Forgot to also send to Ger-Volga. Fran ----- Original Message ----- From: Jerry and Fran Goertzen To: Linda Otto Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 4:25 PM Subject: Re: Steinhauer Information Also Re: Anton Heinz (1747) Linda: I assumed you had all the Kulberg Heinz data and you were primarily interested in the Gottfried Bernard so I didn't include the data on Nicolaus' two other sons. On the ship list for 18 June 1766 there were actually 6 sons of Nicolaus listed. Traveling with him and his "new" wife, Elisabeth Johann (August), Gottfried (Bernard), (Johann) Wilhelm and Hartman (the son Elizabeth). Hartman and Elisabeth died enroute. Also on the same ship (Document #968 and 969) were two other sons of Nicolaus. Both of them were named Anton, one born 1740 and the other born 1747. Ivan Kuhlberg rarely listed both of the dual names of the colonists. One may have been Johann Anton and the other Philipp Anton. The name Philipp shows up often in the younger Anton's family. It was common that when a mother died and the father remarries, the older sons will go out on their own rather than stay with the step-family. Both Antons already had their occupations as blacksmiths and the older Anton was married, so they were shown traveling on their own. In the OSL for Straub (F#32), they were still listed together. Anton Heinz (b l740) and his wife Maria Magdalena (1744) and Anton's brother-also Anton. (b. 1747). They arrived in Straub 12 May 1767, the same day as Nicolaus and his family. In 1798, the older Anton doesn't show up. He may have died or moved, but I could not find any movement records. The younger son, Anton (b. 1747) is still in Straub (sr 20) with his wife, Eva Katharina Frick (1755) and their sons Philipp Peter (1773), Wilhelm (1779) and Johann Anton (1791). There were also two daughters, Maria Sybilla (1777) and Margaretha Elisabeth (1787). The August Heinz listing for 1798 Straub (Sr 45) is August (1755) and his second wife, Maria Elisabeth Schneider (1775) from Moor. Also his two children from his first wife, Maria Dorothea (1778) and son Joh Konrad (1793). The only unrelated Heinz in 1798 Straub (Sr 6) was the Friedrich Heinz family and they came from Kutter in 1788. I followed that family back to Germany and they came from Württenburg. I just received your email of Nov 18,2010, so I will include the answers in this email. Since the new Heinz child was one month old when Nicolaus and Elisabeth arrived in Oraniebaum (18 June 1766), most likely Nicolaus and Elisabeth were married before Aug. 1765. Lübeck was a port on the Baltic Sea where they colonists boarded the ships for Oranienbaum. It was usually only a short stay while they waited for an available ship but many marriages were performed there. I have the records of the six Lutheran Churches of Lübeck (Migration to Russia-Brent Mai). I didn't find them, naturally, because they were already married. Many of the colonsits gathered in Büdingen where a Russian Consulate was providing passports and visas to go to Russia. I have the LDS microfilm records of the Büdingen Lutheran Church back to 1767 but they were not there either. I feel they were married in Schierstein, Nassau where they came from. I haven't had time to check for the Parish of Schienstein yet, but that parish registry should have the marriage data of Nicolaus and Elisabeth as well as the death of his first wife, his parent's names, etc. That will have to come from an LDS microfilm of the parish records. As for the Steinhauers, a few years back, I did a research for a Steinhaur descendant in Stockton, CA. They first went to Fresno, CA. His line went back to the first son of Wilhelm Steinhauer, Heinrich Philipp (b.1772) in Warrenburg. While doing the research, I chedked both son's descendents so I also have your data down to and including Georg Wilhelm (b. 1828). I also have Wilhelm Steinhauer in the OSL and Kuhlberg lists. Let me know what you need. Jerry Goertzen ----- Original Message ----- From: Linda Otto To: Jerry Goertzen Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 12:05 PM Subject: Steinhauer Information Hi Jerry, First a Heinz question - do you have access to any of the Marriage Records - Lubeck - are there others? If so, could you check Nicolaus Heinz (b - 1713) for me. He and the wife Elisabeth, mentioned on the Kuhlberg List may have been married just before they came to Russia. Steinhauer All the Steinhauers in Bangert go back to Johann Wilhelm Steinhauer, from 1798 Bangert Census, a widower from Warenburg, age 46 (born 1752). My guy is Johann Michael Steinhauer (b: 1850) >Georg Wilhelm (b: 1828) > Johann Georg (b: 1808) > Georg Friedrich (b: 1776) > Johann Wilhelm (b: 1752). This Michael Steinhauer came to Manitoba in 1901 - some of his older sons were already here. His wife, Maria Sophia Otto, had died in Bangert. They stayed in Manitoba until about 1907 and then moved to southern Saskatchewan (Flowing Well). One of his sons, Michael, moved to Fresno area, some stayed in southern Saskatchewan and some stayed in Manitoba. Thanks again Jerry for all your help. Linda Linda Otto Gladstone, MB