See that your computer supports one of these requirements, meaning that you need at least Microsoft Explorer 6: (a vyšší) means (and higher) *ash player 9* (a vyšší) povolený javascript povolené cookies Microsoft Internet Explorer 6 (a vyšší) Firefox 3 <http://firefox.czilla.cz/> (a vyšší) Opera 8 <http://www.operacesky.net/> (a vyšší) When you see the word "Hledat" that means "search" put in the Czech name of the village you are researching. I have not had the time to go into it very deeply, because I am ready to leave here to visit with my family next week. You may also want to click on the subject listed on the right side of their homepage and watch for names you can recognize. Then use the "Hledat" search button. Aida On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 9:28 AM, Der Ortsbetreuer der Heimatstadt Hostau, Stefan Stippler <[email protected]> wrote: > Folks, > I went to the archives's page. But I only found one "ocres" (county) listed > there, not Domazlice what I was looking for. Did I do something wrong? > > Stefan > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] Im Auftrag von Aida Kraus > Gesendet: Freitag, 8. Januar 2010 16:26 > An: german-bohemian > Betreff: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Registration to Pilsen Archives > > To flag this registration link, I have given it a different subject name. > In order to access the archives you must register here, the required input > is identified in English > http://www.actapublica.cz/registrace > Aida > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

How do I login to the Archives website after I have registered? --- On Fri, 1/8/10, Aida Kraus <[email protected]> wrote: From: Aida Kraus <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Registration to Pilsen Archives To: [email protected] Date: Friday, January 8, 2010, 10:48 AM Any Passport or Driver's license number will do. Aida On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 7:44 AM, Rip <[email protected]> wrote: > Aida, any idea what Doc No they want, can't register without it. > > Thanks > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Aida Kraus > Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 7:26 AM > To: german-bohemian > Subject: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Registration to Pilsen Archives > > To flag this registration link, I have given it a different subject name. > In order to access the archives you must register here, the required input > is identified in English > http://www.actapublica.cz/registrace > Aida > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Any Passport or Driver's license number will do. Aida On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 7:44 AM, Rip <[email protected]> wrote: > Aida, any idea what Doc No they want, can't register without it. > > Thanks > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Aida Kraus > Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 7:26 AM > To: german-bohemian > Subject: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Registration to Pilsen Archives > > To flag this registration link, I have given it a different subject name. > In order to access the archives you must register here, the required input > is identified in English > http://www.actapublica.cz/registrace > Aida > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Aida, any idea what Doc No they want, can't register without it. Thanks -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Aida Kraus Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 7:26 AM To: german-bohemian Subject: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Registration to Pilsen Archives To flag this registration link, I have given it a different subject name. In order to access the archives you must register here, the required input is identified in English http://www.actapublica.cz/registrace Aida German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

To flag this registration link, I have given it a different subject name. In order to access the archives you must register here, the required input is identified in English http://www.actapublica.cz/registrace Aida

Essentially they are giving the link and are requesting our input of how well we can handle their data. They obviously want and truly deserve a pat on the back. Here is the welcoming statement by the Regional Archives at Pilsen and below are commendations. I do not have time to go into the records at present, but will post my comments on their site in English when I do. Anyone who wishes to use the data must register which is a little difficult for us, because everything is in Czech, not English. I will look closer to see if there is a text translation to English somewhere, because this is now the EU international language and should be accessible in English. That is a comment I could make to the site. For registration use: http://www.actapublica.cz/registrace Most of it can be "made out" without translation, but if you need to understand more text, then translate whatever you need with this tool which is not too difficult if you set your mind to that of a "researcher" which you are when doing genealogy. In other words, you are not paying for this, you are using your time, you enjoy