Historical background reading in regard to German settlements in East Europe and the expulsion of these Germans after world 2 in 1945. Areas of German Settlements: http://www.z-g-v.de/english/aktuelles/?id=56 Charta of the Expellees dated 1950: http://www.bund-der-vertriebenen.de/derbdv/charta-en.php3 Submitted by Aida Kraus

I do not see this article as rewriting history, Moses, because Gemans and Czechs have shared this area since 600 A.D. As you know from American experience, the Indian will write American history different than that of the settler, right? We are encountering the same here where two people make claim to the same area. While the Slavic impact on the area is apparent in the translating of German first names to the Czech equivalent, the German impact on the area was highlighted during the Habsburg years. It is balanced from the view of the ethnic group. But now, it will be up to the genealogist to find his ethnic group in these now Czech areas, and one must become aware of the time before the invention of a Republic called Czechoslovakia in 1918 and after. Before 1918 Bohemia was part of Austria Hungary under German administration. German presence and their history was maintained until 1945. From then on, Czech history has been written as it is seen from their viewpoint, while before it was written from the viewpoint of Austria Hungary. It will take a few more decades before the scars of the last war and its implication can be objectively reviewed by scholars. Then a more balanced report will supersede all prior opinions. The German Bohemians, aware of their atonement for transgression by the occupying Nazi Regime have declared themselves in a Charter of which a link is enclosed. German Bohemians were not the only expellees from their homeland, it affected 14 Million Germans in settlements on the Eastern borders, and in Germans lands since Christianity and perhaps even before. A good perspective of the large and greatly welcomed settlements of Germans can be read on this link: http://www.z-g-v.de/english/aktuelles/?id=56 The Charta of Expellees in English can be found here: http://www.bund-der-vertriebenen.de/derbdv/charta-en.php3 For reference I am posting these two links on the List with a separate subject for future reference and easier access. Aida Aida On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 11:18 AM, Theimer, Moses <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear All: > > Some of you were asking which Sternberg (Sternberk) I was referring to that > my grandfather was from. Please find below a website of that city. My big > question is is the information accurate? The website has a lengthy > historical account of the city, however it seems to minimize German > involvement much less German accomplishments and achievements. Could this > be an attempt to rewrite history. > > > http://www.sternberk.eu/index_web.php?jazyk=en&sekce=turista&kategorie_1=historie > > Moses > > Major Moses C. Theimer > Assistant Professor > New Mexico Military Institute > Communications Department > 101 West College Boulevard > Roswell, New Mexico 88201 > (505)624-8202 > [email protected] > www.nmmi.edu > > > Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail, including all attachments, is for the > sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and > privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or > distribution is prohibited unless specifically provided under the New Mexico > Inspection of Public Records Act. If you are not the intended recipient, > please contact the sender and destroy all copies of this message. > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Dear All: Thank you all for your responses and enlightening yet sad fact of the plight of the German Bohemians. I believe the world like me is naïve of these historical facts which not only remain hidden but is resolutely covered up. Sincerely, Moses Major Moses C. Theimer Assistant Professor New Mexico Military Institute Communications Department 101 West College Boulevard Roswell, New Mexico 88201 (505)624-8202 [email protected] www.nmmi.edu Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail, including all attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited unless specifically provided under the New Mexico Inspection of Public Records Act. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and destroy all copies of this message.

