I've discovered a couple more colonists probably from the same area of Schlesien. It concerns the city LIEGNITZ (now Legnica) located to the west of Breslau and just north of Hohenfriedberg. Recruiter Beauregard Colonists: LIEGNETZ: Mumert to Katharinenstadt. Kuhlberg has the colonists as being from LEGIND? Neither the FSL nor Kuhlberg lists Schlesien. LAGNITZ: Baschka to Kano. Kuhlberg lists them only as from SCHLESWIG. I do not find any such place in Schleswig and believe SCHLESWIG should probably be SCHLESIEN - an error by either Kuhlberg or Pleve. Note: these two colonists along with another colonist from BRESLAU (Trapp) arrived in Russia on the Anna Catharina in May 1766 (Doc. Nrs. 78, 86, 90). Tim Weeder In a message dated 2/26/2014 2:22:53 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, TCWeeder@aol.com writes: Always the curious person I've dug a little deeper into the Schlesien colonists to the Volga. In the hope of learning something new I used the Kuhlberg Lists and FSLs (along with some old maps) to extract and organize the findings. It seems the private recruiters (Beauregard and Le Roy & Pictet) and the Russian Crown canvassed the same exact area in Schlesia. The places from which they emigrated form a somewhat compact group of villages located in the provinces of Lower Silesia (Dolnoslaskie) and Opole (Opolskie) which generally borders the Czech Republic. This area saw many horrific conflicts in the years 1745 - 1762. For example, the Battle of Hohenfriedberg was considered the crowning achievement of Frederick the Great where his Prussian army defeated an Austrian army. Over 100,000 troops converged on this region and resulted in the death of 13 thousand with 5 thousand captured. Recruiter Beauregard Colonists --- PLACE: Surname and Volga Settlement BRESLAU (now Wroclaw): Trapp to Beauregard, Rohleder to Niedermonjou, Forckert (Verkehrt) to Boaro, Zimmermann temporarily to Katharinenstadt, Teussner to ?, Beussert to Katharinenstadt, Saartenbach temporarily to Paulskaya. KANTH (now Katy Wroclawskie): Konrad to Obermonjou HOHENFRIEDBERG (now Dobromierz): Klaus temporarily to Paulskaya BRIEG (now Brzeg): Neumann to Orlovskaya REICHENBACH (now Dzierzoniow): Hoffmann to Katharinenstadt MILITSCH (now Milicz): Timmel to Katharinenstadt NEUKIRCHEN (possibly NEUKIRCH by BRESLAU): Tusker to Katharinenstadt UNSPECIFIED LOCALE IN SCHLESIEN: Gottmann, Straus, Struby Recruiters Le Roy and Pictet Colonists --- PLACE: Surname and Volga Settlement BRESLAU (now Wroclaw): Haas to ?, Rodeschahi to ?, Wolf to Schaefer, Ismann to Warenburg. LEIBAU (now Lubawka): Kasper to Chasselois, Berns to Chasselois. WEIDNITZ [should be SCHWEIDNITZ] (now Swidnica): Kammer to Schaefer FRANKENSTEIN (now Zabkowice Slaskie): Nagel to Schaefer. REISCHENBACH (now Dzierzoniow): Ilgner to Warenburg. HIRSCHBERG? (now Jelenia Gora): Hoffmann to Jost. Public Colonists-- PLACE: Surname and Volga Settlement BRESLAU (now Wroclaw): Seitzmann *Kuhlberg notes desire to settle in Ukraine, Schmidt to Dreispitz, Reiher to Enders, Schatz to Rosenheim. SCHWEIDNITZ (now Swidnica): Schulz to Schwed. FRIEDENBERG [should be FRIEDEBERG?] (now Mirsk): Neumann to Goebel. FRUNKENSTADT [should be FRANKENSTEIN?] (now Zabkowice Slaskie): Netger to Holzel. HIRSCHBACH [should be HIRSCHBERG?] (now Jelenia Gora): Schinidler to Dobrinka. GERN? [unable to find a similarly named village, but it should be near the others in this group]: Rose to Stahl am Karaman. UKNOWN LOCALE IN SCHLESIEN: Kalewl to ?, Bitsch to Dietel - {De Boffe Colony}. Well, that is all I can add...nothing too Earth-shattering. I don't know about any available records or where the inhabitants of this region may have previously lived. I just read that systematic Germanic colonization of Schlesia began as early as the 13th century. I suppose a colonist to Russia could have just recently moved to Schlesien and just as likely their ancestors could have lived there for many generations. Tim Weeder Village Coordinator for Paulskoye In a message dated 2/25/2014 6:16:07 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, larso260@umn.edu writes: Frank, Looking at the Einwandering books, I find the following from Schlesian: Gottlieb Bitsch von Schlesien - Vol 1, page295 Gottfried Kammer von Scnlesien, Vol 4, page92 There are a number that show up in Kuhlberg even a Johann Klaus. I note that many of them are single men from Schliesian. Rosemary Larson -----Original Message----- From: David Schmidt Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 11:12 AM To: ger-volga-l@rootsweb.com ; fjacobs@cox.net Subject: [GV] Volga Germans Colonists from Silesia and Danzig Frank Jacobs asked the following: I would greatly appreciate in knowing of GR ancestory which had a presence in Silesia and or Danzig or Marienberg, Poland. My response: I have an ancestor who supposedly came from Silesia (Schlesien). According to the First Settlers List (FSL) for Stahl am Karaman, Christian Rose, a Lutheran colonist born about 1737, came from "Gerna/Herna" in Silesia. So far, I have not been able to identify the place to which that refers. For that matter, I am not aware of any Volga German researcher who has confirmed a colonist's place of origin in Silesia. Such research is difficult because the church records for Silesia are generally accessible only through Polish archives, not easily accessible through LDS. By the way, according to the Kuhlberg Lists, Christian Rose was a hat maker from the Darmstadt area. Whether that indicates that he re-located from Silesia (his place of birth) to Darmstadt (Hessen-Darmstadt?) before emigrating to the Volga, I don't know. In my view, Silesia and Danzig are completely different areas. Some of the ships included in the Kuhlberg Lists are ones that originated from Danzig or that stopped there. Therefore, it should not be surprising that Volga German colonists came from the area surrounding Danzig. Silesia is a horse of a different color, because it was a long distance from Danzig or any other colonist gathering point. David F. 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