searching and you hate "canned, ready made information".... here is a challenge for you to "do it yourself" http://www.google.com/language_tools?hl=en Aida Translation of the welcoming statement: Submitted by admin (not verified) on Wed, 30/09/2009 - 19:03 Welcome to the new website of the State Regional Archives in Pilsen. Compared to last year's web site we have made some changes in appearance with some revision to navigation, but retained all the essential information. In addition, you can look forward to the list of archival materials, which will gradually expand their digital format. Within the project Acta Publica we are preparing detailed information on our registers, including images. Your comments and suggestions on this web presentation may be sent to e - [email protected] mail. Add comment Criticism and praise ....... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 4:47 AM, Dr. Jack Schaffer <[email protected] > wrote: > > Here is the most recent message someone wrote into the other listserv I am > on. It says that within a few days more data will be downloaded. There are > two sites to log into. I am at a meeting and don't have time to do anything > with this right now. Perhaps Aida can try and provide additional > information about how to navigate the site. In the German listserv > questions have been posed about how to do that and no one has responded with > how to translate the Czech. Happy hunting, for you A-H's! > > Jack Schaffer > > > > Liebe Kolleginnen und Kollegen, > > ein Admin des Archivs schreibt am 5.1.2010, dass sie davon ausgehen, dass > in wenigen Tagen neue Daten eingespeist werden: > > http://www.soaplzen.cz/node/132#comments > > http://www.actapublica.cz/ > > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Here is the most recent message someone wrote into the other listserv I am on. It says that within a few days more data will be downloaded. There are two sites to log into. I am at a meeting and don't have time to do anything with this right now. Perhaps Aida can try and provide additional information about how to navigate the site. In the German listserv questions have been posed about how to do that and no one has responded with how to translate the Czech. Happy hunting, for you A-H's! Jack Schaffer Liebe Kolleginnen und Kollegen, ein Admin des Archivs schreibt am 5.1.2010, dass sie davon ausgehen, dass in wenigen Tagen neue Daten eingespeist werden: http://www.soaplzen.cz/node/132#comments http://www.actapublica.cz/

Karen: I can't thank you enough for the info you sent me. I will check it all out and see what turns up. I really do appreciate it. I have been trying to track down these family members for about 8 years and this is the best leads I've had so far on them. Bill Forshay - San Antonio, TX ________________________________ From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wed, January 6, 2010 11:12:20 PM Subject: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Unterhutten Bill, A place named Unterhutten was part of the Waier Parish in the Bohemian Forest. It is in Bischofteinitz County (Bezirk) and if you look at the Bishofteinitz website mentioned in the last line below you should find more information. The Kirchenbuchverzeichnis are parish books that are in Czech archives. Some of them have been copied by members of the Bishofteinitz research teams. There should be a link to Kontact or Contact at the website if you don''t speak German. Also at the bottom of the home page you should find an Email for the webmaster. If it is still Alfred Piwonka he can read English but you may have better luck if you tell him you read German but you don't write it. Sometimes if a German can write in German you will get a better and quicker reply. Copy anything you get to the list and someone will help you read it. Waier Parish history is a small book held by the GBHS library in New Ulm MN. It includes info about Unterhutten. Parts of a translation were published in old versions (since 1997, I believe) of the GBHS Heimatbrief. The translations may be found in the Heimatbrief archive on line at the GBHS website. A place name with the word Hut or Hutten in it was a glassworks. They might have made mirrors, windowpanes, cathedral glass or ornamental household pieces among other choices. Glassworks required a LOT of firewood or coal and many first started in heavily forested areas that were being cleared for farming. The name Paa was one that I recall as being associated with the Waier Parish. Karen Waier, č. Rybník Gemeinde, _Bez. Bischofteinitz_ (http://www.genealogienetz.de/reg/SUD/kreise.html#wbbisch) , GBez. Ronsperg, W B; mit Bernstein 533 Ew. (524d.); l.P. Schwarzach, n.E. Ronsperg. _Kirchenbuchverzeichnis des Pfarrbezirks Waier_ (http://www.genealogienetz.de/reg/SUD/kb/waier.html) , mit Ortschaften: Waier, Oberhütten (ab 1875 auch Paadorf), Unterhütten, Dianahof, Goldbrünnerhütte, Schwarzach, Schnaggenmühl, Friedrichshof, Bernstein, Neid. Literatur: Pfarrgemeinde Waier. Hrsg.: St. Anna-Verein. Oberviechtach 1978: Druckerei Forstner, 104 Seiten, Abb., Karte. Siehe auch: _Heimatkreises Bischofteinitz_ (http://www.bischofteinitz.de/) (http://www.bischofteinitz.de) In a message dated 1/5/2010 2:43:44 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: I think my wife's family came from Unterhutten. At least there are family names there (Fleischman, Paa, & Wild). I know the village is no longer there, it was bulldozed down, but I could not find it on your map. Could you tell me where it is located? Bill Forshay - San Antonio, TX German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Bill, A place named Unterhutten was part of the Waier Parish in the Bohemian Forest. It is in Bischofteinitz County (Bezirk) and if you look at the Bishofteinitz website mentioned in the last line below you should find more information. The Kirchenbuchverzeichnis are parish books that are in Czech archives. Some of them have been copied by members of the Bishofteinitz research teams. There should be a link to Kontact or Contact at the website if you don''t speak German. Also at the bottom of the home page you should find an Email for the webmaster. If it is still Alfred Piwonka he can read English but you may have better luck if you tell him you read German but you don't write it. Sometimes if a German can write in German you will get a better and quicker reply. Copy anything you get to the list and someone will help you read it. Waier Parish history is a small book held by the GBHS library in New Ulm MN. It includes info about Unterhutten. Parts of a translation were published in old versions (since 1997, I believe) of the GBHS Heimatbrief. The translations may be found in the Heimatbrief archive on line at the GBHS website. A place name with the word Hut or Hutten in it was a glassworks. They might have made mirrors, windowpanes, cathedral glass or ornamental household pieces among other choices. Glassworks required a LOT of firewood or coal and many first started in heavily forested areas that were being cleared for farming. The name Paa was one that I recall as being associated with the Waier Parish. Karen Waier, č. Rybník Gemeinde, _Bez. Bischofteinitz_ (http://www.genealogienetz.de/reg/SUD/kreise.html#wbbisch) , GBez. Ronsperg, W B; mit Bernstein 533 Ew. (524d.); l.P. Schwarzach, n.E. Ronsperg. _Kirchenbuchverzeichnis des Pfarrbezirks Waier_ (http://www.genealogienetz.de/reg/SUD/kb/waier.html) , mit Ortschaften: Waier, Oberhütten (ab 1875 auch Paadorf), Unterhütten, Dianahof, Goldbrünnerhütte, Schwarzach, Schnaggenmühl, Friedrichshof, Bernstein, Neid. Literatur: Pfarrgemeinde Waier. Hrsg.: St. Anna-Verein. Oberviechtach 1978: Druckerei Forstner, 104 Seiten, Abb., Karte. Siehe auch: _Heimatkreises Bischofteinitz_ (http://www.bischofteinitz.de/) (http://www.bischofteinitz.de) In a message dated 1/5/2010 2:43:44 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: I think my wife's family came from Unterhutten. At least there are family names there (Fleischman, Paa, & Wild). I know the village is no longer there, it was bulldozed down, but I could not find it on your map. Could you tell me where it is located? Bill Forshay - San Antonio, TX

Aida, I find Shtetlseeker's latitude and longitude most useful with the maps at: _http://lazarus.elte.hu/hun/digkonyv/topo/3felmeres.htm_ (http://lazarus.elte.hu/hun/digkonyv/topo/3felmeres.htm) Those 1880 maps are very high resolution -- showing buildings and footpaths and they give all the German placenames with Czech or names in other languages like Polish, Ukraine, Hungarian, Italian, etc. where they apply in parehtheses below the German name. If there is no German name, only the other language name appears. I find the Mapy.CZ website very difficult to use. Although I like the historiky maps very much I have been disappointed in the amount of zoom I could get on them when I found one of interest. When I search on Slavice I get a number of hits and just because I can guess that Okres Tachov is the location of the one I want I got lucky. Before that I clicked on the top one in the list to the left of the map display and got Slavic somewhere in the south near the Italian border. After then, that darn historiky map popped up every time I tried a new search with Slavice. It only went away after I restarted my PC. When I tried Beneschau I came up with a number of hits that were identified in Czech by the Obec in which they belonged and I could not connect my Beneschau with Obec Urad. I had to go to Shtetlseeker to learn the Czech name of the place today (Benesovice) and then search with that to find out that the one in Obec Urad was the right one!!! When I searched Mapy.CZ with Benesovice I got the place in a map but it did not give the German name along with the Czech one. I have Ewald Keil's CD with the searchable Sudetenlan Lexicon that gives all the info one would want about any place at all but one would have to search for each place and copy the data to Notepad in order to save it to a new file on a PC (to make it easier to retrieve). I guess it really is not possible to teach and old dog like me new tricks so I just use my old faithful 1880 map sites with Shtetlseeker which gives me the coordinates to apply there. I think you have given instructions how to use that Mapy.CZ site in the past. There are probably a lot of newbies on the list from time to time -- newbies who could not dig through all the archived Emails because there are just too many and they are indexed only by year. So if you have your own copy of your instructions to use the Mapy.CZ website I (for one) would really appreciate it if you would post them to the list at least one more time. I got a new PC system with Windows 7 for Christmas and I am supposed to be able to still use my old HD which was reinstalled behind the new one. But when I try it causes a system crash so I cannoit access any of my old files except the ones I happened to save on an external HD. Haven't had a chance to sort all of that out as yet. The new system has an HD with a Terabyte of space!!! I wonder if I will live long enough to fill 1/4 of it!!! Karen