Hello Moses, Here is information on "your" Sternberk Castle: http://www.hrad-sternberk.cz/en/ Jiri Osanec Dne 31.3.2010 22:44, Theimer, Moses napsal(a): > Thank you Harold for bringing that up. The Sternberg (now Sternberk) I was referring to is where the Sternberg castle exist. The many websites do not share why it has this German name. Is it a German Castle? > > Moses > > Major Moses C. Theimer > Assistant Professor > New Mexico Military Institute > Communications Department > 101 West College Boulevard > Roswell, New Mexico 88201 > (505)624-8202 > [email protected] > www.nmmi.edu > > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 13:27:38 -0600 > From: "Harold Bratsko"<[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Theimer- Bohemian or Moravian ? > To:<[email protected]> > Message-ID:<[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Moses, > > I found a Sternberk, Czech Republic, Sternberg, Austria,4 Sternbergs in Germany. Below is a link to Moravian message board. [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> . > > Harold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Theimer, Moses<mailto:[email protected]> > To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 11:10 AM > Subject: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Theimer- Bohemian or Moravian ? > > > Dear All: > > I just received some documents from the Czech Republic that my Grandfather Bruno Theimer was born in Sternberg. I always thought that the this area was Bohemian however I am finding out that it was Moravian. Can someone please clarify this and if this may be correct guild me to a website for Moravians. Any information is greatly appreciated. Thank you. > > Moses > > > > > Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail, including all attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited unless specifically provided under the New Mexico Inspection of Public Records Act. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and destroy all copies of this message. > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I concur with Frank Soural. We need to know which Sternberg you are referring to. The Moravian one near Olmütz (Olomouc) or the Bohemian one East of Prague in the Benesov area. If it is the latter, there is a listing on page 386 of an alloidal possession administered with other estate holdings in the Listing of Country Estates held by the nobility in the Kingdom of Bohemia. You can find it on this link with an addendum of personnel they employed and an alphabetical listing of the estates: This here contains the presently named "Cesky Sternberk", not the Moravian, because that is administered differently. * http://books.google.com/books?id=ugIEAAAAMAAJ&dq=%22topografisch+statistischer%22+schematismus+des+grossgrundbesitzes+im+koenigreiche+bohmen&printsec=frontcover&source=web&ots=uSUoOK9O8o&sig=VGkjUODipFf5_5vo1g0_qHuv9NA#v=onepage&q=&f=false * For the a littel Moravian History go to: http://www.1911encyclopedia.org/Moravia The Graf of Sternberg in connection to the Duke of Brünn started the town of Sternberg Moravia in the 13. Century. This is copied from the history of Sternberg, Moravia: "*STERNBERG,* a town of Austria <http://www.1911encyclopedia.org/Austria>, in Moravia <http://www.1911encyclopedia.org/Moravia>, 73 m. N.E. of Briinn by rail. Pop. (1900), 15,195, almost exclusively German. It is the chief seat of the Moravian cotton<http://www.1911encyclopedia.org/Cotton_%28disambiguation%29>industry, and it also carries on the manufacture of linen <http://www.1911encyclopedia.org/Linen>, stockings, liqueurs<http://www.1911encyclopedia.org/Liqueurs>, sugar <http://www.1911encyclopedia.org/Sugar> and bricks. Fruit<http://www.1911encyclopedia.org/Fruit>, especially cherries, and tobacco <http://www.1911encyclopedia.org/Tobacco>are grown in the neighbourhood. Sternberg is said to have grown up under the shelter of a castle <http://www.1911encyclopedia.org/Castle> founded by Yaroslav of Sternberg. on the site of his victory over the Mongols<http://www.1911encyclopedia.org/Mongols>in 1241." Aida On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 10:16 PM, Jiří Ošanec <[email protected]> wrote: > Hello Moses, > > Here is information on "your" Sternberk Castle: > http://www.hrad-sternberk.cz/en/ > > Jiri Osanec > > Dne 31.3.2010 22:44, Theimer, Moses napsal(a): > > Thank you Harold for bringing that up. The Sternberg (now Sternberk) I > was referring to is where the Sternberg castle exist. The many websites do > not share why it has this German name. Is it a German Castle? > > > > Moses > > > > Major Moses C. Theimer > > Assistant Professor > > New Mexico Military Institute > > Communications Department > > 101 West College Boulevard > > Roswell, New Mexico 88201 > > (505)624-8202 > > [email protected] > > www.nmmi.edu > > > > > > Message: 4 > > Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 13:27:38 -0600 > > From: "Harold Bratsko"<[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Theimer- Bohemian or Moravian ? > > To:<[email protected]> > > Message-ID:<[email protected]> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > Moses, > > > > I found a Sternberk, Czech Republic, Sternberg, Austria,4 Sternbergs > in Germany. Below is a link to Moravian message board. > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> . > > > > > Harold > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Theimer, Moses<mailto:[email