Hi Everyone, I have been following the list for a while and have enjoyed the different discussions. I recently obtained the First Settlers List of 1767 for Mariental and of course now we have more questions about the Zimmerman and Schneider families. Here is what we have found. Does it make sense to you?? I would appreciate someone elses input into these families who is more familiar with how things were with the settlers who traveled to Russia between 1764-1767. I am researching the Caspar Schneider family that came to Mariental, Russia in 1767. In the 1767 First Settler List for Mariental (Tonkoshurovka), Russia compiled by Kevin D Rupp, there are two Kaspar/Caspar Schneider families mentioned. Caspar Schneider Birth: 1732 Wuerzburg, Bavaria, Germany Spouse: Margaretha ? Birth: 1730 Saargemuend( Sarreguemines), Lorraine, France Other Spouses: Mathias Zimmerman Children: 1M: Lorenz Schneider Birth: 1749 Wuerzburg,Bavaria,Germany 2F: Elisabeth Schneider Birth: 1749 Wuerzburg,Bavaria,Germany 3F: Katharina Schneider Birth: 1754 Wuerzburg,Bavaria,Germany 4F: Margaretha Schneider Birth: 1758 Wuerzburg,Bavaria,Germany and Kaspar Schneider Birth: 1731 Wuerzburg Bavaria, Germany Occupation: Farmer Spouse: Dorotha ? Birth: 1732 Wuerzburg, Bavaria, Germany and then we have Mathias Zimmerman who appears to have been married previous to marrying Margaretha (Schneider) Mathias Zimmerman Birth: 1722 Grimburg-Trier, Rhineland-Pfalz (Rhineland-Palatinate), Germany Occupation: Farmer Other Spouses: Margaretha? Marriage: abt 1753 Grimberg, Rhineland-Pfalz, Germany Spouse: ? Children: 1M: Peter Zimmerman Birth: 1754 Grimberg-Trier, Rhineland-Pfalz (Rhineland Palatinate), Germany and then on a seperate page we have Mathias Zimmerman Birth: 1722 Grimburg-Trier, Rhineland-Pfalz (Rhineland-Palatinate), Germany Occupation: Farmer Spouse: Margaretha? Birth: 1730 Saargemuend( Sarreguemines), Lorraine, France Other spouses: Caspar Schneider Children 1F: Maria Elisabeth Zimmerman Birth: 1764 Oranienbaum, Russia 2F: Margaretha Zimmerman Birth: 1764 Oranienbaum, Russia It also appears that Mathias Zimmerman and Margaretha(Schneider) are possibly married before they reach Marienthal because they have daughters born in Oranienbaum, Russia If Mathias Zimmerman and Margaretha(Schneider) are together before Mariental why would Caspar Schneider, who was married to her first, be listed on the first settlers list if he was deceased before Mariental or was he listed because of his children who arrived with their mother and Mathias Zimmerman? Or Is it possible that Caspar Schneider and Margaretha parted ways and he became Kaspar Schneider married to Dorotha and Margaretha and Mathias Zimmerman became a couple and had more children? Interesting that only Kaspar Schneider and Dorotha show up in the original list of 1767 families sent after translation and the others show up in the 1767 census records. They may not have arrived at the same time.Perhaps a few months later?? Are there two Kaspar/Caspar Schneider's?? This is confusing and I am wondering if there is any way to find out more details on these four couples? Perhaps later census records or ship lists of when they arrived in Oranienbaum. I am asking because I haven't been researching this branch of the family for very long and am new at the Russian records. Just a side note. The Schneider's came to Canada in 1907 on the SS Corsican and arrived in St Walburg, Saskatchewan, Canada to homestead in 1908. St Walburg has its own little group of German Russians many from Mariental or villages close by. They was a possibility that they had looked at Kansas according to one of the family stories but ended up here instead. However they have/had relativews in Kansas because my grandfather in law August Schneider went to the Kansas area to visit relatives and when he returned to Canada was forever after known as "Yankee" They were true Germans and many of the family members have nicknames because so many have the same first names. A recent Schneider reunion held in honour of their arrival in Canada was very successful now if we could only figure out what hapened in the beginning in Russia. Thank You Ellen Gaboury Saskatchewan

HI Ellen, I will send you what I have on that family. Also, have you seen the book, "Aus der Geschichte der Kolonie Mariental an der Wolga" by Anton Schneider? AHSGR has a copy of this book. Its all in German, but you can get a lot of genealogy of of it. Kevin Rupp -- Kevin Rupp 2301 Canal Blvd Hays, Ks. 67601 krupp@ruraltel.net www.volgagerman.net volgagerman@ruraltel.net www.germansfromrussia.net > From: Ellen Gaboury <bjgaboury@sasktel.net> > Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 10:08:21 -0600 > To: <GER-VOLGA@rootsweb.com> > Subject: [GV] Schneider/Zimmerman families Mariental, Samara, Russia > > Hi Everyone, > I have been following the list for a while and have enjoyed the different > discussions. > > I recently obtained the First Settlers List of 1767 for Mariental and of > course now we have more questions about the Zimmerman and Schneider families. > > Here is what we have found. Does it make sense to you?? > I would appreciate someone elses input into these families who is more > familiar with how things were with the settlers who traveled to Russia between > 1764-1767. > > I am researching the Caspar Schneider family that came to Mariental, Russia > in 1767. > > In the 1767 First Settler List for Mariental (Tonkoshurovka), Russia compiled > by Kevin D Rupp, there are two Kaspar/Caspar Schneider families mentioned. > > Caspar Schneider > Birth: 1732 Wuerzburg, Bavaria, Germany > Spouse: Margaretha ? > Birth: 1730 Saargemuend( Sarreguemines), Lorraine, France > > Other Spouses: Mathias Zimmerman > > Children: > 1M: Lorenz Schneider > Birth: 1749 Wuerzburg,Bavaria,Germany > > 2F: Elisabeth Schneider > Birth: 1749 Wuerzburg,Bavaria,Germany > > 3F: Katharina Schneider > Birth: 1754 Wuerzburg,Bavaria,Germany > > 4F: Margaretha Schneider > Birth: 1758 Wuerzburg,Bavaria,Germany > > > and > > Kaspar Schneider > Birth: 1731 Wuerzburg Bavaria, Germany > Occupation: Farmer > > Spouse: Dorotha ? > > Birth: 1732 Wuerzburg, Bavaria, Germany > > and then we have Mathias Zimmerman who appears to have been married previous > to marrying Margaretha (Schneider) > > Mathias Zimmerman > Birth: 1722 Grimburg-Trier, Rhineland-Pfalz (Rhineland-Palatinate), Germany > Occupation: Farmer > > Other Spouses: Margaretha? > Marriage: abt 1753 Grimberg, Rhineland-Pfalz, Germany > > Spouse: ? > > Children: > 1M: Peter Zimmerman > Birth: 1754 Grimberg-Trier, Rhineland-Pfalz (Rhineland Palatinate), Germany > > and then on a seperate page we have > > Mathias Zimmerman > Birth: 1722 Grimburg-Trier, Rhineland-Pfalz (Rhineland-Palatinate), Germany > Occupation: Farmer > > Spouse: Margaretha? > Birth: 1730 Saargemuend( Sarreguemines), Lorraine, France > Other spouses: Caspar Schneider > > Children > > 1F: Maria Elisabeth Zimmerman > Birth: 1764 Oranienbaum, Russia > > 2F: Margaretha Zimmerman > Birth: 1764 Oranienbaum, Russia > > > It also appears that Mathias Zimmerman and Margaretha(Schneider) are possibly > married before they reach Marienthal because they have daughters born in > Oranienbaum, Russia > > If Mathias Zimmerman and Margaretha(Schneider) are together before Mariental > why would Caspar Schneider, who was married to her first, be listed on the > first settlers list if he was deceased before Mariental or was he listed > because of his children who arrived with their mother and Mathias Zimmerman? > > Or > > Is it possible that Caspar Schneider and Margaretha parted ways and he became > Kaspar Schneider married to Dorotha > and Margaretha and Mathias Zimmerman became a couple and had more children? > > Interesting that only Kaspar Schneider and Dorotha show up in the original > list of 1767 families sent after translation and the others show up in the > 1767 census records. They may not have arrived at the same time.Perhaps a few > months later?? > > Are there two Kaspar/Caspar Schneider's?? > > This