Pam: The term "Czechoslovakia" was coined in 1918, not before. The picture looks older, I would say before that time. One would need to know for what purpose this picture was taken. In 1878 your ancestors were Austrian Hungarians from Bohemia or Moravia. I don't know what this M stands for, unless they were from Moravia, instead of Bohemia, do you know? Bohemia, Moravia and Slovakia were combined to form a new country from Austrian monarchical lands and they called this combined area the Republic of Czechoslovakia, as of 1918. The men's fashion in that picture looks to me like pre-WW1 (1914-1918), because after WW1 they did not wear these pointed collars anymore. They had starched white shirt collars without the points, but the collar then, was still separate from the shirt and was delivered from the laundry in a round satchel. Then, in the late 1920 they started to have regular men's shirts, pretty much the way they are now, but still VERY starched. Do you know the person in that picture and what was the reason for this photograph? Usually they photographed groom and bride separately as well as together at the wedding photographer, or it might have been for a professional promotion, or perhaps even an enlargement of a passport photo?, But it could also be that someone brought a frame from what was already Czechoslovakia and gave it to your relatives and they put an old picture in it. Do you know? Aida On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 5:00 PM, PJ Vazquez <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > Among my family's old photos there is a very old looking ornate frame with > an old photo. The person is not identified. On the back of the frame > there is a stamping "M. Czecho-slovakia". I wonder if any one knows what > that means? What does the "M" stand for? At what time period would > Bohemia have been called as such? > > > > My ancestors emigrated from Librec area 1878. > > > > Here is a link to see the photo: I hope it will work for you. > > > http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v229/PJ2004/Geneology/MCzecho-slovakia.jpg > > > > > > Thanks, Pam > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks for the report, Karen, that was inspiring! Looks like everything went fine for you and I'm glad that you are back! Happy Springtime! Aida On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 2:36 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > The first settlers in Minnesota's "wheatlands" arrived on foot - walking > from the nearest > river port along the Mississippi. They struggled through prairie grass > that was often as > tall as they were to find the place where they would stop to build. > > The group of Germans who established New Ulm arrived about 1853. They > included > the Bernhard Reinhardt family who paddled rafts and walked along the > Minnesota River > to the point they chose to camp during the first winter. > > It was an abandoned Lakota camp with teepees containing some blankets and > other supplies > left behind because there had been a smallpox epidemic among the indians. > Some of > the Indianr dead were still there,tied to trees in open "burials" leaving > them for the birds to pick the bones > clean. The dead left behind also warned anyone passing by that there was > smallpox in > the camp. > > By 1853 vaccination was fairly common in Europe and where it was not, there > had been > enough exposure to Smallpox that it was endemic and anyone who caught it > did not get > all that sick. Small children and elderly were the ones most at risk > that first winter > these first settlers spent in Indian teepees and although there was some > sickness > it seemed to be only isolated cases. > > The Indians returned in the spring and they were angry to see strangers > using their > camp, including Bernhardt Reinhardt and his family. His ten-year-old > daughter, Anna, > was among them. She later married my great uncle and as a pioneer > settler of the > area, she was well-known and highly respected. Her obituary was the > featured headline > on the front page of the Fairfax Standard. > > The Fairfax Standard had a number of interesting stories about the RR > arriving in Fairfax MN (south central MN) in 1872. The railhead was at > Fairfax > for some time while supplies for continued construction > farther west could be stockpiled. > > Fairfax was at a crossroad where an E-W roadway met the N-S main road to > New Ulm. > Back then the area farms were still being developed but wheat seemed > to be a preferred crop. Maybe that was because the farmers mostly needed > it to feed themselves at first. > > Fairfax which was a little village with one hotel / restaurant, a general > store and a > few houses at the time. > > The hotel was owned by an Irish family who were said to have had a > beautiful daughter > and six sons. The Irish were clanish and did not welcome mixing socially > with the > largely German population in the nearby area. Fortunately there was a > large Irish > settlement NE of Fairfax in Green Isle County (founded by Bishop Ireland) > so they > could have a social life if they had time for it. > > The Irish innkeeper's sons were very protective of their sister and the > story told > in the Fairfax Centennial editions of the Fairfax Standard and in the > Centennial book > published by the same local newspaper was that German customers were > welcome > to use the hotel and to eat in the restaurant, but that was all. If any > unmarried German farmer > were too friendly with their sister as she worked in the restaurant, the > six boys > would be waiting for him when he left the place. Their warnings to stay > away from