protected]> > > To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > > Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 11:10 AM > > Subject: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Theimer- Bohemian or Moravian ? > > > > > > Dear All: > > > > I just received some documents from the Czech Republic that my > Grandfather Bruno Theimer was born in Sternberg. I always thought that the > this area was Bohemian however I am finding out that it was Moravian. Can > someone please clarify this and if this may be correct guild me to a website > for Moravians. Any information is greatly appreciated. Thank you. > > > > Moses > > > > > > > > > > Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail, including all attachments, is for > the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and > privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or > distribution is prohibited unless specifically provided under the New Mexico > Inspection of Public Records Act. If you are not the intended recipient, > please contact the sender and destroy all copies of this message. > > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Moses - Your problem is that both the Bohemian and Moravian Sternberg have castles. As I suggested to you earlier to look up documents that your ancestor may have left behind. If you find them several members of the GBHS list can translate them for you. (Aida and I are two). Once you know the right place you can then hire a Czech researcher who can get you copies of the originals. I know a few who are reasonable. Frank German Script Reader (BYU) German ancestry project -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Theimer, Moses Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 4:44 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] RE GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Theimer- Bohemian or Moravian? Thank you Harold for bringing that up. The Sternberg (now Sternberk) I was referring to is where the Sternberg castle exist. The many websites do not share why it has this German name. Is it a German Castle? Moses Major Moses C. Theimer Assistant Professor New Mexico Military Institute Communications Department 101 West College Boulevard Roswell, New Mexico 88201 (505)624-8202 [email protected] www.nmmi.edu Message: 4 Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 13:27:38 -0600 From: "Harold Bratsko" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Theimer- Bohemian or Moravian ? To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Moses, I found a Sternberk, Czech Republic, Sternberg, Austria,4 Sternbergs in Germany. Below is a link to Moravian message board. [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> . Harold ----- Original Message ----- From: Theimer, Moses<mailto:[email protected]> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 11:10 AM Subject: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Theimer- Bohemian or Moravian ? Dear All: I just received some documents from the Czech Republic that my Grandfather Bruno Theimer was born in Sternberg. I always thought that the this area was Bohemian however I am finding out that it was Moravian. Can someone please clarify this and if this may be correct guild me to a website for Moravians. Any information is greatly appreciated. Thank you. Moses Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail, including all attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited unless specifically provided under the New Mexico Inspection of Public Records Act. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and destroy all copies of this message. German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yes, the entire area of Bohemia had German settlements before the expulsion after WW2. You should have an explanatory email from me in your mail box. Aida On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 10:16 PM, Jiří Ošanec <[email protected]> wrote: > Hello Moses, > > Here is information on "your" Sternberk Castle: > http://www.hrad-sternberk.cz/en/ > > Jiri Osanec > > Dne 31.3.2010 22:44, Theimer, Moses napsal(a): > > Thank you Harold for bringing that up. The Sternberg (now Sternberk) I > was referring to is where the Sternberg castle exist. The many websites do > not share why it has this German name. Is it a German Castle? > > > > Moses > > > > Major Moses C. Theimer > > Assistant Professor > > New Mexico Military Institute > > Communications Department > > 101 West College Boulevard > > Roswell, New Mexico 88201 > > (505)624-8202 > > [email protected] > > www.nmmi.edu > > > > > > Message: 4 > > Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 13:27:38 -0600 > > From: "Harold Bratsko"<[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Theimer- Bohemian or Moravian ? > > To:<[email protected]> > > Message-ID:<[email protected]> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > Moses, > > > > I found a Sternberk, Czech Republic, Sternberg, Austria,4 Sternbergs > in Germany. Below is a link to Moravian message board. > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> . > > > > > Harold > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Theimer, Moses<mailto:[email protected]> > > To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > > Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 11:10 AM > > Subject: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Theimer- Bohemian or Moravian ? > > > > > > Dear All: > > > > I just