Hi Jean, one can be found on German wikipedia: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_deutscher_Bezeichnungen_tschechischer_Orte Blanka Dne 6.6.2010 22:40, jean tauer napsal(a): > Does anyone know where I can find the names of Czech villages and their corresponding German name from before WWII. I know one exists, but can't remember where I saw it. Jean Tauer > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

For those of you who have the Czech place name and are looking for the German equivalent try www.mapy.cz then click on fotomapy which will give you a satellite picture of what the village looks like today and then click on historicky there you will find a mid nineteen century map with its original German name. And if that does not help there are always gazetteers online

When I was not able to find villages of Trohatin / Drahotin on the other sites, this site was helpful for me... http://www.jewishgen.org/Communities/ I used "search for place by name" and it also maps it and lists other villages in the same vicinity... Mark Mark Prokosch -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of jean tauer Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2010 4:41 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] German/Czech Village names Does anyone know where I can find the names of Czech villages and their corresponding German name from before WWII.  I know one exists, but can't remember where I saw it.  Jean Tauer German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The one submitted by Blanka is the better one, I just found it also - the prior one I posted http://www.hartau.de/PBM/Protektorat.html are German village names within the Czech area of the Protectorate, here are all of them. Dont' forget, he entire area of Bohemia contained German settlements: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_deutscher_Bezeichnungen_tschechischer_Orte <http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_deutscher_Bezeichnungen_tschechischer_Orte> Aida ------------------------------ On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 1:47 PM, Aida Kraus <[email protected]> wrote: > See if this will help you: > http://www.hartau.de/PBM/Protektorat.html > Aida > > > On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 1:40 PM, jean tauer <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Does anyone know where I can find the names of Czech villages and their >> corresponding German name from before WWII. I know one exists, but can't >> remember where I saw it. Jean Tauer >> German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >

See if this will help you: http://www.hartau.de/PBM/Protektorat.html Aida On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 1:40 PM, jean tauer <[email protected]> wrote: > Does anyone know where I can find the names of Czech villages and their > corresponding German name from before WWII. I know one exists, but can't > remember where I saw it. Jean Tauer > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Does anyone know where I can find the names of Czech villages and their corresponding German name from before WWII.  I know one exists, but can't remember where I saw it.  Jean Tauer

http://www.cas.umn.edu/assets/pdf/GerExpellee.pdf <http://www.cas.umn.edu/assets/pdf/GerExpellee.pdf>In my opinion, this is the best thesis I have read on the tragedy at the end of WW2 and strongly believe that all of you, who are leaving genealogical documents to their descendants, should include a printed copy of this paper. Gary B. Cohen of the Department of History at the University of Minnesota has done a comprehensive study of all expulsions in Europe from their chosen homelands at the end of WW2. An awareness must be built among people that removing groups from their chosen homeland is equal to destruction of their lives, cultures, and livelihoods. Human rights should also contain the right to their ancestral homeland. For the best understanding to all of us in our country, let us be aware, of what it has done to our own Indian tribes. I understand, that Gary B Cohen has made an impressive presentation at the last meeting of the German Bohemian Heritage Society and I feel that the text of his speech should be shared with the readership of this List. Aida

I have translated a letter I received from the Austrian Genealogical Society which is making us aware of "on line" obituaries extracted from various newspapers published within the Old Austrian Hungarian Monarchy. While they have made good progress with the larger cities, your own research may carry you to individual smaller towns. Should you research such obits of a particular village, you are invited to capture the entire list for their records. A contact email is given to project manager Claudia Weck, who coordinates this effort. The translation of the newsletter from the Austrian Genealogical Society is below. Aida Wiener Genealogenstammtisch (WGSt.) c / o Günther Ofner, Gentzgasse 59 / 9, A-1180 Vienna, Austria http://familia-austria.net/forschung/index.php?title=WIENER_GENEALOGEN_-_STAMMTISCH Ladies and gentlemen! As you probably know, our club FAMILIA AUSTRIA extracted obituaries not only from the Wiener Zeitung 1703 - 1884 (currently over 638 000 records = http://www.familia-austria.at ) We have about 60% of the overall project in our database available. Link: / wiener zeitung / wz_daten.php, and not only from the Wiener Zeitung but from other cities of the old Habsburg monarchy. A more detailed description can be found at: As of February 2010 we have started with newspapers from: - Prague - Bratislava - Pest (Ofenpest / Budapest) - Innsbruck - Klagenfurt Soon we will add: - Baden bei Wien . These cities are also in our program - Bludenz (Vorarlberg) - Eger (Bohemia) - Graz (Steiermark) - Mikulov (Moravia) - Liberec (Bohemia) FAMILIA AUSTRIA is looking for volunteers and invites you to participate in this project, especially if one of these city is of interest to you in your research. The system is similar to the project Wiener Zeitung. You can contact the project manager Claudia Weck [email protected] for enhanced Excel data entry. The newspapers themselves are old (available with one exception) accessible from the network, so anyone from any point on this earth can participate. The final months will be fed into a new database of project FAMILIA AUSTRIA. 7000 records have now been captured and this new database will soon unlock periodicals. As with the project Wiener Zeitung, this database is not only for interested researchers of cities mentioned here, but when finished will include obituaries from the surrounding regions of the entire Habsburg monarchy. This project of the Wiener Zeitung can only become reality when many colleagues join in the program PERIODICA. Since some of these towns were rather small at that time, it is a small manageable monthly list of about 40-50 records. FAMILIA AUSTRIA therefore invites you to participate in the project to record information from these periodicals and thus help to expand knowledge for the benefit of all family researchers in Central Europe. To coordinate the project, monthly reservations, Excel data entry table, and any questions about this project please use: [email protected] Yours sincerely, Dkfm. Helmuth Tautermann & Günter Ofner Viennese genealogist's table (WGSt.)

Aida, beautiful written!! LoVe Susie In a message dated 6/3/2010 3:26:46 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: In answer to Steve: The fact is that you have no choice between such evils, because you are facing a mob that is totally uncontrolled. But what makes me even sadder, is the fact that after the horror we experienced under the Hitler regime, these victorious liberators arriving from the East trumped and escalated the transgressions against mankind a hundredfold. A German was considered unprotected by any law and you could do to him anything you wished. Let me tell you that "shooting people" was the mildest form of getting transported out of this world against all those other bestialities committed which I do not want to touch here, because they are too horrible. They are graphically explained in the witness reports which were promptly buried in the Bonn archives for 50 years. There was no differentiation made if you were a Nazi supporter or not. It was enough for you to speak the German language. We did not have dark skin, like some Americans here, and who were also discriminated against, so they gave us a white arm band to wear. If you read the events at Prague of May 1945, where from each lamppost along the street a body dangled wearing a uniform, you will understand the total incredibility of it all. Even the whipping of naked German women through the streets was “mild” in comparison what “else” has happened there. Luckily, we lived not at Prague, but in the Egerland, more to the West, and the presence of US troops protected us from such immediate onslaught. Nevertheless people were kicked out of their homes in the middle of the night with nothing to wear but their bedclothes and sat in front of the door of their locked front door with everything you needed, held dear or knew, firmly locked behind. Considering the bodily and material harm done to nearly 16 Million Germans who were displaced and pressed into a bombed out Germany, we also noticed that an amazing time of immediate rebuilding had started with so many more hands available. There was a lot of rubble with usable building material in it, there was no food, but in the fires we built to keep warm, a potato found a way into the ashes from time to time. Everyone knew that there was no other way to go but “up”… we were so low, that it was not possible to sink any lower. Personal cleanliness was difficult, but suddenly more important than when we had bathtubs, and while wearing rags, singing songs, reciting poetry and talking about art, or even artfully stacking up the bricks we had cleaned, it all became a motivator to bring in a “new time.” Not one of us would steal from the other, ever! As one and all we HURT an incredible hurt, which you cannot imagine. You cannot imagine the unbridled venom hurled at us who grieved in shame, feeling impotent and full of agonizing injustice. Was there anyone in the world who cared for us? We were at rock bottom; there was not one step lower than this. If you read the witness reports, you will understand what it has cost the Expellees to declare their Charta to the world and to refrain from any kind of retaliation of so much injustice for the sake of peace. And unless we can learn from this, unless we stop looking at others as inferiors or as hateful objects, our humankind will not have learned a single thing from their past. As long the ugly head of greed, self aggrandizement, racial, national or religious opinion is raised setting one man against the other there is no hope for humankind. But if we have learned something from these times, if we reach out to others who do not think as we do, if we motivate our opponents to pull on the same strings to preserve our commonly needful earth environment, then the bonds of all differences will fall like shackles from our limbs. BECAUSE going to war solves NOTHING! Not in the past, not now, and not ever! The words of our Charta by the Expellees after WW2 should be read by all! Aida Link to witness reports – read No. 62 http://www.wintersonnenwende.com/scriptorium/english/archives/whitebook/desg 00.html Words of Charta: http://www.bund-der-vertriebenen.de/derbdv/charta-en.php3 On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 6:56 AM, Steve Felten <[email protected]>wrote: > My Slovak grandparents got out before WWI. We should all be thankful as > Americans that we don't have to choose between such horrific evils. > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Cecelia, below is the post from Ken Chromy that does a wonderful job of explaining how to get onto the Pilsen archives. Best wishes. Jack Schaffer I do not really read or write much Czech, but have been able to get logged on and find family parish records, so I will attempt to guide those that need some help with instructions below. When they first came online in early January, things seemed to work fairly easily, but as they’ve added more parishes and attempted to correct some problems, things have seemed to go south on them. I currently can’t get records to load for the parishes that I have interest it. I am not sure whether this is affecting all their parish books (I don’t think so) or not. From their comment that they have posted, I believe they are aware of this and are working on it so it should be just a matter of time until things are working better again. The archive at http://www.actapublica.eu/ contains records for both the Pilsen and Brno Archives. Unlike the Trebon Archives (which by the way seems much easier to navigate) you must first register to have access to these records. I use a google tool bar that automatically translates most of the html code on pages (not the actual images). I really does a fairly decent job and most translations make some sense. I will list things below as they appear in Czech with some English translations. Go to www.actapublica.eu There are four icons across the page below the words Prohlizeni matrik (Viewing registers) * Informace o projektu * Registrace nového uživatele/New registration * Náhledy aplikace * Přihlášení do systému (Log into the system) It is the second one you need to register at and the last one after you are registered to get logged in. Click “New registration”. The words in red says, “When entering the login name (login) and login password Enter the characters without diacritical marks and no spaces.” I think all of the boxes have English descriptions following the Czech words. There is one for “Číslo OP/Doc. No.” It won’t let you complete the registration unless you put sometime in this box. They want an identity number. I used my drivers license number and it worked fine. I’ve heard some people used a passport number or made up a number (as they were concerned about identity theft) and that also works, I don’t know if it does, I just know you can’t leave it blank. Near the end, you have to check the box in front of “Souhlasím s podmínkami užití služeb/I agree with term of use” and then click the box “Registravat se” That should get you registered. You can now go back to the home page and click on the 4th icon, to log into the system. Enter your login name in the first box, your password in the second box and click on “Prihlasit se” below. Don’t click on “zapomenuté heslo” as that means “Forgotten Password”. The next page shows a section boxed in called “vyhledavani” meaning “search”. In the beginning you should be in the Brno archives - see the second line that says “Archiv”. To work in the Pilsen region, select the drop down box in the first line that says “Statni oblastni archiv v Plzni” and click on the icon “Zobrazit”. That should change the archive from Brno to Pilsen. Now you will need to enter the village name that you are looking for. Actually, you’ll probably only want to enter the first part of the village name as it will search through those that are available and allow you to select from a drop down section the village/parish combination that you want.. You don’t have to do anything in the next two boxes, just click on the icon “Hledat” (Search). You may get a page that comes up with the phrase, “Matriky pro tuto obec nejsou zatím zadané v systému.” This means Registers for this community are not yet entered in the system. Or, you could get a listing of the parish books that have the village name you entered. If so, the columns roughly mean: Parish and book # District (like counties here in the states) Municipality - putting the curser over the number in this column shows the names of the villages in this book Source (generally which Roman Catholic Parish) Births Marriages Deaths Indexes - they use a star for birth indexes, circle for marriage indexes and plus sign for death indexes when available. They will usually be at the end of these parish books Next column is often blank - I think it refers to how many images are in that particular book The Last Column - if it has a magnifying glass in it, that is the link you need to click to get to that parish book. What’s happening now to the parishes that I’m searching, its that the page (image 1) is loading, but it never actually loads. If I see where it is working better, I’ll email the list again. If anyone else is new having success loading those pages, please share it with the list. In January, the Pilsen Archives were working on parishes beginning with the letters A-D. Now I believe they are working parish through to the letter J. I have also found parish records of family in the Brno Archives. They seem to have went at the loading of records differently. Rather that loading all records for some parishes first, they are loading the most commonly requested parish books first. So many parishes have a few parish books online, but very few parishes are completed - typically books that cover the 1800's are load before those from the 1600's and 1700's. Good luck. - Ken Chromy ________________________________ From: Cecelia Brown <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thu, June 3, 2010 3:46:52 PM Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Pilsen archives new records added how do I get into the Pilsen Arcives ________________________________ From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Mon, May 31, 2010 9:16:56 AM Subject: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Pilsen archives new records added Hello all Pilsen archives added new records for the following districts: Vyškov a Znojmo The parish registers added include: Bučovice Dobročkovice Luleč Otnice Pustiměř Račice Rousínov Rousínovec Slavkov u Brna Švábenice Konice u Znojma Korolupy Lančov Lechovice Litobratřice Loděnice Lubnice Lukov Mašovice Mikulovice Miroslav Moravský Krumlov Načeratice Have a great memorial day Stephanie German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

To Larry: I humbly thank you for your kind words. My "magic pen" is nothing else but that this old lady has gathered recognition of life's values and who has been thoroughly shaken by the winds of time. Only when people understand that there are 'no sides to take" will there be a deeper understanding of fundamental beliefs among all mankind. Aida On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 2:55 PM, Larry Klauser <[email protected]>wrote: > As always, this was extremely interesting reading. Aida; your experiences, > resources and magic pen continue to educate us far beyond that which would > be possible in school. Thank you. > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Aida Kraus <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Thu, June 3, 2010 3:25:45 PM > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] [CZ] Newly released photos > > In answer to Steve: > > The fact is that you have no choice between such evils, because you > are facing a mob that is totally uncontrolled. But what makes me even > sadder, is the fact that after the horror we experienced under the Hitler > regime, these victorious liberators arriving from the East trumped and > escalated the transgressions against mankind a hundredfold. A German was > considered unprotected by any law and you could do to him anything you > wished. Let me tell you that "shooting people" was the mildest form of > getting transported out of this world against all those other bestialities > committed which I do not want to touch here, because they are too horrible. > They are graphically explained in the witness reports which were promptly > buried in the Bonn archives for 50 years. > > There was no differentiation made if you were a Nazi supporter or > not. It was enough for you to speak the German language. We did not have > dark skin, like some Americans here, and who were also discriminated > against, so they gave us a white arm band to wear. > > If you read the events at Prague of May 1945, where from each > lamppost along the street a body dangled wearing a uniform, you will > understand the total incredibility of it all. Even the whipping of naked > German women through the streets was “mild” in comparison what “else” has > happened there. > > Luckily, we lived not at Prague, but in the Egerland, more to the > West, and the presence of US troops protected us from such immediate > onslaught. Nevertheless people were kicked out of their homes in the > middle > of the night with nothing to wear but their bedclothes and sat in front of > the door of their locked front door with everything you needed, held dear > or > knew, firmly locked behind. > > Considering the bodily and material harm done to nearly 16 Million > Germans who were displaced and pressed into a bombed out Germany, we also > noticed that an amazing time of immediate rebuilding had started with so > many more hands available. There was a lot of rubble with usable building > material in it, there was no food, but in the fires we built to keep warm, > a potato found a way into the ashes from time to time. Everyone knew that > there was no other way to go but “up”… we were so low, that it was not > possible to sink any lower. Personal cleanliness was difficult, but > suddenly more important than when we had bathtubs, and while wearing rags, > singing songs, reciting poetry and talking about art, or even artfully > stacking up the bricks we had cleaned, it all became a motivator to bring > in a “new time.” Not one of us would steal from the other, ever! As one > and > all we HURT an incredible hurt, which you cannot imagine. You cannot > imagine the unbridled venom hurled at us who grieved in shame, feeling > impotent and full of agonizing injustice. Was there anyone in the world > who > cared for us? We were at rock bottom; there was not one step lower than > this. > > If you read the witness reports, you will understand what it has cost > the Expellees to declare their Charta to the world and to refrain from any > kind of retaliation of so much injustice for the sake of peace. And unless > we can learn from this, unless we stop looking at others as inferiors or as > hateful objects, our humankind will not have learned a single thing from > their past. As long the ugly head of greed, self aggrandizement, racial, > national or religious opinion is raised setting one man against the other > there is no hope for humankind. But if we have learned something from > these > times, if we reach out to others who do not think as we do, if we motivate > our opponents to pull on the same strings to preserve our commonly needful > earth environment, then the bonds of all differences will fall like > shackles > from our limbs. BECAUSE going to war solves NOTHING! Not in the past, not > now, and not ever! The words of our Charta by the Expellees after WW2 > should be read by all! > > Aida > > Link to witness reports – read No. 62 > > > http://www.wintersonnenwende.com/scriptorium/english/archives/whitebook/desg00.html > > > Words of Charta: > > http://www.bund-der-vertriebenen.de/derbdv/charta-en.php3 > > > > > > On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 6:56 AM, Steve Felten <[email protected] > >wrote: > > > My Slovak grandparents got out before WWI. We should all be thankful as > > Americans that we don't have to choose between such horrific evils. > > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

As always, this was extremely interesting reading. Aida; your experiences, resources and magic pen continue to educate us far beyond that which would be possible in school. Thank you. ________________________________ From: Aida Kraus <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thu, June 3, 2010 3:25:45 PM Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] [CZ] Newly released photos In answer to Steve: The fact is that you have no choice between such evils, because you are facing a mob that is totally uncontrolled. But what makes me even sadder, is the fact that after the horror we experienced under the Hitler regime, these victorious liberators arriving from the East trumped and escalated the transgressions against mankind a hundredfold. A German was considered unprotected by any law and you could do to him anything you wished. Let me tell you that "shooting people" was the mildest form of getting transported out of this world against all those other bestialities committed which I do not want to touch here, because they are too horrible. They are graphically explained in the witness reports which were promptly buried in the Bonn archives for 50 years. There was no differentiation made if you were a Nazi supporter or not. It was enough for you to speak the German language. We did not have dark skin, like some Americans here, and who were also discriminated against, so they gave us a white arm band to wear. If you read the events at Prague of May 1945, where from each lamppost along the street a body dangled wearing a uniform, you will understand the total incredibility of it all. Even the whipping of naked German women through the streets was “mild” in comparison what “else” has happened there. Luckily, we lived not at Prague, but in the Egerland, more to the West, and the presence of US troops protected us from such immediate onslaught. Nevertheless people were kicked out of their homes in the middle of the night with nothing to wear but their bedclothes and sat in front of the door of their locked front door with everything you needed, held dear or knew, firmly locked behind. Considering the bodily and material harm done to nearly 16 Million Germans who were displaced and pressed into a bombed out Germany, we also noticed that an amazing time of immediate rebuilding had started with so many more hands available. There was a lot of rubble with usable building material in it, there was no food, but in the fires we built to keep warm, a potato found a way into the ashes from time to time. Everyone knew that there was no other way to go but “up”… we were so low, that it was not possible to sink any lower. Personal cleanliness was difficult, but suddenly more important than when we had bathtubs, and while wearing rags, singing songs, reciting poetry and talking about art, or even artfully stacking up the bricks we had cleaned, it all became a motivator to bring in a “new time.” Not one of us would steal from the other, ever! As one and all we HURT an incredible hurt, which you cannot imagine. You cannot imagine the unbridled venom hurled at us who grieved in shame, feeling impotent and full of agonizing injustice. Was there anyone in the world who cared for us? We were at rock bottom; there was not one step lower than this. If you read the witness reports, you will understand what it has cost the Expellees to declare their Charta to the world and to refrain from any kind of retaliation of so much injustice for the sake of peace. And unless we can learn from this, unless we stop looking at others as inferiors or as hateful objects, our humankind will not have learned a single thing from their past. As long the ugly head of greed, self aggrandizement, racial, national or religious opinion is raised setting one man against the other there is no hope for humankind. But if we have learned something from these times, if we reach out to others who do not think as we do, if we motivate our opponents to pull on the same strings to preserve our commonly needful earth environment, then the bonds of all differences will fall like shackles from our limbs. BECAUSE going to war solves NOTHING! Not in the past, not now, and not ever! The words of our Charta by the Expellees after WW2 should be read by all! Aida Link to witness reports – read No. 62 http://www.wintersonnenwende.com/scriptorium/english/archives/whitebook/desg00.html Words of Charta: http://www.bund-der-vertriebenen.de/derbdv/charta-en.php3 On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 6:56 AM, Steve Felten <[email protected]>wrote: > My Slovak grandparents got out before WWI. We should all be thankful as > Americans that we don't have to choose between such horrific evils. > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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how do I get into the Pilsen Arcives ________________________________ From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Mon, May 31, 2010 9:16:56 AM Subject: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Pilsen archives new records added Hello all Pilsen archives added new records for the following districts: Vyškov a Znojmo The parish registers added include: Bučovice Dobročkovice Luleč Otnice Pustiměř Račice Rousínov Rousínovec Slavkov u Brna Švábenice Konice u Znojma Korolupy Lančov  Lechovice Litobratřice Loděnice Lubnice  Lukov Mašovice Mikulovice Miroslav  Moravský Krumlov Načeratice Have a great memorial day Stephanie German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In answer to Steve: The fact is that you have no choice between such evils, because you are facing a mob that is totally uncontrolled. But what makes me even sadder, is the fact that after the horror we experienced under the Hitler regime, these victorious liberators arriving from the East trumped and escalated the transgressions against mankind a hundredfold. A German was considered unprotected by any law and you could do to him anything you wished. Let me tell you that "shooting people" was the mildest form of getting transported out of this world against all those other bestialities committed which I do not want to touch here, because they are too horrible. They are graphically explained in the witness reports which were promptly buried in the Bonn archives for 50 years. There was no differentiation made if you were a Nazi supporter or not. It was enough for you to speak the German language. We did not have dark skin, like some Americans here, and who were also discriminated against, so they gave us a white arm band to wear. If you read the events at Prague of May 1945, where from each lamppost along the street a body dangled wearing a uniform, you will understand the total incredibility of it all. Even the whipping of naked German women through the streets was “mild” in comparison what “else” has happened there. Luckily, we lived not at Prague, but in the Egerland, more to the West, and the presence of US troops protected us from such immediate onslaught. Nevertheless people were kicked out of their homes in the middle of the night with nothing to wear but their bedclothes and sat in front of the door of their locked front door with everything you needed, held dear or knew, firmly locked behind. Considering the bodily and material harm done to nearly 16 Million Germans who were displaced and pressed into a bombed out Germany, we also noticed that an amazing time of immediate rebuilding had started with so many more hands available. There was a lot of rubble with usable building material in it, there was no food, but in the fires we built to keep warm, a potato found a way into the ashes from time to time. Everyone knew that there was no other way to go but “up”… we were so low, that it was not possible to sink any lower. Personal cleanliness was difficult, but suddenly more important than when we had bathtubs, and while wearing rags, singing songs, reciting poetry and talking about art, or even artfully stacking up the bricks we had cleaned, it all became a motivator to bring in a “new time.” Not one of us would steal from the other, ever! As one and all we HURT an incredible hurt, which you cannot imagine. You cannot imagine the unbridled venom hurled at us who grieved in shame, feeling impotent and full of agonizing injustice. Was there anyone in the world who cared for us? We were at rock bottom; there was not one step lower than this. If you read the witness reports, you will understand what it has cost the Expellees to declare their Charta to the world and to refrain from any kind of retaliation of so much injustice for the sake of peace. And unless we can learn from this, unless we stop looking at others as inferiors or as hateful objects, our humankind will not have learned a single thing from their past. As long the ugly head of greed, self aggrandizement, racial, national or religious opinion is raised setting one man against the other there is no hope for humankind. But if we have learned something from these times, if we reach out to others who do not think as we do, if we motivate our opponents to pull on the same strings to preserve our commonly needful earth environment, then the bonds of all differences will fall like shackles from our limbs. BECAUSE going to war solves NOTHING! Not in the past, not now, and not ever! The words of our Charta by the Expellees after WW2 should be read by all! Aida Link to witness reports – read No. 62 http://www.wintersonnenwende.com/scriptorium/english/archives/whitebook/desg00.html Words of Charta: http://www.bund-der-vertriebenen.de/derbdv/charta-en.php3 On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 6:56 AM, Steve Felten <[email protected]>wrote: > My Slovak grandparents got out before WWI. We should all be thankful as > Americans that we don't have to choose between such horrific evils. > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

There is a fairly well-documented report of what happened to the German population of Prague in 1945. The executions like the ones in the film were only a small part of the story. German- Bohemians were rounded up and forced to live in a stadium under guard. A gallows there was used regularly for any reason a Czech or Russian decided was OK and the age or sex of the\ offender did not matter. The Germans were put to work as forced labor cleaning up war damage in the city and they lived on minimum rations when they got anything at all. I no longer recall the name of the book where I found this report but it may have been one titled, "Czechs and Germans" by Elizabeth Wiskemann. Her book is older and she did not have access to all of the data that has become available since 1990, but it is still a very good way to understand how things changed between the two ethnic groups over time. Brno was another atrocity waiting to happen in 1945. The "wild expulsion" from that city is documented in a German language video titled "Odsun". Survivors of that trek from Brno to Austria tell their stories of what happened. The video was a joint effort of the Czech and Austrian governments and both parties agree that it is objective and true. The picture it paints of a long line of Germans fleeing on foot or hauling their elderly family members in wagons or on their backs while armed horsemen shot any "stragglers" at will is pretty vivid. My copy of the video came from the Austrian producer and it is in VHS. He was kind enough to provide a German language script to go with it and I worked on translating a large part of it. It also covers some of what happened in parts of the Egerland. If I ever find the time I will copy it to CD so more copies can be made. The most well-known recent book on the subject is DeZaya's, "A Terrible Revenge". Some list members who have reported reading it have said it brought tears to one's eyes. It may be in the GBHS library in New Ulm as well as the Uof MN library and other university libraries. As recently as 2002 there was a book published by the Czech Embassy in Berlin. One of the authors gave me a copy when we met at a CGSI conference in Houston that year. It is the Truth from the Czech POV. I have scanned some pages but have had so many things I wanted to translate first, I have not read it and cannot comment on it. Karen In a message dated 6/3/2010 4:55:49 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Very moving pictures. My father, grandmother and grandparents were all exp elled. My uncle was never seen again so we all think he was one that met this horrific fate. Sad, very very sad, ;-( Heinzi Schöner Sent from my iPhone On Jun 2, 2010, at 4:22 PM, ElaineTM <[email protected]> wrote: Newly Discovered Film Shows Post-War Executions http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,698060,00.html#ref=nlint German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

All of the data that members of this and other lists have sent me indicate that the Slovaks were among the most duty conscious of all the northern A-H citizens. I have copies of passports or military passbooks for more than one who went to the Slovak Consulate or Embassy in 1914 to report his whereabouts after arriving in the US in case the A-H Army wanted to recall him. I don't know if any of the same men ever volunteered for or were drafted into the US Army in 1917 or later. Love of homeland drew many back to Bohemia and Slovakia after they came to the US. There were cases of German Bohemian women who left their husbands on their new farms and went back to their home villages because they were so homesick. I believe that the Heimatbrief published the story of a man named Kramper who went to a large farm that had alread been started by his uncle Peter. He stayed there (near Sioux Falls, SD) for a little more than two years when he became seriously ill. The doctor decided that it was a severe case of homesickness and the farmer gave up his land to his uncle and went back to Bohemia. The uncle Peter was the great grandfather of my college classmate, Patricia Kramper. My husband is from Shenanadoah, PA, where there was a large settlement of Slovak miners. There is still a beautiful Slovak church there. I hope the locals are able to keep it open as an historic place. The diocese has already closed the Lithuanian church (and torn it down) in the same town because it would cost too much to renovate it. They also said there were too many churches in the town for the present population and the Lituanians could go to the Polish church. It was the oldest Lithuanian community church in the US and a good example of American gothic. The walls and ceilings were completely covered with paintings, Lithuanian prayers in old Gothic stencils. and blue ceilings spattered with golden stars in the side aisles and other features that made it an experience just to go inside . My husband's maternal grandfather was Lithuanian. We at the old church for Mass a few days after Lithuania became independent from Russia. The pews were full and everyone was in their "Sunday best". After Mass I saw a man kiss the Lithuanian flag that hung near one of the side altars. Maybe the Slovak communities around the country need to register their churches as national historic monuments in order to preserve them. Karen In a message dated 6/3/2010 7:53:20 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: My Slovak grandparents got out before WWI. We should all be thankful as Americans that we don't have to choose between such horrific evils. German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My Slovak grandparents got out before WWI. We should all be thankful as Americans that we don't have to choose between such horrific evils.

Only still frames at the link, but no need to see more. Simply horrifying what humans will do to each other in times of war. My german-bohemian ancestors mostly immigrated in the 1860's but some relatives likely remained and were expelled from the area, their cities and records destroyed in WWII. Ron -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 2:00 AM To: [email protected] Subject: GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Digest, Vol 5, Issue 88 German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ Today's Topics: 1. Newly released photos (ElaineTM) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 19:22:38 -0400 From: ElaineTM <[email protected]> Subject: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Newly released photos To: [email protected] Cc: CZECH-L <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Newly Discovered Film Shows Post-War Executions http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,698060,00.html#ref=nlint ------------------------------ To contact the GERMAN-BOHEMIAN list administrator, send an email to [email protected] To post a message to the GERMAN-BOHEMIAN mailing list, send an email to [email protected] __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Digest, Vol 5, Issue 88 **********************************************

Very moving pictures. My father, grandmother and grandparents were all expelled. My uncle was never seen again so we all think he was one that met this horrific fate. Sad, very very sad, ;-( Heinzi Schöner Sent from my iPhone On Jun 2, 2010, at 4:22 PM, ElaineTM <[email protected]> wrote: Newly Discovered Film Shows Post-War Executions http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,698060,00.html#ref=nlint German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message