Dear Frank, > > What you have just mentioned is one of the major reasons indeed. > In the USA, there's the common belief that folks sent to South America were > being just rejected at Ellis Island, or at any other seaport in North > America by the redness of their eyes, sickness, or so. From our experiences > lived in South America we know that that approach was just publicitary and > political-driven to keep the given standards. At the time the big migration > from Europe took place in the sunrise of the 20th century being a catholic > in the USA was almost considered a felony for the standards set at that > time. Those few who made it at that time including Polish, Irish, and > Italians were the witness of it for a long time. And somehow it still > present. > There is still a whole lot to be written about that period, and some of the > clues are in South America. > > Luis ----- Original Message ----- From: "SUSAN NAKAJI" <susan.nakaji@sbcglobal.net> To: "Volga List" <GER-VOLGA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 4:11 PM Subject: [GV] South America and German Russians >I did a presentation on South America for the Golden Gate Chapter of AHSGR >and one of the things that I learned during my research was that many >families chose to immigrate to South America, especially Argentina. One >reason was for Catholic families, Argentina was a Catholic country. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I have been able to locate Hamburg records for 90 Oberdorf residents that sailed directly to South America, and were not diverted due to Ellis Island rejection, which blows a hole in the entire "destination due to Ellis Island rejection" myth. http://www.users.qwest.net/~helzerteresa/PortArgentina.htm Teri Helzer, Oberdorf VC frank jacobs <fjacobs@cox.net> wrote: Dear Frank, > > What you have just mentioned is one of the major reasons indeed. > In the USA, there's the common belief that folks sent to South America were > being just rejected at Ellis Island, or at any other seaport in North > America by the redness of their eyes, sickness, or so. From our experiences > lived in South America we know that that approach was just publicitary and > political-driven to keep the given standards. At the time the big migration > from Europe took place in the sunrise of the 20th century being a catholic > in the USA was almost considered a felony for the standards set at that > time. Those few who made it at that time including Polish, Irish, and > Italians were the witness of it for a long time. And somehow it still > present. > There is still a whole lot to be written about that period, and some of the > clues are in South America. > > Luis ----- Original Message ----- From: "SUSAN NAKAJI" To: "Volga List" Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 4:11 PM Subject: [GV] South America and German Russians >I did a presentation on South America for the Golden Gate Chapter of AHSGR >and one of the things that I learned during my research was that many >families chose to immigrate to South America, especially Argentina. One >reason was for Catholic families, Argentina was a Catholic country. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel.

Teri, Would all the grouped individuals been from the same family? For example the six (6) LINDTs that went to Argentina could have been my grandmothers siblings/cousins. She was already married and leaving from Kraft, Russia for New York. Don Loose Warren, Mich. On Aug 21, 2007, at 10:49 AM, Teri Helzer wrote: > I have been able to locate Hamburg records for 90 Oberdorf > residents that sailed directly to South America, and were not > diverted due to Ellis Island rejection, which blows a hole in the > entire "destination due to Ellis Island rejection" myth. http:// > www.users.qwest.net/~helzerteresa/PortArgentina.htm > > Teri Helzer, Oberdorf VC

Thanks much Teri, Your lists showed the passenger lists for Johan & Eva Schmunck, Friedrich & Elisabeth Martin, and Georg & Anna Herrmann whos children married into my Schmick family. Do you have more information on the Herrmann family? Henry L. Schmick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Teri Helzer" <oberdorfru@yahoo.com> To: "Volga List" <GER-VOLGA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 8:49 AM Subject: Re: [GV] South America and German Russians >I have been able to locate Hamburg records for 90 Oberdorf residents that >sailed directly to South America, and were not diverted due to Ellis Island >rejection, which blows a hole in the entire "destination due to Ellis >Island rejection" myth. >http://www.users.qwest.net/~helzerteresa/PortArgentina.htm > > Teri Helzer, Oberdorf VC > > > frank jacobs <fjacobs@cox.net> wrote: > Dear Frank, >> >> What you have just mentioned is one of the major reasons indeed. >> In the USA, there's the common belief that folks sent to South America > were >> being just rejected at Ellis Island, or at any other seaport in North >> America by the redness of their eyes, sickness, or so. From our > experiences >> lived in South America we know that that approach was just publicitary >> and >> political-driven to keep the given standards. At the time the big > migration >> from Europe took place in the sunrise of the 20th century being a >> catholic >> in the USA was almost considered a felony for the standards set at that >> time. Those few who made it at that time including Polish, Irish, and >> Italians were the witness of it for a long time. And somehow it still >> present. >> There is still a whole lot to be written about that period, and some of > the >> clues are in South America. >> >> Luis > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "SUSAN NAKAJI" > To: "Volga List" > Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 4:11 PM > Subject: [GV] South America and German Russians > > >>I did a presentation on South America for the Golden Gate Chapter of AHSGR >>and one of the things that I learned during my research was that many >>families chose to immigrate to South America, especially Argentina. One >>reason was for Catholic families, Argentina was a Catholic country. >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > --------------------------------- > Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ________________________________________________________________ Keep unwanted email out. Visit www.spamsubtract.com for more information.