Always the curious person I've dug a little deeper into the Schlesien colonists to the Volga. In the hope of learning something new I used the Kuhlberg Lists and FSLs (along with some old maps) to extract and organize the findings. It seems the private recruiters (Beauregard and Le Roy & Pictet) and the Russian Crown canvassed the same exact area in Schlesia. The places from which they emigrated form a somewhat compact group of villages located in the provinces of Lower Silesia (Dolnoslaskie) and Opole (Opolskie) which generally borders the Czech Republic. This area saw many horrific conflicts in the years 1745 - 1762. For example, the Battle of Hohenfriedberg was considered the crowning achievement of Frederick the Great where his Prussian army defeated an Austrian army. Over 100,000 troops converged on this region and resulted in the death of 13 thousand with 5 thousand captured. Recruiter Beauregard Colonists --- PLACE: Surname and Volga Settlement BRESLAU (now Wroclaw): Trapp to Beauregard, Rohleder to Niedermonjou, Forckert (Verkehrt) to Boaro, Zimmermann temporarily to Katharinenstadt, Teussner to ?, Beussert to Katharinenstadt, Saartenbach temporarily to Paulskaya. KANTH (now Katy Wroclawskie): Konrad to Obermonjou HOHENFRIEDBERG (now Dobromierz): Klaus temporarily to Paulskaya BRIEG (now Brzeg): Neumann to Orlovskaya REICHENBACH (now Dzierzoniow): Hoffmann to Katharinenstadt MILITSCH (now Milicz): Timmel to Katharinenstadt NEUKIRCHEN (possibly NEUKIRCH by BRESLAU): Tusker to Katharinenstadt UNSPECIFIED LOCALE IN SCHLESIEN: Gottmann, Straus, Struby Recruiters Le Roy and Pictet Colonists --- PLACE: Surname and Volga Settlement BRESLAU (now Wroclaw): Haas to ?, Rodeschahi to ?, Wolf to Schaefer, Ismann to Warenburg. LEIBAU (now Lubawka): Kasper to Chasselois, Berns to Chasselois. WEIDNITZ [should be SCHWEIDNITZ] (now Swidnica): Kammer to Schaefer FRANKENSTEIN (now Zabkowice Slaskie): Nagel to Schaefer. REISCHENBACH (now Dzierzoniow): Ilgner to Warenburg. HIRSCHBERG? (now Jelenia Gora): Hoffmann to Jost. Public Colonists-- PLACE: Surname and Volga Settlement BRESLAU (now Wroclaw): Seitzmann *Kuhlberg notes desire to settle in Ukraine, Schmidt to Dreispitz, Reiher to Enders, Schatz to Rosenheim. SCHWEIDNITZ (now Swidnica): Schulz to Schwed. FRIEDENBERG [should be FRIEDEBERG?] (now Mirsk): Neumann to Goebel. FRUNKENSTADT [should be FRANKENSTEIN?] (now Zabkowice Slaskie): Netger to Holzel. HIRSCHBACH [should be HIRSCHBERG?] (now Jelenia Gora): Schinidler to Dobrinka. GERN? [unable to find a similarly named village, but it should be near the others in this group]: Rose to Stahl am Karaman. UKNOWN LOCALE IN SCHLESIEN: Kalewl to ?, Bitsch to Dietel - {De Boffe Colony}. Well, that is all I can add...nothing too Earth-shattering. I don't know about any available records or where the inhabitants of this region may have previously lived. I just read that systematic Germanic colonization of Schlesia began as early as the 13th century. I suppose a colonist to Russia could have just recently moved to Schlesien and just as likely their ancestors could have lived there for many generations. Tim Weeder Village Coordinator for Paulskoye In a message dated 2/25/2014 6:16:07 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, larso260@umn.edu writes: Frank, Looking at the Einwandering books, I find the following from Schlesian: Gottlieb Bitsch von Schlesien - Vol 1, page295 Gottfried Kammer von Scnlesien, Vol 4, page92 There are a number that show up in Kuhlberg even a Johann Klaus. I note that many of them are single men from Schliesian. Rosemary Larson -----Original Message----- From: David Schmidt Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 11:12 AM To: ger-volga-l@rootsweb.com ; fjacobs@cox.net Subject: [GV] Volga Germans Colonists from Silesia and Danzig Frank Jacobs asked the following: I would greatly appreciate in knowing of GR ancestory which had a presence in Silesia and or Danzig or Marienberg, Poland. My response: I have an ancestor who supposedly came from Silesia (Schlesien). According to the First Settlers List (FSL) for Stahl am Karaman, Christian Rose, a Lutheran colonist born about 1737, came from "Gerna/Herna" in Silesia. So far, I have not been able to identify the place to which that refers. For that matter, I am not aware of any Volga German researcher who has confirmed a colonist's place of origin in Silesia. Such research is difficult because the church records for Silesia are generally accessible only through Polish archives, not easily accessible through LDS. By the way, according to the Kuhlberg Lists, Christian Rose was a hat maker from the Darmstadt area. Whether that indicates that he re-located from Silesia (his place of birth) to Darmstadt (Hessen-Darmstadt?) before emigrating to the Volga, I don't know. In my view, Silesia and Danzig are completely different areas. Some of the ships included in the Kuhlberg Lists are ones that originated from Danzig or that stopped there. Therefore, it should not be surprising that Volga German colonists came from the area surrounding Danzig. Silesia is a horse of a different color, because it was a long distance from Danzig or any other colonist gathering point. David F. 