Gary In checking the 1857 Laub, Margaretha Ruddel was simple. The only Margaretha in that age range was Maria Margaretha born 1855. Her parents Nikolaus Ruddel (b. 1832) and wife Maria Justina Mörck (b. 1833) were living in the household of his brother Philipp (b. 1817). So I checked the 1850 Laub to find the full family. In family # 116, Johann Jost Ruddel (b. 1792) had just died (1850 ), the wife had already died, but sons Johann Philipp ( 1817 ), Johann Christoph ( 1824 ) and Georg Nikolaus ( 1832 ) were still there as well as daughter Maria Barbara ( 1828 ). The Jakobÿ is more complicated. The only Konrad I found in the age range was Konrad (b. 1849 ). In 1857, he was in the household of Johannes Jakobÿ ( 1791 ). Johannes' son Konrad ( 1823 ) was there too, with his wife Katharina Elisabeth Will ( 1822 ) and their children, but, the last grandchild was not Konrad's It was listed as the ollegitimate grandson by daughter Katharina Dorothea. She was not listed so I went to the 1850 Laub Census. Family # 9, is Johannes Jakobÿ ( 1791 ), his wife Maria Katharina ( 1793 ), son Johann Andreas ( 1823 ) and daughter Katharina Dorothea ( 1828 ) and her illegitimate son Johann Peter ( 1849 ). Nothing more is found about Dorothea, but Johann Andreas changed his name to Konrad and the illegitimate son's name was also changed to Konrad. So, the father of Konrad ( 1849 ) is not known. Happy Hunting ! Jerry Goertzen