Thank you for responces to my question of Moskva. I have recently heard from my uncle and he remembers his aunt saying the family was from area by Kuban River in the Caucasus area. Can anyone tell me what area this is and by what name would I look for info on Odessa 3 if there is any. I have found some Hoegers in Borodino, Besseria. Is this the right area? Is Hoeger a likely name back in Russia for Hager here in US? Any help will be greatly appreciated. Regards, Judy >From: mccoolfam <mccoolfam@turbonet.com> >To: ger-volga@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [GV] GER-VOLGA Digest, Vol 2, Issue 267 >Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 11:36:26 -0700 > >Dear July, >Moskva is the Russian spelling of Moscow. >Donna > > > >At 12:05 AM 8/13/07, you wrote: > > > >Today's Topics: > > > > 1. John Hager of Moskva (Judy Langevin) > > 2. Re: GER-VOLGA Digest, Vol 2, Issue 266 (David F. Schmidt) > > 3. Re: GER-VOLGA Digest, Vol 2, Issue 266 (Nicknames) (J Welch) > > 4. Query-answer (RGHTours@aol.com) > > 5. Johanovich (Kenny Stugart) > > 6. Re: Johanovich (chuber) > > 7. Benner (Sasilasiladi@aol.com) > > > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >Message: 1 > >Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 02:12:30 +0000 > >From: "Judy Langevin" <jrlctryped@hotmail.com> > >Subject: [GV] John Hager of Moskva > >To: GER-VOLGA@rootsweb.com > >Message-ID: <BAY130-F341102C6EAFB45AA3B2DFCD6DC0@phx.gbl> > >Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed > > > >Hi; > >I am helping my uncle research his family. His health is very poor and he > >asked me, knowing I do genealogy, if I could help him find some >ancestors. I > >have found his grandfather Christian Hager, born June 15, 1874 in Moskva, > >Russia in LDS. The record said his father's name was John Morlang and >mother > >Elizabeth. I know this is the right Christian because it also lists death > >date of Oct 4, 1932. Both birth and death dates match the North Dakota >death > >index for Christ Hager. Christian and his wife Caroline immigrated in >1902. > >I have been unable to find them in immigration records. I do not know >where > >Moskva is. Can anyone help me locate Moskva. There was no other marriage, > >birth or death info for Christian or John Hager on LDS website. > >Thank you for any help. > >Regards, Judy > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >See what youre getting into before you go there > >http://newlivehotmail.com/?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_viral_preview_0507 > > > > > > > >------------------------------ > > > >Message: 2 > >Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 19:21:52 -0800 > >From: "David F. Schmidt" <dfschmidt@astound.net> > >Subject: Re: [GV] GER-VOLGA Digest, Vol 2, Issue 266 > >To: <ger-volga@rootsweb.com> > >Message-ID: <000d01c7dd59$1844d320$6601a8c0@DAVIDTERESA> > >Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > > reply-type=original > > > >Sharon McGinness asked: > > > >Can anyone tell me the meaning of "Oddels Michel"? It was apparently a > >nickname for my great-great grandfather... > > > >My response: > > > >Sharon, I think that is a Beiname, and it could be a very valuable > >genealogical clue for you. Let me explain. In the Volga villages, most, >if > >not all of the men, had Beinamen. These were like nicknames. They >helped > >to identify people, especially in Volga villages where there were many >men > >with the same first name and even several with the same first and last > >names. In some cases, the Beinamen referred to a person's physical > >characteristics (example: rote Fritz = red Freddy, who had red hair). >But > >many Beinamen actually were clan names that helped identify the branch or > >clan of a family that a person belonged to. > > > >For example, the Schneiders in Stahl am Karaman were divided into three >or > >four clans: "die Appels Schneider," "die Vakles (or Frahlers?) >Schneider," > >and "die Wilhelms Schneider." Evidently, the original Schneider colonist >in > >Stahl had three sons. One married a woman named Appel, and their > >descendants became "die Appels Schneider." I'm not sure of the >explanation > >for "die Vakles Schneider" and "die Wilhelms Schneider," but they >referred > >to the descendants of the other two sons. Among the Stahl immigrants to >the > >U.S., there was one whose Beiname was "Appels Heine." From that, one knew > >that he was named Heinrich and that he belonged to the Appels Schneider >clan > >(i.e., the descendants of the first Schneider son who married an Appel). > > > >As for your great-great-grandfather's Beiname (Oddels Michel), I presume > >that his name was Michael and that "Oddels" referred to the clan name. >It > >is likely that the family name had several branches, one of which was > >Oddels. A possible explanation is that a man in that branch of the >family > >married a woman named Oddel. Another possibility is that "Oddel" refers >to > >a place name. For example, in Stahl, there was one branch of the Kraus > >family referred to as "Wina" or "Wine." My theory is that the original > >Kraus colonist from which that branch is descended came from Wien >(Vienna), > >Austria. > > > >The Beinamen are an invaluable tool for Volga German family researchers. > >Wherever possible, we should do everything possible to identify and >preserve > >the Beinamen for our families and villages. > > > >David F. Schmidt > >Walnut Creek, CA, USA > >dfschmidt@astound.net > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------ > > > >Message: 3 > >Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 20:29:57 -0700 > >From: "J Welch" <jwelch3@verizon.net> > >Subject: Re: [GV] GER-VOLGA Digest, Vol 2, Issue 266 (Nicknames) > >To: <ger-volga-l@rootsweb.com> > >Cc: "David F. Schmidt" <dfschmidt@astound.net> > >Message-ID: <003001c7dd5a$3b5a7e90$2e01a8c0@jlw> > > > >David, > >Would this theory also apply to a name such as my great-grandfather whose > >name was "Johannes" but through family stories he was also referred to as > >"Johanovich" . Is there a hidden clue here? > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "David F. Schmidt" <dfschmidt@astound.net> > >To: <ger-volga@rootsweb.com> > >Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 8:21 PM > >Subject: Re: [GV] GER-VOLGA Digest, Vol 2, Issue 266 > > > > > > > Sharon McGinness asked: > > > > > > Can anyone tell me the meaning of "Oddels Michel"? It was apparently >a > > > nickname for my great-great grandfather... > > > > > > My response: > > > > > > Sharon, I think that is a Beiname, and it could be a very valuable > > > genealogical clue for you. Let me explain. In the Volga villages, >most, > > > if > > > not all of the men, had Beinamen. These were like nicknames. They >helped > > > to identify people, especially in Volga villages where there were many >men > > > with the same first name and even several with the same first and last > > > names. In some cases, the Beinamen referred to a person's physical > > > characteristics (example: rote Fritz = red Freddy, who had red hair). >But > > > many Beinamen actually were clan names that helped identify the branch >or > > > clan of a family that a person belonged to. > > > > > > For example, the Schneiders in Stahl am Karaman were divided into >three or > > > four clans: "die Appels Schneider," "die Vakles (or Frahlers?) >Schneider," > > > and "die Wilhelms Schneider." Evidently, the original Schneider >colonist > > > in > > > Stahl had three sons. One married a woman named Appel, and their > > > descendants became "die Appels Schneider." I'm not sure of the > > > explanation > > > for "die Vakles Schneider" and "die Wilhelms Schneider," but they >referred > > > to the descendants of the other two sons. Among the Stahl immigrants >to > > > the > > > U.S., there was one whose Beiname was "Appels Heine." From that, one >knew > > > that he was named Heinrich and that he belonged to the Appels >Schneider > > > clan > > > (i.e., the descendants of the first Schneider son who married an >Appel). > > > > > > As for your great-great-grandfather's Beiname (Oddels Michel), I >presume > > > that his name was Michael and that "Oddels" referred to the clan name. > It > > > is likely that the family name had several branches, one of which was > > > Oddels. A possible explanation is that a man in that branch of the >family > > > married a woman named Oddel. Another possibility is that "Oddel" >refers > > > to > > > a place name. For example, in Stahl, there was one branch of the >Kraus > > > family referred to as "Wina" or "Wine." My theory is that the >original > > > Kraus colonist from which that branch is descended came from Wien > > > (Vienna), > > > Austria. > > > > > > The Beinamen are an invaluable tool for Volga German family >researchers. > > > Wherever possible, we should do everything possible to identify and > > > preserve > > > the Beinamen for our families and villages. > > > > > > David F. Schmidt > > > Walnut Creek, CA, USA > > > dfschmidt@astound.net > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > -- > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.15/949 - Release Date: >8/12/2007 > > > 11:03 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------ > > > >Message: 4 > >Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 00:06:17 EDT > >From: RGHTours@aol.com > >Subject: [GV] Query-answer > >To: GER-VOLGA-L@rootsweb.com > >Message-ID: <c4e.1ae7a027.33f132b9@aol.com> > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > > >Judy: > > > >Moskva is Russian for Moscow. > > > >John > > > > > > > >************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new >AOL at > >http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > > > > > >------------------------------ > > > >Message: 5 > >Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 21:30:19 -0700 > >From: Kenny Stugart <iamken11@att.net> > >Subject: [GV] Johanovich > >To: German Roots <GER-VOLGA-L@rootsweb.com> > >Message-ID: <46BFDE5B.20303@att.net> > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > > >Johanovich means his father is Johannes > > > >Kenny > > > > > >------------------------------ > > > >Message: 6 > >Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 00:39:01 -0400 > >From: "chuber" <chuber@tbaytel.net> > >Subject: Re: [GV] Johanovich > >To: "German Roots" <GER-VOLGA-L@rootsweb.com> > >Message-ID: <010601c7dd63$e0288080$e20fd3d8@cliffhub> > > > >Yes. > > > >Similar to the Irish "O' Kelly" meaning son of Kelly, the Slavs used "O > >vich" translating into, > >"Oh!" Vich name shall I choose?" > > > >the best > >Cliff of the Lydiatt, Manitoba, Hubers, Steinhauers, and Ottos. > > > >ps - Johannes, often used on baptismal records, is Latin for Johan. > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------ > > > >Message: 7 > >Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 01:29:26 EDT > >From: Sasilasiladi@aol.com > >Subject: [GV] Benner > >To: GER-VOLGA-L@rootsweb.com > >Message-ID: <c9e.10c4988b.33f14636@aol.com> > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > > >Is there a way of finding history on the Benners and Lienwebers who lived > in > >YP > >connie > > > > > > > >************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new >AOL at > >http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > > > > > >------------------------------ > > > >To contact the GER-VOLGA list administrator, send an email to > >GER-VOLGA-admin@rootsweb.com. > > > >To post a message to the GER-VOLGA mailing list, send an email to > >GER-VOLGA@rootsweb.com. > > > >__________________________________________________________ > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com > >with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the >body > >of the > >email with no additional text. > > > > > >End of GER-VOLGA Digest, Vol 2, Issue 267 > >***************************************** > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Now you can see trouble before he arrives http://newlivehotmail.com/?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_viral_protection_0507