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One more statement about differences of opinion and talking about it on these pages. I have found that talking about differences is a good thing because we all learn from each other and no one knows everything so we should welcome a bit of discourse that my get us closer to the truth. We are all pilgrims trying to find the truth in our lives. We are also our brother's keeper. I welcome discussion and I hope that all find answers to their search. Don Soeken On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 2:02 PM, <ger-volga-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Response (Ron Greenwald) > 2. Re: FIRM orders of one or both volumes on the settlement of > immigrants of German origin in (a) Northern and/or (b) Southern > Alberta (Horst Gutsche) > 3. Y DNA, Palatine, Silesia (fjacobs@cox.net) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 06:21:34 -0700 > From: Ron Greenwald <RonFarmcr3@msn.com> > Subject: Re: [GV] Response > To: "'Darnell Dingle'" <darnell7@suddenlink.net>, "'Peg Goodrich'" > <goodrichpr@gmail.com>, "'Bill Pickelhaupt'" <billpick11@gmail.com> > Cc: ger-volga@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <BAY177-DS1632D566604638C11DFC618C800@phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Well said Darnell. > Ron Greenwald > > -----Original Message----- > From: ger-volga-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ger-volga-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Darnell Dingle > Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 3:56 PM > To: Peg Goodrich; Bill Pickelhaupt > Cc: ger-volga@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [GV] Response > > Amen! Just agree to disagree and grow up! > Darnell Dingle > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Peg Goodrich" <goodrichpr@gmail.com> > Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 3:19 PM > To: "Bill Pickelhaupt" <billpick11@gmail.com> > Cc: <ger-volga@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [GV] Response > >> Could you both please take this argument to a different forum? I >> really don't think this is the place. >> >> >> On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 4:17 PM, Bill Pickelhaupt >> <billpick11@gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> How do you know what I said or thought unless you had someone pose >>> and gather my emails and take it to you folks? The conscription >>> project was not going to fruitful, so I went to projects that were. >>> >>> Answer my questions. >>> >>> BP >>> >>> Sent from my HTC Inspire(tm) 4G on AT&T >>> >>> ----- Reply message ----- >>> From: "Kevin Rupp" <volgagerman@ruraltel.net> >>> To: "Bill Pickelhaupt" <billpick11@gmail.com>, >>> "ger-volga@rootsweb.com" <ger-volga@rootsweb.com> >>> Subject: [GV] Response >>> Date: Fri, Feb 21, 2014 4:04 pm >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Mr. Pickelhaupt, You were hardly on there long enough to learn anything. >>> Once you found out that we were not going to totally bankroll your >>> project, you ditched the board and have been bad-mouthing us ever >>> sense. >>> >>> Mr. Pickelhaupt, I suggest that you get over it and get on with your >>> life and stop boring these people with you whining. >>> >>> >>> Kevin Rupp >>> volgagerman@ruraltel.net >>> krupp@ruraltel.net >>> www.volgagerman.net >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: ger-volga-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto: >>> ger-volga-bounces@rootsweb.com] >>> On Behalf Of Bill Pickelhaupt >>> Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 2:53 PM >>> To: GER-VOLGA-L >>> Subject: [GV] Response >>> >>> I served for one meeting of the board. It was obvious I could >>> accomplish more outside the board than on the board, so I left. >>> >>> A bill was paid by AHSGR for translation services - Rick Rye was >>> going to accompany me, but health issues prevented his travel. This >>> was five years ago. I was out the cost of his airline ticket, which was > not a problem. >>> It >>> was necessary to employ a translator, however, in the attempt to find >>> conscription records related to Germans from the Volga, since I can >>> not read handwritten Russian. Talk about a Faustian bargain! No >>> records were found, and I moved on to other projects after my >>> departure from the >>> board: >>> translation of VG histories of Protestant villages, research in >>> *Mittheilungen und Nachrichten, *translation of Pastor Frederich >>> Dsirne's history of the Volga-German colonies in Russia, etc. Those >>> items have nothing to do with LDS. >>> >>> BTW, the 1850 and 1857 census data which I did find in Salt Lake City >>> was given by me to Brent Mai. I understand he has translated some of >>> these census records (I am told some census records he gets are >>> directly from Russian archives), and those village census records are >>> available for purchase in the AHSGR bookstore. That is fine with me. >>> Let's see, I paid for my trip from Los Angeles, where I lived at the >>> time, to Salt Lake City, my hotel room and meals in Salt Lake City >>> and gave away the fruits of my discovery. And AHSGR makes some money. >>> Fine with me, because it benefits a large number of researchers. And >>> I do not hold copyright on any of that material. >>> >>> As I said, the annotated Kontora cases are available online. Only the >>> titles and an internal numbering system seem to have survived. >>> >>> I am not fine with my copyrighted work being stolen. As webmaster, Mr. >>> Rupp, it seems you would be in an excellent position to have posted >>> my work to the AHSGR website. Is that the case? A question, not an >>> accusation. >>> >>> There has been collection of my emails by an individual posing as >>> someone disgruntled with AHSGR, gathering