Moses: Could you tell me how you found those records? Did you hire a researcher or dig them out of the internet? I'm pretty sure where my wife's family came from. But the town has beeen destroyed now. I don't know where the records would be located now. Bill Forshay - San Antonio, TX ________________________________ From: "Theimer, Moses" <[email protected]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Sent: Mon, March 29, 2010 12:10:00 PM Subject: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Theimer- Bohemian or Moravian ? Dear All: I just received some documents from the Czech Republic that my Grandfather Bruno Theimer was born in Sternberg. I always thought that the this area was Bohemian however I am finding out that it was Moravian. Can someone please clarify this and if this may be correct guild me to a website for Moravians. Any information is greatly appreciated. Thank you. Moses Major Moses C. Theimer Assistant Professor New Mexico Military Institute Communications Department 101 West College Boulevard Roswell, New Mexico 88201 (505)624-8202 [email protected] www.nmmi.edu Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail, including all attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited unless specifically provided under the New Mexico Inspection of Public Records Act. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and destroy all copies of this message. German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have been trying to clean up my inbox after loading an updated version of my server software -- it seemed to grab emails from way back when and dumped them all for me to review. While doing so I found this interesting review about the resettlement of formerly German lands in CZ after WW II. I visited CZ in 1976 and recall that as soon as we passed the no-man's-land part of the border there were huge collective farm fields that spread as far as one could see. It was spring but we saw few workers in the fields, only a few large tractors here and there. One thing I saw was children cleaning up a park without obvious adult supervision. It would seem that each town or village had a local "job jar" for the population and the different teams did what they should. It made me think of how one would see some neighborhoods in Heidelberg (we lived there) where the German Hausfraus still swept the sidewalks in front of their property quite often. But other neighborhoods in that University town could be quite "trashy" like many in America. Karen H-NET BOOK REVIEW Published by [email protected] (May, 2009) Andreas Wiedemann. _"Komm mit uns das Grenzland aufbauen!": Ansiedlung und neue Strukturen in den ehemaligen Sudetengebieten 1945-1952_. Essen: Klartext, 2007. 482 pp. ISBN 978-3-89861-734-5; EUR 34.90 (cloth), ISBN 978-3-89861-734-5. Reviewed for H-German by Caitlin Murdock, Department of History, California State University Long Beach Remaking the Borderlands The return of Bohemia's borderlands to Czechoslovakia in 1945 unleashed the largest migration in the region's history. As Andreas Wiedemann argues in his new monograph, Czechoslovakia's expulsion of German-speakers was only one of two intertwined postwar migrations that, collectively, involved some five million people. The second was an influx of Czech and Slovak settlers to the borderlands, drawn by promises of property, social advancement, and national renewal from the Czechoslovak interior and European diaspora communities. By the early 1950s, new settlers made up more than two-thirds of the frontier population, transforming the borderlands' economic, social, and political landscapes. Wiedemann offers a rich descriptive account of the Czech resettlements that is a welcome addition to the literature. In 1945, Czechoslovak leaders across the political spectrum agreed that the German-speaking population posed an unacceptable threat to the stability of the postwar state, and that the borderlands should be "returned" to Slavic control. As Wiedemann shows, Czechoslovaks understood the borderlands in ethnic rather than strictly geographic terms--as those frontier territories with majority German-speaking populations. These areas overlapped largely, but not completely, with the territory Nazi Germany had occupied as the "Reichsgau Sudetenland" between 1938 and 1945. Government officials and national committees urged Czechs and Slovaks to settle in the borderlands, and hundreds of thousands of people heeded the call. The first settlers arrived from adjacent areas under their own steam, but Wiedemann demonstrates that this migration was not simply a "spontaneous" popular phenomenon. By the fall of 1945, the Czechoslovak Ministry of Agriculture and the newly created settlement commission began steering the migration. Czechoslovak Communists led both agencies, and proved a critical means for the Communist Party to extend its regional influence, shape wider Czechoslovak policy, and begin laying the ground for a socialist system in frontier areas long before the 1948 takeover. For the postwar Czechoslovak government, resettlement was essential to making the borderlands unambiguously Slavic territory, securing essential industrial and agricultural capacity for the Czechoslovak economy, relieving overpopulation in rural central Bohemia, and creating a zone of loyal citizens as a buffer against external threats. These