their sister would be punctuatted with bruising punches that > would > be enough to discourage any young man. > > My great uncle Adelbert / Albert Traegner's wife was a very pretty Irish > woman who had worked in a restaurant before they married. I have often > wondered if she were the same daughter of > the Fairfax innkeeper. The Traegner farm was just a few miles south > of Fairfax, almost on the main N-S road. Albert probably made frequent > visits to Fairfax rather > than go farther to New Ulm once the RR came through and the town developed > its main street. > > A lot of the RR workers and track-layers were Irish and they were a rowdy, > hard drinking group. For a while after the railhead reached Fairfax the > town was pretty much like any "wild West" town with gunfire heard fairly > frequently. Gun-toting gamblers and "Shady Ladies" working out of their > own > rail cars followed the track-layers as they arrived and then left with them > when they moved on. > > One of the first RR-inspired enterprises to go up in Fairfax was a shanty > that > served as a stand-up bar and liquor store. The owner built it quickly > in order to get his stock of bottles on sale as soon as possible. > He did a huge business with the RR workers from the moment > he opened on the first day. That night he locked up as best he could and > went elsewhere to sleep. When he returned the next day he found that > his "bar" had been robbed and all his remaining stock was gone. > > He was not too cooncerned -- he had made so much money the first day that > he > was able to start over with a more proper building and new stock that > arrived > on one of the next trains. > > Leo and I watched an old movie titled "Union Pacific" a few nights ago. > It was about > rowdy Irish track layers who built the tracks of the first cross-country RR > from > Nebraska to Promontory Point in Utah. There the California and East > tracks joined > the Nebraska and West system. The movie starred all the most famous > Irish actors > (Eroll Flynn, Joel McCrea, etc.) . It showed how the track-layers lived > and how the > businessmen who fed on them were able to set up at every "next railhead". > The > saloons, casinos, restaurants, laundries and other services were housed in > buildings that had prefabricated walls. They were simply taken apart and > shipped > on to the next railhead or workers camp when the trains moved on. > > I thought of what I had read about Fairfax in 1872 while we watched that > movie. > > I remember that while I was growing up the wheatlands of central and > southwest > MN supplied important mills in the twin cities (General Mills) and in Red > Wing (where I > was born) Winona and other river towns like New Ulm and LeSueur. > > Recently when we have visited MN I have seen few wheatfields compared to > what I remember when I was younger. Corn, soybeans and other crops seem > to MN moneycrops > now. At least that is how it appears in South-Central MN when I have been > there. > Maybe wheat is still important farther west in MN -- perhaps closer to the > Dakotas. > > Karen > > > In a message dated 8/5/2009 5:30:58 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > I am interested in the train routes that my family traveled on from > Chicago, Illinois to the Wheatland area of Minnesota.? This would be near > Minneapolis, Minnesota. > Shirley > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Karen,   Tanks for posting this message regarding laying of train tracks in MI.  Very interesting. Sir John, Earl of Berkshire What good is information if not shared with others? --- On Fri, 4/23/10, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: From: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Train Travel To: [email protected] Date: Friday, April 23, 2010, 4:36 PM The first settlers in Minnesota's "wheatlands" arrived on foot - walking  from the nearest river port along the Mississippi.   They struggled through  prairie grass that was often as tall as they were to find the place where they would stop to build. The group of Germans who established New Ulm arrived about  1853.   They included the Bernhard Reinhardt family who paddled rafts and walked along the  Minnesota River to the point they chose to camp during the first winter. It was an abandoned Lakota camp with teepees containing some blankets  and other supplies left behind because there had been a smallpox epidemic among the  indians.  Some of the Indianr dead were still there,tied to trees in open "burials"  leaving them for the birds to pick the bones clean.  The dead left behind also warned anyone passing by that there  was smallpox in the camp. By 1853 vaccination was fairly common in Europe and where it was not, there had been enough exposure to Smallpox that it was endemic and anyone who caught it  did not get all that sick.   Small children and elderly were the ones most at  risk that first winter these first settlers spent in Indian teepees and although there was some  sickness it seemed to be only isolated cases. The Indians returned in the spring and they were angry to see strangers  using their camp, including Bernhardt Reinhardt and his family.  His ten-year-old  daughter, Anna, was among them.   She later married my great uncle and as a  pioneer settler of the area, she was well-known and highly respected.   Her obituary was  the featured headline on the front page of the Fairfax Standard. The Fairfax Standard had a number of interesting stories about the RR  arriving in Fairfax MN (south central MN) in 1872. The railhead was at Fairfax  for some time while supplies for continued construction farther west could be stockpiled.  