my words and running to the >>> board to pass my emails around. Did you coordinate that effort? I >>> would like to know who did coordinate that. Diane did tell me this >>> was going on. People have to be very insecure to worry about what I >>> think. >>> >>> The move to give SOAR obituaries to LDS' familysearch.org website is >>> a positive move. >>> Bill Pickelhaupt >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 02:33:49 -0700 > From: Horst Gutsche <hwg1923@hotmail.com> > Subject: Re: [GV] FIRM orders of one or both volumes on the settlement > of immigrants of German origin in (a) Northern and/or (b) Southern > Alberta > To: "ahsgr@ahsgr.org" <ahsgr@ahsgr.org>, "rachel@grhs.org" > <rachel@grhs.org>, "hsgpv@shaw.ca" <hsgpv@shaw.ca>, "sggee@sggee.org" > <sggee@sggee.org>, "krushelh@telus.net" <krushelh@telus.net>, Homer > Rudolf <hrudolf@richmond.edu>, "verein@bessarabien.de" > <verein@bessarabien.de> > Message-ID: <BAY176-W461BBB024D71D32BF87B82BE800@phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" > > > > From: mprokop@ualberta.ca > Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 20:26:06 -0500 > Subject: FIRM orders of one or both volumes on the settlement of immigrants of German origin in (a) Northern and/or (b) Southern Alberta > To: Manfred.Prokop@ualberta.ca > > Dear all, I sending out this mail to everyone who has expressed an interest in one or the other or both volumes. I thank you for your tremendous interest in the history of the ?Germans? in Alberta! Your interest ? and therefore the number of copies that can be reprinted ? will lower the price of the books! > I haven?t got very many new orders for a while, so this may be it. I have received enough pre-orders for both books ((ca. 50 for each volume) to make reprints financially feasible ! I will, of course, print extra copies just in case there are late pre-orders. > This being the case and knowing that you want to get your copy of the book(s) as soon as possible J I would like to accelerate the pace of getting the books printed. I checked with my printer, and they are ready to go to press even with my being far away from Calgary once I can give them the firm number of copies to be reprinted. J Please let me know by March 10 as per the information below. > Please note: I will write separately to those of you who want to get more information about the books (such as, ?Do they contain names of my ancestors??) once I am back in Calgary at the end of March so that you can make up your mind about ordering. There will be enough copies of both volumes. > This will be the cost of the books; it is lower than I had expected because of the substantial number of pre-orders that have come in. > 1. The Northern Alberta volume (238 pages, DVD, instructions for its use): $20.00, tax included. Shipping (postage, cost of bubble mailer and DVD) in all of Alberta except Calgary: $12.00 (averaged out for all locations) > 2. The Southern Alberta volume (308 pages, DVD, instructions for its use): $25.00, tax included. Shipping (postage, cost of bubble mailer and DVD) in all of Alberta except Calgary: $13.00 (averaged out for all locations) > For orders outside of Alberta, I will have to compute the shipping costs once I have your address. For orders from the U.S. I will send an invoice by e-mail once I know the postage; I will, of course, mail the book(s) out right away. > The postage for two books in Alberta is only $2.50 more!!! (I don?t know how Canada Post can justify the very high cost for one volume (ca. .8 kg), while it is quite reasonable for both volumes (ca. 1.5 kg). In other words, for both volumes the postage for all of Alberta is $15.50. > Thus: The total cost for one copy of the Northern Alberta book is $32.00 ($20+$12), for the Southern Alberta the total is $38.00 ($25+$13). For both volumes it is $60.50 ($20 +$25 + $15.50). Etc. > Of course, if a church or group or individual would be willing to receive the books on behalf of its members, this would further decrease the shipping costs for a parcel. Also: If someone in such a group would volunteer to pick up the copies from a Greyhound station I would happy to send the package that way. I have done this before several times. Please let me know when you place the order. I would like to keep your costs down as much as possible. > I should be able to mail out the books by the middle of April. > There is no need to send me your check or money order now, but please do so by the end of March. Make out the check/money order to: Manfred Prokop. My mailing address is 209 Tucker Boulevard, Okotoks, Alberta, T1S 2K1 > Here is what I would like to get from you: 1. Your name and detailed mailing address, please. > 2. Which volume(s)? How many copies?3. Any special requests for shipping. > Thank you and very best wishes, Manfred > Manfred ProkopModern Languages and Cultural StudiesUniversity of Alberta > Edmonton, AB Canada T6G 2E6 Mailing address: > 209 Tucker BoulevardOkotoks, Aalberta Canada T1S 2K1Phone/Fax: (403) 995-0321 > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 13:02:08 -0600 > From: <fjacobs@cox.net> > Subject: [GV] Y DNA, Palatine, Silesia > To: "List" <ger-volga@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <62BA6F462339416E95FB2E68E67D171B@FrankHP> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > The world of probabilities is ambiguous, which touchs on some DNA research. Definitely, > DNA backed up with history and written record is superior. However, it is well established > that if a person?s DNA is left at a scene where an event took place and that DNA can be > shone to be at that place at the time of that event, the inference can be made sufficiently > strong to incarcerate a person or release that person from incarceration. Y DNA has the > advantage of having an internal ?clock type feature? which roughly marks off time in 25 year > increments, allowing the time of events to be estimated with a degree of probability. > Absolute, certainly not. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Sources: J. Kuhlberg's list. Dr. Plevy, Saratov Archives, Russia 1997 > > Among the first colonists in the end of 1767, only one Catholic family is registered, > > the one of Johann Carl Claus(Klaus). He is a ploughman, 23 years old, arrived from Hohen > > Friedenberg or Hohen Friededberg (the first colonists record lists had been made by > > Russian clerks by ear and have certain inaccuracies.) His wife is Margaretha, 24 years old. They arrived > > at the Volga on Aug 17, 1766, and were temporarily, until spring 1768, settled in Paulskaja colony. > > Johann Carl arrived in Russia, in Oranienbaum (near Petersburg) on Aug 10,1766 on > > board a warship from Lubeck,where the colonists'collection station was located. > > In J.Kuhlberg's record list he is registered as single. It means means > > that he had married during his way to the Volga. We can say with a high degree > > of probability, that it was Johann Carl who gave rise to all the > > Catholics named Claus (Klaus). But the absence of church documents of the first decade > > of their living on the Volga do not enable us to confirm this supposition documentarily. > > Dr. Plevy; Saratov University > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > Sources:Russian American Genealogical Archives Service # 826, June 1998. RAGAS > Registry book of baptism of Roman Catholic Church, of Catharinenstadt > Parish, 1827-1835. Engels archive, fond 221, op.1, #11, p.100. entry > #88. Born15, baptized Nov 15, 1834, in Roman Catholic Church of Obermonjou, Peter son of Caspar Klaus. Parents: colonists Caspar Klaus > and Marianna Konrad, legal couple. Born in colony of Obermonjou, Catharinestadt Parish. Godparents Peter Leiker, Elizabeth Konradi from > Obermonjou. > > Family noted DOB as Nov 1832 or 1834; Russian Archive shows > Nov. 15, 1834 as DOB. > > National Archives, Washington, D.C., Passenger list, S.S. Donau, > arriving July 20, 1878, New York from Bremen, passengers > numbers 294 through 302. > The Russian records show that a Catholic German colonist family of 23 year old Johann Carl Claus > > was registered as arriving on the Volga in 1767. This family was shown to have settled in the Paulskaja Colony in > > 1768. > > We have no record of what happened to the Claus family until Gottfried > > Claus (born about 1777) appears on the 1816 Census of neighboring > > Obermonjou, Russia. > > My question is, is there a 1798 Census of the Paulskaja colony, or > > neighboring colonies which > > would record this Gottfried person, born in 1777? I recognize that > > church records often did not exist for this period. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Sources: J. Kuhlberg's list. Dr. Plevy, Saratov Archives, Russia 1997 > > Among the first colonists in the end of 1767, only one Catholic family is registered, > > the one of Johann Carl Claus(Klaus). He is a ploughman, 23 years old, arrived from Hohen > > Friedenberg or Hohen Friededberg (the first colonists record lists had been made by > > Russian clerks by ear and have certain inaccuracies.) His wife is Margaretha, 24 years old. They arrived > > at the Volga on Aug 17, 1766, and were temporarily, until spring 1768, settled in Paulskaja colony. > > Johann Carl arrived in Russia, in Oranienbaum (near Petersburg) on Aug 10,1766 on > > board a warship from Lubeck,where the colonists'collection station was located. > > In J.Kuhlberg's record list he is registered as single. It means means > > that he had married during his way to the Volga. We can say with a high degree > > of probability, that it was Johann Carl who gave rise to all the > > Catholics named Claus (Klaus). But the absence of church documents of the first decade > > of their living on the Volga do not enable us to confirm this supposition documentarily. > > Dr. Plevy; Saratov University > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > I?ve been doing some background work on Hohenfriedeberg, the origin of the first documented Klaus. His spouce, Konradi was listed as > from Silesia. The locations are one and the same. The first battle was Silesian was in 1742. What is interesting is that if they (Klaus) > arrived with the first German Catholics invited by the Prussians, they would to have to arrive no earlier than 1743- 1744; > a pretty short stay before heading for the Volga in 1765. > The Prussian invited German Catholics in as > farmer colonists. They did not have the land before 1742. However they had recruited western Europeans as early as 1509. > __________________________________________________________________________________________ > The Second Silesian War took place from 1744 to 1745. The Austrians had lost Silesia to Prussia in the Battle of Mollwitz. This was the time when the Austrians, under the command of Field Marshal Otto Ferdinand von Abensberg und Traun, made the attempt to gain control of Silesia once again. The Prussians were again led by King Frederick the Great who had continued the expansionist policy of his father. > > The Battle