goals meant not only moving people to frontier areas, but also securing their support for state goals and integrating them into postwar Czechoslovak politics and society. For Communists, it also meant winning support for Communist Party leadership. The Czechs and Slovaks who arrived in frontier areas in the late 1940s included former borderland residents who had fled the Nazi occupation, agricultural and industrial workers from inland areas, and ethnic Czechs and Slovaks from abroad, who despite being called "re- emigrants," typically had no previous ties to Czechoslovakia. These settlers joined Czech-speakers already in the region and were supposed to include only the most trustworthy elements of Czechoslovak society. Yet, as Wiedemann shows, from the very beginning, the state struggled with the fact that settlers often failed to behave in accordance with official settlement plans. "Gold diggers" snatched up property for personal gain, and as early as 1946, thousands of agricultural settlers began leaving frontier regions as they discovered that the land they had been given was poor, the demands of cultivating it overwhelming, and local infrastructure inadequate. Borderland industries and agriculture faced chronic labor shortages when settlers proved reluctant to replace German-speaking wage labor. Further, different groups of settlers were often at odds with one another and with established Czech-speaking populations. One of the issues dividing established residents and new settlers was the treatment of German-speakers, most of whom were still in the frontier areas when settlers arrived. Long-term frontier residents, including many who had fled the National Socialist occupation, were accustomed to living with German-speakers, likely to distinguish between Nazi supporters and German-speaking anti-fascists, and interested in keeping regional industries going with skilled labor, even when those workers were German-speakers. Further, they often disparaged settlers as unskilled and undisciplined. Settlers, on the other hand, proved a catalyst for the removal of German-speakers to solve housing shortages and protested government policies for retaining German-speaking skilled labor in industry. Settlers from the Czechoslovak interior treated established frontier residents and re- emigrants from Germany, Austria, and Hungary with suspicion because of their long association with German-speakers, and they declared that the influx of re-emigrants was once again populating frontier areas with "non-Czechs." These tensions and settlers' anti-German rhetoric eased by the early 1950s with the end of settlement and property distribution and with the rise of a Cold War politics that emphasized divisions between capitalism and communism more than those between Slavs and Germans. But for all that the postwar period of settlement and nationalist politics was relatively short-lived, it left the borderlands greatly changed, with a smaller population than before the war, a majority of people recently arrived from outside the region, a shrunken industrial sector, and a strong Communist political base. Yet, Wiedemann notes that despite such profound changes the Czechoslovak government, unlike Poland, failed to get rid of the "borderland" category as part of its integration project, and the regional designation based on a past German-speaking population remained part of official and popular understandings of Bohemian geography. Wiedemann's book is part of a rapidly growing literature on Bohemia's transition from a dismembered and occupied territory during World War II to an integral part of a much more ethnically homogeneous communist state during the Cold War. Its focus on resettlement is a welcome corrective to a literature that has focused largely on the expulsions in its treatment of Bohemian frontier areas. The book would be even stronger if the text were a bit less repetitive, and if it were to engage with some of the important new English-language literature dealing with traditions of national indifference in the Bohemian language frontiers,[1] and with debates about national cleansing in postwar Czechoslovakia.[2] But these are minor criticisms of a work that adds important insights into the connections between Nazi occupation, the rise of communism, and the persistence of borderland identities in Czechoslovakia. Notes [1]. Pieter Judson, _Guardians of the Nation: Activists on the Language Frontiers of Imperial Austria_ (Cambridge: Harvard University Press, 2006); Jeremy King, _Budweisers into Czechs and Germans: A Local History of Bohemian Politics, 1848-1948_ (Princeton: Princeton University Press, 2002); and Tara Zahra, _Kidnapped Souls: National Indifference and the Battle for Children in the Bohemian Lands, 1900-1948_ (Ithaca: Cornell University Press, 2008). [2]. Benjamin Fromme, _National Cleansing: Retribution against Nazi Collaborators in Postwar Czechoslovakia_ (New York: Cambridge University Press, 2005). Citation: Caitlin Murdock. Review of Wiedemann, Andreas, _"Komm mit uns das Grenzland aufbauen!": Ansiedlung und neue Strukturen in den ehemaligen Sudetengebieten 1945-1952_. H-German, H-Net Reviews. May, 2009. URL: http://www.h-net.org/reviews/showrev.php?id=24060 This work is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution- Noncommercial-No Derivative Works 3.0 United States License.

