this should read > I can just repeat what I wrote a month ago: these people are from > Kanowo in Caucasus and not from Kaneau Gvt. SAMARA Caucasus' Kanowo is very well represented here: http://forum.wolgadeutsche.net/viewtopic.php?f=270&t=511 There you will find how to engage with the Republic of Alania State Archive in Vladikavkaz, all the relevant source info including the call numbers you would need to access it. Be sure to use Google's translation feature or use Chrom web browser for inline instant translation, as all this info is in Russian. Also you can post to the forum in German, the moderator (heiner) is VERY familiar with anything German in Caucasus. best regards, -- Sergej Kindsvater On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 3:33 PM, sergej kindsvater <[email protected]> wrote: > I can just repeat what I wrote a month ago: these people are from > Kanowo in Caucasus and not from Kaneau Gvt. Saratov. > > regards > -- > Sergej Kindsvater > > > > On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 9:00 AM,  <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 05:09:20 +0000 >> From: Brent Mai <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [GV] Kindsvater of Dietel >> To: Gary Martens <[email protected]>, GER-VOLGA >>        <[email protected]> >> Message-ID: >>        <[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> David: I don't have specifics that verify this, but my best guess is that Kindsvaters in Kana would have come from the group in Wiesenmueller.  While they were not "original settlers" in Wiesenmueller, there were a number of Kindsvater families that did settle there (see http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~jeruslannachrichten/WMap.htm). >> >> Sergej Kindsvater is the king of Kindsvater info, however, so go with whatever he's uncovered as better than what I might surmise. >> >> Happy hunting!! >> ..............Brent............... >> Brent Mai >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Gary Martens >> Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 7:48 PM >> To: GER-VOLGA >> Subject: Re: [GV] Kindsvater of Dietel >> >> David: >> >> Looking back at your original message about the Kindsvater family, and >> how they may have been in the village of Kana, I looked at the villages >> surrounding Kana to see if your ancestors got there by marriage.  The >> villages near Kana in Samara Province are Morgentau, Blumenfeld, >> Gnadentau, Friedenberg and Wiesenmiller.  You can look at the list of >> villages were the original settlers came from that settled these >> daughter colonies here:  http://cvgs.cu-portland.edu/gazetteer.cfm >> >> The village founded with people from Dietel was Gnadentau, but the >> census showing the original people shows one family from Dietel, surname >> Grauberger.  In research on the villages that I'm the village research >> coordinator for, I've found that people often didn't move to a daughter >> colony for up to 5 years or more after the village was founded. >> >> Note that most of the people founding Morgentau, Blumfeld, Gnadentau, >> Friedenberg and Wiesenmiller came from Galka, Shcherbakovka, Kraft, >> Stephan, Schwab, Holstein, Driespitz, Mueller and several other >> villages.  Kana was founded by people from Shcherbakovka, Schwab, >> Dreispitz, Holstein, Dobrinka, and Moor. >> >> Kautz and Kratzske were in the Frank District in Saratov Province, >> within 5-10 kilometers of Dietel, the original village were Kindsvater >> people settled, and most likely ended up in those villages because a >> Kindsvater man from Dietel married a women from those villages, and >> stayed there with her family.  Note that no people from these villages >> founded the villages around Kana, although they could have moved there >> later. >> >> A list of original settlers of Kana is here: >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~jeruslannachrichten/KOrigSettlers.htm >> >> Michael Frank, the VC for Kautz should be able to give you more >> information on the Kindsvater people in that village. >> >> Prof. Brent Mai, VC for Kratzke has a website for that village here: >> http://www.berschauer.com/Genealogy/index2.html >> >> The Kindsvater surname shows up in the 1834 census of Kratzke, and Brent >> Mai may be able to give you some additional information on the families >> connection to Dietel.  There was no Kindsvater in the 1798 census of the >> village. >> >> Gary Martens >> Dobrinka, Galka, Neu-Weimar & Schilling villages VC >> >> >> On 2/8/2011 8:17 PM, Jerry and Fran Goertzen wrote: >>> I'm having a problem downloading your GEDCOM, I often do.  Could you just send the names, dtes and places of those born in Russia? >>> A death certificate for your grandfather should give his birth date and place and his parent's names. >>> That would be in Hidalgo, TX archives or wherever he died.  Try    www.co.hidalgo.Tx.us >>> The State archives may have in their records.  The death records go back to 1903.  Naturalization papers for your grandfather might also help. >>> The passenger lists I checked had many Kindsvater of various spellings but most were headed for Kansas, Oklahoma or Nebraska. >>> I checked the 1798 Dietel census and there were five Kindsvater families all sons of Hartman Kindsvater.  The family heads were Daniel (b 1748), Werner (b.1761), Peter (b.1771), Philipp (b 1772), and Georg (b. 1775). >>> Your Daniel (1852) should show up in the Dietel 1857 census but there was no Daniel anywhere near that age.  I did find in 1857 there were Kindsvater families in Kautz and Kratzske, two neighboring villages of Dietel.  I don't have those census records they are available from Prof Brent Mai<  [email protected] >>> There is also a Kindsvater Family Chart for Dietel (by Igor Pleve) available from AHSGR Headquarters in Lincoln, Neb<  www.ahsgr.org>  . >>> It is possible that your Kindsvater moved to Kana after the 1857 census.  In that case, they would show up in Kautz or Kratske in 1857. >>> Once you get back to Germany, you can go to Prof Brent Mai German Volga Studies website<  http://cvgs.cu-portland.edu>  and go to Sergej Kindsvater Family Tree.  He has researched German parish records and found the Kindsvater back to the 1500s. >>> First lets see if we can connect your people back to Russia through US records on file.       Happy hunting        Jerry Goertzen >>> >