is confusing and I am wondering if there is any way to find out more > details on these four couples? Perhaps later census records or ship lists of > when they arrived in Oranienbaum. > > I am asking because I haven't been researching this branch of the family for > very long and am new at the Russian records. > > Just a side note. The Schneider's came to Canada in 1907 on the SS Corsican > and arrived in St Walburg, Saskatchewan, Canada to homestead in 1908. St > Walburg has its own little group of German Russians many from Mariental or > villages close by. > > They was a possibility that they had looked at Kansas according to one of the > family stories but ended up here instead. However they have/had relativews in > Kansas because my grandfather in law August Schneider went to the Kansas area > to visit relatives and when he returned to Canada was forever after known as > "Yankee" > They were true Germans and many of the family members have nicknames because > so many have the same first names. > A recent Schneider reunion held in honour of their arrival in Canada was very > successful now if we could only figure out what hapened in the beginning in > Russia. > > Thank You > > Ellen Gaboury > Saskatchewan > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Ellen, I want to share some information about the migrations from Russia to the USA. This may not apply to your case but there are some possibilities you may want to be aware of. First there are 3 Marienthals from the same village. One is in Russia , another in Kansas and another in Argentina. This applied to several other villages like this which drew from the original colony. There was considerable movement from Argentina to Kansas, and also some of the Argentina traffic did not stop at Kansas but continued on further to Saskatchewan. The migrations were not all at once. The first ones were in the 1875-76 (my paternal grandmother) ,later ones were in the 1890 (my grandfather's), the early 1900s, (1912 younger brother of my grandparents came of age and wanted to join the family in USA), and the whole period from 1900 until the revolution and the closing of the borders in the 1920s. In general, the earlier the migration, the more options and the better picking of the agriculture land. While Canada had its own attraction, I do not believe it was a first choice migration or was not advertised abroad as aggressively as the land held by the transcontinental USA railroads. I do know there were Canadian ports which were used as a staging point for USA entry later , for parties who were turned away at USA ports, people who wanted to rejoin relatives in the USA. Back to my original point. I do know the Stang family from Marienfeld, Russia ( an expansion colony of Pfeifer) went to Argentina, came to Kansas to Topeka where there were and still are Stangs living, and then went on to live in Saskatchewan. My point being, if you are looking for people from Marienthal, Russia, you may also wish to look at the early Argentine census, particularly Entre Rios and Coronel Suarez provinces. Good luck Frank Jacobs, Topeka From: "Ellen Gaboury" <bjgaboury@sasktel.net> To: <GER-VOLGA@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 11:08 AM Subject: [GV] Schneider/Zimmerman families Mariental, Samara, Russia > They was a possibility that they had looked at Kansas according to one of > the family stories but ended up here instead. However they have/had > relativews in Kansas because my grandfather in law August Schneider went > to the Kansas area to visit relatives and when he returned to Canada was > forever after known as "Yankee" > They were true Germans and many of the family members have nicknames > because so many have the same first names. > A recent Schneider reunion held in honour of their arrival in Canada was > very successful now if we could only figure out what hapened in the > beginning in Russia. > > Thank You > > Ellen Gaboury > Saskatchewan > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >