Mr. Schmidt,   I consider the source for the Bremerhaven passenger lists to be highly reliable: Richard Rye. After all, Brent Mai and he are credited with the 1798 census. Even though I did discover the 1850 and 1857 census at LDS, I don't sulk when others thank Brent for translating the census documents. Guess I'm not as egotistical.   You Northern Cali lefties always have to think you are right.   Bill Pickelhaupt --- On Sat, 10/16/10, David Schmidt <[email protected]> wrote: From: David Schmidt <[email protected]> Subject: Bremen Ship Passenger Lists -- Apparently Not Alive To: [email protected] Cc: "William Pickelhaupt" <[email protected]> Date: Saturday, October 16, 2010, 9:58 AM Here is the LDS Library Catalog listing under "Bremen, Bremen" and "Emigration & immigration:" Title search results Select a Family History Center to filter the results:           [ Family History Library (4) ] Auswanderer, 1841-1875 : Library of Congress, Washington. Facsimilies from German archives. A.I.1. parts 1-13.  Bremen (Bremen). Archiv der Handelskammer Das Schicksal der Bremer Auswanderer-Listen German immigrants : lists of passengers bound from Bremen to New York, with places of origin  Zimmerman, Gary J Germans to America - series II : lists of passengers arriving at U.S. ports in the 1840s  Glazier, Ira A. The film notes indicate that certain lists have been recreated from U.S. sources.  This indicates to me that the Bremen passenger lists have been destroyed and are not available. If someone has different information, please post an accurate citation to the LDS film numbers or some other reliable and verifiable source. For basic records like ship passenger lists, it's important to post accurate information that can be readily checked and researched by fellow researchers.  That's why I clarified that the Hamburg lists had not been destroyed and posted information about how to access them.  If someone disagrees with me about the Bremen lists, please post similar, specific information about how to access the pertinent lists. David F. Schmidt Village Coordinator for Boaro, Cäsarsfeld & Stahl am Karaman Walnut Creek, CA 94598, USA Email: [email protected]