Dear All: I just received some documents from the Czech Republic that my Grandfather Bruno Theimer was born in Sternberg. I always thought that the this area was Bohemian however I am finding out that it was Moravian. Can someone please clarify this and if this may be correct guild me to a website for Moravians. Any information is greatly appreciated. Thank you. Moses Major Moses C. Theimer Assistant Professor New Mexico Military Institute Communications Department 101 West College Boulevard Roswell, New Mexico 88201 (505)624-8202 [email protected] www.nmmi.edu Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail, including all attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited unless specifically provided under the New Mexico Inspection of Public Records Act. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and destroy all copies of this message.

http://www.feefhs.org/ Use this link for more information on their meeting in Salt Lake City July 29-31, 2010 special hotel prices for participants at the Salt Lake Plaza. Click on the individual tabs listed on this site. from Aida

Anyone researching their ancestors from the Landskron area can find background material on a recently translated page from German. Open this site to read the English version. http://www.genealogy.net/reg/SUD/emigr-landskron.html from Aida

Please Go Here to Find Out About the von Fricken Family reunion http://www.facebook.com/#!/group.php?gid=183011393136

Thanks Karen. Your suggested website could really add value when searching. Gary

_http://www.bing-vs-google.com/_ (http://www.bing-vs-google.com/) I have used Bing in the past and was usually impressed with the result. But I also use Google. This new website search page lets you enter your searchwords and you then get results from both Bing and Google side by side. You may have to drag the sides of your results page out a bit to view both results lists at once. Karen

_https://archivesphotos.edmonton.ca/Presto/home/Default.aspx_ (https://archivesphotos.edmonton.ca/Presto/home/Default.aspx) The City of Edmonton, Alberta, has put over 200 old photos on line. See the URL above.

Another piece of information on "von Fricken" Baron Freiherr von Fricken had no children, except for his niece who married the Count of Zedtwitz . She became (Christiane) Ernestine (Franziska) von, verh. Gräfin von Zedtwitz, a famous pianist in the early 1800. The Zedtwitz Family is from Germany (try Dresden). There were no "von Fricken" families in Asch as of the 1941 address book. Aida --------------------------------------------------------- On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 10:17 AM, Fumarium <[email protected]> wrote: > > My Mother's surname / maiden name is: von Fricken > We are relatives of the Baron Hauptmann Ferdinand Ignaz Freiherr von > Fricken of Asch, German Bohemia - now described as As (hacek over s), Czech > Republic. > > There is a strong musical connection between the Baron , his adopted > daughter Ernestine, and the famous composer Schumann. > > I would like to have contact with anyone who has knowledge of the von > Fricken family from Asch / As - and I would especially like to hear from any > living relatives presently in / near Asch / As. > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Although I was not able to get anything on Baron von Fricken of Asch, I was able to get a Bio on his niece, see link, but it seems from your description that you may have found this link already http://www.sophie-drinker-institut.de/von%20fricken.htm Other sources to Bohemian nobility are found in the "Gotha" a book of the Nobility and their lineages. And the best source would probably be: *Schematismus* des Großgrundbesitzes im *Königreich* *Böhmen* (Prag 1906) which is a census of noble estates in Bohemia, and you can get this at Google books or The Austrian Hungarian Monarchy. If you click on this link, you can select the language of your choice, perhaps it will guide you to what you are looking for. http://www.donaumonarchie.com/ Unfortunately, I am not at home at my computer, but traveling, otherwise I could have sent you the link address, but if you look into our archives, you may find it, or someone might have copied it from our list and could post it once more for [email protected] --- By the way "Fumarium," we are listing here our own names, and it would be nice to know who you are. Aida ------------------------------------------------- On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 10:17 AM, Fumarium <[email protected]> wrote: > > My Mother's surname / maiden name is: von Fricken > We are relatives of the Baron Hauptmann Ferdinand Ignaz Freiherr von > Fricken of Asch, German Bohemia - now described as As (hacek over s), Czech > Republic. > > There is a strong musical connection between the Baron , his adopted > daughter Ernestine, and the famous composer Schumann. > > I would like to have contact with anyone who has knowledge of the von > Fricken family from Asch / As - and I would especially like to hear from any > living relatives presently in / near Asch / As. > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

My Mother's surname / maiden name is: von Fricken We are relatives of the Baron Hauptmann Ferdinand Ignaz Freiherr von Fricken of Asch, German Bohemia - now described as As (hacek over s), Czech Republic. There is a strong musical connection between the Baron , his adopted daughter Ernestine, and the famous composer Schumann. I would like to have contact with anyone who has knowledge of the von Fricken family from Asch / As - and I would especially like to hear from any living relatives presently in / near Asch / As.

_http://www.footnote.com/pdf/M1915.pdf_ (http://www.footnote.com/pdf/M1915.pdf) Information on available Homestead Land Records for Nebraska and what they should contain. Karen

The article below is from Eastman's Genealogy Newsletter. The records mentioned are at the LDS and the link provided takes you to the part of their catalog that accesses this census. NARA indexes the films they provide at their national research centers but the index may not yet be available from that resource. Eventually the LDS will have all of their digital records indexed but it may take a fairly long time for them to get to this particular census. Perhaps those who use this census at the LDS or other sites would be willing to index the few pages they use? If someone has any ideas about the best approach to that, please tell us about it. Karen ---------------------------------- March 02, 2010 1930 US Census Available Free of Charge on the Internet Archive (javascript:showOdiogoReadNowFrame ('270710', '1930 us census available free of charge on the internet archive', '0', 290, 55);) Here is a pleasant surprise: the Internet Archive is placing the 1930 U.S. Census online and is making it available at no charge. This is a "work in progress;" but, the census records from many states are available now, and the remaining states will be added in the near future. The records are offered in exactly the same format as the microfilms created by the U.S. Government. In fact, the online images appear to be copies of the microfilms. The images are being offered "as is." That is, there is no index available, only the images. If you already know where your ancestor lived and (hopefully) the enumeration district, you can view the images one at a time until you find the information you seek. You can find enumeration districts on FamilySearch at _http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=subjectdetails&s ubject=870702&subject_disp=Census+districts+-+United+States&columns=*,0,0_ (http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?dis play=subjectdetails&subject=870702&subject_disp=Census+districts+-+United+St ates&columns=*,0,0) . Once you know the enumeration district, return to the Internet Archive at http://www.archive.org/details/1930_census to conduct your search. If your ancestors lived in a small town, you can probably find them without determining an enumeration district in advance. However, for those who resided in cities, the enumeration district is a valuable piece of information that allows you to zoom in on the correct neighborhood quickly although you will still need to look at a lot of images to find what you seek. While it is nice to see a free version of the census available, I doubt if this will have much impact on the commercial companies that also offer census images online for a fee. The commercial companies have indexed most of their records, and finding someone in an index first is much, much easier than manually looking at hundreds of images in search of the right family. While I appreciate the free, unindexed images, I'll still gladly pay a few dollars a month to have an index available. I suspect most others will do the same, especially after trying to find someone in the free records. Of course, now is an excellent time for your genealogy society or historical society to index the records for your area and place your own index online, with each entry pointing to an original record on the Internet Archive. To find the 1930 U.S. Census records on the Internet Archive, start at: _http://www.archive.org/details/1930_census_ (http://www.archive.org/details/1930_census) to conduct your search. Posted by Dick Eastman on March 