Shirley: I can see what you mean about some discrepancies and many blanks. I'll try to help on them first. Heinrich Gorr (b abt 1708) was in Shönberg, Sachsen. There is no evidence that he went to Russia. His two sons, Gottlieb (b 1741 not 1783) and August (b 1753) did go to Russia. They arrived in Reinwald, Russia on 14 July 1766 and they were both Lutheran farmers from Schönberg, Sachsen. Gottlieb and his family stayed in Reinwald at least thru 1798. In the original settlers list (OSL) Gottleib's surname was phonetically misspelled as Nor and in the 1798 census it was also misspelled as Haar. His wife's name was Katharina Hoffstetter from Heilbronin ( spelling?) (b 1744). In 1788 (MV2401) August Gorr and his family moved to Schwed, the village next door. I don't have the name of his first wife but she may have died in Schwed. In 1789, (MV2404), Katharina Holzworth, daughter of Michael in Reinwald, married August Gorr in Schwed. August had two sons and two daughters by his first wife and two sons and one daughter by by his second wife, Katharina. The first son of August Gorr and his unknown first wife was your Gottfried Gorr (b 1783). Your Great Grandfather, Christian Andrew Gorr (b 1854) should show up in the 1857 Schwed census as well as your Great Great Grandfather, Andrew Martin Gorr. I do not have this census but it is available from Prof. Brent Mai at < [email protected] >. Andrew is aamerican for Andreas, like Fred is american for Gottfried. I also found that Dr. Igor Pleve did a family tree chart for Gorr of Schwed. This usually covers from the first settler in Schwed to the time the descendents left the village. It is available from AHSGR Headquarters, 631 D St., Lincoln, Neb. 68502. I highly recommend the Pleve Charts if you want all your ancestors. You can also purchase them online from their website. ahsgr.org/[email protected] I usually research ancestors, not descendents, but since you are searching Scottsbluff, NE, I will give you some sources if you haven't tried them yet. The Nebraska State Historical Society is a good source for Archives < www.nebraskahistory.org > Their address is 1805 10th St, Gering NE 69341. I was born in Nebraska (Stockham) and have many relatives there, including some in Scottsbluff. Another website I would recommend is Brent Mai's Volga German Studies http://cvgs.cu-portland.edu Let me know how you are doing. Jerry Goertzen