I have doubt that it could be stamped after it was assembled without damaging the frame since the metal was very soft and thin. Any way it is a puzzle to me since I've never seen a frame like this before and since I do have ancestors who were in Czechoslovakia at the time of WWI, it makes me wonder if there is a connection. > To: [email protected] > Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 22:52:47 -0400 > From: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Ornate photo frame "M. Czecho-slovakia" > > > To the best of my knowledge, this attitude was taken from the very beginning. It's possible the stamp was applied outside the country. It seems logical that if the item was stamped inside Czechoslovakia it would have said Ceskoslovensko. > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: PJ Vazquez <[email protected]> > To: Roots Bohemian <[email protected]> > Sent: Mon, Apr 26, 2010 10:39 pm > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Ornate photo frame "M. Czecho-slovakia" > > > > That's very interesting. I wonder if there is a certain time frame when that > was going on? The photo frame is very finely made with the back having it's own > stand attached and little prongs that lift up to open the back to put the photo > in place. > > Pam > > > > > > > To: [email protected] > > Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 22:32:46 -0400 > > From: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Ornate photo frame "M. Czecho-slovakia" > > > > > > When Czechoslovakia was first formed, a number of Slovaks felt they should > have more autonomy and contended that the name of the country should be > hyphenated. Of course, this never happened. However, through the years > supporters of this faction continued to spell the name of the country > Czecho-Slovakia in English. There is great evidence of this in some > Slovak/English newspapers and other publications in the US. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Aida Kraus <[email protected]> > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Mon, Apr 26, 2010 5:50 pm > > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Ornate photo frame "M. Czecho-slovakia" > > > > > > Who knows, Pam! One would need to know how old the picture is and how old > > the frame is, that might give us a bit more to go on. It is definitely odd > > that there is a dash, although Bohemia, Moravia and Slovakia are three > > different countries which were all part of Austria Hungary. Slovakia was > > more Hungary oriented, but Moravia and Bohemia were definitely Austria > > oriented. Bohemia was a Kingdom and Moravia a Margravate both within the > > Empire > > Aida > > > > On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 2:29 PM, PJ Vazquez <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Aida and Frank, > > > > > > > > > > > > I did think it odd that the name of the country was spelled with the dash. > > > However, why would they put that stamp on there outside the country? > > > Could there have been confusion in the beginning about the way to spell > > > Czechoslovakia? > > > > > > > > > > > > I am still wondering if the photo was from a relative that lived in > > > Czechoslovakia or if this frame had been sold in Germany then it could have > > > been a different relation. > > > > > > > > > > > > Pam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 17:37:12 -0700 > > > > From: [email protected] > > > > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > > > > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Ornate photo frame "M. Czecho-slovakia" > > > > > > > > I think you are dead right, Frank, because there is a dash between Czecho > > > > and slovakia. That was put on it outside the country, because anything > > > > produced after 1918 would have Czechoslovakia (one word) on it. > > > > Aida > > > > > > > > On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 5:34 PM, Frank Soural <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For what it's worth: > > > > > "M. Czecho-slovakia" is actually an English expression. It may have > > > been > > > > > made in Czecho - but produced for the English speaking world. > > > > > The M. could be a symbol for "made" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Frank > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aida: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The photo has no identification as to who the person is. The only > > > reason > > > > > I think that it might be from my Bohemian ancestors is the fact that > > > the > > > > > frame appears to be made in "M. Czecho-slovakia" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My Bohemian ancestors emigrated in 1878 from Oberberzdorf near > > > Reichenberg. > > > > > They were Wohlmann, and Herrmann. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What you say makes me wonder if perhaps the photo could have been one > > > of > > > > > the > > > > > sons who did not emigrate in 1878 with the parents and 3 young > > > children. > > > > > My gr gr grandfather had a set of older children with his first wife. > > > > > So > > > > > perhaps one of them sent the picture. The frame could have been newer > > > > > than > > > > > the photo. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, Pam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 17:25:40 -0700 > > > > > > From: [email protected] > > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Ornate photo frame "M. > > > Czecho-slovakia" > > > > > > > > > > > > Pam: The term "Czechoslovakia" was coined in 1918, not before. The > > > > > picture > > > > > > looks older, I would say before that time. One would need to know for > > > > > what > > > > > > purpose this picture was taken. In 1878 your ancestors were Austrian > > > > > > Hungarians from Bohemia or Moravia. I don't know what this M stands > > > for, > > > > > > unless they were from Moravia, instead of Bohemia, do you know? > > > Bohemia, > > > > > > Moravia and Slovakia were combined to form a new country from > > > Austrian > > > > > > monarchical lands and they called this combined area the Republic of > > > > > > Czechoslovakia, as of 1918. The men's fashion in that picture looks > > > to me > > > > > > like pre-WW1 (1914-1918), because after WW1 they did not wear these > > > > > pointed > > > > > > collars anymore. They had starched white shirt collars without the > > > > > points, > > > > > > but the collar then, was still separate from the shirt and was > > > delivered > > > > > > from the laundry in a round satchel. Then, in the late 1920 they > > > started > > > > > to > > > > > > have regular men's shirts, pretty much the way they are now, but > > > still > > > > > VERY > > > > > > starched. Do you know the person in that picture and what was the > > > reason > > > > > > for this photograph? Usually they photographed groom and bride > > > separately > > > > > > as well as together at the wedding photographer, or it might have > > > been > > > > > for > > > > > a > > > > > > professional promotion, or perhaps even an enlargement of a passport > > > > > photo?, > > > > > > But it could also be that someone brought a frame from what was > > > already > > > > > > Czechoslovakia and gave it to your relatives and they put an old > > > picture > > > > > in > > > > > > it. Do you know? > > > > > > Aida > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 5:00 PM, PJ Vazquez <[email protected]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Among my family's old photos there is a very old looking ornate > > > frame > > > > > with > > > > > > > an old photo. The person is not identified. On the back of the > > > frame > > > > > > > there is a stamping "M. Czecho-slovakia". I wonder if any one knows > > > > > what > > > > > > > that means? What does the "M" stand for? At what time period would > > > > > > > Bohemia have been called as such? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My ancestors emigrated from Librec area 1878. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is a link to see the photo: I hope it will work for you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v229/PJ2004/Geneology/MCzecho-slovakia.jpg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, Pam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site > > > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > > > > > without > > > > > > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > > > without > > > > > the > > > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > > > without > > > > > the > > > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > > > without > > > > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > > the message > > > > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the message > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the message > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I see on Amazon that they are offering merchandise with "Czecho-Slovakia" as trade mark dating from the 1930. Therefore, it was probably a stamp they used for merchandise produced for export. I should know from my own family's factory, but I was too young then to remember what else they had stamped on their electrical appliances but "Baumbusch-Bohemia", their trademark. Aida On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 12:30 PM, John Sabol <[email protected]> wrote: > This is a spelling that reflects Slovak partisanship and is still used > by some US Slovaks. It was never recognized as the official spelling > of this country. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Apr 27, 2010, at 10:19 AM, PJ Vazquez <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I meant I wonder if there was a time span of years that it would > > have been spelled that way. Such as would it have been 1918 to > > 1925 for example? > > > > > > > > Eventhough my direct ancestors...(my great grand mother and great > > great grand parents) emigrated in 1878 they did leave behind other > > children and siblings that could have been in Czechoslovakia up > > until the explusion. So it is possible the person in the photo > > connected to them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 20:01:17 -0700 > >> From: [email protected] > >> To: [email protected] > >> Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Ornate photo frame "M. Czecho- > >> slovakia" > >> > >> The time frame is 1918, as I mentioned before. > >> Aida > >> > >> On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 7:39 PM, PJ Vazquez <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> That's very interesting. I wonder if there is a certain time frame > >>> when > >>> that was going on? The photo frame is very finely made with the > >>> back having > >>> it's own stand attached and little prongs that lift up to open the > >>> back to > >>> put the photo in place. > >>> > >>> Pam > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>> To: [email protected] > >>>> Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 22:32:46 -0400 > >>>> From: [email protected] > >>>> Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Ornate photo frame "M. Czecho- > >>>> slovakia" > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> When Czechoslovakia was first formed, a number of Slovaks felt they > >>> should have more autonomy and contended that the name of the > >>> country should > >>> be hyphenated. Of course, this never happened. However, through > >>> the years > >>> supporters of this faction continued to spell the name of the > >>> country > >>> Czecho-Slovakia in English. There is great evidence of this in some > >>> Slovak/English newspapers and other publications in the US. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>> From: Aida Kraus <[email protected]> > >>>> To: [email protected] > >>>> Sent: Mon, Apr 26, 2010 5:50 pm > >>>> Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Ornate photo frame "M. Czecho- > >>>> slovakia" > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Who knows, Pam! One would need to know how old the picture is and > >>>> how old > >>>> the frame is, that might give us a bit more to go on. It is > >>>> definitely > >>> odd > >>>> that there is a dash, although Bohemia, Moravia and Slovakia are > >>>> three > >>>> different countries which were all part of Austria Hungary. > >>>> Slovakia was > >>>> more Hungary oriented, but Moravia and Bohemia were definitely > >>>> Austria > >>>> oriented. Bohemia was a Kingdom and Moravia a Margravate both > >>>> within the > >>>> Empire > >>>> Aida > >>>> > >>>> On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 2:29 PM, PJ Vazquez <[email protected]> > >>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Aida and Frank, > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> I did think it odd that the name of the country was spelled with > >>>>> the > >>> dash. > >>>>> However, why would they put that stamp on there outside the > >>>>> country? > >>>>> Could there have been confusion in the beginning about the way > >>>>> to spell > >>>>> Czechoslovakia? > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> I am still wondering if the photo was from a relative that lived > >>>>> in > >>>>> Czechoslovakia or if this frame had been sold in Germany then it > >>>>> could > >>> have > >>>>> been a different relation. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Pam > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 17:37:12 -0700 > >>>>>> From: [email protected] > >>>>>> To: [email protected]; [email protected] > >>>>>> Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Ornate photo frame "M. > >>> Czecho-slovakia" > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I think you are dead right, Frank, because there is a dash > >>>>>> between > >>> Czecho > >>>>>> and slovakia. That was put on it outside the country, because > >>> anything > >>>>>> produced after 1918 would have Czechoslovakia (one word) on it. > >>>>>> Aida > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 5:34 PM, Frank Soural <[email protected]> > >>> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> For what it's worth: > >>>>>>> "M. Czecho-slovakia" is actually an English expression. It may > >>>>>>> have > >>>>> been > >>>>>>> made in Czecho - but produced for the English speaking world. > >>>>>>> The M. could be a symbol for "made" > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Frank > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Aida: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> The photo has no identification as to who the person is. The > >>>>>>> only > >>>>> reason > >>>>>>> I think that it might be from my Bohemian ancestors is the fact > >>> that > >>>>> the > >>>>>>> frame appears to be made in "M. Czecho-slovakia" > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> My Bohemian ancestors emigrated in 1878 from Oberberzdorf near > >>>>> Reichenberg. > >>>>>>> They were Wohlmann, and Herrmann. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> What you say makes me wonder if perhaps the photo could have > >>>>>>> been > >>> one > >>>>> of > >>>>>>> the > >>>>>>> sons who did not emigrate in 1878 with the parents and 3 young > >>>>> children. > >>>>>>> My gr gr grandfather had a set of older children with his first > >>> wife. > >>>>>>> So > >>>>>>> perhaps one of them sent the picture. The frame could have been > >>> newer > >>>>>>> than > >>>>>>> the photo. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Thanks, Pam > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 17:25:40 -0700 > >>>>>>>> From: [email protected] > >>>>>>>> To: [email protected] > >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Ornate photo frame "M. > >>>>> Czecho-slovakia" > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Pam: The term "Czechoslovakia" was coined in 1918, not before. > >>> The > >>>>>>> picture > >>>>>>>> looks older, I would say before that time. One would need to > >>>>>>>> know > >>> for > >>>>>>> what > >>>>>>>> purpose this picture was taken. In 1878 your ancestors were > >>> Austrian > >>>>>>>> Hungarians from Bohemia or Moravia. I don't know what this M > >>> stands > >>>>> for, > >>>>>>>> unless they were from Moravia, instead of Bohemia, do you know? > >>>>> Bohemia, > >>>>>>>> Moravia and Slovakia were combined to form a new country from > >>>>> Austrian > >>>>>>>> monarchical lands and they called this combined area the > >>>>>>>> Republic > >>> of > >>>>>>>> Czechoslovakia, as of 1918. The men's fashion in that picture > >>> looks > >>>>> to me > >>>>>>>> like pre-WW1 (1914-1918), because after WW1 they did not wear > >>> these > >>>>>>> pointed > >>>>>>>> collars anymore. They had starched white shirt collars without > >>> the > >>>>>>> points, > >>>>>>>> but the collar then, was still separate from the shirt and was > >>>>> delivered > >>>>>>>> from the laundry in a round satchel. Then, in the late 1920 > >>>>>>>> they > >>>>> started > >>>>>>> to > >>>>>>>> have regular men's shirts, pretty much the way they are now, > >>>>>>>> but > >>>>> still > >>>>>>> VERY > >>>>>>>> starched. Do you know the person in that picture and what was > >>>>>>>> the > >>>>> reason > >>>>>>>> for this photograph? Usually they photographed groom and bride > >>>>> separately > >>>>>>>> as well as together at the wedding photographer, or it might > >>>>>>>> have > >>>>> been > >>>>>>> for > >>>>>>> a > >>>>>>>> professional promotion, or perhaps even an enlargement of a > >>> passport > >>>>>>> photo?, > >>>>>>>> But it could also be that someone brought a frame from what was > >>>>> already > >>>>>>>> Czechoslovakia and gave it to your relatives and they put an > >>>>>>>> old > >>>>> picture > >>>>>>> in > >>>>>>>> it. Do you know? > >>>>>>>> Aida > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 5:00 PM, PJ Vazquez < > >>> [email protected]> > >>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Hello, > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Among my family's old photos there is a very old looking > >>>>>>>>> ornate > >>>>> frame > >>>>>>> with > >>>>>>>>> an old photo. The person is not identified. On the back of the > >>>>> frame > >>>>>>>>> there is a stamping "M. Czecho-slovakia". I wonder if any one > >>> knows > >>>>>>> what > >>>>>>>>> that means? What does the "M" stand for? At what time period > >>> would > >>>>>>>>> Bohemia have been called as such? > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> My ancestors emigrated from Librec area 1878. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Here is a link to see the photo: I hope it will work for you. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> > http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v229/PJ2004/Geneology/MCzecho-slovakia.jpg > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Thanks, Pam > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site > >>>>>>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > >>>>>>>>> ------------------------------- > >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>>>>>>>> [email protected] with the word > >>> 'unsubscribe' > >>>>>>> without > >>>>>>>>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site > >>>>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > >>>>>>>> ------------------------------- > >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>>>>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > >>>>> without > >>>>>>> the > >>>>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site > >>>>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > >>>>>>> ------------------------------- > >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>>>>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > >>>>> without > >>>>>>> the > >>>>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site > >>>>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > >>>>>>> ------------------------------- > >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>>>>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > >>>>> without > >>>>>>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site > >>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > >>>>>> ------------------------------- > >>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > >>> without > >>>>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>>>> > >>>>> German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site > >>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > >>>>> ------------------------------- > >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > >>> without > >>>>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>>>> > >>>> German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > >>>> ------------------------------- > >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>> [email protected] > >>>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > >>>> the > >>> body of > >>>> the message > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > >>>> ------------------------------- > >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > >>> without > >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>> > >>> German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > >>> ------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > >>> without > >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>> > >> German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > >> the body of the message > > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > > the body of the message > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

In a message dated 4/27/2010 10:35:42 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: To the best of my knowledge, this attitude was taken from the very beginning. It's possible the stamp was applied outside the country. It seems logical that if the item was stamped inside Czechoslovakia it would have said Ceskoslovensko. > This is an uniform international trade labeling custom that is always in English and it is applied by the manufacturer e.g., _http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?VISuperSize&item=350346634406_ (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?VISuperSize&item=350346634406) . BTW At one time Cesko-Slovenska was also written with hyphen. Ulrich Rudofsky

There is a connection, obviously. I would bet that the frame is of a later date than the picture and it might have been sent or given at a visit from here as a gift their American family. The attitude between the new Czechoslovakia and America was very friendly and supportive. A lot of American money was invested in the newly established Republic in 1918, which was to function with the same ethnic tolerance as visualized here in America. The problem, however is, that people will be people anywhere, because just as there was a discrimination against black people in this country, then, so there was a discrimination against German people in this newly formed Czechoslovakia of 1918, and that is what opened to doors to the occupation by Hitler in 1938, but only AFTER the Austrian homeland had fallen to him in March of that year. The Sudetenland fell in October 1938. The inner portion with Czech/German settlements was called the "Protectorate" and the people living therein had actually certain privileges, which we Sudetengermans living in the German areas did not have. One of which was obligatory military service, obligatory attendance to Nazi school programs and for every 18 year old German boy or girl a year of Reichsarbeitsdienst, which was a Labor Service to the German community. It was only after the assassination of Hydrich at Prague (instigated from England and executed by paratroopers - and NOT by these much too peaceful Czech residents who irked their Czech exiled government in England) that harsh retaliations were taken against all involved in that incident. At that time, all Czech students at the Universities were denied continuation of their education and removed from there to the munition factories in Germany. The time frame for this is: Assassination of Hydrich 1942, end of war 1945. The Czech students were deported in Fall 1942 and came back home with privileged status in May of 1945 to continue or finish their studies. I had many friends among this group. We compared notes later, and agreed that the misery for the Sudetengermans lasted a lot longer than their 2 1/2 years of internment. Firstly there was the occupation in 1938, then the draft of all German men to the German military, even those who served in the Czech military at that time, also all young German men and women being drafted to the Reichsarbeitsdienst, and any Sudetengerman of anti-fascist standing was transported to the KZ lagers for many years. The war started in 1939 and ended in 1945, the expulsion - if they survived it - was in 1946, and the expelled people lived in refugee camps in Germany well into 1950 before housing and work could be found for them in the bombed-out rubble of German cities. Our hunger years were from 1942 until 1948. So, the average Sudetengerman Expellee lived from 1938 until 1950, that is 12 years, in one kind of hell or another. If some of your ancestors do not want to talk about this time, it is understandable to me, because they were adults who carried the total burden and they were distraught far more than we, who were children at the time. Perhaps it is of service, that there are eyewitnesses left, like a few of us to bring this era into factual focus. Aida You can read about Hydrich here and I remember that it was mentioned that he was not entirely of Arian ancestry and somewhat of an embarrassment to the Nazis themselves. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reinhard_Heydrich On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 7:13 AM, PJ Vazquez <[email protected]> wrote: > > I have doubt that it could be stamped after it was assembled without > damaging the frame since the metal was very soft and thin. > > > > Any way it is a puzzle to me since I've never seen a frame like this before > and since I do have ancestors who were in Czechoslovakia at the time of WWI, > it makes me wonder if there is a connection. > > > > > > > > > To: [email protected] > > Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 22:52:47 -0400 > > From: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Ornate photo frame "M. Czecho-slovakia" > > > > > > To the best of my knowledge, this attitude was taken from the very > beginning. It's possible the stamp was applied outside the country. It seems > logical that if the item was stamped inside Czechoslovakia it would have > said Ceskoslovensko. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: PJ Vazquez <[email protected]> > > To: Roots Bohemian <[email protected]> > > Sent: Mon, Apr 26, 2010 10:39 pm > > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Ornate photo frame "M. Czecho-slovakia" > > > > > > > > That's very interesting. I wonder if there is a certain time frame when > that > > was going on? The photo frame is very finely made with the back having > it's own > > stand attached and little prongs that lift up to open the back to put the > photo > > in place. > > > > Pam > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 22:32:46 -0400 > > > From: [email protected] > > > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Ornate photo frame "M. Czecho-slovakia" > > > > > > > > > When Czechoslovakia was first formed, a number of Slovaks felt they > should > > have more autonomy and contended that the name of the country should be > > hyphenated. Of course, this never happened. However, through the years > > supporters of this faction continued to spell the name of the country > > Czecho-Slovakia in English. There is great evidence of this in some > > Slovak/English newspapers and other publications in the US. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Aida Kraus <[email protected]> > > > To: [email protected] > > > Sent: Mon, Apr 26, 2010 5:50 pm > > > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Ornate photo frame "M. Czecho-slovakia" > > > > > > > > > Who knows, Pam! One would need to know how old the picture is and how > old > > > the frame is, that might give us a bit more to go on. It is definitely > odd > > > that there is a dash, although Bohemia, Moravia and Slovakia are three > > > different countries which were all part of Austria Hungary. Slovakia > was > > > more Hungary oriented, but Moravia and Bohemia were definitely Austria > > > oriented. Bohemia was a Kingdom and Moravia a Margravate both within > the > > > Empire > > > Aida > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 2:29 PM, PJ Vazquez <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Aida and Frank, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I did think it odd that the name of the country was spelled with the > dash. > > > > However, why would they put that stamp on there outside the country? > > > > Could there have been confusion in the beginning about the way to > spell > > > > Czechoslovakia? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am still wondering if the photo was from a relative that lived in > > > > Czechoslovakia or if this frame had been sold in Germany then it > could have > > > > been a different relation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 17:37:12 -0700 > > > > > From: [email protected] > > > > > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > > > > > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Ornate photo frame "M. > Czecho-slovakia" > > > > > > > > > > I think you are dead right, Frank, because there is a dash between > Czecho > > > > > and slovakia. That was put on it outside the country, because > anything > > > > > produced after 1918 would have Czechoslovakia (one word) on it. > > > > > Aida > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 5:34 PM, Frank Soural <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For what it's worth: > > > > > > "M. Czecho-slovakia" is actually an English expression. It may > have > > > > been > > > > > > made in Czecho - but produced for the English speaking world. > > > > > > The M. could be a symbol for "made" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Frank > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aida: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The photo has no identification as to who the person is. The only > > > > reason > > > > > > I think that it might be from my Bohemian ancestors is the fact > that > > > > the > > > > > > frame appears to be made in "M. Czecho-slovakia" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My Bohemian ancestors emigrated in 1878 from Oberberzdorf near > > > > Reichenberg. > > > > > > They were Wohlmann, and Herrmann. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What you say makes me wonder if perhaps the photo could have been > one > > > > of > > > > > > the > > > > > > sons who did not emigrate in 1878 with the parents and 3 young > > > > children. > > > > > > My gr gr grandfather had a set of older children with his first > wife. > > > > > > So > > > > > > perhaps one of them sent the picture. The frame could have been > newer > > > > > > than > > > > > > the photo. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, Pam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 17:25:40 -0700 > > > > > > > From: [email protected] > > > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Ornate photo frame "M. > > > > Czecho-slovakia" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pam: The term "Czechoslovakia" was coined in 1918, not before. > The > > > > > > picture > > > > > > > looks older, I would say before that time. One would need to > know for > > > > > > what > > > > > > > purpose this picture was taken. In 1878 your ancestors were > Austrian > > > > > > > Hungarians from Bohemia or Moravia. I don't know what this M > stands > > > > for, > > > > > > > unless they were from Moravia, instead of Bohemia, do you know? > > > > Bohemia, > > > > > > > Moravia and Slovakia were combined to form a new country from > > > > Austrian > > > > > > > monarchical lands and they called this combined area the > Republic of > > > > > > > Czechoslovakia, as of 1918. The men's fashion in that picture > looks > > > > to me > > > > > > > like pre-WW1 (1914-1918), because after WW1 they did not wear > these > > > > > > pointed > > > > > > > collars anymore. They had starched white shirt collars without > the > > > > > > points, > > > > > > > but the collar then, was still separate from the shirt and was > > > > delivered > > > > > > > from the laundry in a round satchel. Then, in the late 1920 > they > > > > started > > > > > > to > > > > > > > have regular men's shirts, pretty much the way they are now, > but > > > > still > > > > > > VERY > > > > > > > starched. Do you know the person in that picture and what was > the > > > > reason > > > > > > > for this photograph? Usually they photographed groom and bride > > > > separately > > > > > > > as well as together at the wedding photographer, or it might > have > > > > been > > > > > > for > > > > > > a > > > > > > > professional promotion, or perhaps even an enlargement of a > passport > > > > > > photo?, > > > > > > > But it could also be that someone brought a frame from what was > > > > already > > > > > > > Czechoslovakia and gave it to your relatives and they put an > old > > > > picture > > > > > > in > > > > > > > it. Do you know? > > > > > > > Aida > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 5:00 PM, PJ Vazquez < > [email protected]> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Among my family's old photos there is a very old looking > ornate > > > > frame > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > an old photo. The person is not identified. On the back of > the > > > > frame > > > > > > > > there is a stamping "M. Czecho-slovakia". I wonder if any one > knows > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > that means? What does the "M" stand for? At what time period > would > > > > > > > > Bohemia have been called as such? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My ancestors emigrated from Librec area 1878. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is a link to see the photo: I hope it will work for you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v229/PJ2004/Geneology/MCzecho-slovakia.jpg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, Pam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site > > > > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > > > > > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site > > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > > > > without > > > > > > the > > > > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site > > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > > > > without > > > > > > the > > > > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site > > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > > > > without > > > > > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > > > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > > > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > > > > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the > body of > > > the message > > > > > > > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the > body of > > the message > > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the > body of > > the message > > > > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Made in Czecho-Slovakia Several countries adopted the English "Made in" after the British "Merchandise Marks Act 1887". The German Reichstag adopted the label "Made in Germany" in 1894. Apparently items were labeled "Made in Czecho-Slovakia" soon after the republic was established.

