Speaking as a 100% volga german from Entre Rios Argentina, I can assure you that the great majority of our people that came to Argentina were not 'Shanghaied' but came to a prosperous and rich country. Even the minority Lutherans (as in the case of my ancestors) purposly boarded ships to Argentina from Bremen and Hamburg. Argentina at the turn of the 19th century was as rich (in terms of GDP) as France, among the top 7 countries in the world in terms of GDP, and was known for it's rich farm lands suitable for wheat farming. Today our people there are enjoying an economic renaissance and many today are large estate owners at a time when their modern farms are fully benefiting from the record high grain prices. Many also own very large and successful industries. The Volga German descendants in Argentina are estimated at over 1.3 Million today, and most are very proud of their place in a country that they call their own. > From: fjacobs@cox.net> To: susan.nakaji@sbcglobal.net; GER-VOLGA-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 07:33:12 -0500> Subject: Re: [GV] South America and German Russians> > Dear Frank,> >> > What you have just mentioned is one of the major reasons indeed.> > In the USA, there's the common belief that folks sent to South America> were> > being just rejected at Ellis Island, or at any other seaport in North> > America by the redness of their eyes, sickness, or so. From our> experiences> > lived in South America we know that that approach was just publicitary and> > political-driven to keep the given standards. At the time the big> migration> > from Europe took place in the sunrise of the 20th century being a catholic> > in the USA was almost considered a felony for the standards set at that> > time. Those few who made it at that time including Polish, Irish, and> > Italians were the witness of it for a long time. And somehow it still> > present.> > There is still a whole lot to be written about that period, and some of> the> > clues are in South America.> >> > Luis> > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "SUSAN NAKAJI" <susan.nakaji@sbcglobal.net>> To: "Volga List" <GER-VOLGA-L@rootsweb.com>> Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 4:11 PM> Subject: [GV] South America and German Russians> > > >I did a presentation on South America for the Golden Gate Chapter of AHSGR > >and one of the things that I learned during my research was that many > >families chose to immigrate to South America, especially Argentina. One > >reason was for Catholic families, Argentina was a Catholic country.> >> >> > -------------------------------> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message> > > > > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Exprésate - diseña tu página de inicio de Live.com como más te guste. http://www.live.com/getstarted

I am looking for a needle in the haystack, so to speak. Family stories say that my grandmother, Anna Marie Braun Weber from the village of Walter had a sister who went to Argentina. Walter was a Lutheran village. I do not have a date nor do not have a name for the sister. The name of Bagel was suggested as her married name. This is all the information that I have. I know her maiden name must have been Braun. Their (the sisters) parents were Johann Christian Braun b. abt 1850 and Kathryn Elizabeth Benner b. abt. 1850-1860. Is there any descendants in Argentina that this story may sound familiar to in their families? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Utz" <ron_utz@hotmail.com> To: "frank jacobs" <fjacobs@cox.net>; "SUSAN NAKAJI" <susan.nakaji@sbcglobal.net>; "Volga List" <> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 12:43 PM Subject: Re: [GV] South America and German Russians Speaking as a 100% volga german from Entre Rios Argentina, I can assure you that the great majority of our people that came to Argentina were not 'Shanghaied' but came to a prosperous and rich country. Even the minority Lutherans (as in the case of my ancestors) purposly boarded ships to Argentina from Bremen and Hamburg. Argentina at the turn of the 19th century was as rich (in terms of GDP) as France, among the top 7 countries in the world in terms of GDP, and was known for it's rich farm lands suitable for wheat farming. Today our people there are enjoying an economic renaissance and many today are large estate owners at a time when their modern farms are fully benefiting from the record high grain prices. Many also own very large and successful industries. The Volga German descendants in Argentina are estimated at over 1.3 Million today, and most are very proud of their place in a country that they call their own. > From: fjacobs@cox.net> To: susan.nakaji@sbcglobal.net; > GER-VOLGA-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 07:33:12 -0500> Subject: > Re: [GV] South America and German Russians> > Dear Frank,> >> > What you > have just mentioned is one of the major reasons indeed.> > In the USA, > there's the common belief that folks sent to South America> were> > being > just rejected at Ellis Island, or at any other seaport in North> > America > by the redness of their eyes, sickness, or so. From our> experiences> > > lived in South America we know that that approach was just publicitary > and> > political-driven to keep the given standards. At the time the big> > migration> > from Europe took place in the sunrise of the 20th century > being a catholic> > in the USA was almost considered a felony for the > standards set at that> > time. Those few who made it at that time > including Polish, Irish, and> > Italians were the witness of it for a long > time. And somehow it still> > present.> > There is still a whole lot to be > written about that period, and some of> the> > clues are in South > America.> >> > Luis> > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "SUSAN > NAKAJI" <susan.nakaji@sbcglobal.net>> To: "Volga List" > <GER-VOLGA-L@rootsweb.com>> Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 4:11 PM> > Subject: [GV] South America and German Russians> > > >I did a presentation > on South America for the Golden Gate Chapter of AHSGR > >and one of the > things that I learned during my research was that many > >families chose > to immigrate to South America, especially Argentina. One > >reason was for > Catholic families, Argentina was a Catholic country.> >> >> > > -------------------------------> > To unsubscribe from the list, please > send an email to > > GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the > message> > > > > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from > the list, please send an email to GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com with the > word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message _________________________________________________________________ Exprésate - diseña tu página de inicio de Live.com como más te guste. http://www.live.com/getstarted ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.1/963 - Release Date: 8/20/2007 5:44 PM