Fairfax was at a crossroad where an E-W roadway met the N-S main road to  New Ulm. Back then the area farms were still being developed but wheat  seemed to be a preferred crop.   Maybe that was because the farmers  mostly needed it to feed themselves  at first. Fairfax which was a little village with one hotel / restaurant, a general  store and a few houses at the time.    The  hotel was owned by an Irish family who were said to have had a  beautiful daughter and six sons.   The Irish were clanish and did not welcome mixing  socially with the largely German population in the nearby area.  Fortunately there was a  large Irish settlement NE of Fairfax in Green Isle County (founded by Bishop Ireland)  so they could have a social life if they had time for it. The Irish innkeeper's sons were very protective of their sister and the  story told in the Fairfax Centennial editions of the Fairfax Standard  and  in the Centennial book published by the same local newspaper was that German customers were  welcome to use the hotel and to eat in the restaurant, but that was  all.   If any unmarried German farmer were too friendly with their sister as she worked in the restaurant, the  six boys would be waiting for him when he left the place.   Their warnings  to stay away from their sister would be punctuatted with bruising punches that  would be enough to discourage any young man. My great uncle Adelbert / Albert Traegner's wife was a very pretty Irish  woman who had worked in a restaurant before they married.  I have often  wondered if she were the same daughter of the Fairfax innkeeper.   The Traegner farm was just a few miles  south of Fairfax, almost on the main N-S road.  Albert probably made  frequent visits to Fairfax rather than go farther to New Ulm once the RR came through and the town developed  its main street. A lot of the RR workers and track-layers were Irish and they were a rowdy, hard drinking group.  For a while after the railhead reached Fairfax  the town was pretty much like any "wild West" town with gunfire heard  fairly frequently.   Gun-toting gamblers and "Shady Ladies" working out  of their own rail cars followed the track-layers as they arrived and then left with them when they moved on. One of the first RR-inspired enterprises to go up in Fairfax was a shanty  that served as a stand-up bar and liquor store.   The owner  built it quickly in order to get his stock of bottles on sale as soon as  possible.    He did a huge business with the RR workers from the moment he opened on the first day.  That night he locked up as best he could  and went elsewhere to sleep.  When he returned the next day he found  that his "bar" had been robbed and all his remaining stock was gone. He was not too cooncerned -- he had made so much money the first day that  he was able to start over with a more proper building and new stock that  arrived on one of the next trains. Leo and I watched an old movie titled "Union Pacific" a few nights  ago.  It was about rowdy Irish track layers who built the tracks of the first cross-country RR from Nebraska to Promontory Point in Utah.  There the California and East  tracks joined the Nebraska and West system.   The movie starred all the most  famous Irish actors (Eroll Flynn, Joel McCrea, etc.) .  It showed how the track-layers  lived and how the businessmen who fed on them were able to set up at every "next  railhead".  The saloons, casinos, restaurants, laundries and other services were housed  in buildings that had prefabricated walls.   They were simply taken  apart and shipped on to the next railhead or workers camp when the trains moved on. I thought of what I had read about Fairfax in 1872 while we watched that  movie. I remember that while I was growing up the wheatlands of central and  southwest MN supplied important mills in the twin cities (General Mills) and in Red  Wing (where I was born)  Winona and other river towns like New Ulm and  LeSueur. Recently when we have visited MN I have seen few wheatfields compared  to what I remember when I was younger.   Corn, soybeans and other  crops seem to MN moneycrops now.  At least that is how it appears in South-Central MN when I  have been there. Maybe wheat is still important farther west in MN -- perhaps closer to  the Dakotas. Karen In a message dated 8/5/2009 5:30:58 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  [email protected] writes: I am  interested in the train routes that my family traveled on from Chicago,  Illinois to the Wheatland area of Minnesota.? This would be near Minneapolis,  Minnesota. Shirley German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site  http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ ------------------------------- To  unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to  [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the  quotes in the subject and the body of the  message German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jean, I used an old expired passport number and it worked just fine.  I've also heard that any number will do.  Good Luck. Marg --- On Sun, 4/18/10, jean tauer <[email protected]> wrote: From: jean tauer <[email protected]> Subject: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] pilsen archive To: [email protected] Date: Sunday, April 18, 2010, 4:32 PM Hope someone can help me.  I would like to search the new records online from the Pilsen Archive.   I tried registering, but don't know what to put in the area that asks for an ID number.  It is required and I can't seem to get past that.  What am I doing wrong.  Jean Tauer German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jean, it hardly matters what numbers you put in there, either from your Driver's License or Passport. It accepted my Passport number. Try again. Aida On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 3:32 PM, jean tauer <[email protected]> wrote: > Hope someone can help me. I would like to search the new records online > from the Pilsen Archive. I tried registering, but don't know what to put > in the area that asks for an ID number. It is required and I can't seem to > get past that. What am I doing wrong. Jean Tauer > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hope someone can help me.  I would like to search the new records online from the Pilsen Archive.   I tried registering, but don't know what to put in the area that asks for an ID number.  It is required and I can't seem to get past that.  What am I doing wrong.  Jean Tauer