People, a search of e-bay shows nearly 100 items for sale with the marking Czecho-Slovakia. --- On Mon, 4/26/10, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: > From: [email protected] <[email protected]> > Subject: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Ornate photo frame "M. Czecho-slovakia" > To: [email protected] > Date: Monday, April 26, 2010, 9:53 PM > My great-grandmother had a set of > nested bowls with a cherry pattern. They  > were marked Czecho-slovakia. My mother gave them away, and > I really wish I > had  them now. > > Cathy > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message >

That's very interesting. I wonder if there is a certain time frame when that was going on? The photo frame is very finely made with the back having it's own stand attached and little prongs that lift up to open the back to put the photo in place. Pam > To: [email protected] > Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 22:32:46 -0400 > From: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Ornate photo frame "M. Czecho-slovakia" > > > When Czechoslovakia was first formed, a number of Slovaks felt they should have more autonomy and contended that the name of the country should be hyphenated. Of course, this never happened. However, through the years supporters of this faction continued to spell the name of the country Czecho-Slovakia in English. There is great evidence of this in some Slovak/English newspapers and other publications in the US. > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Aida Kraus <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Mon, Apr 26, 2010 5:50 pm > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Ornate photo frame "M. Czecho-slovakia" > > > Who knows, Pam! One would need to know how old the picture is and how old > the frame is, that might give us a bit more to go on. It is definitely odd > that there is a dash, although Bohemia, Moravia and Slovakia are three > different countries which were all part of Austria Hungary. Slovakia was > more Hungary oriented, but Moravia and Bohemia were definitely Austria > oriented. Bohemia was a Kingdom and Moravia a Margravate both within the > Empire > Aida > > On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 2:29 PM, PJ Vazquez <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Aida and Frank, > > > > > > > > I did think it odd that the name of the country was spelled with the dash. > > However, why would they put that stamp on there outside the country? > > Could there have been confusion in the beginning about the way to spell > > Czechoslovakia? > > > > > > > > I am still wondering if the photo was from a relative that lived in > > Czechoslovakia or if this frame had been sold in Germany then it could have > > been a different relation. > > > > > > > > Pam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 17:37:12 -0700 > > > From: [email protected] > > > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > > > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Ornate photo frame "M. Czecho-slovakia" > > > > > > I think you are dead right, Frank, because there is a dash between Czecho > > > and slovakia. That was put on it outside the country, because anything > > > produced after 1918 would have Czechoslovakia (one word) on it. > > > Aida > > > > > > On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 5:34 PM, Frank Soural <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > For what it's worth: > > > > "M. Czecho-slovakia" is actually an English expression. It may have > > been > > > > made in Czecho - but produced for the English speaking world. > > > > The M. could be a symbol for "made" > > > > > > > > > > > > Frank > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > Aida: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The photo has no identification as to who the person is. The only > > reason > > > > I think that it might be from my Bohemian ancestors is the fact that > > the > > > > frame appears to be made in "M. Czecho-slovakia" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My Bohemian ancestors emigrated in 1878 from Oberberzdorf near > > Reichenberg. > > > > They were Wohlmann, and Herrmann. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What you say makes me wonder if perhaps the photo could have been one > > of > > > > the > > > > sons who did not emigrate in 1878 with the parents and 3 young > > children. > > > > My gr gr grandfather had a set of older children with his first wife. > > > > So > > > > perhaps one of them sent the picture. The frame could have been newer > > > > than > > > > the photo. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, Pam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 17:25:40 -0700 > > > > > From: [email protected] > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Ornate photo frame "M. > > Czecho-slovakia" > > > > > > > > > > Pam: The term "Czechoslovakia" was coined in 1918, not before. The > > > > picture > > > > > looks older, I would say before that time. One would need to know for > > > > what > > > > > purpose this picture was taken. In 1878 your ancestors were Austrian > > > > > Hungarians from Bohemia or Moravia. I don't know what this M stands > > for, > > > > > unless they were from Moravia, instead of Bohemia, do you know? > > Bohemia, > > > > > Moravia and Slovakia were combined to form a new country from > > Austrian > > > > > monarchical lands and they called this combined area the Republic of > > > > > Czechoslovakia, as of 1918. The men's fashion in that picture looks > > to me > > > > > like pre-WW1 (1914-1918), because after WW1 they did not wear these > > > > pointed > > > > > collars anymore. They had starched white shirt collars without the > > > > points, > > > > > but the collar then, was still separate from the shirt and was > > delivered > > > > > from the laundry in a round satchel. Then, in the late 1920 they > > started > > > > to > > > > > have regular men's shirts, pretty much the way they are now, but > > still > > > > VERY > > > > > starched. Do you know the person in that picture and what was the > > reason > > > > > for this photograph? Usually they photographed groom and bride > > separately > > > > > as well as together at the wedding photographer, or it might have > > been > > > > for > > > > a > > > > > professional promotion, or perhaps even an enlargement of a passport > > > > photo?, > > > > > But it could also be that someone brought a frame from what was > > already > > > > > Czechoslovakia and gave it to your relatives and they put an old > > picture > > > > in > > > > > it. Do you know? > > > > > Aida > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 5:00 PM, PJ Vazquez <[email protected]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Among my family's old photos there is a very old looking ornate > > frame > > > > with > > > > > > an old photo. The person is not identified. On the back of the > > frame > > > > > > there is a stamping "M. Czecho-slovakia". I wonder if any one knows > > > > what > > > > > > that means? What does the "M" stand for? At what time period would > > > > > > Bohemia have been called as such? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My ancestors emigrated from Librec area 1878. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is a link to see the photo: I hope it will work for you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v229/PJ2004/Geneology/MCzecho-slovakia.jpg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, Pam > > > > > > > > > > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site > > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > > > > without > > > > > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without > > > > the > > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without > > > > the > > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without > > > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the message > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My great-grandmother had a set of nested bowls with a cherry pattern. They were marked Czecho-slovakia. My mother gave them away, and I really wish I had them now. Cathy

To the best of my knowledge, this attitude was taken from the very beginning. It's possible the stamp was applied outside the country. It seems logical that if the item was stamped inside Czechoslovakia it would have said Ceskoslovensko. -----Original Message----- From: PJ Vazquez <[email protected]> To: Roots Bohemian <[email protected]> Sent: Mon, Apr 26, 2010 10:39 pm Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Ornate photo frame "M. Czecho-slovakia" That's very interesting. I wonder if there is a certain time frame when that was going on? The photo frame is very finely made with the back having it's own stand attached and little prongs that lift up to open the back to put the photo in place. Pam > To: [email protected] > Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 22:32:46 -0400 > From: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Ornate photo frame "M. Czecho-slovakia" > > > When Czechoslovakia was first formed, a number of Slovaks felt they should have more autonomy and contended that the name of the country should be hyphenated. Of course, this never happened. However, through the years supporters of this faction continued to spell the name of the country Czecho-Slovakia in English. There is great evidence of this in some Slovak/English newspapers and other publications in the US. > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Aida Kraus <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Mon, Apr 26, 2010 5:50 pm > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Ornate photo frame "M. Czecho-slovakia" > > > Who knows, Pam! One would need to know how old the picture is and how old > the frame is, that might give us a bit more to go on. It is definitely odd > that there is a dash, although Bohemia, Moravia and Slovakia are three > different countries which were all part of Austria Hungary. Slovakia was > more Hungary oriented, but Moravia and Bohemia were definitely Austria > oriented. Bohemia was a Kingdom and Moravia a Margravate both within the > Empire > Aida > > On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 2:29 PM, PJ Vazquez <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Aida and Frank, > > > > > > > > I did think it odd that the name of the country was spelled with the dash. > > However, why would they put that stamp on there outside the country? > > Could there have been confusion in the beginning about the way to spell > > Czechoslovakia? > > > > > > > > I am still wondering if the photo was from a relative that lived in > > Czechoslovakia or if this frame had been sold in Germany then it could have > > been a different relation. > > > > > > > > Pam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 17:37:12 -0700 > > > From: [email protected] > > > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > > > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Ornate photo frame "M. Czecho-slovakia" > > > > > > I think you are dead right, Frank, because there is a dash between Czecho > > > and slovakia. That was put on it outside the country, because anything > > > produced after 1918 would have Czechoslovakia (one word) on it. > > > Aida > > > > > > On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 5:34 PM, Frank Soural <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > For what it's worth: > > > > "M. Czecho-slovakia" is actually an English expression. It may have > > been > > > > made in Czecho - but produced for the English speaking world. > > > > The M. could be a symbol for "made" > > > > > > > > > > > > Frank > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > Aida: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The photo has no identification as to who the person is. The only > > reason > > > > I think that it might be from my Bohemian ancestors is the fact that > > the > > > > frame appears to be made in "M. Czecho-slovakia" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My Bohemian ancestors emigrated in 1878 from Oberberzdorf near > > Reichenberg. > > > > They were Wohlmann, and Herrmann. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What you say makes me wonder if perhaps the photo could have been one > > of > > > > the > > > > sons who did not emigrate in 1878 with the parents and 3 young > > children. > > > > My gr gr grandfather had a set of older children with his first wife. > > > > So > > > > perhaps one of them sent the picture. The frame could have been newer > > > > than > > > > the photo. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, Pam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 17:25:40 -0700 > > > > > From: [email protected] > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Ornate photo frame "M. > > Czecho-slovakia" > > > > > > > > > > Pam: The term "Czechoslovakia" was coined in 1918, not before. The > > > > picture > > > > > looks older, I would say before that time. One would need to know for > > > > what > > > > > purpose this picture was taken. In 1878 your ancestors were Austrian > > > > > Hungarians from Bohemia or Moravia. I don't know what this M stands > > for, > > > > > unless they were from Moravia, instead of Bohemia, do you know? > > Bohemia, > > > > > Moravia and Slovakia were combined to form a new country from > > Austrian > > > > > monarchical lands and they called this combined area the Republic of > > > > > Czechoslovakia, as of 1918. The men's fashion in that picture looks > > to me > > > > > like pre-WW1 (1914-1918), because after WW1 they did not wear these > > > > pointed > > > > > collars anymore. They had starched white shirt collars without the > > > > points, > > > > > but the collar then, was still separate from the shirt and was > > delivered > > > > > from the laundry in a round satchel. Then, in the late 1920 they > > started > > > > to > > > > > have regular men's shirts, pretty much the way they are now, but > > still > > > > VERY > > > > > starched. Do you know the person in that picture and what was the > > reason > > > > > for this photograph? Usually they photographed groom and bride > > separately > > > > > as well as together at the wedding photographer, or it might have > > been > > > > for > > > > a > > > > > professional promotion, or perhaps even an enlargement of a passport > > > > photo?, > > > > > But it could also be that someone brought a frame from what was > > already > > > > > Czechoslovakia and gave it to your relatives and they put an old > > picture > > > > in > > > > > it. Do you know? > > > > > Aida > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 5:00 PM, PJ Vazquez <[email protected]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Among my family's old photos there is a very old looking ornate > > frame > > > > with > > > > > > an old photo. The person is not identified. On the back of the > > frame > > > > > > there is a stamping "M. Czecho-slovakia". I wonder if any one knows > > > > what > > > > > > that means? What does the "M" stand for? At what time period would > > > > > > Bohemia have been called as such? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My ancestors emigrated from Librec area 1878. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is a link to see the photo: I hope it will work for you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v229/PJ2004/Geneology/MCzecho-slovakia.jpg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, Pam > > > > > > > > > > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site > > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > > > > without > > > > > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without > > > > the > > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without > > > > the > > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without > > > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the message > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

When Czechoslovakia was first formed, a number of Slovaks felt they should have more autonomy and contended that the name of the country should be hyphenated. Of course, this never happened. However, through the years supporters of this faction continued to spell the name of the country Czecho-Slovakia in English. There is great evidence of this in some Slovak/English newspapers and other publications in the US. -----Original Message----- From: Aida Kraus <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Mon, Apr 26, 2010 5:50 pm Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Ornate photo frame "M. Czecho-slovakia" Who knows, Pam! One would need to know how old the picture is and how old the frame is, that might give us a bit more to go on. It is definitely odd that there is a dash, although Bohemia, Moravia and Slovakia are three different countries which were all part of Austria Hungary. Slovakia was more Hungary oriented, but Moravia and Bohemia were definitely Austria oriented. Bohemia was a Kingdom and Moravia a Margravate both within the Empire Aida On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 2:29 PM, PJ Vazquez <[email protected]> wrote: > > Aida and Frank, > > > > I did think it odd that the name of the country was spelled with the dash. > However, why would they put that stamp on there outside the country? > Could there have been confusion in the beginning about the way to spell > Czechoslovakia? > > > > I am still wondering if the photo was from a relative that lived in > Czechoslovakia or if this frame had been sold in Germany then it could have > been a different relation. > > > > Pam > > > > > > > > > Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 17:37:12 -0700 > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Ornate photo frame "M. Czecho-slovakia" > > > > I think you are dead right, Frank, because there is a dash between Czecho > > and slovakia. That was put on it outside the country, because anything > > produced after 1918 would have Czechoslovakia (one word) on it. > > Aida > > > > On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 5:34 PM, Frank Soural <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > For what it's worth: > > > "M. Czecho-slovakia" is actually an English expression. It may have > been > > > made in Czecho - but produced for the English speaking world. > > > The M. could be a symbol for "made" > > > > > > > > > Frank > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > Aida: > > > > > > > > > > > > The photo has no identification as to who the person is. The only > reason > > > I think that it might be from my Bohemian ancestors is the fact that > the > > > frame appears to be made in "M. Czecho-slovakia" > > > > > > > > > > > > My Bohemian ancestors emigrated in 1878 from Oberberzdorf near > Reichenberg. > > > They were Wohlmann, and Herrmann. > > > > > > > > > > > > What you say makes me wonder if perhaps the photo could have been one > of > > > the > > > sons who did not emigrate in 1878 with the parents and 3 young > children. > > > My gr gr grandfather had a set of older children with his first wife. > > > So > > > perhaps one of them sent the picture. The frame could have been newer > > > than > > > the photo. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, Pam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 17:25:40 -0700 > > > > From: [email protected] > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Ornate photo frame "M. > Czecho-slovakia" > > > > > > > > Pam: The term "Czechoslovakia" was coined in 1918, not before. The > > > picture > > > > looks older, I would say before that time. One would need to know for > > > what > > > > purpose this picture was taken. In 1878 your ancestors were Austrian > > > > Hungarians from Bohemia or Moravia. I don't know what this M stands > for, > > > > unless they were from Moravia, instead of Bohemia, do you know? > Bohemia, > > > > Moravia and Slovakia were combined to form a new country from > Austrian > > > > monarchical lands and they called this combined area the Republic of > > > > Czechoslovakia, as of 1918. The men's fashion in that picture looks > to me > > > > like pre-WW1 (1914-1918), because after WW1 they did not wear these > > > pointed > > > > collars anymore. They had starched white shirt collars without the > > > points, > > > > but the collar then, was still separate from the shirt and was > delivered > > > > from the laundry in a round satchel. Then, in the late 1920 they > started > > > to > > > > have regular men's shirts, pretty much the way they are now, but > still > > > VERY > > > > starched. Do you know the person in that picture and what was the > reason > > > > for this photograph? Usually they photographed groom and bride > separately > > > > as well as together at the wedding photographer, or it might have > been > > > for > > > a > > > > professional promotion, or perhaps even an enlargement of a passport > > > photo?, > > > > But it could also be that someone brought a frame from what was > already > > > > Czechoslovakia and gave it to your relatives and they put an old > picture > > > in > > > > it. Do you know? > > > > Aida > > > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 5:00 PM, PJ Vazquez <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Among my family's old photos there is a very old looking ornate > frame > > > with > > > > > an old photo. The person is not identified. On the back of the > frame > > > > > there is a stamping "M. Czecho-slovakia". I wonder if any one knows > > > what > > > > > that means? What does the "M" stand for? At what time period would > > > > > Bohemia have been called as such? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My ancestors emigrated from Librec area 1878. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is a link to see the photo: I hope it will work for you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v229/PJ2004/Geneology/MCzecho-slovakia.jpg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, Pam > > > > > > > > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > > > without > > > > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > > > the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > > > the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Aida and Frank, I did think it odd that the name of the country was spelled with the dash. However, why would they put that stamp on there outside the country? Could there have been confusion in the beginning about the way to spell Czechoslovakia? I am still wondering if the photo was from a relative that lived in Czechoslovakia or if this frame had been sold in Germany then it could have been a different relation. Pam > Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 17:37:12 -0700 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Ornate photo frame "M. Czecho-slovakia" > > I think you are dead right, Frank, because there is a dash between Czecho > and slovakia. That was put on it outside the country, because anything > produced after 1918 would have Czechoslovakia (one word) on it. > Aida > > On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 5:34 PM, Frank Soural <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > For what it's worth: > > "M. Czecho-slovakia" is actually an English expression. It may have been > > made in Czecho - but produced for the English speaking world. > > The M. could be a symbol for "made" > > > > > > Frank > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > Aida: > > > > > > > > The photo has no identification as to who the person is. The only reason > > I think that it might be from my Bohemian ancestors is the fact that the > > frame appears to be made in "M. Czecho-slovakia" > > > > > > > > My Bohemian ancestors emigrated in 1878 from Oberberzdorf near Reichenberg. > > They were Wohlmann, and Herrmann. > > > > > > > > What you say makes me wonder if perhaps the photo could have been one of > > the > > sons who did not emigrate in 1878 with the parents and 3 young children. > > My gr gr grandfather had a set of older children with his first wife. > > So > > perhaps one of them sent the picture. The frame could have been newer > > than > > the photo. > > > > > > > > Thanks, Pam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 17:25:40 -0700 > > > From: [email protected] > > > To: [email protected] > > > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Ornate photo frame "M. Czecho-slovakia" > > > > > > Pam: The term "Czechoslovakia" was coined in 1918, not before. The > > picture > > > looks older, I would say before that time. One would need to know for > > what > > > purpose this picture was taken. In 1878 your ancestors were Austrian > > > Hungarians from Bohemia or Moravia. I don't know what this M stands for, > > > unless they were from Moravia, instead of Bohemia, do you know? Bohemia, > > > Moravia and Slovakia were combined to form a new country from Austrian > > > monarchical lands and they called this combined area the Republic of > > > Czechoslovakia, as of 1918. The men's fashion in that picture looks to me > > > like pre-WW1 (1914-1918), because after WW1 they did not wear these > > pointed > > > collars anymore. They had starched white shirt collars without the > > points, > > > but the collar then, was still separate from the shirt and was delivered > > > from the laundry in a round satchel. Then, in the late 1920 they started > > to > > > have regular men's shirts, pretty much the way they are now, but still > > VERY > > > starched. Do you know the person in that picture and what was the reason > > > for this photograph? Usually they photographed groom and bride separately > > > as well as together at the wedding photographer, or it might have been > > for > > a > > > professional promotion, or perhaps even an enlargement of a passport > > photo?, > > > But it could also be that someone brought a frame from what was already > > > Czechoslovakia and gave it to your relatives and they put an old picture > > in > > > it. Do you know? > > > Aida > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 5:00 PM, PJ Vazquez <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Among my family's old photos there is a very old looking ornate frame > > with > > > > an old photo. The person is not identified. On the back of the frame > > > > there is a stamping "M. Czecho-slovakia". I wonder if any one knows > > what > > > > that means? What does the "M" stand for? At what time period would > > > > Bohemia have been called as such? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My ancestors emigrated from Librec area 1878. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is a link to see the photo: I hope it will work for you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v229/PJ2004/Geneology/MCzecho-slovakia.jpg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, Pam > > > > > > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without > > > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The time frame is 1918, as I mentioned before. Aida On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 7:39 PM, PJ Vazquez <[email protected]> wrote: > > That's very interesting. I wonder if there is a certain time frame when > that was going on? The photo frame is very finely made with the back having > it's own stand attached and little prongs that lift up to open the back to > put the photo in place. > > Pam > > > > > > > To: [email protected] > > Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 22:32:46 -0400 > > From: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Ornate photo frame "M. Czecho-slovakia" > > > > > > When Czechoslovakia was first formed, a number of Slovaks felt they > should have more autonomy and contended that the name of the country should > be hyphenated. Of course, this never happened. However, through the years > supporters of this faction continued to spell the name of the country > Czecho-Slovakia in English. There is great evidence of this in some > Slovak/English newspapers and other publications in the US. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Aida Kraus <[email protected]> > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Mon, Apr 26, 2010 5:50 pm > > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Ornate photo frame "M. Czecho-slovakia" > > > > > > Who knows, Pam! One would need to know how old the picture is and how old > > the frame is, that might give us a bit more to go on. It is definitely > odd > > that there is a dash, although Bohemia, Moravia and Slovakia are three > > different countries which were all part of Austria Hungary. Slovakia was > > more Hungary oriented, but Moravia and Bohemia were definitely Austria > > oriented. Bohemia was a Kingdom and Moravia a Margravate both within the > > Empire > > Aida > > > > On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 2:29 PM, PJ Vazquez <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Aida and Frank, > > > > > > > > > > > > I did think it odd that the name of the country was spelled with the > dash. > > > However, why would they put that stamp on there outside the country? > > > Could there have been confusion in the beginning about the way to spell > > > Czechoslovakia? > > > > > > > > > > > > I am still wondering if the photo was from a relative that lived in > > > Czechoslovakia or if this frame had been sold in Germany then it could > have > > > been a different relation. > > > > > > > > > > > > Pam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 17:37:12 -0700 > > > > From: [email protected] > > > > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > > > > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Ornate photo frame "M. > Czecho-slovakia" > > > > > > > > I think you are dead right, Frank, because there is a dash between > Czecho > > > > and slovakia. That was put on it outside the country, because > anything > > > > produced after 1918 would have Czechoslovakia (one word) on it. > > > > Aida > > > > > > > > On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 5:34 PM, Frank Soural <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For what it's worth: > > > > > "M. Czecho-slovakia" is actually an English expression. It may have > > > been > > > > > made in Czecho - but produced for the English speaking world. > > > > > The M. could be a symbol for "made" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Frank > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aida: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The photo has no identification as to who the person is. The only > > > reason > > > > > I think that it might be from my Bohemian ancestors is the fact > that > > > the > > > > > frame appears to be made in "M. Czecho-slovakia" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My Bohemian ancestors emigrated in 1878 from Oberberzdorf near > > > Reichenberg. > > > > > They were Wohlmann, and Herrmann. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What you say makes me wonder if perhaps the photo could have been > one > > > of > > > > > the > > > > > sons who did not emigrate in 1878 with the parents and 3 young > > > children. > > > > > My gr gr grandfather had a set of older children with his first > wife. > > > > > So > > > > > perhaps one of them sent the picture. The frame could have been > newer > > > > > than > > > > > the photo. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, Pam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 17:25:40 -0700 > > > > > > From: [email protected] > > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Ornate photo frame "M. > > > Czecho-slovakia" > > > > > > > > > > > > Pam: The term "Czechoslovakia" was coined in 1918, not before. > The > > > > > picture > > > > > > looks older, I would say before that time. One would need to know > for > > > > > what > > > > > > purpose this picture was taken. In 1878 your ancestors were > Austrian > > > > > > Hungarians from Bohemia or Moravia. I don't know what this M > stands > > > for, > > > > > > unless they were from Moravia, instead of Bohemia, do you know? > > > Bohemia, > > > > > > Moravia and Slovakia were combined to form a new country from > > > Austrian > > > > > > monarchical lands and they called this combined area the Republic > of > > > > > > Czechoslovakia, as of 1918. The men's fashion in that picture > looks > > > to me > > > > > > like pre-WW1 (1914-1918), because after WW1 they did not wear > these > > > > > pointed > > > > > > collars anymore. They had starched white shirt collars without > the > > > > > points, > > > > > > but the collar then, was still separate from the shirt and was > > > delivered > > > > > > from the laundry in a round satchel. Then, in the late 1920 they > > > started > > > > > to > > > > > > have regular men's shirts, pretty much the way they are now, but > > > still > > > > > VERY > > > > > > starched. Do you know the person in that picture and what was the > > > reason > > > > > > for this photograph? Usually they photographed groom and bride > > > separately > > > > > > as well as together at the wedding photographer, or it might have > > > been > > > > > for > > > > > a > > > > > > professional promotion, or perhaps even an enlargement of a > passport > > > > > photo?, > > > > > > But it could also be that someone brought a frame from what was > > > already > > > > > > Czechoslovakia and gave it to your relatives and they put an old > > > picture > > > > > in > > > > > > it. Do you know? > > > > > > Aida > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 5:00 PM, PJ Vazquez < > [email protected]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Among my family's old photos there is a very old looking ornate > > > frame > > > > > with > > > > > > > an old photo. The person is not identified. On the back of the > > > frame > > > > > > > there is a stamping "M. Czecho-slovakia". I wonder if any one > knows > > > > > what > > > > > > > that means? What does the "M" stand for? At what time period > would > > > > > > > Bohemia have been called as such? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My ancestors emigrated from Librec area 1878. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is a link to see the photo: I hope it will work for you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v229/PJ2004/Geneology/MCzecho-slovakia.jpg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, Pam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site > > > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > > > > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' > > > > > without > > > > > > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > > > without > > > > > the > > > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > > > without > > > > > the > > > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > > > without > > > > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the > body of > > the message > > > > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Who knows, Pam! One would need to know how old the picture is and how old the frame is, that might give us a bit more to go on. It is definitely odd that there is a dash, although Bohemia, Moravia and Slovakia are three different countries which were all part of Austria Hungary. Slovakia was more Hungary oriented, but Moravia and Bohemia were definitely Austria oriented. Bohemia was a Kingdom and Moravia a Margravate both within the Empire Aida On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 2:29 PM, PJ Vazquez <[email protected]> wrote: > > Aida and Frank, > > > > I did think it odd that the name of the country was spelled with the dash. > However, why would they put that stamp on there outside the country? > Could there have been confusion in the beginning about the way to spell > Czechoslovakia? > > > > I am still wondering if the photo was from a relative that lived in > Czechoslovakia or if this frame had been sold in Germany then it could have > been a different relation. > > > > Pam > > > > > > > > > Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 17:37:12 -0700 > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Ornate photo frame "M. Czecho-slovakia" > > > > I think you are dead right, Frank, because there is a dash between Czecho > > and slovakia. That was put on it outside the country, because anything > > produced after 1918 would have Czechoslovakia (one word) on it. > > Aida > > > > On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 5:34 PM, Frank Soural <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > For what it's worth: > > > "M. Czecho-slovakia" is actually an English expression. It may have > been > > > made in Czecho - but produced for the English speaking world. > > > The M. could be a symbol for "made" > > > > > > > > > Frank > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > Aida: > > > > > > > > > > > > The photo has no identification as to who the person is. The only > reason > > > I think that it might be from my Bohemian ancestors is the fact that > the > > > frame appears to be made in "M. Czecho-slovakia" > > > > > > > > > > > > My Bohemian ancestors emigrated in 1878 from Oberberzdorf near > Reichenberg. > > > They were Wohlmann, and Herrmann. > > > > > > > > > > > > What you say makes me wonder if perhaps the photo could have been one > of > > > the > > > sons who did not emigrate in 1878 with the parents and 3 young > children. > > > My gr gr grandfather had a set of older children with his first wife. > > > So > > > perhaps one of them sent the picture. The frame could have been newer > > > than > > > the photo. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, Pam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 17:25:40 -0700 > > > > From: [email protected] > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Ornate photo frame "M. > Czecho-slovakia" > > > > > > > > Pam: The term "Czechoslovakia" was coined in 1918, not before. The > > > picture > > > > looks older, I would say before that time. One would need to know for > > > what > > > > purpose this picture was taken. In 1878 your ancestors were Austrian > > > > Hungarians from Bohemia or Moravia. I don't know what this M stands > for, > > > > unless they were from Moravia, instead of Bohemia, do you know? > Bohemia, > > > > Moravia and Slovakia were combined to form a new country from > Austrian > > > > monarchical lands and they called this combined area the Republic of > > > > Czechoslovakia, as of 1918. The men's fashion in that picture looks > to me > > > > like pre-WW1 (1914-1918), because after WW1 they did not wear these > > > pointed > > > > collars anymore. They had starched white shirt collars without the > > > points, > > > > but the collar then, was still separate from the shirt and was > delivered > > > > from the laundry in a round satchel. Then, in the late 1920 they > started > > > to > > > > have regular men's shirts, pretty much the way they are now, but > still > > > VERY > > > > starched. Do you know the person in that picture and what was the > reason > > > > for this photograph? Usually they photographed groom and bride > separately > > > > as well as together at the wedding photographer, or it might have > been > > > for > > > a > > > > professional promotion, or perhaps even an enlargement of a passport > > > photo?, > > > > But it could also be that someone brought a frame from what was > already > > > > Czechoslovakia and gave it to your relatives and they put an old > picture > > > in > > > > it. Do you know? > > > > Aida > > > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 5:00 PM, PJ Vazquez <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Among my family's old photos there is a very old looking ornate > frame > > > with > > > > > an old photo. The person is not identified. On the back of the > frame > > > > > there is a stamping "M. Czecho-slovakia". I wonder if any one knows > > > what > > > > > that means? What does the "M" stand for? At what time period would > > > > > Bohemia have been called as such? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My ancestors emigrated from Librec area 1878. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is a link to see the photo: I hope it will work for you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v229/PJ2004/Geneology/MCzecho-slovakia.jpg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, Pam > > > > > > > > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > > > without > > > > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > > > the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > > > the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Aida: The photo has no identification as to who the person is. The only reason I think that it might be from my Bohemian ancestors is the fact that the frame appears to be made in "M. Czecho-slovakia" My Bohemian ancestors emigrated in 1878 from Oberberzdorf near Reichenberg. They were Wohlmann, and Herrmann. What you say makes me wonder if perhaps the photo could have been one of the sons who did not emigrate in 1878 with the parents and 3 young children. My gr gr grandfather had a set of older children with his first wife. So perhaps one of them sent the picture. The frame could have been newer than the photo. Thanks, Pam > Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 17:25:40 -0700 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Ornate photo frame "M. Czecho-slovakia" > > Pam: The term "Czechoslovakia" was coined in 1918, not before. The picture > looks older, I would say before that time. One would need to know for what > purpose this picture was taken. In 1878 your ancestors were Austrian > Hungarians from Bohemia or Moravia. I don't know what this M stands for, > unless they were from Moravia, instead of Bohemia, do you know? Bohemia, > Moravia and Slovakia were combined to form a new country from Austrian > monarchical lands and they called this combined area the Republic of > Czechoslovakia, as of 1918. The men's fashion in that picture looks to me > like pre-WW1 (1914-1918), because after WW1 they did not wear these pointed > collars anymore. They had starched white shirt collars without the points, > but the collar then, was still separate from the shirt and was delivered > from the laundry in a round satchel. Then, in the late 1920 they started to > have regular men's shirts, pretty much the way they are now, but still VERY > starched. Do you know the person in that picture and what was the reason > for this photograph? Usually they photographed groom and bride separately > as well as together at the wedding photographer, or it might have been for a > professional promotion, or perhaps even an enlargement of a passport photo?, > But it could also be that someone brought a frame from what was already > Czechoslovakia and gave it to your relatives and they put an old picture in > it. Do you know? > Aida > > On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 5:00 PM, PJ Vazquez <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > Among my family's old photos there is a very old looking ornate frame with > > an old photo. The person is not identified. On the back of the frame > > there is a stamping "M. Czecho-slovakia". I wonder if any one knows what > > that means? What does the "M" stand for? At what time period would > > Bohemia have been called as such? > > > > > > > > My ancestors emigrated from Librec area 1878. > > > > > > > > Here is a link to see the photo: I hope it will work for you. > > > > > > http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v229/PJ2004/Geneology/MCzecho-slovakia.jpg > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, Pam > > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

For what it's worth: "M. Czecho-slovakia" is actually an English expression. It may have been made in Czecho - but produced for the English speaking world. The M. could be a symbol for "made" Frank --------------------------------------------------------------- Aida: The photo has no identification as to who the person is. The only reason I think that it might be from my Bohemian ancestors is the fact that the frame appears to be made in "M. Czecho-slovakia" My Bohemian ancestors emigrated in 1878 from Oberberzdorf near Reichenberg. They were Wohlmann, and Herrmann. What you say makes me wonder if perhaps the photo could have been one of the sons who did not emigrate in 1878 with the parents and 3 young children. My gr gr grandfather had a set of older children with his first wife. So perhaps one of them sent the picture. The frame could have been newer than the photo. Thanks, Pam > Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 17:25:40 -0700 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Ornate photo frame "M. Czecho-slovakia" > > Pam: The term "Czechoslovakia" was coined in 1918, not before. The picture > looks older, I would say before that time. One would need to know for what > purpose this picture was taken. In 1878 your ancestors were Austrian > Hungarians from Bohemia or Moravia. I don't know what this M stands for, > unless they were from Moravia, instead of Bohemia, do you know? Bohemia, > Moravia and Slovakia were combined to form a new country from Austrian > monarchical lands and they called this combined area the Republic of > Czechoslovakia, as of 1918. The men's fashion in that picture looks to me > like pre-WW1 (1914-1918), because after WW1 they did not wear these pointed > collars anymore. They had starched white shirt collars without the points, > but the collar then, was still separate from the shirt and was delivered > from the laundry in a round satchel. Then, in the late 1920 they started to > have regular men's shirts, pretty much the way they are now, but still VERY > starched. Do you know the person in that picture and what was the reason > for this photograph? Usually they photographed groom and bride separately > as well as together at the wedding photographer, or it might have been for a > professional promotion, or perhaps even an enlargement of a passport photo?, > But it could also be that someone brought a frame from what was already > Czechoslovakia and gave it to your relatives and they put an old picture in > it. Do you know? > Aida > > On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 5:00 PM, PJ Vazquez <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > Among my family's old photos there is a very old looking ornate frame with > > an old photo. The person is not identified. On the back of the frame > > there is a stamping "M. Czecho-slovakia". I wonder if any one knows what > > that means? What does the "M" stand for? At what time period would > > Bohemia have been called as such? > > > > > > > > My ancestors emigrated from Librec area 1878. > > > > > > > > Here is a link to see the photo: I hope it will work for you. > > > > > > http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v229/PJ2004/Geneology/MCzecho-slovakia.jpg > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, Pam > > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I think you are dead right, Frank, because there is a dash between Czecho and slovakia. That was put on it outside the country, because anything produced after 1918 would have Czechoslovakia (one word) on it. Aida On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 5:34 PM, Frank Soural <[email protected]> wrote: > > For what it's worth: > "M. Czecho-slovakia" is actually an English expression. It may have been > made in Czecho - but produced for the English speaking world. > The M. could be a symbol for "made" > > > Frank > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Aida: > > > > The photo has no identification as to who the person is. The only reason > I think that it might be from my Bohemian ancestors is the fact that the > frame appears to be made in "M. Czecho-slovakia" > > > > My Bohemian ancestors emigrated in 1878 from Oberberzdorf near Reichenberg. > They were Wohlmann, and Herrmann. > > > > What you say makes me wonder if perhaps the photo could have been one of > the > sons who did not emigrate in 1878 with the parents and 3 young children. > My gr gr grandfather had a set of older children with his first wife. > So > perhaps one of them sent the picture. The frame could have been newer > than > the photo. > > > > Thanks, Pam > > > > > > > > Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 17:25:40 -0700 > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Ornate photo frame "M. Czecho-slovakia" > > > > Pam: The term "Czechoslovakia" was coined in 1918, not before. The > picture > > looks older, I would say before that time. One would need to know for > what > > purpose this picture was taken. In 1878 your ancestors were Austrian > > Hungarians from Bohemia or Moravia. I don't know what this M stands for, > > unless they were from Moravia, instead of Bohemia, do you know? Bohemia, > > Moravia and Slovakia were combined to form a new country from Austrian > > monarchical lands and they called this combined area the Republic of > > Czechoslovakia, as of 1918. The men's fashion in that picture looks to me > > like pre-WW1 (1914-1918), because after WW1 they did not wear these > pointed > > collars anymore. They had starched white shirt collars without the > points, > > but the collar then, was still separate from the shirt and was delivered > > from the laundry in a round satchel. Then, in the late 1920 they started > to > > have regular men's shirts, pretty much the way they are now, but still > VERY > > starched. Do you know the person in that picture and what was the reason > > for this photograph? Usually they photographed groom and bride separately > > as well as together at the wedding photographer, or it might have been > for > a > > professional promotion, or perhaps even an enlargement of a passport > photo?, > > But it could also be that someone brought a frame from what was already > > Czechoslovakia and gave it to your relatives and they put an old picture > in > > it. Do you know? > > Aida > > > > On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 5:00 PM, PJ Vazquez <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > > > > > Among my family's old photos there is a very old looking ornate frame > with > > > an old photo. The person is not identified. On the back of the frame > > > there is a stamping "M. Czecho-slovakia". I wonder if any one knows > what > > > that means? What does the "M" stand for? At what time period would > > > Bohemia have been called as such? > > > > > > > > > > > > My ancestors emigrated from Librec area 1878. > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is a link to see the photo: I hope it will work for you. > > > > > > > > > > > http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v229/PJ2004/Geneology/MCzecho-slovakia.jpg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, Pam > > > > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

There are two Ober-Berzdorf, one called Horni Pertoltice near Friedland, the other is near Reichenberg (Liberec) and the one you are looking for. Oberberzdorf is now called Horni Sucha. For location go to this link, it will bring up the historical German map. The link to it is: http://www.mapy.cz/#[email protected][email protected][email protected]=Horni%[email protected][email protected][email protected][email protected][email protected]=11 At present, it is practically a suburb of Reichenberg (Liberec). You can also key in "Horni Sucha" in your browser at Google and request the translation of the webpage for the history. The Wohlmanns and Herrmanns of your ancestry were obviously Germans, so their families were expelled to Germany in 1945, after WW2, all their property was confiscated then, so you will hardly find anyone of your family there remaining, unless their offsprings were married to Czech nationals. You can find that in the church registers also. The Berzdorf and Oberberzdorf church records were administered at Kratzau between 1650 and 1756, and from then on they were in the registers as listed below. All these tomes are available in the Czech archives on microfilm and perhaps very soon on the internet. Pay attention to the "Buch numbers" those are Church Tomes (Registers) --- see where you can find Oberberzdorf and copy the Tomes (Buch Nos). You will have to look in these register to find Wohlmann and Herrmann. Aida This is what is available: 3 C * 1718-1746 i/s Reichenberg, Alt- u. Neu-Harzdorf, Alt- u. Neu-Paulsdorf, oo 1718-1754 Johannesthal, Franzendorf, Rosenthal, Berzdorf, Ruppersdorf, Rudolfsthal, Alt-Habendorf, Schwarau, Sch�nborn, Ratschendorf, Katharinberg 4 D * 1747-1765 i/s Orte wie Buch 3 oo 1755-1770 5 E * 1766-1770 i/s Orte wie Buch 3 6 F * 1771-1780 i/s Reichenberg, Alt- u. Neu-Harzdorf, Rosenthal, Johannesthal, Franzendorf, Berzdorf, Karolinsfeld, Alt- u. Neu-Paulsdorf, Ruppersdorf, Rudolfsthal 7 G * 1781-1784 i/s Orte wie Buch 6, mit Oberberzdorf 8 H * 1784-1787 i/s Orte wie Buch 7, Oberberzdorf nur 1787 9 K * 1788-1793 i/s Orte wie Buch 7 10 M * 1794-1798 i/s Neu-Harzdorf, Alt- u. Neu-Paulsdorf, Berzdorf, Oberberzdorf, Karolinsfeld, Franzendorf, Johannesthal, Rosenthal, Rudolfsthal, Ruppersdorf 1793-1798 Alt-Harzdorf 11 IIa oo 1771-1784 i/s Orte wie Buch 6 12 IIb oo 1784-1798 i/s Reichenberg 1784-1793 Alt- u. Neu-Harzdorf, Alt- u. Neu-Paulsdorf, Berzdorf, Karolinsfeld, Franzendorf, Johannesthal, Rosenthal, Rudolfsthal, Ruppersdorf 1787-1793 Oberberzdorf 13 IID oo 1793-1811 i/s Orte wie Buch 10 14 IIE oo 1812-1828 i/s Berzdorf, Franzendorf, Rudolfsthal 1812-1829 Ruppersdorf, Alt-Habendorf 1812-1830 Neu-Harzdorf, Johannesthal, Katharinberg, Ratschendorf 1812-1831 Neu-Paulsdorf 1812-1832 Alt-Harzdorf, Karolinsfeld 1812-1834 Oberberzdorf, Rosenthal 1812-1835 Sch�nborn, Schwarau 1812-1836 Alt-Paulsdorf 1812-1838 Neuhabendorf 15 IIIA + 1706-1718 i/s Orte wie Buch 6 1731-1746 1731-1771 Alt-Habendorf, Katharinberg, Sch�nborn, Ratschendorf, Schwarau 16 IIIB + 1747-1751 i/s Orte wie Buch 6 17 IIIC + 1752-1762 i/s Orte wie Buch 6 18 IIID + 1763-1771 i/s Orte wie Buch 6 19 IIIE + 1771-1784 i/s Orte wie Buch 6 20 IIIG + 1784-1793 i/s Orte wie Buch 6 1787-1793 Oberberzdorf 21 IIIL + 1793-1804 i/s Orte wie Buch 10 22 IIIM + 1805-1810 i/s Orte wie Buch 10 23 IIIN + 1811-1822 i/s Orte wie Buch 10 24 IIIO + 1823-1835 i/s Alt-Harzdorf, Neu-Paulsdorf, Johannesthal 1823-1837 Neu-Harzdorf, Ruppersdorf 1823-1839 Oberberzdorf 1823-1841 Alt-Paulsdorf, Karolinsfeld 1823-1842 Berzdorf, Franzendorf, Rosenthal, Rudolfsthal On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 4:03 PM, PJ Vazquez <[email protected]> wrote: > > Aida: > > > > The photo has no identification as to who the person is. The only reason > I think that it might be from my Bohemian ancestors is the fact that the > frame appears to be made in "M. Czecho-slovakia" > > > > My Bohemian ancestors emigrated in 1878 from Oberberzdorf near Reichenberg. > They were Wohlmann, and Herrmann. > > > > What you say makes me wonder if perhaps the photo could have been one of > the sons who did not emigrate in 1878 with the parents and 3 young children. > My gr gr grandfather had a set of older children with his first wife. > So perhaps one of them sent the picture. The frame could have been newer > than the photo. > > > > Thanks, Pam > > > > > > > > Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 17:25:40 -0700 > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Ornate photo frame "M. Czecho-slovakia" > > > > Pam: The term "Czechoslovakia" was coined in 1918, not before. The > picture > > looks older, I would say before that time. One would need to know for > what > > purpose this picture was taken. In 1878 your ancestors were Austrian > > Hungarians from Bohemia or Moravia. I don't know what this M stands for, > > unless they were from Moravia, instead of Bohemia, do you know? Bohemia, > > Moravia and Slovakia were combined to form a new country from Austrian > > monarchical lands and they called this combined area the Republic of > > Czechoslovakia, as of 1918. The men's fashion in that picture looks to me > > like pre-WW1 (1914-1918), because after WW1 they did not wear these > pointed > > collars anymore. They had starched white shirt collars without the > points, > > but the collar then, was still separate from the shirt and was delivered > > from the laundry in a round satchel. Then, in the late 1920 they started > to > > have regular men's shirts, pretty much the way they are now, but still > VERY > > starched. Do you know the person in that picture and what was the reason > > for this photograph? Usually they photographed groom and bride separately > > as well as together at the wedding photographer, or it might have been > for a > > professional promotion, or perhaps even an enlargement of a passport > photo?, > > But it could also be that someone brought a frame from what was already > > Czechoslovakia and gave it to your relatives and they put an old picture > in > > it. Do you know? > > Aida > > > > On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 5:00 PM, PJ Vazquez <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > > > > > Among my family's old photos there is a very old looking ornate frame > with > > > an old photo. The person is not identified. On the back of the frame > > > there is a stamping "M. Czecho-slovakia". I wonder if any one knows > what > > > that means? What does the "M" stand for? At what time period would > > > Bohemia have been called as such? > > > > > > > > > > > > My ancestors emigrated from Librec area 1878. > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is a link to see the photo: I hope it will work for you. > > > > > > > > > > http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v229/PJ2004/Geneology/MCzecho-slovakia.jpg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, Pam > > > > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello, Among my family's old photos there is a very old looking ornate frame with an old photo. The person is not identified. On the back of the frame there is a stamping "M. Czecho-slovakia". I wonder if any one knows what that means? What does the "M" stand for? At what time period would Bohemia have been called as such? My ancestors emigrated from Librec area 1878. Here is a link to see the photo: I hope it will work for you. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v229/PJ2004/Geneology/MCzecho-slovakia.jpg Thanks, Pam

This is an old travelogue like the ones we watched in the movie theaters in the late 40s and early 50s. It's about Minnesota and I thought I was interesting... _http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=FPw6MKhgtdo_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=FPw6MKhgtdo) Karen

The first settlers in Minnesota's "wheatlands" arrived on foot - walking from the nearest river port along the Mississippi. They struggled through prairie grass that was often as tall as they were to find the place where they would stop to build. The group of Germans who established New Ulm arrived about 1853. They included the Bernhard Reinhardt family who paddled rafts and walked along the Minnesota River to the point they chose to camp during the first winter. It was an abandoned Lakota camp with teepees containing some blankets and other supplies left behind because there had been a smallpox epidemic among the indians. Some of the Indianr dead were still there,tied to trees in open "burials" leaving them for the birds to pick the bones clean. The dead left behind also warned anyone passing by that there was smallpox in the camp. By 1853 vaccination was fairly common in Europe and where it was not, there had been enough exposure to Smallpox that it was endemic and anyone who caught it did not get all that sick. Small children and elderly were the ones most at risk that first winter these first settlers spent in Indian teepees and although there was some sickness it seemed to be only isolated cases. The Indians returned in the spring and they were angry to see strangers using their camp, including Bernhardt Reinhardt and his family. His ten-year-old daughter, Anna, was among them. She later married my great uncle and as a pioneer settler of the area, she was well-known and highly respected. Her obituary was the featured headline on the front page of the Fairfax Standard. The Fairfax Standard had a number of interesting stories about the RR arriving in Fairfax MN (south central MN) in 1872. The railhead was at Fairfax for some time while supplies for continued construction farther west could be stockpiled. Fairfax was at a crossroad where an E-W roadway met the N-S main road to New Ulm. Back then the area farms were still being developed but wheat seemed to be a preferred crop. Maybe that was because the farmers mostly needed it to feed themselves at first. Fairfax which was a little village with one hotel / restaurant, a general store and a few houses at the time. The hotel was owned by an Irish family who were said to have had a beautiful daughter and six sons. The Irish were clanish and did not welcome mixing socially with the largely German population in the nearby area. Fortunately there was a large Irish settlement NE of Fairfax in Green Isle County (founded by Bishop Ireland) so they could have a social life if they had time for it. The Irish innkeeper's sons were very protective of their sister and the story told in the Fairfax Centennial editions of the Fairfax Standard and in the Centennial book published by the same local newspaper was that German customers were welcome to use the hotel and to eat in the restaurant, but that was all. If any unmarried German farmer were too friendly with their sister as she worked in the restaurant, the six boys would be waiting for him when he left the place. Their warnings to stay away from their sister would be punctuatted with bruising punches that would be enough to discourage any young man. My great uncle Adelbert / Albert Traegner's wife was a very pretty Irish woman who had worked in a restaurant before they married. I have often wondered if she were the same daughter of the Fairfax innkeeper. The Traegner farm was just a few miles south of Fairfax, almost on the main N-S road. Albert probably made frequent visits to Fairfax rather than go farther to New Ulm once the RR came through and the town developed its main street. A lot of the RR workers and track-layers were Irish and they were a rowdy, hard drinking group. For a while after the railhead reached Fairfax the town was pretty much like any "wild West" town with gunfire heard fairly frequently. Gun-toting gamblers and "Shady Ladies" working out of their own rail cars followed the track-layers as they arrived and then left with them when they moved on. One of the first RR-inspired enterprises to go up in Fairfax was a shanty that served as a stand-up bar and liquor store. The owner built it quickly in order to get his stock of bottles on sale as soon as possible. He did a huge business with the RR workers from the moment he opened on the first day. That night he locked up as best he could and went elsewhere to sleep. When he returned the next day he found that his "bar" had been robbed and all his remaining stock was gone. He was not too cooncerned -- he had made so much money the first day that he was able to start over with a more proper building and new stock that arrived on one of the next trains. Leo and I watched an old movie titled "Union Pacific" a few nights ago. It was about rowdy Irish track layers who built the tracks of the first cross-country RR from Nebraska to Promontory Point in Utah. There the California and East tracks joined the Nebraska and West system. The movie starred all the most famous Irish actors (Eroll Flynn, Joel McCrea, etc.) . It showed how the track-layers lived and how the businessmen who fed on them were able to set up at every "next railhead". The saloons, casinos, restaurants, laundries and other services were housed in buildings that had prefabricated walls. They were simply taken apart and shipped on to the next railhead or workers camp when the trains moved on. I thought of what I had read about Fairfax in 1872 while we watched that movie. I remember that while I was growing up the wheatlands of central and southwest MN supplied important mills in the twin cities (General Mills) and in Red Wing (where I was born) Winona and other river towns like New Ulm and LeSueur. Recently when we have visited MN I have seen few wheatfields compared to what I remember when I was younger. Corn, soybeans and other crops seem to MN moneycrops now. At least that is how it appears in South-Central MN when I have been there. Maybe wheat is still important farther west in MN -- perhaps closer to the Dakotas. Karen In a message dated 8/5/2009 5:30:58 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: I am interested in the train routes that my family traveled on from Chicago, Illinois to the Wheatland area of Minnesota.? This would be near Minneapolis, Minnesota. Shirley German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message