received some documents from the Czech Republic that my > Grandfather Bruno Theimer was born in Sternberg. I always thought that the > this area was Bohemian however I am finding out that it was Moravian. Can > someone please clarify this and if this may be correct guild me to a website > for Moravians. Any information is greatly appreciated. Thank you. > > > > Moses > > > > > > > > > > Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail, including all attachments, is for > the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and > privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or > distribution is prohibited unless specifically provided under the New Mexico > Inspection of Public Records Act. If you are not the intended recipient, > please contact the sender and destroy all copies of this message. > > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

_http://www.huffingtonpost.com/megan-smolenyak-smolenyak/your-family-belongs -in-a_b_516258.html_ (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/megan-smolenyak-smolenyak/your-family-belongs-in-a_b_516258.html) The Belgian Red Star Line is seeking stories of emigrants to the US who left Europe from Antwerp. They may include quite a number of Ethnic German men who were avoiding the draft or who were leaving their homeland (Bohemia as an example) without having fulfilled their military obligation -- deserters, men still in reserves, draft dodgers, etc. Antwerp did not check Germans for travel passports during the early years and many men escaped via Red Star Lines. The stories they get may end up in the new museum in Antwerp that is due to open in the spring of 2012. If you know your ancestor traveled out of Antwerp, contact the museum if you have stories to submit. e-mail: [email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected] n.be) tel. +32 3 206 03 50 (9:00-16:00 CET) website: _www.redstarline.org_ (http://www.redstarline.org) Karen

Gee, Karen. I have ancestors who came on a Red Star line ship out of Antwerp. Please tell me not all were dodging draft or military obligation. I regard Megan Smolelnyak-Smolenyak as an authority. Does the url imply she is advertising this particular opportunity on the HuffPost? I will be looking for another source for information on this opportunity. If you know of another one, I would be most appreciative. Barbara Boucher ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 3:06 PM Subject: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Antwerp emigration museum seeks emigre stories > _http://www.huffingtonpost.com/megan-smolenyak-smolenyak/your-family-belongs > -in-a_b_516258.html_ > (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/megan-smolenyak-smolenyak/your-family-belongs-in-a_b_516258.html) > > The Belgian Red Star Line is seeking stories of emigrants to the US who > left Europe from > Antwerp. > > They may include quite a number of Ethnic German men who were avoiding > the draft or who were leaving their homeland (Bohemia as an example) > without having > fulfilled their military obligation -- deserters, men still in reserves, > draft dodgers, etc. > > Antwerp did not check Germans for travel passports during the early years > and many > men escaped via Red Star Lines. > > The stories they get may end up in the new museum in Antwerp that is due > to > open in the spring of 2012. > > If you know your ancestor traveled out of Antwerp, contact the museum if > you have > stories to submit. > > e-mail: [email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected] > n.be) > tel. +32 3 206 03 50 (9:00-16:00 CET) > website: _www.redstarline.org_ (http://www.redstarline.org) > Karen > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you Harold for bringing that up. The Sternberg (now Sternberk) I was referring to is where the Sternberg castle exist. The many websites do not share why it has this German name. Is it a German Castle? Moses Major Moses C. Theimer Assistant Professor New Mexico Military Institute Communications Department 101 West College Boulevard Roswell, New Mexico 88201 (505)624-8202 [email protected] www.nmmi.edu Message: 4 Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 13:27:38 -0600 From: "Harold Bratsko" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Theimer- Bohemian or Moravian ? To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Moses, I found a Sternberk, Czech Republic, Sternberg, Austria,4 Sternbergs in Germany. Below is a link to Moravian message board. [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> . Harold ----- Original Message ----- From: Theimer, Moses<mailto:[email protected]> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 11:10 AM Subject: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Theimer- Bohemian or Moravian ? Dear All: I just received some documents from the Czech Republic that my Grandfather Bruno Theimer was born in Sternberg. I always thought that the this area was Bohemian however I am finding out that it was Moravian. Can someone please clarify this and if this may be correct guild me to a website for Moravians. Any information is greatly appreciated. Thank you. Moses Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail, including all attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited unless specifically provided under the New Mexico Inspection of Public Records Act. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and destroy all copies of this message.

Dear Dick: Congratulation on a REAL BREAKTHROUGH..... yes all descendants of immigrants can admire the efforts their ancestors put into their immigration to America. It was probably far harder with Conestoga wagons to the West. But even "newer" times were mass transportation was already available were not easy either. Everything considered, the very best about it is, that the efforts of your ancestry has spared their following generations the hunger years and miseries of two world wars in Europe. For that alone you can give thanks in your remembrance. I am happy that you have shared your findings with us and it is good to know that new material is becoming available as time goes by. Well done, Dick, you really used all information presented to you. We are proud of you and share your break through! Aida --------------------------------------- On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 10:35 AM, dick zimbrick <[email protected]> wrote: > A while back on this forum it was mentioned that a lot of new data from > Ellis Island and other places was being made public due to the hard work of > many geneologists and others. I just found, after years of searching, the > recently published Veendam ship passenger list for the Zimbrick and Karsky > families who left Bohemia in the 1860's for the Crimea then to the USA in > 1894 by way of Rotterdam. So, if you been seaching for these families or > other Bohemian families coming to America, there is a lot of new data out > there. I found my info thru Ancestry.com. Dick Zimbrick > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

A while back on this forum it was mentioned that a lot of new data from Ellis Island and other places was being made public due to the hard work of many geneologists and others. I just found, after years of searching, the recently published Veendam ship passenger list for the Zimbrick and Karsky families who left Bohemia in the 1860's for the Crimea then to the USA in 1894 by way of Rotterdam. So, if you been seaching for these families or other Bohemian families coming to America, there is a lot of new data out there. I found my info thru Ancestry.com. Dick Zimbrick

In a message dated 3/30/2010 10:22:51 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, Moses writes: and requested for a copy of my grandfather birth certificate. I however got a document with my grandfather's information. I felt a little disappointed however better than nothing. I paid $30 for this information. ************************************** Moses, If the contents of that archive are like the other archives, they have no certificates to be copied, since there was no formal birth certificate filed at the source of the information. The information on the certificate will extracted either from a baptismal/church book, or from a civil record book, in which case the information you want and should have asked for is a photo copy (or at least a complete transcription) of the original record. The archives do issue 'certificates', and that information can be used for any legal purpose requiring that type of document. These purposes do not need all the information in the original record, so the archivists don't put it in (There is usually a form they fill out with places only for certain info). I have a couple of 'certificates' issued by the records source and they have good information, but found the original document has all the wonderful information that you need/want for genealogical purposes. Anettka

Moses: Thank you for the info. Bill Forshay - San Antonio, TX ________________________________ From: "Theimer, Moses" <[email protected]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Sent: Tue, March 30, 2010 8:56:36 AM Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Theimer- Bohemian or Moravian ? (Bill Forshay) Hey Bill: I contacted the Zemsky Archiv Opava, Pobocka OLOMOUC and I believe the point person is Dr. Stanislava Kovarova email- [email protected] and requested for a copy of my grandfather birth certificate. I however got a document with my grandfather's information. I felt a little disappointed however better than nothing. I paid $30 for this information. Moses Major Moses C. Theimer Assistant Professor New Mexico Military Institute Communications Department 101 West College Boulevard Roswell, New Mexico 88201 (505)624-8202 [email protected] www.nmmi.edu Message: 5 Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 12:52:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Bill Forshay <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Theimer- Bohemian or Moravian ? To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Moses: Could you tell me how you found those records? Did you hire a researcher or dig them out of the internet? I'm pretty sure where my wife's family came from. But the town has beeen destroyed now. I don't know where the records would be located now. Bill Forshay - San Antonio, TX Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail, including all attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited unless specifically provided under the New Mexico Inspection of Public Records Act. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and destroy all copies of this message. German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I tried to get my own birth certificate, which was issued originally in the German language, because this document was kept by the American Consulate with our emigration application. It was never returned to us, instead we were issued a green card upon arrival. But often one is asked for a birth certificate, and as luck has it, my husband and I had our Ahnenpass (genealogical pass where the entire lineage is officially recorded) of which we made a copy of our birth entry. But as soon as the wall fell, I wrote to the registrar of my hometown for a copy of my birth certificate. What I got back was a birth certificate written entirely in the Czech language to which the Czech ending "ova" was applied to my maiden name. In other words, all German Bohemians born there are now visible only as being of Czech ethnicity. These new records are giving the appearance as if no Germans had ever lived there, while in fact they have lived there for many centuries. Newer studies have revealed that the theory of German settlements in Bohemia beginning in the 14th century is only half true, because these settlers arrived in areas where German speaking people had always resided. Excavations show Germanic artifacts of ancient dates and certainly older than 2000 years. The Slavic population of middle Europe happened around 600 A.D. As new information comes to the fore, a part of history, as it is presented now, will have to be rewritten. The entire area of Bohemia is pocketed with German population like the holes of a Swiss Cheese, stemming from the fact that the Hussite wars have driven have driven the German population to the mountainous areas surrounding the huge Bohemian bowl which geologically is thought to be a huge volcanic crater. The widely distributed finds of Bohemian red garnets will bear that out, and can be compared to the obsidian rock findings in the Cascade range of Oregon. Therefore, it will help immensely if our wide readership on this list will keeps us abreast of new literature being made available of which Karen's posts - for example - many Eastmann publications which are of the greatest value to be scanned. We are all "old people" sharing our eyewitness experience with you of "the way it was". It is very important that the younger generation picks up good, credible, and absolute correct information for their family research. Many young Americans are no longer sure of their ancestors history or ethnicity, and it will be most confusing if they receive records in languages other than the language in which the original records of their families were issued. Aida ---------------------------------- On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 6:56 AM, Theimer, Moses <[email protected]> wrote: > Hey Bill: > > I contacted the Zemsky Archiv Opava, Pobocka OLOMOUC and I believe the > point person is Dr. Stanislava Kovarova email- [email protected] and > requested for a copy of my grandfather birth certificate. I however got a > document with my grandfather's information. I felt a little disappointed > however better than nothing. I paid $30 for this information. > > Moses > > Major Moses C. Theimer > Assistant Professor > New Mexico Military Institute > Communications Department > 101 West College Boulevard > Roswell, New Mexico 88201 > (505)624-8202 > [email protected] > www.nmmi.edu > > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 12:52:38 -0700 (PDT) > From: Bill Forshay <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Theimer- Bohemian or Moravian ? > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Moses: > > Could you tell me how you found those records? Did you hire a > researcher or dig them out of the internet? I'm pretty sure where my wife's > family came from. But the town has beeen destroyed now. I don't know where > the records would be located now. > > Bill Forshay - San Antonio, TX > > Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail, including all attachments, is for the > sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and > privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or > distribution is prohibited unless specifically provided under the New Mexico > Inspection of Public Records Act. If you are not the intended recipient, > please contact the sender and destroy all copies of this message. > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hey Bill: I contacted the Zemsky Archiv Opava, Pobocka OLOMOUC and I believe the point person is Dr. Stanislava Kovarova email- [email protected] and requested for a copy of my grandfather birth certificate. I however got a document with my grandfather's information. I felt a little disappointed however better than nothing. I paid $30 for this information. Moses Major Moses C. Theimer Assistant Professor New Mexico Military Institute Communications Department 101 West College Boulevard Roswell, New Mexico 88201 (505)624-8202 [email protected] www.nmmi.edu Message: 5 Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 12:52:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Bill Forshay <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Theimer- Bohemian or Moravian ? To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Moses: Could you tell me how you found those records? Did you hire a researcher or dig them out of the internet? I'm pretty sure where my wife's family came from. But the town has beeen destroyed now. I don't know where the records would be located now. Bill Forshay - San Antonio, TX Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail, including all attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited unless specifically provided under the New Mexico Inspection of Public Records Act. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and destroy all copies of this message.

On 3/29/2010 11:09 PM, [email protected] wrote: > Hi Frank, > > The link didn't seem to work. Could you take a second look at it? > > Thanks, > > Elaine > It just worked okay for me. Lorraine

Group, I see what I just sent also shows the site duplicated but not on the sent version. When you see the .org once it is finished. I have no idea why it is duplicating itself. Frank ----- Original Message ----- From: Frank hanosek<mailto:[email protected]> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> ; [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 5:06 AM Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] New digital films at familysearchlabs Group, When I looked at what was sent it shows only one occurrence of the link, but looking at what you received is that the link duplicated itself. Try again at https://labs.familysearch.org<https://labs.familysearch.org/<https://labs.familysearch.org%3chttps//labs.familysearch.org/>>. Sorry. Frank ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]>> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]>> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 10:09 PM Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] New digital films at familysearchlabs Hi Frank, The link didn't seem to work. Could you take a second look at it? Thanks, Elaine -----Original Message----- >From: Frank hanosek <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]>>> >Sent: Mar 29, 2010 11:24 PM >To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]>>, [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]>> >Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] New digital films at familysearchlabs > >Karen and all, As Microfilm get indexed they are put on https://labs.familysearch.org/.<https://labs.familysearch.org/<https://labs.familysearch.org/.%3Chttps://labs.familysearch.org/<https://labs.familysearch.org/.%3Chttps://labs.familysearch.org/%3Chttps://labs.familysearch.org/.%3Chttps://labs.familysearch.org/>>> Scroll down and click on 'Record Search' and then click on 'Browse our record collection'. It brings up a map of the world. Click on the area of the world that interests you or click on 'Search indexed records' to see list the files available you. >Frank > ----- Original Message ----- > From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]>>> > To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]>>> > Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 4:51 PM > Subject: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] New digital films at familysearchlabs > > > FHL indexers have been working on the following since June 2009. > Possibly some of these films are already online at FamilySearchLabs. > > Labs site should include a digital copy of each record in a film. > > Czech Republic, Litomerice Kirchenbücher, 1552–1905 [Part 1] Deutschland, > Baden—Kirchenbücher, 1810-1869 Mexico DF Registros Parroquiales, 1886– > 1933 [Part 1] South Africa, Cape Province Dutch Reformed Church, 1660–1970 > U.S., Illinois, Cook County Birth Certificates, 1916–1922 [Part 2] U.S., > Massachusetts Marriages, 1896–1897 U.S., Minnesota 1885 State Census > > Note that the MN 1885 and 1895 Census are very important > since much of the US Federal 1890 census is unavailable. > > Karen > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/<http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/<http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/%3Chttp://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/<http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/%3Chttp://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/%3Chttp://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/%3Chttp://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/>>> > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]>>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/<http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/<http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/%3Chttp://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/>> >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/<http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/<http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/%3Chttp://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/>> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/<http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Group, When I looked at what was sent it shows only one occurrence of the link, but looking at what you received is that the link duplicated itself. Try again at https://labs.familysearch.org<https://labs.familysearch.org/>. Sorry. Frank ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 10:09 PM Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] New digital films at familysearchlabs Hi Frank, The link didn't seem to work. Could you take a second look at it? Thanks, Elaine -----Original Message----- >From: Frank hanosek <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> >Sent: Mar 29, 2010 11:24 PM >To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>, [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] New digital films at familysearchlabs > >Karen and all, As Microfilm get indexed they are put on https://labs.familysearch.org/.<https://labs.familysearch.org/<https://labs.familysearch.org/.%3Chttps://labs.familysearch.org/>> Scroll down and click on 'Record Search' and then click on 'Browse our record collection'. It brings up a map of the world. Click on the area of the world that interests you or click on 'Search indexed records' to see list the files available you. >Frank > ----- Original Message ----- > From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]>> > To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]>> > Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 4:51 PM > Subject: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] New digital films at familysearchlabs > > > FHL indexers have been working on the following since June 2009. > Possibly some of these films are already online at FamilySearchLabs. > > Labs site should include a digital copy of each record in a film. > > Czech Republic, Litomerice Kirchenbücher, 1552–1905 [Part 1] Deutschland, > Baden—Kirchenbücher, 1810-1869 Mexico DF Registros Parroquiales, 1886– > 1933 [Part 1] South Africa, Cape Province Dutch Reformed Church, 1660–1970 > U.S., Illinois, Cook County Birth Certificates, 1916–1922 [Part 2] U.S., > Massachusetts Marriages, 1896–1897 U.S., Minnesota 1885 State Census > > Note that the MN 1885 and 1895 Census are very important > since much of the US Federal 1890 census is unavailable. > > Karen > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/<http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/<http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/%3Chttp://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/>> > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/<http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/> >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/<http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Frank, The link didn't seem to work. Could you take a second look at it? Thanks, Elaine -----Original Message----- >From: Frank hanosek <[email protected]> >Sent: Mar 29, 2010 11:24 PM >To: [email protected], [email protected] >Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] New digital films at familysearchlabs > >Karen and all, As Microfilm get indexed they are put on https://labs.familysearch.org/.<https://labs.familysearch.org/> Scroll down and click on 'Record Search' and then click on 'Browse our record collection'. It brings up a map of the world. Click on the area of the world that interests you or click on 'Search indexed records' to see list the files available you. >Frank > ----- Original Message ----- > From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 4:51 PM > Subject: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] New digital films at familysearchlabs > > > FHL indexers have been working on the following since June 2009. > Possibly some of these films are already online at FamilySearchLabs. > > Labs site should include a digital copy of each record in a film. > > Czech Republic, Litomerice Kirchenbücher, 1552–1905 [Part 1] Deutschland, > Baden—Kirchenbücher, 1810-1869 Mexico DF Registros Parroquiales, 1886– > 1933 [Part 1] South Africa, Cape Province Dutch Reformed Church, 1660–1970 > U.S., Illinois, Cook County Birth Certificates, 1916–1922 [Part 2] U.S., > Massachusetts Marriages, 1896–1897 U.S., Minnesota 1885 State Census > > Note that the MN 1885 and 1895 Census are very important > since much of the US Federal 1890 census is unavailable. > > Karen > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/<http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/> > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message