Stephanie: Thank you for your help. My e-mail address is [email protected] If you find they have gone on line can you let me know please? I am researching the surnames: TINGER, CHARA(ova), SCHWAGR (schwager). I do have quite a bit of information on the Tingers, but I want marriages, births, etc. My gg grandfather Miloslav Tingr came to the US @ 1870, I think his wife Antonia Chara was from Resanice. There are no Tingers left in Kasejovice but I believe there are Charas in Resanice but can find no connection so far. Are you researching the same area-what are your surnames? Thanks for any help. Rose antoni ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 2:04 PM Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Pilsen Archives > > > Rose - > > > > the churchbooks for Kasejovice and Resanice are not online yet. Since > Resanice belongs to the parish of Kasejovice they will probably go online > at the same time(don't hold me to that though). Right now the Archives > have listed the towns (in Czech language) up and including the letter J. > > I took a quick look and the Kasejovice books are only 7 pages away (they > start on page 187) from Pilsens last update. Unfortunately I don't know > when they will add more records. > > What names are you researching? > > > > Stephanie :) > > > > PS: If you want to know how to register (it's free) for the Pilsen > archives http://www.actapublica.eu/registrace > > look through some of the older posts in here. If I'm not mistaken there > has been some instructions posted before. > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rosemarie Courbois" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 11:41:45 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Pilsen Archives > > > I need to research the Pilsen Archives for the parishes of Resanice and > Kasejovice. Can anyone tell me how I do this-I only speak English so I am > sure this presents a problem-I would like to know how to proceed. Thanks > for any help you can give. Rose > _________________________________________________________________ > The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. > http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3 > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Rose - the churchbooks for Kasejovice and Resanice are not online yet. Since Resanice belongs to the parish of Kasejovice they will probably go online at the same time(don't hold me to that though). Right now the Archives have listed the towns (in Czech language) up and including the letter J. I took a quick look and the Kasejovice books are only 7 pages away (they start on page 187)  from Pilsens last update. Unfortunately I don't know when they will add more records. What names are you researching? Stephanie :) PS: If you want to know how to register (it's free) for the Pilsen archives http://www.actapublica.eu/registrace look through some of the older posts in here. If I'm not mistaken there has been some instructions posted before. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rosemarie Courbois" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 11:41:45 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Pilsen Archives I need to research the Pilsen Archives for the parishes of Resanice and Kasejovice.  Can anyone tell me how I do this-I only speak English so I am sure this presents a problem-I would like to know how to proceed.  Thanks for any help you can give.  Rose                                                _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3 German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I need to research the Pilsen Archives for the parishes of Resanice and Kasejovice. Can anyone tell me how I do this-I only speak English so I am sure this presents a problem-I would like to know how to proceed. Thanks for any help you can give. Rose _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3

Hello, being new on this list, I would like to post my first message with my general areas of interest. I am German, live a little south of Munich, and started to research and document my family a little over 3 years ago. The family of my mother comes from Bohemia (Sudetendeutsch). She was born in a small village called Dobrenz (Dobrenec) close to Maschau, south of Kaaden. Family names and locations I know about right now are listed below, if other subscribers of this list have such names in their family, I'd be pleased to get in touch to exchange data. Best regards, Ralf (Peters) Dobrenz: MÜLLER FIPPL WILD WILLOMITZER HILLER Deutsch Rust: GRÖBL Puschwitz: SPRANGER WEBER Sichlau near Luditz: ENGL Holletitz: GRÜN or GRIMM Scheles: MÜLLER POSSELT Jurau: GRÖBL Dürmaul: DONNER Protiwitz: KAUTZNER

Ralf, Ralf maybe the instructions below on how to access the online Czech Archivs will be useful for you. I have a friend, Max Hoffman living at Berg Am Starnberger See. Is that near your home. Dear friends, I have some great news for those of us whose Bukowinian ancestors originate from the German area of the Bohemian forest in the west of todays czech republic. The first churchbooks from the archive Pilsen (letters A-J) are online available for free under the adress: http://www.actapublica.eu/ First, you have to find out to which parish your villages belonged and what the czech name for this parish village is, you can do this under: http://www.genteam.at/ Just choose the english version by klicking on the british flag. Then you will first have to register for free. Under the heading ,,gazeteer" on the left bar you will then find the village register. Now that you know the czech name of the church villages which intrests you go to www.actapublica.cz, click ,,Registrace nového uživatele/New registration'' and create a new account (under the heading ,,&#268;íslo OP/Doc. No.'' enter any number you like, it doesn't matter") As you then locked in by clicking on ,,P&#345;ihlášení do systému'' you choose the archiv in Plzen, click ,,Zobrazit" and enter the name of your church village (make sure you have the correct spelling which might not be found on the IHFF page but by using google or wikipedia afterwards to find out the accents) under the heading ,,Obec'' and then click ,,Hledat". You should know find the church books available which you can go through after clicking on the magnifying glass. If you have any further questions feel free to write me an email and I will try to help. Many greatings from Germany, Viktor Pordzik -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ralf Peters Sent: April-14-10 3:34 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] New on this list Hello, being new on this list, I would like to post my first message with my general areas of interest. I am German, live a little south of Munich, and started to research and document my family a little over 3 years ago. The family of my mother comes from Bohemia (Sudetendeutsch). She was born in a small village called Dobrenz (Dobrenec) close to Maschau, south of Kaaden. Family names and locations I know about right now are listed below, if other subscribers of this list have such names in their family, I'd be pleased to get in touch to exchange data. Best regards, Ralf (Peters) Dobrenz: MÜLLER FIPPL WILD WILLOMITZER HILLER Deutsch Rust: GRÖBL Puschwitz: SPRANGER WEBER Sichlau near Luditz: ENGL Holletitz: GRÜN or GRIMM Scheles: MÜLLER POSSELT Jurau: GRÖBL Dürmaul: DONNER Protiwitz: KAUTZNER German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Virginia - One more word concerning your request for "an accurate history on Bohemia." Aida has given you a very extensive response and I don't think you can do better than to assimilate the information she has sent you. Further, if I read your request to mean that you are seeking one book that will give you this overreaching accurate history, I would suggest that you stop to consider the vastness of Bohemia's history. Not only does it extend back to the first Czech tribes to arrive from the east up and forward to present times, but such a timeline includes hundreds, perhaps thousands of events each of which have received treatment in book form. Some are written from the Czech perspective, some from the German, some concerning the Habsburg family, some on individuals like Joseph II, some about serfs, some about fashion, others surrounding militaristic matters, etc. etc. etc. I have on my bookshelves nearly a hundred works dealing with the information you seek and after musing over which one I could recommend to you, found none that would truly fill the bill. The good news is that when I began in the 1990s to seek more information on Bohemia's past, there were not nearly as many such works on such subjects written in English as there are today. I'm certain more will appear. Remember though that each will be slanted to its own point of view. There is really no easy way to achieve an unbiased understanding of two thousand years worth of history. On the other hand, should you decide eventually to focus on a particular time, individual, or event, this list is attended by many who are well-versed in resources which will be of further assistance to you. Given the wonderful lead Aida has provided you, and depending on what you discover about your Bohemian ancestors, you are well on your way. Bob U. -- It is our choices...that show what we truly are, far more than our abilities. J. K. Rowling, Harry Potter and The Chamber of Secrets, 1999

Thanks, Ken.  It helps me, as I just stumbled around figuring out how to use the Plzen Archives and was making it much to complicated by what I had figured out using Google Translate.  Using the village name in the obec line will be particularly useful.  Marg --- On Sat, 4/10/10, Ken Chromy <[email protected]> wrote: From: Ken Chromy <[email protected]> Subject: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Searching the Plzen Archives To: [email protected] Date: Saturday, April 10, 2010, 4:06 AM I don't know if this has been mentioned yet, if it has, I've missed it. There are (at least) two ways to search for the registers for a village of interest in the Plzen Archives.  First, you can enter the name of the village in the obec/(Community) line and leave the signatura(Signature) line blank.  That should give you all the parish books that contain this village - even if it is from several different parishes.  It has worked that way for me for some villages in both the Brno and Plzen archives.  