of Hohenfriedeberg on June 4, 1745 was fought through a ?series of separate actions?, with each part of the Prussian army fighting its own uncoordinated battle. Because the Saxons and Austrians were unable to support each other during the battle they ?Allowed the Prussians time to recover from their own tactical lapses and win a victory that was significant enough to give the battle?s name to one of Germany?s greatest marches?, They retained Silesia > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > > Frederick the Great was keenly interested in land use, especially draining swamps and opening new farmland for colonizers who would increase the kingdom's food supply. He called it "peopling Prussia" (Peuplierungspolitik). About a thousand new villages were founded in his reign that attracted 300,000 immigrants from outside Prussia. He told Voltaire, "Whoever improves the soil, cultivates land lying waste and drains swamps, is making conquests from barbarism".[91] Using improved technology enabled him to create new farmland through a massive drainage program in the country's Oderbruch marsh-land. This program created roughly 150,000 acres of new farmland, but also eliminated vast swaths of natural habitat, destroyed the region's biodiversity, and displaced numerous native communities. Frederick saw as this project as the "taming" and "conquering" of nature, which, in its wild form, he regarded as "useless" and "barbarous" (an attitude that reflected his enlightenment-era, ! ra! > tionalist sensibilities).[92] He presided over the construction of canals for bringing crops to market, and introduced new crops, especially the potato and the turnip, to the country.[93] > > ___________________________________________________________________ > > Frederick eventually ended up controlling both the Danzig area and Silesia, partially after his father died in and the subdivision of Poland > > in 1709, when he began recruiting German farmers in earnest, freely expressing his distaste for most things Polish, stating that he wanted > > to replace every Pole with a German. While the early Prussians recruited Netherland Mennonites to work on reclaiming the swamp land > > as early as 1509, and while the Mennonites existed peacefully with the Catholic Germans, it is not clear when Frederick started his recruitment. > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > > Suffice it to say that a male Klaus descendant from Silesia, tested positive with Y DNA for sharing a common ancestor with Palatine, Germans who > > migrated to the Pennslyvannia and Virginia colonies about 1713, as well as being a direct descendant of some Silesian Germans who later > > occupied Obermonjou , Russia in the 1760s and Ellis County, Kansas. > > > > Frank Jacobs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the GER-VOLGA list administrator, send an email to > GER-VOLGA-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the GER-VOLGA mailing list, send an email to GER-VOLGA@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of GER-VOLGA Digest, Vol 9, Issue 48 > ****************************************

The world of probabilities is ambiguous, which touchs on some DNA research. Definitely, DNA backed up with history and written record is superior. However, it is well established that if a person’s DNA is left at a scene where an event took place and that DNA can be shone to be at that place at the time of that event, the inference can be made sufficiently strong to incarcerate a person or release that person from incarceration. Y DNA has the advantage of having an internal “clock type feature” which roughly marks off time in 25 year increments, allowing the time of events to be estimated with a degree of probability. Absolute, certainly not. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sources: J. Kuhlberg's list. Dr. Plevy, Saratov Archives, Russia 1997 Among the first colonists in the end of 1767, only one Catholic family is registered, the one of Johann Carl Claus(Klaus). He is a ploughman, 23 years old, arrived from Hohen Friedenberg or Hohen Friededberg (the first colonists record lists had been made by Russian clerks by ear and have certain inaccuracies.) His wife is Margaretha, 24 years old. They arrived at the Volga on Aug 17, 1766, and were temporarily, until spring 1768, settled in Paulskaja colony. Johann Carl arrived in Russia, in Oranienbaum (near Petersburg) on Aug 10,1766 on board a warship from Lubeck,where the colonists'collection station was located. In J.Kuhlberg's record list he is registered as single. It means means that he had married during his way to the Volga. We can say with a high degree of probability, that it was Johann Carl who gave rise to all the Catholics named Claus (Klaus). But the absence of church documents of the first decade of their living on the Volga do not enable us to confirm this supposition documentarily. Dr. Plevy; Saratov University ------------------------------------------------------- Sources:Russian American Genealogical Archives Service # 826, June 1998. RAGAS Registry book of baptism of Roman Catholic Church, of Catharinenstadt Parish, 1827-1835. Engels archive, fond 221, op.1, #11, p.100. entry #88. Born15, baptized Nov 15, 1834, in Roman Catholic Church of Obermonjou, Peter son of Caspar Klaus. Parents: colonists Caspar Klaus and Marianna Konrad, legal couple. Born in colony of Obermonjou, Catharinestadt Parish. Godparents Peter Leiker, Elizabeth Konradi from Obermonjou. Family noted DOB as Nov 1832 or 1834; Russian Archive shows Nov. 15, 1834 as DOB. National Archives, Washington, D.C., Passenger list, S.S. Donau, arriving July 20, 1878, New York from Bremen, passengers numbers 294 through 302. The Russian records show that a Catholic German colonist family of 23 year old Johann Carl Claus was registered as arriving on the Volga in 1767. This family was shown to have settled in the Paulskaja Colony in 1768. We have no record of what happened to the Claus family until Gottfried Claus (born about 1777) appears on the 1816 Census of neighboring Obermonjou, Russia. My question is, is there a 1798 Census of the Paulskaja colony, or neighboring colonies which would record this Gottfried person, born in 1777? I recognize that church records often did not exist for this period. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Sources: J. Kuhlberg's list. Dr. Plevy, Saratov Archives, Russia 1997 Among the first colonists in the end of 1767, only one Catholic family is registered, the one of Johann Carl Claus(Klaus). He is a ploughman, 23 years old, arrived from Hohen Friedenberg or Hohen Friededberg (the first colonists record lists had been made by Russian clerks by ear and have certain inaccuracies.) His wife is Margaretha, 24 years old. They arrived at the Volga on Aug 17, 1766, and were temporarily, until spring 1768, settled in Paulskaja colony. Johann Carl arrived in Russia, in Oranienbaum (near Petersburg) on Aug 10,1766 on board a warship from Lubeck,where the colonists'collection station was located. In J.Kuhlberg's record list he is registered as single. It means means that he had married during his way to the Volga. We can say with a high degree of probability, that it was Johann Carl who gave rise to all the Catholics named Claus (Klaus). But the absence of church documents of the first decade of their living on the Volga do not enable us to confirm this supposition documentarily. Dr. Plevy; Saratov University ------------------------------------------------------- I’ve been doing some background work on Hohenfriedeberg, the origin of the first documented Klaus. His spouce, Konradi was listed as from Silesia. The locations are one and the same. The first battle was Silesian was in 1742. What is interesting is that if they (Klaus) arrived with the first German Catholics invited by the Prussians, they would to have to arrive no earlier than 1743- 1744; a pretty short stay before heading for the Volga in 1765. The Prussian invited German Catholics in as farmer colonists. They did not have the land before 1742. However they had recruited western Europeans as early as 1509. __________________________________________________________________________________________ The Second Silesian War took place from 1744 to 1745. The Austrians had lost Silesia to Prussia in the Battle of Mollwitz. This was the time when the Austrians, under the command of Field Marshal Otto Ferdinand von Abensberg und Traun, made the attempt to gain control of Silesia once again. The Prussians were again led by King Frederick the Great who had continued the expansionist policy of his father. The Battle of Hohenfriedeberg on June 4, 1745 was fought through a “series of separate actions”, with each part of the Prussian army fighting its own uncoordinated battle. Because the Saxons and Austrians were unable to support each other during the battle they “Allowed the Prussians time to recover from their own tactical lapses and win a victory that was significant enough to give the battle’s name to one of Germany’s greatest marches”, They retained Silesia ____________________________________________________________________________________ Frederick the Great was keenly interested in land use, especially draining swamps and opening new farmland for colonizers who would increase the kingdom's food supply. He called it "peopling Prussia" (Peuplierungspolitik). About a thousand new villages were founded in his reign that attracted 300,000 immigrants from outside Prussia. He told Voltaire, "Whoever improves the soil, cultivates land lying waste and drains swamps, is making conquests from barbarism".[91] Using improved technology enabled him to create new farmland through a massive drainage program in the country's Oderbruch marsh-land. This program created roughly 150,000 acres of new farmland, but also eliminated vast swaths of natural habitat, destroyed the region's biodiversity, and displaced numerous native communities. Frederick saw as this project as the "taming" and "conquering" of nature, which, in its wild form, he regarded as "useless" and "barbarous" (an attitude that reflected his enlightenment-era, rationalist sensibilities).[92] He presided over the construction of canals for bringing crops to market, and introduced new crops, especially the potato and the turnip, to the country.[93] ___________________________________________________________________ Frederick eventually ended up controlling both the Danzig area and Silesia, partially after his father died in and the subdivision of Poland in 1709, when he began recruiting German farmers in earnest, freely expressing his distaste for most things Polish, stating that he wanted to replace every Pole with a German. While the early Prussians recruited Netherland Mennonites to work on reclaiming the swamp land as early as 1509, and while the Mennonites existed peacefully with the Catholic Germans, it is not clear when Frederick started his recruitment. ____________________________________________________________________________ Suffice it to say that a male Klaus descendant from Silesia, tested positive with Y DNA for sharing a common ancestor with Palatine, Germans who migrated to the Pennslyvannia and Virginia colonies about 1713, as well as being a direct descendant of some Silesian Germans who later occupied Obermonjou , Russia in the 1760s and Ellis County, Kansas. Frank Jacobs

