Some of the land records are held at Cesky Krumlov.... Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Ullman" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 11:38:16 AM GMT -06:00 Guadalajara / Mexico City / Monterrey Subject: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Petersburg Estate records Karen - As I understand it the records of the former  Petersburg estate are held at the Trebon archive.  Do you know if there are plans to digitize this type of records also? -- A little nonsense now and then, is relished by the wisest men.  - Anonymous German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My families name was Schieberl. Any connection to this name? I've never found anyone who could tell me what Schieberl means. Angie Wright Meyer RN

Karen - As I understand it the records of the former Petersburg estate are held at the Trebon archive. Do you know if there are plans to digitize this type of records also? -- A little nonsense now and then, is relished by the wisest men. - Anonymous

I found a source of out of print books, i.e. books about Sudetengerman villages and towns etc. You can look or inquire at a Düsseldorf bookstore. Their website is here. Contact them if you were unable to fill your request anywhere else. http://www.booklooker.de Aida

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Hello Diane: I am not sure of the website Karen referred to, but it may be this one... http://www.hostau.org/html_en/home.html Good Luck, Mark Prokosch [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Diane LaBouve Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 01:57 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Hostau website Karen, Would you please give us the website? I can't seem to find the link for Hostau in the Bohemian Forest Radbusa district. Thanks, Diane German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Karen, Would you please give us the website? I can't seem to find the link for Hostau in the Bohemian Forest Radbusa district. Thanks, Diane

There is no list of the killed or expelled from Bischofteinitz in any of the books in the GBHS Resource Library that I know of. I would suggest contacting the Bischofteinitz Ortsbetruer at: Bischofteinitz Heidrun Böttinger Rechbergstr. 36 73779 Deizisau Tel.: 07153/23558 E-Mail: [email protected] or the Genealogist at: Alfred Piwonka Königsberger Straße 7a 89287 Bellenberg Tel: 07306/922163 e-Mail: [email protected] Another suggestion would be the Sudetendeutsches-Archive at: www.sudetendeutsches-archiv.de/web/de/index.htm or the Sudetendeutschen Landmannschaft at: www.sudeten.de/cms/ Good luck in your search. Bob Paulson On Nov 10, 2008, at 4:14 PM, Aida Kraus wrote: > I have not come across a "Jahrbuch" for Bischofteinitz, where such > references could be found. But there is a book on "Horsovky Tyn" at > the German Bohemian Heritage library entitled: > * GB.191.Hor **Horsorvsko - Tynsko* > 248 pages in German and Czech > (History and tour guide of the villages in Bischofteinitz) > Although I do not know what this book contains, or if mention of > names have > been made there. I have no idea if it can be either purchased or > loaned. > Another, perhaps better source would be the Bischofteinitz > Administrator in > Bavaria. I am forwarding his address for contact: > Heimatkreis Bischofteinitz e.V., > Heimatkreisbetreuer Peter Pawlik, > Palnkamerstr. 73a, > 83624 Otterfing, Germany > Tel. 0 80 24 / 9 26 46, Fax 0 80 24 / 9 26 48, > E-Mail: [email protected] > Aida > ------------------------------------------- > > --------------------------------------------- > > > > > On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 1:51 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> In a message dated 11/10/2008 1:38:33 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, >> [email protected] writes: >> >> Message: 5 >> >> >> After all the years that have passed and all I witnessed as a >> child, the >> list still recalls and gives me a great deal of anguish and, yes, >> I might >> as >> well admit, a feeling of getting even or at least some sort of >> justice. >> Is >> there a list for those killed in my town of Bischofteinitz? >> Ulrich Rudofsky >> **************AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes >> and all >> other >> Holiday needs. Search Now. >> ( >> http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212792382x1200798498/aol? >> redir=http://searchblog.aol.com/2008/11/04/happy-holidays-from >> -aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear00000001) >> German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/ >> ~gbhs/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/ > ~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMAN- > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In a message dated 11/10/2008 1:38:33 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Message: 5 After all the years that have passed and all I witnessed as a child, the list still recalls and gives me a great deal of anguish and, yes, I might as well admit, a feeling of getting even or at least some sort of justice. Is there a list for those killed in my town of Bischofteinitz? Ulrich Rudofsky **************AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday needs. Search Now. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212792382x1200798498/aol?redir=http://searchblog.aol.com/2008/11/04/happy-holidays-from -aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear00000001)

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There is a excellent website in English (select the option for English on the left if it comes up in any other languatge) fo Hostau in the Bohemian Forest Radbusa district. There is a list of PDFs over 30 Heimat newsletters. Many of the earlier ones were written on a typewriter but they are still legible and they have lists of names associated with the Hostau parish community as well as other data. Later editions of the Heimatbrief seem to concentrate on descriptions of group gatherings and celebrations at Christmas, Easter, etc., without the typical lists of present residences of expellees. For those with an interest in this area one of the best web pages at the site is the one reached by clicking on Directory. Explore all the links to include the PDFs of the newsletter because there are maps, nistory and other important data for that area. There is a particularly good page about the expulsion with maps showing where people went. Karen **************AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday needs. Search Now. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212792382x1200798498/aol?redir=http://searchblog.aol.com/2008/11/04/happy-holidays-from -aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear00000001)

I have not come across a "Jahrbuch" for Bischofteinitz, where such references could be found. But there is a book on "Horsovky Tyn" at the German Bohemian Heritage library entitled: * GB.191.Hor **Horsorvsko - Tynsko* 248 pages in German and Czech (History and tour guide of the villages in Bischofteinitz) Although I do not know what this book contains, or if mention of names have been made there. I have no idea if it can be either purchased or loaned. Another, perhaps better source would be the Bischofteinitz Administrator in Bavaria. I am forwarding his address for contact: Heimatkreis Bischofteinitz e.V., Heimatkreisbetreuer Peter Pawlik, Palnkamerstr. 73a, 83624 Otterfing, Germany Tel. 0 80 24 / 9 26 46, Fax 0 80 24 / 9 26 48, E-Mail: [email protected] Aida ------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------- On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 1:51 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > In a message dated 11/10/2008 1:38:33 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > Message: 5 > > > After all the years that have passed and all I witnessed as a child, the > list still recalls and gives me a great deal of anguish and, yes, I might > as > well admit, a feeling of getting even or at least some sort of justice. > Is > there a list for those killed in my town of Bischofteinitz? > Ulrich Rudofsky > **************AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all > other > Holiday needs. Search Now. > ( > http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212792382x1200798498/aol?redir=http://searchblog.aol.com/2008/11/04/happy-holidays-from > -aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear00000001) > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

FHC indexing continues to move along. The list below shows progress on given records films. The following indexing projects qre underway: Current Projects, Record Language, and Percent Completion Status Alabama - 1920 US Federal Census -- English - 1920 - 85% complete Argentina Censo 1869 - Buenos Aires -- Spanish - 1869 - 76% complete Arkansas Marriages II -- English - 1837-1957 - 10% complete Brandenburg Kirchenbücher -- German - 1789-1875 - 9% complete California - 1920 US Federal Census -- English - 1920 - 32% complete España Lugo Registros Parroquiales -- Spanish - 1530-1930 - 7% complete Florida 1945 Census -- English - 1945 - 30% complete France, Coutances, Paroisses de la Manche -- French - 1792-1906 - 7% complete Guanajuato Censo de Mexico de 1930 -- Spanish - 1930 - 60% complete Guerrero - Censo de Mexico de 1930 -- Spanish - 1930 - 38% complete Illinois - 1920 US Federal Census -- English - 1920 - 16% complete Massachusetts - 1920 US Federal Census -- English - 1920 - 17% complete Missouri - 1870 US Federal Census -- English - 1870 - (New) Morelos - Censo de Mexico de 1930 -- Spanish - 1930 - 78% complete New York - 1870 US Federal Census -- English - 1870 - 88% complete Nicaragua, Managua Civil Records -- Spanish - 1879 - present - 8% complete Tennessee - 1870 US Federal Census -- English - 1870 - (New) Trento Italy Baptism Records -- Italian - 1784-1924 - 7% complete UK - Cheshire - Poor Law -- English - 1848 -1967 - 97% complete Venezuela Mérida Registros Parroquiales -- Spanish - 1654 - 1992 - 0.4% complete **************AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday needs. Search Now. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212792382x1200798498/aol?redir=http://searchblog.aol.com/2008/11/04/happy-holidays-from -aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear00000001)

80 Years of Historical Canadian Directories Online – 5.2 Million Names The following announcement was written by Ancestry.ca: Ancestry.ca launches pre-telephone Canadian City and Area Directories, 1819-1899 (Toronto, ON – October 28th, 2008) In a world-first, Ancestry.ca today launched online the fully indexed Canada City and Area Directories, 1819-1899, which feature the names and addresses of more than 5.2 million people who lived in Canada during the greater part of the 19th Century. In total, 19,764 pages of directory pages were scanned and are now available to search online. A pre-cursor to phone books, these historic directories feature an alphabetical listing of the majority of heads of households in major cities across Canada along with their address and occupation. It also lists businesses, town officers, schools, societies, churches and other public institutions. Aside from finding one’s own ancestors within this collection, enthusiasts will be able to find records of Prime Ministers, politicians, celebrities and other prominent figures from the time, including Sir John A. MacDonald. There is a record of him in a Victoria directory from 1889 driving the last spike in the Canadian Pacific Railroad on Vancouver Island in 1886. Family history enthusiasts can now discover online where their ancestors once lived, who lived in the household with them and what their occupation was. Social history enthusiasts who have already researched the former occupants of their homes can continue exploring the new and fast growing ‘hidden house history’ trend, by learning even more about the previous inhabitants of their homes, when they lived there and what they did. Karen Peterson, Marketing Director, Ancestry.ca, comments: “These records are an important addition to Ancestry’s historical collection as they present comprehensive information about the lives of Canadians during the pre and post Confederation days of the 19th Century. “They provide an invaluable opportunity for family history enthusiasts to discover where their ancestors lived and what they did for a living.” Directories are a helpful tool for family history researchers because they can fill in the gaps between federal or provincial censuses, providing people with much clearer timelines and details about their ancestors and their lives. The collection, which until now was only partially available on microfiche, is now complete and fully indexed online for the first time, making searching simpler and faster. The Canada City and Area Directories, 1819-1899 will be available to Canada and World Deluxe members and through a 14-day free trial. **************AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday needs. Search Now. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212792382x1200798498/aol?redir=http://searchblog.aol.com/2008/11/04/happy-holidays-from -aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear00000001)

I find this link of indispensable value and would like to share it with you. Here you can find all Austrian Hungarian and German cities and villages between 1871-1990. It is in alphabetical order and the region to which this area belonged is also given. The German Bohemian village names will have a notation of "(Sudetenland)" behind their old German names. For those researchers who know the origin of their family, this will be an important tool to locate the region or district and to distinguish if they were in one of the German states, Bohemia, Moravia or Austria. Click on this link and then select the alphabetical letter. There you will get an enormous amount of names. Save this link in your research source file. Aida http://www.verwaltungsgeschichte.de/ortsbuch39.html

In a message dated 11/9/2008 1:50:52 PM Mountain Standard Time, [email protected] writes: - see the German children's song "Ich geh mit meiner Laterne<http://german.about.com/library/blmus_laternegeh.htm>") There aqre some old Christmas cards and postcards in a relatively primitive style that show a village church brightly lit and with holiday evergreens around the door. (After reading about how all the women in the village worked to make fresh garlands, wreaths and nosegays for lavish decorations in the church one knows that inside it must be a wondrous sight.) >From all directions family groups, couples and single people are going to the church, each carrying a lantern to light the way over the snow. I have always thought that picture was one of the most evocative of the old GB Christmas tradition that I have every seen.. I no longer recall where I found it. A schoolgirl once told me that each pupil in the school had a sheep to surround the Christmas Creche. She said that their obedience and studiousness in school allowed their own sheep to approach more closely or at the head of the herd. She said that she just could not seem to please the nuns no matter what she did and her sheep was always one of the farthest back in the herd. She was very frustrated so, one day after class when no one was in the chapel she took all the sheep and put them in a long single line all the way to the back of the church -- with her own at the lead. She said that the next day she was in soooooo much trouble but it was worth it to make her point about using the Christmas Creche as a means for competition among everyone at that little school. Karen **************AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday needs. Search Now. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212792382x1200798498/aol?redir=http://searchblog.aol.com/2008/11/04/happy-holidays-from -aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear00000001)

I found an actual presentation of that song on the internet in German. If you have a window player on your computer you can here it here http://www.read-all-about-it.org/liederschatz/ich_geh_mit_meiner_laterne.html just go all the way down and click on "Melodie"... some of you will remember THIS song your grandma or mother sang at this time of the year. Enjoy! Aida

>From Aida: *Martinstag* (11. November) November 11th is a special day in the U.S., Canada, and German-speaking Europe, but when North Americans are observing Veterans Day/Remembrance Day, most Austrians and German Catholics are celebrating a different kind of holiday. The Feast of Saint Martin, the Germanic *Martinstag* celebration, is more like Halloween and Thanksgiving rolled into one. *Martinstag* or * Martini* commemorates *Sankt Martin* (c. 317-397), Bishop of Tours, one of the most revered European saints. The best-known legend connected with Saint Martin is the dividing of the cloak, when Martin, then a soldier in the Roman army, tore his cloak in two to share it with a freezing beggar at Amiens. In the past, *Martinstag* was celebrated as the end of the harvest season (thanksgiving). For workers and the poor it was a time when they had a chance to enjoy some of the bounty from the nobles. Also, their annual crop shares and victuals were distributed on that day. Today in many parts of Europe the feast is still celebrated by processions of children with candle-lit lanterns (*Martinslaternen* - see the German children's song "Ich geh mit meiner Laterne<http://german.about.com/library/blmus_laternegeh.htm>") and a banquet of roast goose (*die Martinsgans*). In former times, *Martini*was the "official" start of winter and the 40-day Christmas fast. Today *Martinstag* is the unofficial start of the Christmas shopping season in German Europe. The text of the song the Children are singing is on this website in German and English: http://german.about.com/library/blmus_laternegeh.htm