However, I've had a lot of trouble getting some villages records to come up when I do this and I simply get a message that says, "Matriky pro tuto obec nesou zatim zadene v systemu", which means "Register for this city are not yet in the system".  This has been happening to me even for some villages from parishes early in the alphabet that I've been told are already online. An alternate way of searching is to leave the obec/(Community) line blank and enter the name of the parish in the signatura/(Signature) line.  If you do it this way, you will get all the parish books for that parish, even if they don't have records for the specific village(s) you want.  However, with the information that is available at http://www.soaplzen.cz/sites/default/files/soa/seznam_matrik.pdf you can get a listing of which villages are in each parish book.  I've just print the pages of those villages I'm interested in and have it available when I'm working in a particular village.  Also remember that those parish books that say "farni obvod", should cover most if not all the villages from that parish. Hope this helps.  Ken       German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I don't know if this has been mentioned yet, if it has, I've missed it. There are (at least) two ways to search for the registers for a village of interest in the Plzen Archives. First, you can enter the name of the village in the obec/(Community) line and leave the signatura(Signature) line blank. That should give you all the parish books that contain this village - even if it is from several different parishes. It has worked that way for me for some villages in both the Brno and Plzen archives. However, I've had a lot of trouble getting some villages records to come up when I do this and I simply get a message that says, "Matriky pro tuto obec nesou zatim zadene v systemu", which means "Register for this city are not yet in the system". This has been happening to me even for some villages from parishes early in the alphabet that I've been told are already online. An alternate way of searching is to leave the obec/(Community) line blank and enter the name of the parish in the signatura/(Signature) line. If you do it this way, you will get all the parish books for that parish, even if they don't have records for the specific village(s) you want. However, with the information that is available at http://www.soaplzen.cz/sites/default/files/soa/seznam_matrik.pdf you can get a listing of which villages are in each parish book. I've just print the pages of those villages I'm interested in and have it available when I'm working in a particular village. Also remember that those parish books that say "farni obvod", should cover most if not all the villages from that parish. Hope this helps. Ken

This automatic translation is a little awkward ....... and for better understanding my translation with explanation would be somewhat more in keeping with the German text and what it means. 1280 You could call it Creation of the Icon, yes, but what is meant specifically is the painting of the "Gnadenbild" (the center piece) behind the altar. 1341 is correct, first mention is made of the village Maria Kulm 1400 First parish and construction of a stone church is correct also 1469 Extension of the church is also correct 1643 "Survey on Cross Lord Provost" does not imply what it means, i.e. that the church was elevated to a "Kreuzherren Probstei" which means that the Order of the Holy Cross made it their Administrative Seat. To understand the title of "Kreuzherren" it must be explained that this is a "noble order" of the church. 1666 Construction of a chapel having from now on a greater importance in the Church's hierarchy. 1690-1702 Building of the baroque church becoming famous for pilgrimage 1708 A construction of a walkway along 6 chapels (or apses, maybe?), accommodating the way of the cross 1877-1894 Restoration of the entire pilgrimage complex is correct (and now there is a looong time where the church remained as it was. At first, it was still active until 1946. But with the expulsion of the native German population in 1946 the then neglected church fell into disrepair. When the Iron Curtain fell between East and West, and when people who had lived and worshipped there came back to their original homeland for visits, new efforts were made to restore their religious and cultural heritage sites. That needed a lot of money; so while the Communist State Czechoslovakia did not expend money for religious sites, the German people who had lived there, even though they were disowned of their homes and property after WW2, began a collection among themselves. Since 1992, that collection has grown world wide to provide funding for restoration of to this valuable church and from then on it marched along with new vigor, as the pilgrimages started up again. The new Czech Republic is now participating in the rejuvenation of German cultural sites. Czechs and Germans are joined in this effort to benefit their mutual Catholic Religion to worship together. 2004 Repair of the organ 2008 Restoration of the dome and the pictures in the Administration building 2009 A major renovation of the church's interior. Aida

