Karen: I notice you lived in Red Wing Minnesota. My mother was born there in 1922, Her parents (Latzels) arrived there in 1912 from Baranya Austria Hungary; after 1st arriving in Milwaukee. Since I have been doing Genealogy I was wondering why did the go there. Was in because of cheap land or did others from Austria come first. Audrey (Friesner) Burger 34920 Pabst Road Oconomowoc, Wi 53066 ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 5:30 PM Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Digest, Vol 4, Issue 120 > > I recall that infant mortality was very high in the first half of the > Nineteenth Century. > Only 50% of babies survived to age 2 and then another 50% died before age > 10. > > > > > > When I was a child in Bischofteinitz in the 1940's it > was very common that poor children at my age died from diphtheria, > scarlet > fever or amoebic dysentery etc. as they did for centuries, and that the > school classes thinned out as time went on. > > > > > > > > As for Impetigo, I had it, too, when I was a child. I lived in Red Wing, > Minnesota, > > and I don't know how I caught it along with my sister . I don't recall > > that it was very serious. We each had an infected underarm "rash" that my > very-vigilant mother > > thought needed a doctor's attention right away. Neither one of us got very > sick > > but we could not go to school while we had the rash. Mom must have gone > through > a gallon of Lysol to disinfect the household. > > There was a terrible epidemic of Diptheria that is described in the > history of > St. George Church in West Newton Twp. , Minnesota. The public health > nurse visited rural familes to swab the throats of children in each house. > But she > did not use a new swab for each child and she tragically spread the > disease > from child to child. The church history tells of some mothers who refused > her "help" and how their children remained uninfected. > > There are sections of some cemeteries dedicated to infants=2 > 0and small children who > died of diptheria during the early 1890s. They are buried alone because > their families did not yet have > gravesites or were too poor to buy a family site at the time. Some of the > small markers say only that > ít is an infant boy or girl. > > Karen > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Sent: Thu, Jul 30, 2009 4:00 pm > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Digest, Vol 4, Issue 120 > > > > > > > > > > > The infectious diseases such tuberculosis, diptheria and many enteric > diseases such Salmonella typhi etc. ran rampant in the poor districts of > Bohemia even in the 1900's. Legend has it that my grandfather > "Kaiserlicher > Obersantätsrat" Dr. med. Franz Rudofsky had tents put up to isolate the > pathogen carriers and mobilized the local Austrian Army to control some > of the > epidemics. Our family legend also says that he insisted that each poor > and > undernourished Böhmerwald family also receive one milking goat from the > government. Just like swine flu, the already compromised and weakened > persons > succumbed readily. When I was a child in Bischofteinitz in the 1940's it > was very common that poor children at my age died from diphtheria, > scarlet > fever or amoebic dysentery etc. as they did for centuries, and that the > school classes thinned out as time went on. The hordes of people fleeing > from the Russians brought impetigo with them. I also got > it. Antibiotic had > not been discovered yet. We had dozens of people living in our houses and > garages etc., all sick or near death. Except for the very few well-to-do > families these diseases decimated whole families for centuries. It was a > way of life. My grandfather, father, and several of my uncles did all > they > could to slow these epidemics down, but it seems that most of the time it > was out of their control in constant famine and war. > **************Hot Deals at Dell on Popular Laptops perfect for Back to > School > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1223105306x1201716871/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Faltfarm.mediaplex.com%2Fad%2Fck%2F12309%2D81939%2D1629%2D9) > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > the message > > > > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

http://www.deathindexes.com/ > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 16:26:16 -0500 > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Michigan death records on line > > anything like this for Wisconsin? > > Randy > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 11:18 AM > Subject: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Michigan death records on line > > > > http://seekingmichigan.org/discover-collection?collection=p129401coll7 > > > > Use the URL above to reach the search index page for Michigan > > death records.??? Enter a surname and view the original document. > > > > Karen > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

anything like this for Wisconsin? Randy ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 11:18 AM Subject: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Michigan death records on line > http://seekingmichigan.org/discover-collection?collection=p129401coll7 > > Use the URL above to reach the search index page for Michigan > death records.??? Enter a surname and view the original document. > > Karen > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Has anyone alerted this list to Missouri Secretary of State, "Missouri Birth & Death Records Databse," online? http://www.sos.mo.gov/archives/resources/birthdeath LaVerne, Researching Pietschman --- On Tue, 8/4/09, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: From: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Michigan death records on line To: [email protected] Date: Tuesday, August 4, 2009, 11:18 AM http://seekingmichigan.org/discover-collection?collection=p129401coll7 Use the URL above to reach the search index page for Michigan death records.??? Enter a surname and view the original document. Karen German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The Year 1909 Ah, the good old days. Life was simpler and... The year is 1909, one hundred years ago. Here are some statistics for the year 1909 (from an anonymous author) : The average life expectancy was??47?years. Only 14 percent of the homes had a bathtub. Only 8 percent of the homes had a telephone. There were only 8,000 cars and only 144 miles of paved roads. The maximum speed limit in most cities was 10 mph. The tallest structure in the world was the??Eiffel?Tower. The average wage in 1909 was 22?cents per hour. The average worker made between $200 and $400 per year. A competent accountant could expect to earn $2000 per year, a dentist earned $2,500 per year, a veterinarian between $1,500 and $4,000 per year, and a mechanical engineer about $5,000 per year. More than 95 percent of all births took place at?HOME. Ninety percent of all doctors had?NO COLLEGE EDUCATION! Instead, they attended so-called medical schools, many of which were condemned in the press?AND?the government as 'substandard.' Sugar cost?four?cents a pound. Eggs were?fourteen?cents a dozen. Coffee was?fifteen cents a pound. Most women only washed their hair?once?a month, and used Borax or egg yolks for shampoo. Canada?passed a law that prohibited poor people from entering the country for any reason. Five leading causes of death were: 1. Pneumonia and influenza? 2. Tuberculosis? 3. Diarrhea? 4. Heart disease? 5. Stroke The American flag had 45 stars. The population of?Las Vegas,?Nevada,?was only 30! Crossword puzzles, canned beer, and ice tea hadn't been invented yet. There was no Mother's Day or?Father's Day. Two out of every 10 adults couldn't read or write. Only 6 percent of all Americans had graduated from high school. Marijuana, heroin, and morphine were all available over the counter at the local corner drugstores. Back then pharmacists said,?'Heroin clears the complexion, gives buoyancy to the mind, regulates the stomach and bowels, and is, in fact, a perfect guardian of health' Eighteen percent of households had at least one full-time servant or domestic help. There were about 230 reported murders in the?ENTIRE U.S. (I suspect there were more but many were never reported to any national data collection organization)

Anyone interested may go to this English language website on Bohemian Railroads: http://vcpd.cvut.cz/UserFiles/File/vcpd-poster2004-4.pdf Here is an excerpt. ( It is in pdf and you can enlarge the article.) "Czech Republic ( from Aida: well there was no Czech Republic when the railroad was built by Austria Hungary) had a rich tradition in railroad transportation. In this territory of the Austrian Hungarian Empire was the first horse-powered railway on the European continent, the first steam powered train (between Wien-Breclav-Brno) was built in 1839. Since then our country developed one of the most extended railway systems in Europe and world wide. In our regions there were many factories processing high progressive railway technolgy. This industrial and railway heritage is today in regrettable state." You can enlarge this article to read it in more detail in English text. I remember that our Karlsbad to Aussig Railroad was built by the Bustehrader Railroad manufacturing company and you could probably use that name in your browser.... Aida

Hello, everyone! At long last, I'm back online! Merry Christmas and Happy New Year! I look forward to our many fun discussions! Becky

I also like geneanet as you can register the surnames you are researching and when someone else posts information with that surname you will be notified. Judy in Michigan Researching Praschinger, Heckenberger, Riesler & Pfaff -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Allen James Krueger Sent: Friday, December 26, 2008 9:51 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] best web site/researching the same lines? I don't know if there is one best web site, but the following is a european web site: http://geneanet.org/ German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I don't know if there is one best web site, but the following is a european web site: http://geneanet.org/

To all What site would be best to locate family members who you do not know about but are researching the same lines? I have family from Germany, Bohemia and Ireland and would like the best way to post so if any distant relatives are doing the same lines could contact me. Claudia DOWD Sperl Pittsburgh PA USA **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025)

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Hi Thom To help us search could you give us your relatives birth dates and death dates and place of birth and death if you know them, where they lived? Could you also give Johanna's maiden name if you know it? Also give your grandfather's info on your grandfather, like who he married and where he lived and names of children. That way when we search we will know that we have the correct family. There are lots of Johanna Hammer's out there. What was her husbands name? see ya allen ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 2:00 AM Subject: GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Digest, Vol 3, Issue 277 > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Ships from Hamburg 1870 ([email protected]) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 18:48:23 -0600 > From: <[email protected]> > Subject: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Ships from Hamburg 1870 > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Dear Listers; > My one last hope of finding my GGrandmother who I know came to the U.S. in > 1870 with my Grandfather. Her name was Johanna Hammer, and my grandfathers > name was Adolph or Ottie. She may have come in with her family but I can > find no trace of them. I feel they must have come into N.Y.. Can anyone > give me even a tip as to where else I might search. At 72 i'm running out > of time. > Thanks, > Thom Sutton email [email protected] > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the GERMAN-BOHEMIAN list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the GERMAN-BOHEMIAN mailing list, send an email to > [email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Digest, Vol 3, Issue 277 > *********************************************** -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.19/1854 - Release Date: 12/17/2008 7:21 PM

I could not find Johanna but I believe i may have found Adolph in 1870. I will send the image as an attachment. His name appears on p 7 line 21 of the ship manifest. Does this look like him? I have heard that sometimes only the heads of household were listed and that may explain why her name is not there but looking at the other names on p 7 it appears there was an effort to list all the names. Could it be that he immigrated in 1870 and she came later after he had a job and place to live? There is a Johanna Hammer in 1872 but listed as male, a taylor. I will send that too. I imagine many mistakes were made. One of my ancestors from Bohemia immigrated when she was 7 years old. Her name was Sophia Josepha Mattausch but she was listed as Joseph Mattausch and listed as a male. I know it was her because the age was correct and the rest of the family were listed there with her. Name: Adolf Hammer Arrival Date: 27 Aug 1870 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848 Age: 22 Gender: Male Port of Departure: Liverpool, England Destination: United States of America Place of Origin: Germany Ethnicity/Race- /Nationality: German Ship Name: Batavia of Glasgow Port of Arrival: New York Line: 21 Microfilm Serial: M237 Microfilm Roll: M237_333 List Number: 824 Port Arrival State: New York Port Arrival Country: United States Name: Johanna Hammer Arrival Date: 20 Jul 1872 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848 Age: 24 Gender: Male Port of Departure: Bremen, Germany Place of Origin: Germany Ethnicity/Race- /Nationality: German Ship Name: Weser Port of Arrival: New York Line: 48 Microfilm Serial: M237 Microfilm Roll: M237_362 List Number: 766 Port Arrival State: New York Port Arrival Country: United States On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 7:48 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > Dear Listers; > My one last hope of finding my GGrandmother who I know came to the U.S. in 1870 with my Grandfather. Her name was Johanna Hammer, and my grandfathers name was Adolph or Ottie. She may have come in with her family but I can find no trace of them. I feel they must have come into N.Y.. Can anyone give me even a tip as to where else I might search. At 72 i'm running out of time. > Thanks, > Thom Sutton email [email protected] > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Help others find their relatives, post your family tree at these web sites: 1. http://www.myheritage.com MyHeritage focuses on genealogy community building and networking. 2. http://www.geneanet.org/ A collection of family trees, community, and submitted records. 3. http://www.ancestry.com/search/ Ancestry.com is the leading genealogical data site, with some articles, instruction, and reference help 4. http://familysearch.org/ This is a major data website sponsored by the LDS Church and includes with instruction and reference help. 5. http://www.tribalpages.com/ Family trees hosting and charting program. 6. http://www.familyhistorylink.com/ 7. http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ Rootsweb is a major data site, with free instruction and reference help. 8. http://www.genealogy.com/index_r.html This is major data site, with instruction and reference help. 9. http://www.onegreatfamily.com/Home.aspx This is primarily a family trees sharing and collaboration website. 10. http://www.geni.com/ Web 2.0 and focuses on genealogy community building and networking. 11. http://www.kindredkonnections.com/ Grassroots created data site with compiled family Trees, and some extracted records. 12. http://www.saxonyroots.com/ 13. http://www.gencircles.com/ 14. http://www.familysearchindexing.org/en/home/home.jsf?pname=homeTab Volunteers extract family history information from digital images of historical documents to create searchable indexes that assist everyone in finding their ancestors. 15. http://www.webgenealogie.de/ 16. AncientFaces.com - Share genealogy research, community pages, family photos & records more for free.

I find the GENI site most adaptable and accessible to all our family members. Everyone can work at their own pace, entering data on this site, as they become available. The newly entered data is visible to all family members and updated by GENI with every new entry. We are adding scans of documents, photos and events to share. There are also birthday and anniversary reminders. Right now there are 2000 ancestors on the Kraus-Baumbusch family tree from over several countries and continents. It is THE BEST and you do not need a personal Website. The access is worldwide, easy and for family members only. Aida http://www.geni.com/ Web 2.0 and focuses on genealogy community building and networking. On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 7:17 AM, Allen James Krueger < [email protected]> wrote: > Hello > Help others find their relatives, post your family tree at these web > sites: > > 1. http://www.myheritage.com MyHeritage focuses on genealogy community > building and networking. > 2. http://www.geneanet.org/ A collection of family trees, community, > and submitted records. > 3. http://www.ancestry.com/search/ Ancestry.com is the leading > genealogical data site, with some articles, instruction, and reference help > 4. http://familysearch.org/ This is a major data website sponsored by > the LDS Church and includes with instruction and reference help. > 5. http://www.tribalpages.com/ Family trees hosting and charting > program. > 6. http://www.familyhistorylink.com/ > 7. http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ Rootsweb is a major data site, > with free instruction and reference help. > 8. http://www.genealogy.com/index_r.html This is major data site, with > instruction and reference help. > 9. http://www.onegreatfamily.com/Home.aspx This is primarily a family > trees sharing and collaboration website. > 10. http://www.geni.com/ Web 2.0 and focuses on genealogy community > building and networking. > 11. http://www.kindredkonnections.com/ Grassroots created data site > with compiled family Trees, and some extracted records. > 12. http://www.saxonyroots.com/ > 13. http://www.gencircles.com/ > 14. http://www.familysearchindexing.org/en/home/home.jsf?pname=homeTab Volunteers extract family history information from digital images of > historical documents to create searchable indexes that assist everyone in > finding their ancestors. > 15. http://www.webgenealogie.de/ > 16. AncientFaces.com - Share genealogy research, community pages, family > photos & records more for free. > > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Is a manifest different from that which Ancesty.com has listed? All I see are names and dates. The ship's name too. My grandmother. Anna Holy http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&rank=0&db=nypl%2c&=%2c%2c %2c%2c%2c%2c%2c%2c%2c%2c%2c%2c%2c%2c%2c%2c%2c%2c%2c&gsfn=Anna&gsln=Holy&sx=& gs1co=1%2cAll+Countries&gs1pl=1%2c+&year=&yearend=&sbo=0&sbor=&ufr=0&wp=4%3b _80000002%3b_80000003&srchb=r&prox=1&ti=0&ti.si=0&gss=angs-d&pcat=40&fh=20&h =12478740&recoff=1+2 http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&rank=0&db=nypl%2c&=%2c%2c %2c%2c%2c%2c%2c%2c%2c%2c%2c%2c%2c%2c%2c%2c%2c%2c%2c&gsfn=Anna&gsln=Holy&sx=& gs1co=1%2cAll+Countries&gs1pl=1%2c+&year=&yearend=&sbo=0&sbor=&ufr=0&wp=4%3b _80000002%3b_80000003&srchb=r&prox=1&ti=0&ti.si=0&gss=angs-d&pcat=40&fh=20&h =12478740&recoff=1+2 Lisa -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Susan Williams Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 7:40 PM To: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Re: [AUSTRIA] [Bohemia] Ship to Canada 1859 Lisa -- Manifests differ ... some show place of origin and some don't -- unfortunately most don't or give something broad like Austria or Germany or Bohemia. If you know the date of arrival and/or the ship you might be able to search on Missing Manifests at www.stevemorse.org This would work best if you know both ... it does involve lots of reading but you could find something. Have you not been able to find them using the surname...because that is the fastest. Susan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lisa Perry" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 12:58 PM Subject: Re: [Bohemia] [AUSTRIA] Ship to Canada 1859 > That is a wonderful tip. > Is there any way from looking at the manifest to tell where or what > village > they came from? I know when they arrived and what ship but don't know how > to proceed to find any further information. > Thanks, > > Lisa > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On > Behalf Of Olive Tree Genealogy > Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 7:32 AM > To: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; > [email protected]; [email protected] > Subject: Re: [AUSTRIA] Ship to Canada 1859 > > Hello Tony > > You have done a great job of writing up your research and > asking for help. > > I think I have found your Adalbert on the ships list > "Republic" arriving NY 7 Nov. 1859 from Bremen. His origin > is given as Bohemia, Czechoslovakia and he is 51 years old. > > I'm familiar with the NY lists and they are very difficult > to read sometimes. Some passengers have no first name in > the index. Some have only an initial. > > I found him by searching without any names at all and only > using his date of birth (which was the only thing missing > from your excellent query below) and his year of arrival. > > He is misindexed on Ancestry as "Balbert Kar" Had you > searched with wildcards on surname for "kar*" and no first > name, he should have shown up. But sometimes the Ancestry > search glitches and a result will not appear one time, but > will appear the next! > > In any case, with "Balbert" are the following individuals > > Adalbert b ca 1852 > Catharine b ca 1818 > Johann b ca 1842 > Joseph b ca 1849 > Rosalia b ca 1840 > > Enjoy :-) > Lorine of OliveTreeGenealogy.com > > > > On 12 Dec 2008 at 22:30, [email protected] wrote: > >> Hello listers! Sorry for the length of this post, but after >> exhausting every source I can think of, this is my last >> chance. >> >> I am searching the ship on which my ancestors arrived in the >> New World. I believe my GGG grandfather ADALBERT KARL, >> spouse KATHARINA MULTRUS and their four children ROSA, JOHN, >> JOSEPH, and ALBERT from HRADZEN, BOHEMIA, AUSTRIA near >> PILSEN departed BREMEN in 1859. They do not show up in any >> incoming passenger lists in America. To no avail I have >> searched the Steve Morse site using the following wildcards: >> ada* ade* cat* kat* ros* joh* jos* alb* and surname kar* >> car* har* and ear*. This leads me to believe they did not >> enter through the U.S. >> >> The reason I believe they departed Bremen is because in >> the1860 U.S. Census from Allegany, NY they indicate they >> were from Bremen, Germany. However in every future census, >> they correctly state they are from Austria. In Adalbert's >> obituary from 1903 it states that he and his family of four >> mistakenly went to DAYTON, OHIO instead of DAYTONS SUMMIT, >> NEW YORK. >> >> Here is a summary of the records I have searched to date: >> >> a) Every U.S. arrival site - including the Steve Morse site >> - for every combination I can think of. b) All of the >> websites of pre-1865 passsenger lists for Canadian Arrivals >> on the Olive Tree Genealogy site. c) The "Germans To >> America" Series. d) "German Immigrants: Lists of Passengers >> Bound from Bremen to New York, 1855-1862" e) The Leo Baca >> Book "Czech Immigration Passenger Lists, Volumes 1-9 " f) I >> have requested citizenship records of Adalbert Karl in the >> hope that they would reveal the date and place of entry into >> the U.S. but Immigration wrote me that there is no record. >> He was naturalized in 1866 according to the local county >> records, but these shed no light on his date or mode of >> entry to the U.S.. g) I have written to the Ship List and >> other genealogy listservs in the hope of finding a morsel of >> information that I could follow up on. I posted on the >> Ancestry.com message boards and received a response from a >> gentleman apparently writing from the Czech Republic who >> informed me, I quote: >> >> "Accordings to the proceeding protocoll of Regional >> Office of Plzen asked on 1859 Adalbert Karl from Hradzen >> (Hradec u Stoda) for issuing of emigrant >> passport to USA.There is possible to see the proces of >> issuing of passport sep by step there. Adalbert can be >> recorded as Bohemian in the books of Leo Baca >> (Bohemian passanger lists). Look for them in some big >> library. The registers of Hradzen are in the archive in >> Plzen. You can search yourself ther or you can hire >> some of Czech researcher." >> >> While promising, my replies to this post requesting further >> information have never been answered. I am willing to accept >> that the absence of data means that my ancestors must have >> entered through Canada on some impossible-to-trace ship. But >> I must at least ask the question if there are any stones I >> have left unturned. >> >> My questions are this: what would be the typical route for a >> family from Austria, departing Bremen for America in 1859? >> Assuming they departed Bremen, would they have stopped in >> the British Isles? And would there be a record of this >> arrival or departure? And then, would they typically have >> arrived at Quebec if they were bound for Dayton? Once at >> Quebec, would their voyage to the wrong Dayton be via the >> U.S. or Canada? >> >> Thank you very much for any insight you can provide, >> Tony Buccella > > > -- Lorine McGinnis Schulze > > * Olive Tree Genealogy (Ships Passenger Lists) > http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ > * Naturalization Records > http://naturalizationrecords.com/ > * Images of Ships Lists > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ote/ships/ > > [email protected] or [email protected] > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Listers; My one last hope of finding my GGrandmother who I know came to the U.S. in 1870 with my Grandfather. Her name was Johanna Hammer, and my grandfathers name was Adolph or Ottie. She may have come in with her family but I can find no trace of them. I feel they must have come into N.Y.. Can anyone give me even a tip as to where else I might search. At 72 i'm running out of time. Thanks, Thom Sutton email [email protected]

Ja "Üb immer Treu und Redlichkeit" das haben wir immer zuhause gesungen. Aber soviele Strophen ? -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Aida Kraus Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 1:41 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] German song 1775 One song which all our ancestors have known was composed by Mozart. The text ist from 1775 and I am sure that looking back to your family during the holidays, you will find this familiar. Happy Advent's time..... For the song composed by Mozart, click here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMfwaT1X3oc text and sheet music here: http://www.lieder-archiv.de/lieder/show_song.php?ix=300479 from Aida German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.18/1848 - Release Date: 12/14/2008 12:28 PM

Some private mail in German got on the list between Frank and myself. Sorry! Aida

Wir haben nur 2 STrophen gesungen. LOL Aida On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 9:29 PM, Frank Soural <[email protected]> wrote: > Ja "Üb immer Treu und Redlichkeit" das haben wir immer zuhause gesungen. > Aber soviele Strophen ? > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Aida Kraus > Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 1:41 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] German song 1775 > > One song which all our ancestors have known was composed by Mozart. The > text > ist from 1775 and I am sure that looking back to your family during the > holidays, you will find this familiar. > Happy Advent's time..... > For the song composed by Mozart, click here: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMfwaT1X3oc > text and sheet music here: > http://www.lieder-archiv.de/lieder/show_song.php?ix=300479 > from Aida > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.18/1848 - Release Date: 12/14/2008 > 12:28 PM > > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >