To this list and others of you who sent me rude hate mail: This is a copy of an earlier email I sent to this list. I have no intention of giving out any info word for word, but from my own personal family passed down and recorded in family bibles and word of g g grandparents etc, family history . I did also a lot of personal paid for research. Just as I did on my dad's family to find out I descend from Royal roots of the same line that Queen Victoria herself come from. and why several have targeted me today is beyond me there are several others also out there that also mentioned they were willing to share any info also. Did you send that email to them as well I paid out personally a lot for money for those three charts and have located what I wanted. Others I guess can do the same. I havent even been active in doing any family research on this side of my family. I have even had a friend who is stationed in Germany try to help me find out more. What I said was I would be willing to share, from three charts however I take that back. I had a lot of help from a lot of really nice people when doing my family research and thought for the first time I would give some back. I have given oodles of my familys obits to your sites and today I have been tarred and feathered in email. as a matter of fact as of now I am removing myself from this list. Mary Smith Just a reminder that unless you paid the $500 or whatever for the Pleve research, you don't have the right to copy and share the charts. (They are copyrighted and you more then likely just purchased a copy of the chart. If you paid $35, you have purchased a copyrighted copy). If you want to publish an index list of who is included in the chart, I see no harm in that. In fact, we have offered an index list to SOAR for the charts that the Lower Volga Village group holds, but were told that they don't want our lists unless we give them the chart and permission to sell it. We have NOT reached that decision yet. Janet Flickinger I have the Weber (Balzer) and Libsack/Lebsack/Lobsack (Frank) charts in FTM - willing to share. :-) Shauna Libsack I have the Nolde Chart from Norka in computer format. You can view the information in the Pedigree Resource File at http://www.familysearch.org. Or if anyone is interested I can email a gedcom file. Marven Weitzel Port St. Lucie, FL -- Soon to be back in Texas If anyone ever wanted to do a project along these lines, i would be willing to help. diane rogers >From: "E. Sharp" <bellemarco@hotmail.com> >To: <GER-VOLGA-L@rootsweb.com> >Subject: Re: [GV] Pleve charts >Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 06:56:17 -0700 > >I have often wondered why these charts are not in a computer format, such >as >Family Tree Maker. While I know the handwritten charts are a treasure, I >would think it would be easier for the Pleve's to use a computer generated >program to enter the information. It seems it would also be easier for the >person receiving the chart on a disk to enter the information onto their >computer program. >...just a thought.... > >Elaine > I was wondering with all the Pleve Family Charts out there in "genealogy land" if anyone has actually indexed or put all the names on any type of database format like Family Tree Maker. I am sure many of you like me have a number of these charts, some of which, like for instance, the Norka Muller chart, are very large and contain hundreds of names. If you are like me I used the chart for the names and families I needed for my own research and pretty well ignored the rest. However, the more I study the charts I see more and more familiar names that I have run across in other places. I kind of feel like I am rambling on so I better quit. I hope my question makes sense even if the idea of actually doing something like this may be impractical and monumental. I would like to hear your thoughts. Thanks for your time. Glen A. Frederick ------------------------------- ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

Janet, I have never seen a Pleve Chart that was copyrighted, where does it say that? Not to stir up any trouble here but I just bought a Lesner Pleve chart off of e-bay for $50.00 and as far as I an concerned I should be able to do what ever I wanted to do with it. I understand though if a person buys a chart off of someone perhaps if they tell you not to share the chart you should respect their wishes, but otherwise whats the difference buying it from an individual person, e-bay or AHSGR? I agree also if you buy a chart you should not photocopy it and sell it, but once you have placed this information into a data base then then information has been altered and should be ok to use. But, the information should be sourced. Like I said before, not trying to stir up trouble, but had to voice my thoughts. It's too bad Mary received so many "Hate Mails". Seems like to all goes back to the same issue, This is mine and I'm not going to share it with any one. Oh, well..... Kevin Rupp -- Kevin Rupp 2301 Canal Blvd Hays, Ks. 67601 krupp@ruraltel.net www.volgagerman.net volgagerman@ruraltel.net > From: <RedHd4Str8@aol.com> > Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 23:23:32 EDT > To: <janflick@cox.net> > Cc: <ger-volga@rootsweb.com> > Subject: [GV] Fwd: Pleve charts > > To this list and others of you who sent me rude hate mail: > > This is a copy of an earlier email I sent to this list. I have no intention > of giving out any info word for word, but from my own personal family passed > down and recorded in family bibles and word of g g grandparents etc, family > history . I did also a lot of personal paid for research. > Just as I did on my dad's family to find out I descend from Royal roots of > the same line that Queen Victoria herself come from. > > and why several have targeted me today is beyond me > there are several others also out there that also mentioned they were > willing to share any info also. > > Did you send that email to them as well I paid out personally a lot for > money for those three charts and have located what I wanted. Others I guess > can do the same. I havent even been active in doing any family research on > this side of my family. I have even had a friend who is stationed in Germany > try > to help me find out more. > What I said was I would be willing to share, from three charts however I > take that back. > I had a lot of help from a lot of really nice people when doing my family > research and thought for the first time I would give some back. I have given > oodles of my familys obits to your sites and today I have been tarred and > feathered in email. as a matter of fact as of now I am removing myself from > this > list. > Mary Smith > > Just a reminder that unless you paid the $500 or whatever for the Pleve > research, you don't have the right to copy and share the charts. (They are > copyrighted and you more then likely just purchased a copy of the chart. If > you paid $35, you have purchased a copyrighted copy). If you want to > publish an index list of who is included in the chart, I see no harm in > that. In fact, we have offered an index list to SOAR for the charts that > the Lower Volga Village group holds, but were told that they don't want our > lists unless we give them the chart and permission to sell it. We have NOT > reached that decision yet. > > Janet Flickinger > > > I have the Weber (Balzer) and Libsack/Lebsack/Lobsack (Frank) charts in FTM > - willing to share. :-) > Shauna Libsack > > I have the Nolde Chart from Norka in computer format. You can view the > information in the Pedigree Resource File at http://www.familysearch.org. > Or if anyone is interested I can email a gedcom file. > > Marven Weitzel > Port St. Lucie, FL -- Soon to be back in Texas > > If anyone ever wanted to do a project along these lines, i would be willing > to help. > diane rogers > > >> From: "E. Sharp" <bellemarco@hotmail.com> >> To: <GER-VOLGA-L@rootsweb.com> >> Subject: Re: [GV] Pleve charts >> Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 06:56:17 -0700 >> >> I have often wondered why these charts are not in a computer format, such >> as >> Family Tree Maker. While I know the handwritten charts are a treasure, I >> would think it would be easier for the Pleve's to use a computer generated >> program to enter the information. It seems it would also be easier for the >> person receiving the chart on a disk to enter the information onto their >> computer program. >> ...just a thought.... >> >> Elaine >> > I was wondering with all the Pleve Family Charts out there in "genealogy > land" if anyone has actually indexed or put all the names on any type of > database format like Family Tree Maker. I am sure many of you like me have > a number of these charts, some of which, like for instance, the Norka Muller > chart, are very large and contain hundreds of names. If you are like me I > used the chart for the names and families I needed for my own research and > pretty well ignored the rest. However, the more I study the charts I see > more and more familiar names that I have run across in other places. I kind > of feel like I am rambling on so I better quit. I hope my question makes > sense even if the idea of actually doing something like this may be > impractical and monumental. I would like to hear your thoughts. Thanks for > your time. > > > > Glen A. Frederick > > > ------------------------------- > > > > ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

I am an antique dealer and I am selling the Lesser charts on eBay because I have a store there. I am one of three owners of the chart and yes we have a copyright notice printed on it. You will find it on the bottom right corner. That copyright has the same meaning as a copyrighted book. It is for your use and enjoyment but can not be copied or reproduced in whole or in part. We understand that the buyer may want to share parts of the data that are pertinent to their family by entering it into a genealogy program and that is OK but to make the assumption that all the data can be recorded into a genealogy program or data base and redistributed I think we would take issue with. Thanks, Dennis Stricker PS Kevin, Glad to hear the chart arrived OK. Didn't get feedback so was wondering. : ) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Rupp" <krupp@ruraltel.net> To: <RedHd4Str8@aol.com>; <janflick@cox.net> Cc: <ger-volga@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 9:45 PM Subject: Re: [GV] Fwd: Pleve charts > > Janet, > > I have never seen a Pleve Chart that was copyrighted, where does it say > that? Not to stir up any trouble here but I just bought a Lesner Pleve > chart off of e-bay for $50.00 and as far as I an concerned I should be > able > to do what ever I wanted to do with it. I understand though if a person > buys a chart off of someone perhaps if they tell you not to share the > chart > you should respect their wishes, but otherwise whats the difference buying > it from an individual person, e-bay or AHSGR? I agree also if you buy a > chart you should not photocopy it and sell it, but once you have placed > this > information into a data base then then information has been altered and > should be ok to use. But, the information should be sourced. > > Like I said before, not trying to stir up trouble, but had to voice my > thoughts. > > It's too bad Mary received so many "Hate Mails". Seems like to all goes > back to the same issue, This is mine and I'm not going to share it with > any > one. > > Oh, well..... > > Kevin Rupp > > > > -- > > Kevin Rupp > 2301 Canal Blvd > Hays, Ks. 67601 > krupp@ruraltel.net > www.volgagerman.net > volgagerman@ruraltel.net >