Google Translate returned this translation of the photos on the web site 1280 Creation of the Icon 1341 Mention of the village of Maria Kulm 1400 First Parish, construction of a stone church 1469 extension of the church 1643 Survey on Cross Lord Provost 1666 construction of the chapel 1690-1702 construction of the baroque sanctuary Cultivation in 1708 with six chapels of the cloister 1877-1894 Restoration of the entire pilgrimage complex 1992 Restoration begins 2004 repair of the organ 2008 Restoration of the dome and the provost of the picture cycle 2009 The provost receives its new roof 2010 The renovation of the nave begins -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Aida Kraus Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 12:41 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Plzen Archives Results Michael, and readers of the list: Maria Kulm was a famous place for religious retreats and many people from the entire area of the Egerland participated in a yearly pilgrimage to this place. The history of this place is on the Internet, however, in the German language, but what you will want to see is the actual building. They are now rebuilding this old church of the Madonna which was totally neglected after the Egerlanders were expelled from this area and fell to total neglect during the Communist years. Friends of this place have collected money to refurbish the church the same as it was, and much of it coming from those families who were former natives now living in Germany. Mr. Josef Döllner, now living in Gröbenzell, near Munich, is collecting a rebuilding fund for the project which is equally supported by the Egerlanders, the Czech Repubic and Bavaria. You can see in this link is what is happening there at this time. Pull down and look at the photos. http://www.maria-kulm.de/geschichte.htm An ancient trade route went along the Eger River, where castles, churches and abbeys served as "hotels" along the way. What I remember best is the story of "robber barons" who extracted money for safe passage from traveling traders, and Maria Kulm was a secure shelter. The interior church ensemble by Christoph Dientzenhofer is an important part of this church and there was no more time to waste in order to rescue this precious artwork which was nearly destroyed during the many years of neglect. It is a beautiful old area full of legends and sagas. Aida --------------------------------------------------------------------- On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 10:26 AM, Michael o Hearn < [email protected]> wrote: > I am well pleased with the Plzen Archives website [email protected] . > > My ancestors are apparently from the vicinity of Gossengrün (Krajkova) in > the Falkenau (Sokolov) area. The data fro Krajkova is not yet uploaded. > However, I did come across the parish baptismal registries for Chlum svati > Mari (Maria Kulm) in the same area begining in the year 1767. Maria Kulm > belonged to the noble family of Heinrich von Reisengrün in the 14th > century. > > The parochial records are written in Latin much like those of American > parishes. In Book II Annus 1768, I find the first entry for a baptism on > January 3 for Maria Anna, daughter of Andreas Höyer and his wife Maria Eva. > The priest administering the sacrament is Rev. Joanne Verner. The second > entry is for the baptism on January 14 for Maria Dosina, daughter of > Venceslaus Verner and wife Margarethe. Also, baptism of Maria Anna, > daughter of Gerhardus Werner and wife Maria. Witness is Andreas Verner, > probably same person as above. > > My ancestors who settled in Buchanan, Wisconsin in 1868 are Josef Werner, > wife Anna and children. Anna married secondly Martin Fischer of Werth (Luh) > near Gossengrün which is why I believe that the Werner family may hve been > from that area. > > Coincidentally, several Höyer brothers came into possession of some of my > Irish ancestors' ancestral farmlands in Maple Grove, Wisconsin, by taking > care of the farm for the couple in their old age, which were originally > acquired by John and James o'Hearn in 1852. > > Michael O'Hearn > > > Visit my Blog! > http://www.westernperspective.blogspot.com > > > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Michael, and readers of the list: Maria Kulm was a famous place for religious retreats and many people from the entire area of the Egerland participated in a yearly pilgrimage to this place. The history of this place is on the Internet, however, in the German language, but what you will want to see is the actual building. They are now rebuilding this old church of the Madonna which was totally neglected after the Egerlanders were expelled from this area and fell to total neglect during the Communist years. Friends of this place have collected money to refurbish the church the same as it was, and much of it coming from those families who were former natives now living in Germany. Mr. Josef Döllner, now living in Gröbenzell, near Munich, is collecting a rebuilding fund for the project which is equally supported by the Egerlanders, the Czech Repubic and Bavaria. You can see in this link is what is happening there at this time. Pull down and look at the photos. http://www.maria-kulm.de/geschichte.htm An ancient trade route went along the Eger River, where castles, churches and abbeys served as "hotels" along the way. What I remember best is the story of "robber barons" who extracted money for safe passage from traveling traders, and Maria Kulm was a secure shelter. The interior church ensemble by Christoph Dientzenhofer is an important part of this church and there was no more time to waste in order to rescue this precious artwork which was nearly destroyed during the many years of neglect. It is a beautiful old area full of legends and sagas. Aida --------------------------------------------------------------------- On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 10:26 AM, Michael o Hearn < [email protected]> wrote: > I am well pleased with the Plzen Archives website [email protected] . > > My ancestors are apparently from the vicinity of Gossengrün (Krajkova) in > the Falkenau (Sokolov) area. The data fro Krajkova is not yet uploaded. > However, I