Sorry, some spark ripped this out of my mailbox before I was finished, here it goes again: 1. THIS IS WHEN YOU USE STETTLS SEEKER - nothing bether than that, it will give you all the places and GPS for all the same names. The link to this one is http://www.jewishgen.org/Communities/ <http://www.jewishgen.org/Communities/> 2. WHEN I KNOW THE NAME AND THE APPROXIMATE AREA OK here goes the instruction for using www.mapy.cz Get on the mapy site and put in the Czech name, it will not use the German name! Then the Czech map will come up with a thumbtack on the area. Click on it and it will enlarge. Go up to where you can see the word "Dalsi" - click on it Under Dalsi a menu will come down where it says "Historicka" click on it and there you will find the old German map with German names for the Czech names. Someone has typed in Czech names on this old German map for better navigation (for those you only know the Czech name) 3. Then USE THE AUSTRIAN HUNGARIAN MILITARY MAPS Bring back the Czech mapy to the original size and study the location. And then you go to the Austrian Hungarian Military maps for details at this site: http://lazarus.elte.hu/hun/digkonyv/topo/3felmeres.htm Aida

Yaix, Karen, you have a Tiger by the tail... and I know how frustrating this can be. Haven't we been all there one way or another, but these crashes should not happen!! Like you I am using the Hungarian military maps for ages. Since they are for the entire Austrian Hungarian Empire and way way out of their borders, their application is absolutely necessary to all of us. You can see practically every house on it. I copy them to Paint and then use the snipping tool when I have zoomed in on the area I need. BUT... lets say you have no idea where the place is, you have just a vague name 1. THIS IS WHEN YOU USE STETTLS SEEKER - nothing bether than that, it will give you all the places and GPS for all the same names. The link to this one is http://www.jewishgen.org/Communities/ <http://www.jewishgen.org/Communities/> 2. WHEN I KNOW THE NAME AND THE APPROXIMATE AREA OK here goes the instruction for using www.mapy.cz On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 2:35 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > Aida, > > I find Shtetlseeker's latitude and longitude most useful with the > maps at: > > _http://lazarus.elte.hu/hun/digkonyv/topo/3felmeres.htm_ > (http://lazarus.elte.hu/hun/digkonyv/topo/3felmeres.htm) > > > Those 1880 maps are very high resolution -- showing buildings and > footpaths > and they give all the German placenames with Czech or names in other > languages > like Polish, Ukraine, Hungarian, Italian, etc. where they apply in > parehtheses below > the German name. If there is no German name, only the other language > name appears. > > I find the Mapy.CZ website very difficult to use. Although I like the > historiky maps very much I have been disappointed in the > amount of zoom I could get on them when I found one of interest. > When I search on Slavice I get a number of > hits and just because I can guess that Okres Tachov is the location of the > one I want I got lucky. Before that I clicked on the top one > in the list to the left of the map display and got Slavic > somewhere in the south near the Italian border. After then, that > darn historiky map popped up every time I tried a new search with Slavice. > It only went away after I restarted my PC. > > When I tried Beneschau I came up with a number of hits that were > identified > in Czech by the Obec in which they belonged and I could not connect my > Beneschau with Obec Urad. I had to go to Shtetlseeker to learn the Czech > name of the place today (Benesovice) and then search with that to find out > that the one in Obec Urad was the right one!!! When I searched Mapy.CZ > with Benesovice I got the place in a map but it did not give the German > name > along with the Czech one. > > I have Ewald Keil's CD with the searchable Sudetenlan Lexicon that gives > all > the info one would want about any place at all but one would have to > search > for each place and copy the data to Notepad in order to save it to a > new file on a PC (to make it easier to retrieve). > > I guess it really is not possible to teach and old dog like me new tricks > so I just use my old faithful 1880 map sites with Shtetlseeker > which gives me the coordinates to apply there. > > I think you have given instructions how to use that Mapy.CZ site in the > past. There are probably a lot of newbies on the list from > time to time -- newbies who could not dig through all the > archived Emails because there are just too many and they are indexed > only by year. So if you have your own copy of your instructions to > use the Mapy.CZ website I (for one) would really appreciate it if you > would post them to the list at least one more time. > > I got a new PC system with Windows 7 for Christmas and I am supposed > to be able to still use my old HD which was reinstalled behind the new > one. > But when I try it causes a system crash so I cannoit access any of my > old files except the ones I happened to save on an external HD. Haven't > had a chance to sort all of that out as yet. > > The new system has an HD with a Terabyte of space!!! I wonder if I > will live long enough to fill 1/4 of it!!! > > Karen > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Submitted by Aida I have found a great interactive European map link. By pressing a button located on the left upper corner of this map displayed on this link, you can see the borders change from 1901 to 1956. Go to this URL: http://www.fsmitha.com/h2/map24eu.htm

I am hoping for a relative of Helen Kretschmer Jaeger to pop up !! Joyce. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 12:00 AM Subject: GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Digest, Vol 5, Issue 8 > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Obsolete villages (Joyce Chiasson) > 2. Re: Obsolete villages (Aida Kraus) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 17:40:33 -0800 > From: "Joyce Chiasson" <[email protected]> > Subject: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Obsolete villages > To: <[email protected]> > Cc: Joyce Zodiaco <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I am looking for anyone who came from Engelsberg Bohemia by the names of > Pietsch, Kretschmer, Herrgesell . Our ancestors left there in 1866 to go > to USA and settled in Milwaukee Wisconsin and Ludington Michigan. > Would love to find old photos of the town and the Grist mill that the > ancestors had. > Joyce > [email protected] > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 17:59:58 -0800 > From: Aida Kraus <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Obsolete villages > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: > <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > I think we went through that Joyce, and you have everything I could find. > Aida > > On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 5:40 PM, Joyce Chiasson <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I am looking for anyone who came from Engelsberg Bohemia by the names of >> Pietsch, Kretschmer, Herrgesell . Our ancestors left there in 1866 to go >> to >> USA and settled in Milwaukee Wisconsin and Ludington Michigan. >> Would love to find old photos of the town and the Grist mill that the >> ancestors had. >> Joyce >> [email protected] >> German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the GERMAN-BOHEMIAN list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the GERMAN-BOHEMIAN mailing list, send an email to > [email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Digest, Vol 5, Issue 8 > *********************************************

In a message dated 1/5/2010 4:14:11 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Haberles Aida, IF you use Shtetlseeker town search at the Jewish Genealogy Website you will find the latitude and longitude of Haberles and a map (click on letter M) showing it. I believe I have mentioned using Shtetlseeker at least a couple of times each year as the best place to LOCATE a place easily. To find the website just search using: Shtetlseeker Town Search and click on the search result that is exact wording. Then type in your place name and the country or region in which you believe it WAS or IS and see what you get. Here is the result from a search at Shtetlseeker with Haberles and Czech REpublic Haberles, Ovesné populated place 48°56' N 14°03' E E M U G Czech Republic 81.6 miles SSW of Praha 50°5' N 14°28' The M in the column with E M U G is the one I use for a map of a place. NOTE that the Jewish Genealogy website is in English. They have a numver of databases there. Just search the site for cemetery indexes and other interesting data. Karen

I think we went through that Joyce, and you have everything I could find. Aida On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 5:40 PM, Joyce Chiasson <[email protected]> wrote: > I am looking for anyone who came from Engelsberg Bohemia by the names of > Pietsch, Kretschmer, Herrgesell . Our ancestors left there in 1866 to go to > USA and settled in Milwaukee Wisconsin and Ludington Michigan. > Would love to find old photos of the town and the Grist mill that the > ancestors had. > Joyce > [email protected] > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I am looking for anyone who came from Engelsberg Bohemia by the names of Pietsch, Kretschmer, Herrgesell . Our ancestors left there in 1866 to go to USA and settled in Milwaukee Wisconsin and Ludington Michigan. Would love to find old photos of the town and the Grist mill that the ancestors had. Joyce [email protected]

That is why I use the Czech Mapy rather than the StettlSeeker, because historicka gives the German names, which are not given on the StettlSeeker map, only on their search button. The German names are needed to find the parish in order to extract information from the German Genealogy Site of the Sudetenland. That was the church register listing I sent in my prior mail to you. The distance to the border - see a kilometer scale on the left hand side - is about 20 km as the crow flies, maybe 25 km by road. This converts to 1.6 km = 1 mile, and therefore 20 km:1.6 amounts to 12.5 miles to the border with Bavaria , but if you drive by car it would be 25 km :1.6 = 15.5 miles. I guess that is what you are looking for. But it is better to rent a car at Pilsen (Plzen) raather than in Germany, because they are hesitant to rent cars going into the Chech Republic because of frequent car robberies of German cars. It is best if you find someone owning a car and pay him for his service to you. It is not far, about 30 some miles from Passau. Twice as long to Regensburg. Aida ------------------------ On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 4:36 PM, Larry Klauser <[email protected]>wrote: > Hello Aida: > > Thanks to the link to that great map. The correct Ovesne is #2 which is > just south of Chrobold (Chroboly) and about 40 Km west of Ceske' > Budejovice. When I zoomed in, I can see 'Haberles' faintly on the map. If > you can determine the relationship of that town to the Sudetenland border, > it will be greatly appreciated. Thanks again. > > Best Regards, > > Larry Klauser > > --- On Tue, 1/5/10, Aida Kraus <[email protected]> wrote: > > From: Aida Kraus <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Obsolete Villages in Bohemia > To: [email protected] > Date: Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 4:23 PM > > Dear Larry, thanks for you kind words. We need to find "your correct" > Ovesne, there are several. Go to this link: > > http://www.mapy.cz/#[email protected][email protected][email protected][email protected][email protected][email protected][email protected][email protected]=11 > < > http://www.mapy.cz/#[email protected][email protected][email protected][email protected][email protected][email protected][email protected][email protected]=11 > >Click > on all of them and when the map comes up, go to "dalsi" and then hit > "historicka" and read the German name. This is the way you can find > Haberles (?) - a nickname for something I just happen to dig out of my 80 > year old brain. I have a sneaky suspicion that you screwed up the name of > your ancestors and you mean Haberkladrau instead of Haberles!!!! that is a > bit to the East of Marienbad (Marianske Lazne on the map!!!) > Good luck.... I have a feeling that we have hit bullseye now. Yes? Let me > know! > Aida > > ------------------------------------- > > On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 11:16 AM, Larry Klauser <[email protected] > >wrote: > > > Dear Aida: > > > > Like others, I can not thank you enough for the continuous education that > > you provide. I always look forward to opening your responses. It seems > > that I have failed "Sudetenland map reading 101". I am unable to find my > > ancestors town of Haberles (Ovesne as it is now known) with reference to > the > > Sudetenland border. I think it is near the edge but I am not sure. As > > always, thanks for your wisdom, knowledge and guidance. > > > > Larry Klauser > > > > --- On Tue, 1/5/10, Aida Kraus <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > From: Aida Kraus <[email protected]> > > Subject: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Obsolete Villages in Bohemia > > To: "german-bohemian" <[email protected]> > > Date: Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 12:57 PM > > > > Here is a link to villages and buildings which are no longer in existence > > in > > the Czech Republic. While the Czechs confiscated German property after > WW2 > > (1945) in the Sudetenland and were trying to repopulate the area with > > 800,000 Czech new settlers, the enormous void created by the 3,2 Million > > Germans is quite visible on this map. However, please consider that some > > of > > the villages on the Western border were bulldozed to allow a clear cut > > along > > the length of the Iron Curtain against the West. To the North, Saxony, > and > > then Communist East Germany, there was no such installation. These red > > dots represent emptied out German villages to the most part. This is not > a > > representation of the German presence in Bohemia, because that was much > > greater. These red dots are merely obsolete villages you can click on to > > get a global positioning and the German and Czech name. You can then go > to > > www.mapy.cz > > to zoom in on the area by satellite. You can go very close to > individual > > properties and houses. > > With this map and alphabetical index of villages in Czech and German > > languages, you will be able to better locate the place of your ancestors > > that might no longer exist and I hope that this will help you out of a > dead > > ended research block. > > Submitted by Aida > > > > http://www.zanikleobce.cz/index.php?menu=22%20title= > > http://www.zanikleobce.cz/index.php?menu=93 > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

We got it, Karen, it is a little easier on Mapy, and in the meantime we found that the records there go back to 1645. Aida On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 4:30 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > > In a message dated 1/5/2010 4:14:11 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > Haberles > > Aida, > > IF you use Shtetlseeker town search at the Jewish Genealogy Website you > will > find the latitude and longitude of Haberles and a map (click on letter M) > showing it. > > I believe I have mentioned using Shtetlseeker at least a couple of times > each > year as the best place to LOCATE a place easily. > > To find the website just search using: > > Shtetlseeker Town Search and click on the search result that is exact > wording. > Then type in your place name and the country or region in which you believe > it > WAS or IS and see what you get. > > Here is the result from a search at Shtetlseeker with Haberles and Czech > REpublic > > Haberles, Ovesné populated place 48°56' N 14°03' E > E M U G Czech Republic 81.6 miles SSW of Praha 50°5' N 14°28' > > The M in the column with E M U G is the one I use for a map of a place. > > NOTE that the Jewish Genealogy website is in English. They have a numver > of databases there. Just search the site for cemetery indexes and other > interesting data. > > Karen > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Aida: Thanks to the link to that great map.  The correct Ovesne is #2 which is just south of Chrobold (Chroboly) and about 40 Km west of Ceske' Budejovice.  When I zoomed in, I can see 'Haberles' faintly on the map.  If you can determine the relationship of that town to the Sudetenland border, it will be greatly appreciated.  Thanks again. Best Regards, Larry Klauser --- On Tue, 1/5/10, Aida Kraus <[email protected]> wrote: From: Aida Kraus <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Obsolete Villages in Bohemia To: [email protected] Date: Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 4:23 PM Dear Larry, thanks for you kind words.   We need to find "your correct" Ovesne, there are several.  Go to this link: http://www.mapy.cz/#[email protected][email protected][email protected][email protected][email protected][email protected][email protected][email protected]=11 <http://www.mapy.cz/#[email protected][email protected][email protected][email protected][email protected][email protected][email protected][email protected]=11>Click on all of them and when the map comes up, go to "dalsi" and then hit "historicka" and read the German name.  This is the way you can find Haberles (?) - a nickname for something I just happen to dig out of my 80 year old brain.   I have a sneaky suspicion that you screwed up the name of your ancestors and you mean Haberkladrau instead of Haberles!!!!  that is a bit to the East of Marienbad (Marianske Lazne on the map!!!) Good luck.... I have a feeling that we have hit bullseye now.  Yes?  Let me know! Aida ------------------------------------- On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 11:16 AM, Larry Klauser <[email protected]>wrote: > Dear Aida: > > Like others, I can not thank you enough for the continuous education that > you provide.  I always look forward to opening your responses.  It seems > that I have failed "Sudetenland map reading 101".  I am unable to find my > ancestors town of Haberles (Ovesne as it is now known) with reference to the > Sudetenland border.  I think it is near the edge but I am not sure.  As > always, thanks for your wisdom, knowledge and guidance. > > Larry Klauser > > --- On Tue, 1/5/10, Aida Kraus <[email protected]> wrote: > > From: Aida Kraus <[email protected]> > Subject: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Obsolete Villages in Bohemia > To: "german-bohemian" <[email protected]> > Date: Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 12:57 PM > > Here is a link to villages and buildings which are no longer in existence > in > the Czech Republic.  While the Czechs confiscated German property after WW2 > (1945) in the Sudetenland and were trying to repopulate the area with > 800,000 Czech new settlers, the enormous void created by the 3,2 Million > Germans is quite visible on this map.  However, please consider that some > of > the villages on the Western border were bulldozed to allow a clear cut > along > the length of the Iron Curtain against the West.  To the North, Saxony, and > then Communist East Germany,  there was no such installation.  These red > dots represent emptied out German villages to the most part.  This is not a > representation of the German presence in Bohemia, because that was much > greater.  These red dots are merely obsolete villages you can click on to > get a global positioning and the German and Czech name.  You can then go to > www.mapy.cz > to zoom in on the area by satellite.   You can go very close to individual > properties and houses. >     With this map and alphabetical index of villages in Czech and German > languages, you will be able to better locate the place of your ancestors > that might no longer exist and I hope that this will help you out of a dead > ended research block. >     Submitted by Aida > > http://www.zanikleobce.cz/index.php?menu=22%20title= > http://www.zanikleobce.cz/index.php?menu=93 > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message