There were no Ottos in Stahl am Karaman, just Otts.  Nevertheless, just to be sure, I checked the 1798 census.  One Ott family is listed with the following sons: Johann Caspar, 25 Johann Michael, 20 Georg Heinrich, 18 Johann Georg, 14 Johann, 9 So I think you can eliminate Stahl am Karaman in your search. I agree with Gary Martens that you should concentrate on the villages the villages that had Ottos in 1767--Boaro, Kano, Niedermonjou, etc.  But it's good that you are working backward, generation by generation, rather than just jumping to the conclusion that Heinrich Wilhelm Otto is descended from Konrad Otto. David F. Schmidt Village Coordinator for Boaro, Cäsarsfeld & Stahl am Karaman Walnut Creek, CA 94598, USA Email: [email protected] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 13:56:19 -0500 From: Linda Otto <[email protected]> Subject: [GV] 1798 Census Look-up - Dreispitz, Hussenbach, Kaneau,     Rosenheim, Stahl am Karaman To: Ger-Volga Mailing List <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Greetings List I am still searching for Heinrich Wilhelm Otto (born abt. 1785) in the 1798 Census.  On the AHSGR site I find that there were Otto families in the following villages in 1798:  Dreispitz, Hussenbach, Kaneau, Rosenheim and Stahl am Karaman.  If any of you have the 1798 Census for these villages, I would really appreciate a look-up.  On the First Settler's List for Bangert, there is a Konrad Otto, age 22, Lutheran farmer from Naussau-Usingen, Mittelhausen - wife Katharina Elisabeth, 22.  Konrad Otto and Katharina Elisabeth Laut were married 17 Jul 1776 in Lubeck and arrived in Bangert on 1 Jul 1767.  This couple is not in Bangert on the 1798 Census, but by the 1816/34 Census, the Heinrich Wilhelm Otto family is in Bangert with a son and grandson named Konrad. (They were not in Bangert in 1798)  I am thinking that this is perhaps the link to our family, but need to find them in 1798.  Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Linda Linda Otto Gladstone, MB