did come across the parish baptismal registries for Chlum svati > Mari (Maria Kulm) in the same area begining in the year 1767. Maria Kulm > belonged to the noble family of Heinrich von Reisengrün in the 14th > century. > > The parochial records are written in Latin much like those of American > parishes. In Book II Annus 1768, I find the first entry for a baptism on > January 3 for Maria Anna, daughter of Andreas Höyer and his wife Maria Eva. > The priest administering the sacrament is Rev. Joanne Verner. The second > entry is for the baptism on January 14 for Maria Dosina, daughter of > Venceslaus Verner and wife Margarethe. Also, baptism of Maria Anna, > daughter of Gerhardus Werner and wife Maria. Witness is Andreas Verner, > probably same person as above. > > My ancestors who settled in Buchanan, Wisconsin in 1868 are Josef Werner, > wife Anna and children. Anna married secondly Martin Fischer of Werth (Luh) > near Gossengrün which is why I believe that the Werner family may hve been > from that area. > > Coincidentally, several Höyer brothers came into possession of some of my > Irish ancestors' ancestral farmlands in Maple Grove, Wisconsin, by taking > care of the farm for the couple in their old age, which were originally > acquired by John and James o'Hearn in 1852. > > Michael O'Hearn > > > Visit my Blog! > http://www.westernperspective.blogspot.com > > > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I am well pleased with the Plzen Archives website [email protected] . My ancestors are apparently from the vicinity of Gossengrün (Krajkova) in the Falkenau (Sokolov) area.  The data fro Krajkova is not yet uploaded.  However, I did come across the parish baptismal registries for Chlum svati Mari (Maria Kulm) in the same area begining in the year 1767.   Maria Kulm belonged to the noble family of Heinrich von Reisengrün in the 14th century.  The parochial records are written in Latin much like those of American parishes.  In Book II Annus 1768, I find the first entry for a baptism on January 3 for Maria Anna, daughter of Andreas Höyer and his wife Maria Eva.  The priest administering the sacrament is Rev. Joanne Verner.  The second entry is for the baptism on January 14 for Maria Dosina, daughter of Venceslaus Verner and wife Margarethe.  Also, baptism of Maria Anna, daughter of Gerhardus Werner and wife Maria.  Witness is Andreas Verner, probably same person as above. My ancestors who settled in Buchanan, Wisconsin in 1868 are Josef Werner, wife Anna and children.  Anna married secondly Martin Fischer of Werth (Luh) near Gossengrün which is why I believe that the Werner family may hve been from that area. Coincidentally, several Höyer brothers came into possession of some of my Irish ancestors' ancestral farmlands in Maple Grove, Wisconsin, by taking care of the farm for the couple in their old age, which were originally acquired by John and James o'Hearn in 1852. Michael O'Hearn Visit my Blog! http://www.westernperspective.blogspot.com

To Virginia Plass: The links posted here is reading and background material on the original home of the Celts and the Hallstadt Culture (this is in the area between Salzburg in Austria and Bad Reichenhall in Germany) where huge salt caves were used as preserving storage for meat, and salt allowed the Celts to become wealthy by trading with it. (you can still drive with a little train into these salt cave museum at Salzgitter, and this is worth a visit) See the area in Europe of the original Celtic settlements before it reached the British Isles. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celts After the Celts, we see the influx in the middle Europe area by Germans fron the North (Jutland in Denmark) and a mix of Celts and Germans in the Strakonitz, Bohemian area according to excavation in that Bohemian area. You can read of the period following the Celts here. Watch the time frame and see the maps of settlement in middle Europe, it shows a lot of photos of excavated artifacts, but the download of this article is rather long: http://www.davidkfaux.org/Cimbri-Chronology.pdf Here is a time table from the oldest times to recent history with the Slavic, and in particular the Czech development in the area. http://www.affytravel.com/czechguide/historyinbrief.htm Submitted by Aida ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 11:11 PM, Aida Kraus <[email protected]> wrote: > You also may want to look at this map before the arrival of Slavs in the > area of middle Europe. This map is of 50 AD. Notice the Markomanni in the > general area that is now Bohemia. > http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datei:Europa_Germanen_50_n_Chr.svg > > On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 8:39 PM, Virginia <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I would like to find an accurate history on Bohemia, something from as >> earally as possible to the present time. Can anyone recommend something >> like this >> Thanks, >> Virginia Plass >> >> >> German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >

You also may want to look at this map before the arrival of Slavs in the area of middle Europe. This map is of 50 AD. Notice the Markomanni in the general area that is now Bohemia. http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datei:Europa_Germanen_50_n_Chr.svg On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 8:39 PM, Virginia <[email protected]> wrote: > I would like to find an accurate history on Bohemia, something from as > earally as possible to the present time. Can anyone recommend something > like this > Thanks, > Virginia Plass > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >