My question is when or ever were they citizens of Russia? You story is about when the were becoming an American citizen. I have a copy of my Grandfather's naturalization certificate. It doesn't say anything about renouncing Russia, but it says he was previously a "subject of the present government of Russia". There were two words to choose from -- "citizen" and "subject" of Russia. They crossed out "citizen" and left "subject'. This was in Portland, Oregon. His naturalization date was 21 May 1918. So that was the day he became a citizen of the US. It's interesting that they did not call him a citizen of Russia but rather a "subject" of Russia. Did Russia have different levels of "citizenship" ??? Sally On Mon, 1 Nov 2010, frank jacobs wrote: > I remember one grandfather taking an oath that it was his intent to > become an American citizen and revoked any allegiance to any foreign > potentate, particularly Alexander Czar of the Russian empire. The other > grandfather also made such a declaration regarding Nicholas Czar of the > Russian Empire. Seems that that cancelled all bets and allegiances > toward Grandmother Catherine. > > > > ======= > Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. > (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.16200) > http://www.pctools.com/ > ======= > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

My GGGrandfathers' says the same on the Naturalization Cert. They needed to be in the US for at least 5 yrs and then 1 yr. in the State where they lived and intended on staying permanently here. Did they have to take a test like now????? Anyone Judith -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of S. Zitzer Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 11:55 AM To: frank jacobs Cc: List Subject: Re: [GV] A few other oaths My question is when or ever were they citizens of Russia? You story is about when the were becoming an American citizen. I have a copy of my Grandfather's naturalization certificate. It doesn't say anything about renouncing Russia, but it says he was previously a "subject of the present government of Russia". There were two words to choose from -- "citizen" and "subject" of Russia. They crossed out "citizen" and left "subject'. This was in Portland, Oregon. His naturalization date was 21 May 1918. So that was the day he became a citizen of the US. It's interesting that they did not call him a citizen of Russia but rather a "subject" of Russia. Did Russia have different levels of "citizenship" ??? Sally On Mon, 1 Nov 2010, frank jacobs wrote: > I remember one grandfather taking an oath that it was his intent to > become an American citizen and revoked any allegiance to any foreign > potentate, particularly Alexander Czar of the Russian empire. The other > grandfather also made such a declaration regarding Nicholas Czar of the > Russian Empire. Seems that that cancelled all bets and allegiances > toward Grandmother Catherine. > > > > ======= > Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. > (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.16200) > http://www.pctools.com/ > ======= > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

>From what I've read and been told, the Germans who came to Russia did not become citizens of Russia, did not have to join the Russian Orthodox, and their sons would not be drafted into the Russian Army. As with America's promises to the Indians, the czars changed over time and so did the rules. My children's ancestors came to the US when 14-year-old boys were going to be Drafted into the Russian Army. Soooo, they probably were "subjects" and not citizens. Darnell ----- Original Message ----- From: "S. Zitzer" <[email protected]> To: "frank jacobs" <[email protected]> Cc: "List" <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 11:55 AM Subject: Re: [GV] A few other oaths > > My question is when or ever were they citizens of Russia? > > You story is about when the were becoming an American citizen. I have a > copy of my Grandfather's naturalization certificate. It doesn't say > anything about renouncing Russia, but it says he was previously a "subject > of the present government of Russia". There were two words to choose from > -- "citizen" and "subject" of Russia. They crossed out "citizen" and left > "subject'. > > This was in Portland, Oregon. His naturalization date was 21 May 1918. > So that was the day he became a citizen of the US. > > It's interesting that they did not call him a citizen of Russia but > rather a "subject" of Russia. > > Did Russia have different levels of "citizenship" ??? > > Sally > > > On Mon, 1 Nov 2010, frank jacobs wrote: > >> I remember one grandfather taking an oath that it was his intent to >> become an American citizen and revoked any allegiance to any foreign >> potentate, particularly Alexander Czar of the Russian empire. The other >> grandfather also made such a declaration regarding Nicholas Czar of the >> Russian Empire. Seems that that cancelled all bets and allegiances >> toward Grandmother Catherine. >> >> >> >> ======= >> Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. >> (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.16200) >> http://www.pctools.com/ >> ======= >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 1209 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message