Hi, While I don't have a bone in this discussion I offer the following from the U.S. Gov. This is from their site at http://www.copyright.gov/title17/ there is also a discussion contained in the U.S. law addressing the Berne Convention Implementation Act of 1988 for international workcontained in Appendix II ############################################### Copyright Law of the United States of America and Related Laws Contained in Title 17 of the United States Code Circular 92 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chapter 2 Copyright Ownership and Transfer a.. 201. Ownership of copyright b.. 202. Ownership of copyright as distinct from ownership of material object c.. 203. Termination of transfers and licenses granted by the author d.. 204. Execution of transfers of copyright ownership e.. 205. Recordation of transfers and other documents § 201. Ownership of copyright1 (a) Initial Ownership. - Copyright in a work protected under this title vests initially in the author or authors of the work. The authors of a joint work are coowner of copyright in the work. (b) Works Made for Hire. - In the case of a work made for hire, the employer or other person for whom the work was prepared is considered the author for purposes of this title, and, unless the parties have expressly agreed otherwise in a written instrument signed by them, owns all of the rights comprised in the copyright. It appears that bottom line if you contract for the work to be done for you, you are then considered the author unless otherwise stated in the contract. Hope this helps... Don Hoffman ------ ######################################################################################### ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Stricker" <djstricker@comcast.net> To: <ger-volga@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 1:56 AM Subject: Re: [GV] Fwd: Pleve charts > Pleve doesn't "create" the charts. His only motivation to do a chart is > because someone requested it and paid him. In other words he is working as > a > contractor and all correspondence specifies that he is being commisioned > to > do the work. The person hiring him ownes the chart. It's the same > situation > when you hire a contractor to build your house, when he is finished and > you > have paid him you own the house. The owner of the chart then has the > option > of copyright before he sells or distributes it. > Dennis > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <gpmartens@sbcglobal.net> > To: <ger-volga@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 12:12 AM > Subject: Re: [GV] Fwd: Pleve charts > > >> >> Dennis: >> >> You weren't the creator of the Pleve chart. Can you tell us under what >> provisions of Internation Copyright Law allow you to put a copyright >> notice >> on a Pleve Chart, and what does the copyright notice say? >> >> Gary Martens >> >> >> >> On 4 Aug 2007 at 0:05, Dennis Stricker wrote: >> >>> I am an antique dealer and I am selling the Lesser charts on eBay >>> because >>> I >>> have a store there. I am one of three owners of the chart and yes we >>> have a >>> copyright notice printed on it. You will find it on the bottom right >>> corner. >>> That copyright has the same meaning as a copyrighted book. It is for >>> your >>> use and enjoyment but can not be copied or reproduced in whole or in >>> part. >>> We understand that the buyer may want to share parts of the data that >>> are >>> pertinent to their family by entering it into a genealogy program and >>> that >>> is OK but to make the assumption that all the data can be recorded into >>> a >>> genealogy program or data base and redistributed I think we would take >>> issue >>> with. >>> Thanks, >>> Dennis Stricker >>> PS >>> Kevin, Glad to hear the chart arrived OK. Didn't get feedback so was >>> wondering. : ) >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Kevin Rupp" <krupp@ruraltel.net> >>> To: <RedHd4Str8@aol.com>; <janflick@cox.net> >>> Cc: <ger-volga@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 9:45 PM >>> Subject: Re: [GV] Fwd: Pleve charts >>> >>> >>> > >>> > Janet, >>> > >>> > I have never seen a Pleve Chart that was copyrighted, where does it >>> > say >>> > that? Not to stir up any trouble here but I just bought a Lesner >>> > Pleve >>> > chart off of e-bay for $50.00 and as far as I an concerned I should be >>> > able >>> > to do what ever I wanted to do with it. I understand though if a >>> > person >>> > buys a chart off of someone perhaps if they tell you not to share the >>> > chart >>> > you should respect their wishes, but otherwise whats the difference >>> > buying >>> > it from an individual person, e-bay or AHSGR? I agree also if you buy >>> > a >>> > chart you should not photocopy it and sell it, but once you have >>> > placed >>> > this >>> > information into a data base then then information has been altered >>> > and >>> > should be ok to use. But, the information should be sourced. >>> > >>> > Like I said before, not trying to stir up trouble, but had to voice my >>> > thoughts. >>> > >>> > It's too bad Mary received so many "Hate Mails". Seems like to all >>> > goes >>> > back to the same issue, This is mine and I'm not going to share it >>> > with >>> > any >>> > one. >>> > >>> > Oh, well..... >>> > >>> > Kevin Rupp >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > -- >>> > >>> > Kevin Rupp >>> > 2301 Canal Blvd >>> > Hays, Ks. 67601 >>> > krupp@ruraltel.net >>> > www.volgagerman.net >>> > volgagerman@ruraltel.net >>> > >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> __________ NOD32 2437 (20070803) Information __________ >>> >>> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >>> http://www.eset.com >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >