David, You may want to check this link: http://www.kindsvater.net/phpgedview/individual.php?pid=I633&ged=kindsvaters.ged Your grandfather is from Kanowo, now part of Prokhladnoye by Pyatigorsk in Caucasus. There have been quite a lot of Kindsvaters there. I met some in Germany. I guess they might have been from Huck originally, but have no paper trail. Make a DNA test to be sure Huck or Dietel. Best regards, Sergej Kindsvater Am 08.01.2011 um 11:16 schrieb [email protected]: > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Kindsvater's of Kana (Brent Mai) > 2. Re: Kindsvater's of Kana (frank jacobs) > 3. Re: Kindsvater's of Kana (Brent Mai) > 4. Re: Kindsvater's of Kana (Brent Mai) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2011 19:57:14 +0000 > From: Brent Mai <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [GV] Kindsvater's of Kana > To: "S. Zitzer" <[email protected]> > Cc: Dave <[email protected]>, "[email protected]" > <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Yes they are different colonies. But as the website indicates Kana was also known as Kaneau. I don't know how to be any clearer? Suggestions? > > Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless > > > -----Original message----- > From: "S. Zitzer" <[email protected]> > To: Brent Mai <[email protected]> > Cc: Dave <[email protected]>, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Sent: Sat, Jan 8, 2011 19:43:52 GMT+00:00 > Subject: Re: [GV] Kindsvater's of Kana > > > I find that web page confusing. My ancestors first settled > in Kaneau which is very close to Katharinenstadt and is in > Pleve's first settlers book volume 2. It was established > in 1767. Katharinenstadt and Kaneau were way north of the > village on the web page below. > > The web page below lists Kaneau as an alternative spelling > for Kana but it is a different village established in 1860. > > Sincerely, > > Sally Zitzer > > On Sat, 8 Jan 2011, Brent Mai wrote: > >> Dave: There is a little info about Kana at: >> >> http://cvgs.cu-portland.edu/settlements/daughter_colonies/colony_kana.cfm >> >> I have translated the 1857 census of Kana, but there were no Kindsvaters there at that time. >> ..................Brent............... >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dave >> Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2011 10:11 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: [GV] Kindsvater's of Kana >> >> Hello colleagues; >> >> Doing research and preparing a family genealogy for my sons' on Adam >> Kindsvater and his family from Kana, Russia; who arrived into the United >> states in 1913 at the port of Galveston, and also stated he had a brother >> Daniel who remained in Russia. The spelling of the surname has been spelled >> many different ways over the years, and was changed to Kinsfather on the >> 1930 Census for Hidalgo, TX. Any pictures you might have of the Kana region >> would be appreciated as well. >> >> Not familiar with the villages of Russia or Russian History at all and >> pretty new at researching, so any help would be appreciated. >> Adam Kindsvater is my Grandfather, and I am the Son of Daniel Adam >> Kinsfather. >> >> Will gladly share any information I currently have on his descendants here >> in the US that I know to be factual. >> >> Sincerely >> David Allen Kinsfather >> Lawton, Oklahoma, USA >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2011 14:27:43 -0600 > From: "frank jacobs" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [GV] Kindsvater's of Kana > To: "Dave" <[email protected]>, <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > I looked in Merton's German-Russian Handbook and he lists > Kana , Volga republic (Weisenseite) Pallasovka Southeast of Seelmann, > Evangelical, Founded 1860. I don't know how that relates to an 1857 census. > > I looked in our Ellis County database and saw one Theodore Kindsvater > married to a Monica Urban in 1941 and another Ed Kindsfather married to a > Frances Dinges in the same county about 1960. > > Propinquity? It is neighboring state to Oklahoma, for what that's worth. > Good luck. > > Mertens also lists daughter colonies of Kano, Caneau, Kaneau, Kanskoye. > > Frank Jacobs, Kansas > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2011 12:10 PM > Subject: [GV] Kindsvater's of Kana > > >> Hello colleagues; >> >> Doing research and preparing a family genealogy for my sons' on Adam >> Kindsvater and his family from Kana, Russia; who arrived into the United >> states in 1913 at the port of Galveston, and also stated he had a brother >> Daniel who remained in Russia. The spelling of the surname has been >> spelled >> many different ways over the years, and was changed to Kinsfather on the >> 1930 Census for Hidalgo, TX. Any pictures you might have of the Kana >> region >> would be appreciated as well. >> >> Not familiar with the villages of Russia or Russian History at all and >> pretty new at researching, so any help would be appreciated. >> Adam Kindsvater is my Grandfather, and I am the Son of Daniel Adam >> Kinsfather. >> >> Will gladly share any information I currently have on his descendants here >> in the US that I know to be factual. >> >> Sincerely >> David Allen Kinsfather >> Lawton, Oklahoma, USA >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> ======= >> Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. >> (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.16650) >> http://www.pctools.com/ >> ======= > > > > > > ======= > Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. > (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.16650) > http://www.pctools.com/ > ======= > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2011 21:12:10 +0000 > From: Brent Mai <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [GV] Kindsvater's of Kana > To: frank jacobs <[email protected]>, Dave <[email protected]>, > "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > There were often colonists living in a daughter colony before it was officially "recognized" by the Russian government. This is the case with Kana which has a census before it was established! > > Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless > > > -----Original message----- > From: frank jacobs <[email protected]> > To: Dave <[email protected]>, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Sent: Sat, Jan 8, 2011 20:28:37 GMT+00:00 > Subject: Re: [GV] Kindsvater's of Kana > > I looked in Merton's German-Russian Handbook and he lists > Kana , Volga republic (Weisenseite) Pallasovka Southeast of Seelmann, > Evangelical, Founded 1860. I don't know how that relates to an 1857 census. > > I looked in our Ellis County database and saw one Theodore Kindsvater > married to a Monica Urban in 1941 and another Ed Kindsfather married to a > Frances Dinges in the same county about 1960. > > Propinquity? It is neighboring state to Oklahoma, for what that's worth. > Good luck. > > Mertens also lists daughter colonies of Kano, Caneau, Kaneau, Kanskoye. > > Frank Jacobs, Kansas > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2011 12:10 PM > Subject: [GV] Kindsvater's of Kana > > >> Hello colleagues; >> >> Doing research and preparing a family genealogy for my sons' on Adam >> Kindsvater and his family from Kana, Russia; who arrived into the United >> states in 1913 at the port of Galveston, and also stated he had a brother >> Daniel who remained in Russia. The spelling of the surname has been >> spelled >> many different ways over the years, and was changed to Kinsfather on the >> 1930 Census for Hidalgo, TX. Any pictures you might have of the Kana >> region >> would be appreciated as well. >> >> Not familiar with the villages of Russia or Russian History at all and >> pretty new at researching, so any help would be appreciated. >> Adam Kindsvater is my Grandfather, and I am the Son of Daniel Adam >> Kinsfather. >> >> Will gladly share any information I currently have on his descendants here >> in the US that I know to be factual. >> >> Sincerely >> David Allen Kinsfather >> Lawton, Oklahoma, USA >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> ======= >> Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. >> (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.16650) >> http://www.pctools.com/ >> ======= > > > > > > ======= > Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. > (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.16650) > http://www.pctools.com/ > ======= > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2011 21:16:13 +0000 > From: Brent Mai <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [GV] Kindsvater's of Kana > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>, > "[email protected]" <[email protected]>, Dave > <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Dietel seems to be the original settlement colony of the Kindsvaters- although the 1767 census of Dietel is incomplete and they don't show in the part that is available. > > Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless > > > -----Original message----- > From: William Pickelhaupt <[email protected]> > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>, Dave <[email protected]> > Sent: Sat, Jan 8, 2011 19:55:42 GMT+00:00 > Subject: Re: [GV] Kindsvater's of Kana > > Sergei Kindsvater is an excellent researcher and has lots of information on the Kindsvaters. I don't recall what village his ancestors are from but he is on this list server. A Conrad Kindsvater and his wife Charlotta settled in St. Clair, Michigan in 1904; they have descendants still living in the St. Clair area. > > Bill Pickelhaupt > > --- On Sat, 1/8/11, Dave <[email protected]> wrote: > > > From: Dave <[email protected]> > Subject: [GV] Kindsvater's of Kana > To: [email protected] > Date: Saturday, January 8, 2011, 10:10 AM > > > Hello colleagues; > > Doing research and preparing a family genealogy for my sons' on Adam > Kindsvater and his family from Kana, Russia; who arrived into the United > states in 1913 at the port of Galveston, and also stated he had a brother > Daniel who remained in Russia. The spelling of the surname has been spelled > many different ways over the years, and was changed to Kinsfather on the > 1930 Census for Hidalgo, TX. Any pictures you might have of the Kana region > would be appreciated as well. > > Not familiar with the villages of Russia or Russian History at all and > pretty new at researching, so any help would be appreciated. > Adam Kindsvater is my Grandfather, and I am the Son of Daniel Adam > Kinsfather. > > Will gladly share any information I currently have on his descendants here > in the US that I know to be factual. > > Sincerely > David Allen Kinsfather > Lawton, Oklahoma, USA > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the GER-VOLGA list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the GER-VOLGA mailing list, send an email to [email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of GER-VOLGA Digest, Vol 6, Issue 5 > ***************************************