I 2008 I did receive records from Saratov for Beideck. At that time, I do know that Saratov had the following: Beideck Births 1889-1896 (it was also indicated they did not have Beideck birth records for 1885-1888) Beideck Births 1908-1910 In addition to that were Balzer Births 1908-1910 When I inquired of Engels, around the same time, their response was they had no records for Beideck. However, I suspect this information was not accurate and was wondering if anyone has received any Beideck records from Engels more recently? Angela Rice Beideck VC -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of hugh lichtenwald Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 12:09 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [GV] Fw: Re: Fw: Re: Spomers and Yorks Hallo Gary and Listers:   The Engels Archive has at a minimum the following:  Beideck births 1767-1844, 1814-1834 Beideck Marriages 1836-1839 Beideck Deaths 1847-1859 Beideck Births 1842-1861, 1845-1858, 1859, 1879   These were in Fond F263 of the Evangelical Lutheran Church Registers which were in need of restoration back in 2002.   I do not know for certain but I assume they also have a number of "Family Lists," which the government required village councils to keep.   Yes, Volgograd has Beideck Births from 1892-1900 and the Beideck Census for 1834 and 1857, why they have them and not the rest of the data is a mystery to me. The majority of Beideck inforation is most likely to be found at the Engels Archivel.   Hugh Lichtenwald VC, Wiesenmueller         --- On Thu, 1/20/11, Gary Martens <[email protected]> wrote: From: Gary Martens <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [GV] Fw: Re: Spomers and Yorks To: [email protected] Date: Thursday, January 20, 2011, 11:31 AM Birth records for Beideck are at the Russian Archives in Volgagrad.  The only birth records available are 1892-1900. Gary Martens Dobrinka, Galka, Neu-Weimar & Schilling villages VC On 1/20/2011 6:55 AM, hugh lichtenwald wrote: > > --- On Thu, 1/20/11, hugh lichtenwald<[email protected]>  wrote: > > > From: hugh lichtenwald<[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [GV] Spomers and Yorks > To: "Ralph Spomer"<[email protected]> > Date: Thursday, January 20, 2011, 7:38 AM > > > > > > > > > Hallo Ralph and Listers:: >    > This is going to be old stuff but here goes: There are no Yorks anywhere on the Volga. York is the American version of Georg and there are a number of Katherines who might match your Katherine "York" Georg. As for Balthasar Spomer, I think your birth year might be off a bit.....I'm not sure because the data I have on the family is not from a primary source. I think the data is probably from you and was sent to Kathy Brehm LaPella. Anyway....if Johannes was born in 1870 his father would have been born around 1850 or earlier and there are a number of Balthasar Spomers who are on the Spomer Charts for that time period who do not have spouses listed. >    > All that is not at all helpful and the only way to resolve the problem is to have the Russian Archives do a little research for you. You have John George Spomer's birthdate as Aug. 27, 1881 in Beideck... It would not be too difficult a task for them to find his parents and siblings. >    > Unfortunately, you'd have to find a Russian speaker to phrase the request for you and that is not an easy thing to do these days. Because you have Johann George Spomer's birthdate and the names of his parents, it would likely cost you about a hundred bucks to find the info on his parentage and siblings. Engels (if you send them a request) will come back with an estimate of what it will cost you and tell you where to send the money (they want the money up front). >    > There are a number of Russian Language capable folks on the GR listservice but I would not presume to name them for fear of starting a stampede of people requesting their services. >    > If you happen to have any Spomer or Georg acquaintances in Russia, it would be much cheaper to have them order the data from Engels....The Archives charge foreigners twice the fees they do resident Russians. >    > Hugh Lichtenwald, from the farm in Monetta, SC > VC, Wiesenmueller > . >    > --- On Thu, 1/20/11, Ralph Spomer<[email protected]>  wrote: > > > From: Ralph Spomer<[email protected]> > Subject: [GV] (no subject) > To: "[email protected] com"<[email protected]> > Date: Thursday, January 20, 2011, 12:16 AM > > > Hello everyone > I'm looking for my Great Grandmother Katherine York. The Spomer family > thought she was from Beideck but there are no listings for her in any census > from Beideck. She would have to have been from another colony. She married > Balthasar (Walter) Spomer in Alt. Beideck.Walter was born abt. 1857 +or- a > few years and we think they both may have died in Neu Beideck. They had > three children that we know of. John, married to Sophia Dahmer, Katherine > Maria, married Peter Rody, and my Grandfather Johann George, married to > Katherine Zubicks. My father Johann George Jr. was 2 yrs old when they came > to this country in 1913.I have been looking for my Great Grandparents for > about ten years without any luck. Everything stops at my Grand father. If > anyone has any information I would really like to hear from you. > All and any help would be appreciated. > PS. I have copies of two Spomer charts and my Spomers are not on them. > Ralph Spomer > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message