02, 2010 in _Online Sites_ (http://blog.eogn.com/eastmans_online_genealogy/online_sites/) | _Permalink_ (http://blog.eogn.com/eastmans_online_genealogy/2010/03/1930-us-census-available-free-of- charge-on-the-internet-archive.html) Comments (http://blog.eogn.com/eastmans_online_genealogy/2010/03/1930-us-census-available-free-of-charge-on-the-internet-archive/comments/atom.xml) You can follow this conversation by subscribing to the _comment feed_ (http://blog.eogn.com/eastmans_online_genealogy/2010/03/1930-us-census-available-free-of-cha rge-on-the-internet-archive/comments/atom.xml) for this post. Dick, Remember that we have put online at stevemorse.org a geographical finder tool for finding people on the 1930 census. If one knows the location of the person, or better yet for cities of over 25,000 in 1930 their address, the Morse One Step site will narrow which census district the location is in, and often will provide a single district number. Look in the census folder on the site for applicable utilities and read the FAQ if confused about the choices. While I'm commenting on geographical tools, I want your readers to know that I've produced 3 different databases to make such searches feasible when the 1940 census opens in 2012... and it will open online... no film. I've transcribed over 150,000 census district correlates that convert a 1930 district number into a 1940 one. I've transcribed all the 1940 census district definitions (less large cities over 50,000) and shared that text file with the National Archives (that have proofed the file and will use it in their own index). That searchable definition file is online right now. And initially with the help of 74 volunteers, we did block indexes (to census district numbers) of all cities over 50,000 in 1940, and I've been adding smaller cities so that by this summer, I'll have all cities done over 25,000 and resources to do many more. Eventually, we may end up with about 600 urban areas that have such block indexes. Right now there are over 375 urban areas available on the Morse website for searching by address the 1940 census. Steve Morse has programmed search engines for these 3 databases, and these utilities are functional right now and available for free on the stevemorse.org site. Joel Weintraub _http://members.cox.net/census1940/_ (http://members.cox.net/census1940/) Posted by: _Joel Weintraub_ (http://members.cox.net/census1940/) | _March 03, 2010 at 02:14 AM_ (http://blog.eogn.com/eastmans_online_genealogy/2010/03/1930-us-census-available-fre e-of-charge-on-the-internet-archive.html?cid=6a00d8341c767353ef01310f574b24970c#comment-6a00d8341c767353ef01310f574b24970 c) Or you can identify the enumeration district by going to Steve Morse' One Step pages. To use his ED converter, you must know the street name. _http://stevemorse.org/census/index.html_ (http://stevemorse.org/census/index.html) Posted by: Darlene | _March 03, 2010 at 02:24 AM_ (http://blog.eogn.com/eastmans_online_genealogy/2010/03/1930-us-census-available-free-of-charge-on-th e-internet-archive.html?cid=6a00d8341c767353ef01310f575ab0970c#comment-6a00d 8341c767353ef01310f575ab0970c) Allen County Public Library has also begun uploading the Veterans Administration Pension Payment Cards 1907-1933 (NARA M850) to the Internet Archive. Like the 1930 census, these records are copies of the NARA microfilms. The cards were filmed alphabetically, and the names found on each roll of film can be seen on the first roll. _http://www.archive.org/details/acpl_veteransadmin_01_reel01_ (http://www.archive.org/details/acpl_veteransadmin_01_reel01) It is also an on-going project, as of yesterday they had about 150 films completed.

Randy, The parish book you see is probably just the first image for that book. Above the image is a box with an arrow on the left and to the right of it. You can click on these arrows to to move one image forward or backward in the book. Or, you can type in an image number and hit enter to go directly to that image. It will take a bit of "fumbling around" until you kind of get a feel for the sequence of things in a particular parish book. Ken

Ken Thank-you so much for the information you have posted, it is of great help. I have one question , tho, , when i have clicked on the magnifying glass for the books i want to see, i then get a "parish book", what do i need to do now to get "into" the book to access the information that is in it? Thanx randy mathes -----Original Message----- >From: Ken Chromy <[email protected]> >Sent: Mar 2, 2010 9:07 AM >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Digest, Vol 5, Issue 31 > > > >Karen, > >I do not really read or write much Czech, but have been able to get logged on and find family parish records, so I will attempt to guide those that need some help with instructions below. When they first came online in early January, things seemed to work fairly easily, but as they’ve added more parishes and attempted to correct some problems, things have seemed to go south on them. I currently can’t get records to load for the parishes that I have interest it. I am not sure whether this is affecting all their parish books (I don’t think so) or not. From their comment that they have posted, I believe they are aware of this and are working on it so it should be just a matter of time until things are working better again. > >The archive at http://www.actapublica.eu/ contains records for both the Pilsen and Brno Archives. Unlike the Trebon Archives (which by the way seems much easier to navigate) you must first register to have access to these records. I use a google tool bar that automatically translates most of the html code on pages (not the actual images). I really does a fairly decent job and most translations make some sense. I will list things below as they appear in Czech with some English translations. > >Go to www.actapublica.eu > >There are four icons across the page below the words Prohlizeni matrik (Viewing registers) > > * Informace o projektu > * Registrace nového uživatele/New registration > * Náhledy aplikace > * Přihlášení do systému (Log into the system) > >It is the second one you need to register at and the last one after you are registered to get logged in. > >Click “New registration”. > >The words in red says, “When entering the login name (login) and login password Enter the characters without diacritical marks and no spaces.” I think all of the boxes have English descriptions following the Czech words. There is one for “Číslo OP/Doc. No.” It won’t let you complete the registration unless you put sometime in this box. They want an identity number. I used my drivers license number and it worked fine. I’ve heard some people used a passport number or made up a number (as they were concerned about identity theft) and that also works, I don’t know if it does, I just know you can’t leave it blank. > >Near the end, you have to check the box in front of “Souhlasím s podmínkami užití služeb/I agree with term of use” and then click the box “Registravat se” > >That should get you registered. > >You can now go back to the home page and click on the 4th icon, to log into the system. > >Enter your login name in the first box, your password in the second box and click on “Prihlasit se” below. Don’t click on “zapomenuté heslo” as that means “Forgotten Password”. > >The next page shows a section boxed in called “vyhledavani” meaning “search”. In the beginning you should be in the Brno archives - see the second line that says “Archiv”. To work in the Pilsen region, select the drop down box in the first line that says “Statni oblastni archiv v Plzni” and click on the icon “Zobrazit”. That should change the archive from Brno to Pilsen. > >Now you will need to enter the village name that you are looking for. Actually, you’ll probably only want to enter the first part of the village name as it will search through those that are available and allow you to select from a drop down section the village/parish combination that you want.. You don’t have to do anything in the next two boxes, just click on the icon “Hledat” (Search). > >You may get a page that comes up with the phrase, “Matriky pro tuto obec nejsou zatím zadané v systému.” This means Registers for this community are not yet entered in the system. > >Or, you could get a listing of the parish books that have the village name you entered. If so, the columns roughly mean: > >Parish and book # >District (like counties here in the states) >Municipality - putting the curser over the number in this column shows the names of the villages in this book >Source (generally which Roman Catholic Parish) >Births >Marriages >Deaths >Indexes - they use a star for birth indexes, circle for marriage indexes and plus sign for death indexes when available. They will usually be at the end of these parish books >Next column is often blank - I think it refers to how many images are in that particular book >The Last Column - if it has a magnifying glass in it, that is the link you need to click to get to that parish book. > >What’s happening now to the parishes that I’m searching, its that the page (image 1) is loading, but it never actually loads. > >If I see where it is working better, I’ll email the list again. If anyone else is new having success loading those pages, please share it with the list. > >In January, the Pilsen Archives were working on parishes beginning with the letters A-D. Now I believe they are working parish through to the letter J. > >I have also found parish records of family in the Brno Archives. They seem to have went at the loading of records differently. Rather that loading all records for some parishes first, they are loading the most commonly requested parish books first. So many parishes have a few parish books online, but very few parishes are completed - typically books that cover the 1800's are load before those from the 1600's and 1700's. > >Good luck. - Ken Chromy > > > > >German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com

Hello, Ken and  G-B List.  Thank you for the information on the Czech Archive site.  I have been searching the Plzen Archive pages for several parishes after I registered, stumbling along with Google's translations to help, pretty much like your instructions.  I put a 40 yr. old passport # in for Doc. number  and it worked.  I have seen messages that say that any number will work. I, too, have been having trouble loading some pages on some of the parishes that I've checked, My understanding is that they have Parishes A - J (Czech names) on-line now. It does seem worse since they "corrected" some of the problems.  I can load some of the pages from a Parish book and all of a sudden I come to a page or pages that won't load, and then further on the pages load for awhile and then I come to another "gap" where pages won't load.  I thought it might be my Browser (Firefox) as it sometimes "gives up" loading pages on other sites after I've been using it awhile, but it seems it is the site's problem.  Frustrating to say the least, and I hope they can fix it soon.  I don't know about the other archives, as so far my people are all in the Plzen area.  Thanks again for your help.  Marg McEuen

Karen, I do not really read or write much Czech, but have been able to get logged on and find family parish records, so I will attempt to guide those that need some help with instructions below. When they first came online in early January, things seemed to work fairly easily, but as they’ve added more parishes and attempted to correct some problems, things have seemed to go south on them. I currently can’t get records to load for the parishes that I have interest it. I am not sure whether this is affecting all their parish books (I don’t think so) or not. From their comment that they have posted, I believe they are aware of this and are working on it so it should be just a matter of time until things are working better again. The archive at http://www.actapublica.eu/ contains records for both the Pilsen and Brno Archives. Unlike the Trebon Archives (which by the way seems much easier to navigate) you must first register to have access to these records. I use a google tool bar that automatically translates most of the html code on pages (not the actual images). I really does a fairly decent job and most translations make some sense. I will list things below as they appear in Czech with some English translations. Go to www.actapublica.eu There are four icons across the page below the words Prohlizeni matrik (Viewing registers) * Informace o projektu * Registrace nového uživatele/New registration * Náhledy aplikace * Přihlášení do systému (Log into the system) It is the second one you need to register at and the last one after you are registered to get logged in. Click “New registration”. The words in red says, “When entering the login name (login) and login password Enter the characters without diacritical marks and no spaces.” I think all of the boxes have English descriptions following the Czech words. There is one for “Číslo OP/Doc. No.” It won’t let you complete the registration unless you put sometime in this box. They want an identity number. I used my drivers license number and it worked fine. I’ve heard some people used a passport number or made up a number (as they were concerned about identity theft) and that also works, I don’t know if it does, I just know you can’t leave it blank. Near the end, you have to check the box in front of “Souhlasím s podmínkami užití služeb/I agree with term of use” and then click the box “Registravat se” That should get you registered. You can now go back to the home page and click on the 4th icon, to log into the system. Enter your login name in the first box, your password in the second box and click on “Prihlasit se” below. Don’t click on “zapomenuté heslo” as that means “Forgotten Password”. The next page shows a section boxed in called “vyhledavani” meaning “search”. In the beginning you should be in the Brno archives - see the second line that says “Archiv”. To work in the Pilsen region, select the drop down box in the first line that says “Statni oblastni archiv v Plzni” and click on the icon “Zobrazit”. That should change the archive from Brno to Pilsen. Now you will need to enter the village name that you are looking for. Actually, you’ll probably only want to enter the first part of the village name as it will search through those that are available and allow you to select from a drop down section the village/parish combination that you want.. You don’t have to do anything in the next two boxes, just click on the icon “Hledat” (Search). You may get a page that comes up with the phrase, “Matriky pro tuto obec nejsou zatím zadané v systému.” This means Registers for this community are not yet entered in the system. Or, you could get a listing of the parish books that have the village name you entered. If so, the columns roughly mean: Parish and book # District (like counties here in the states) Municipality - putting the curser over the number in this column shows the names of the villages in this book Source (generally which Roman Catholic Parish) Births Marriages Deaths Indexes - they use a star for birth indexes, circle for marriage indexes and plus sign for death indexes when available. They will usually be at the end of these parish books Next column is often blank - I think it refers to how many images are in that particular book The Last Column - if it has a magnifying glass in it, that is the link you need to click to get to that parish book. What’s happening now to the parishes that I’m searching, its that the page (image 1) is loading, but it never actually loads. If I see where it is working better, I’ll email the list again. If anyone else is new having success loading those pages, please share it with the list. In January, the Pilsen Archives were working on parishes beginning with the letters A-D. Now I believe they are working parish through to the letter J. I have also found parish records of family in the Brno Archives. They seem to have went at the loading of records differently. Rather that loading all records for some parishes first, they are loading the most commonly requested parish books first. So many parishes have a few parish books online, but very few parishes are completed - typically books that cover the 1800's are load before those from the 1600's and 1700's. Good luck. - Ken Chromy

_http://www.actapublica.eu/prihlaseni_ (http://www.actapublica.eu/prihlaseni) Would a list member who reads Czech please give instructions how to register for online Pilsen Churchbooks? I tried translating the page but the diacriticals would not paste into Google translate -- they became question marks. Someone on the Sudeten list said they had successfully accessed some records at this site He seems to believe that his success was possibly because he tried at a right or lucky time. First he couldn't open one page and the next day two of them opened nicely. See his German note below. A note from another member of the Sudeten list said many of the books that have been digitized so far are in Czech. The most important news is that the Pilsen Churchbooks are slowly coming on line. Karen -------------------------------------------------- Sehr geehrte Frau Michler ! Ich kann nicht sagen warum bestimmte Kirchenbücher nur noch sporadisch geöffnet werden können. Ich habe aber über die Wandzeitung in Deutsch von http://www.actapublica.eu/prihlaseni zwei Matriken gemeldet bei denen nur noch vereinzelt Seiten angezeigt werden konnten. Am Tag darauf waren beide Matriken einwandfrei mit allen Seiten aufrufbar. Vieleicht versuchen Sie ebenfalls diesen Weg Mit freundlichen Grüßen Anton Sterr [email protected]

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