Well said Darnell. Ron Greenwald -----Original Message----- From: ger-volga-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ger-volga-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Darnell Dingle Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 3:56 PM To: Peg Goodrich; Bill Pickelhaupt Cc: ger-volga@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GV] Response Amen! Just agree to disagree and grow up! Darnell Dingle -------------------------------------------------- From: "Peg Goodrich" <goodrichpr@gmail.com> Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 3:19 PM To: "Bill Pickelhaupt" <billpick11@gmail.com> Cc: <ger-volga@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [GV] Response > Could you both please take this argument to a different forum? I > really don't think this is the place. > > > On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 4:17 PM, Bill Pickelhaupt > <billpick11@gmail.com>wrote: > >> How do you know what I said or thought unless you had someone pose >> and gather my emails and take it to you folks? The conscription >> project was not going to fruitful, so I went to projects that were. >> >> Answer my questions. >> >> BP >> >> Sent from my HTC Inspire(tm) 4G on AT&T >> >> ----- Reply message ----- >> From: "Kevin Rupp" <volgagerman@ruraltel.net> >> To: "Bill Pickelhaupt" <billpick11@gmail.com>, >> "ger-volga@rootsweb.com" <ger-volga@rootsweb.com> >> Subject: [GV] Response >> Date: Fri, Feb 21, 2014 4:04 pm >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Mr. Pickelhaupt, You were hardly on there long enough to learn anything. >> Once you found out that we were not going to totally bankroll your >> project, you ditched the board and have been bad-mouthing us ever >> sense. >> >> Mr. Pickelhaupt, I suggest that you get over it and get on with your >> life and stop boring these people with you whining. >> >> >> Kevin Rupp >> volgagerman@ruraltel.net >> krupp@ruraltel.net >> www.volgagerman.net >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: ger-volga-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto: >> ger-volga-bounces@rootsweb.com] >> On Behalf Of Bill Pickelhaupt >> Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 2:53 PM >> To: GER-VOLGA-L >> Subject: [GV] Response >> >> I served for one meeting of the board. It was obvious I could >> accomplish more outside the board than on the board, so I left. >> >> A bill was paid by AHSGR for translation services - Rick Rye was >> going to accompany me, but health issues prevented his travel. This >> was five years ago. I was out the cost of his airline ticket, which was not a problem. >> It >> was necessary to employ a translator, however, in the attempt to find >> conscription records related to Germans from the Volga, since I can >> not read handwritten Russian. Talk about a Faustian bargain! No >> records were found, and I moved on to other projects after my >> departure from the >> board: >> translation of VG histories of Protestant villages, research in >> *Mittheilungen und Nachrichten, *translation of Pastor Frederich >> Dsirne's history of the Volga-German colonies in Russia, etc. Those >> items have nothing to do with LDS. >> >> BTW, the 1850 and 1857 census data which I did find in Salt Lake City >> was given by me to Brent Mai. I understand he has translated some of >> these census records (I am told some census records he gets are >> directly from Russian archives), and those village census records are >> available for purchase in the AHSGR bookstore. That is fine with me. >> Let's see, I paid for my trip from Los Angeles, where I lived at the >> time, to Salt Lake City, my hotel room and meals in Salt Lake City >> and gave away the fruits of my discovery. And AHSGR makes some money. >> Fine with me, because it benefits a large number of researchers. And >> I do not hold copyright on any of that material. >> >> As I said, the annotated Kontora cases are available online. Only the >> titles and an internal numbering system seem to have survived. >> >> I am not fine with my copyrighted work being stolen. As webmaster, Mr. >> Rupp, it seems you would be in an excellent position to have posted >> my work to the AHSGR website. Is that the case? A question, not an >> accusation. >> >> There has been collection of my emails by an individual posing as >> someone disgruntled with AHSGR, gathering my words and running to the >> board to pass my emails around. Did you coordinate that effort? I >> would like to know who did coordinate that. Diane did tell me this >> was going on. People have to be very insecure to worry about what I >> think. >> >> The move to give SOAR obituaries to LDS' familysearch.org website is >> a positive move. >> Bill Pickelhaupt >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

From: mprokop@ualberta.ca Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 20:26:06 -0500 Subject: FIRM orders of one or both volumes on the settlement of immigrants of German origin in (a) Northern and/or (b) Southern Alberta To: Manfred.Prokop@ualberta.ca Dear all, I sending out this mail to everyone who has expressed an interest in one or the other or both volumes. I thank you for your tremendous interest in the history of the “Germans” in Alberta! Your interest – and therefore the number of copies that can be reprinted – will lower the price of the books! I haven’t got very many new orders for a while, so this may be it. I have received enough pre-orders for both books ((ca. 50 for each volume) to make reprints financially feasible ! I will, of course, print extra copies just in case there are late pre-orders. This being the case and knowing that you want to get your copy of the book(s) as soon as possible J I would like to accelerate the pace of getting the books printed. I checked with my printer, and they are ready to go to press even with my being far away from Calgary once I can give them the firm number of copies to be reprinted. J Please let me know by March 10 as per the information below. Please note: I will write separately to those of you who want to get more information about the books (such as, “Do they contain names of my ancestors?”) once I am back in Calgary at the end of March so that you can make up your mind about ordering. There will be enough copies of both volumes. This will be the cost of the books; it is lower than I had expected because of the substantial number of pre-orders that have come in. 1. The Northern Alberta volume (238 pages, DVD, instructions for its use): $20.00, tax included. Shipping (postage, cost of bubble mailer and DVD) in all of Alberta except Calgary: $12.00 (averaged out for all locations) 2. The Southern Alberta volume (308 pages, DVD, instructions for its use): $25.00, tax included. Shipping (postage, cost of bubble mailer and DVD) in all of Alberta except Calgary: $13.00 (averaged out for all locations) For orders outside of Alberta, I will have to compute the shipping costs once I have your address. For orders from the U.S. I will send an invoice by e-mail once I know the postage; I will, of course, mail the book(s) out right away. The postage for two books in Alberta is only $2.50 more!!! (I don’t know how Canada Post can justify the very high cost for one volume (ca. .8 kg), while it is quite reasonable for both volumes (ca. 1.5 kg). In other words, for both volumes the postage for all of Alberta is $15.50. Thus: The total cost for one copy of the Northern Alberta book is $32.00 ($20+$12), for the Southern Alberta the total is $38.00 ($25+$13). For both volumes it is $60.50 ($20 +$25 + $15.50). Etc. Of course, if a church or group or individual would be willing to receive the books on behalf of its members, this would further decrease the shipping costs for a parcel. Also: If someone in such a group would volunteer to pick up the copies from a Greyhound station I would happy to send the package that way. I have done this before several times. Please let me know when you place the order. I would like to keep your costs down as much as possible. I should be able to mail out the books by the middle of April. There is no need to send me your check or money order now, but please do so by the end of March. Make out the check/money order to: Manfred Prokop. My mailing address is 209 Tucker Boulevard, Okotoks, Alberta, T1S 2K1 Here is what I would like to get from you: 1. Your name and detailed mailing address, please. 2. Which volume(s)? How many copies?3. Any special requests for shipping. Thank you and very best wishes, Manfred Manfred ProkopModern Languages and Cultural StudiesUniversity of Alberta Edmonton, AB Canada T6G 2E6 Mailing address: 209 Tucker BoulevardOkotoks, Aalberta Canada T1S 2K1Phone/Fax: (403) 995-0321

Frank, Looking at the Einwandering books, I find the following from Schlesian: Gottlieb Bitsch von Schlesien - Vol 1, page295 Gottfried Kammer von Scnlesien, Vol 4, page92 There are a number that show up in Kuhlberg even a Johann Klaus. I note that many of them are single men from Schliesian. Rosemary Larson -----Original Message----- From: David Schmidt Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 11:12 AM To: ger-volga-l@rootsweb.com ; fjacobs@cox.net Subject: [GV] Volga Germans Colonists from Silesia and Danzig Frank Jacobs asked the following: I would greatly appreciate in knowing of GR ancestory which had a presence in Silesia and or Danzig or Marienberg, Poland. My response: I have an ancestor who supposedly came from Silesia (Schlesien). According to the First Settlers List (FSL) for Stahl am Karaman, Christian Rose, a Lutheran colonist born about 1737, came from "Gerna/Herna" in Silesia. So far, I have not been able to identify the place to which that refers. For that matter, I am not aware of any Volga German researcher who has confirmed a colonist's place of origin in Silesia. Such research is difficult because the church records for Silesia are generally accessible only through Polish archives, not easily accessible through LDS. By the way, according to the Kuhlberg Lists, Christian Rose was a hat maker from the Darmstadt area. Whether that indicates that he re-located from Silesia (his place of birth) to Darmstadt (Hessen-Darmstadt?) before emigrating to the Volga, I don't know. In my view, Silesia and Danzig are completely different areas. Some of the ships included in the Kuhlberg Lists are ones that originated from Danzig or that stopped there. Therefore, it should not be surprising that Volga German colonists came from the area surrounding Danzig. Silesia is a horse of a different color, because it was a long distance from Danzig or any other colonist gathering point. David F. Schmidt VC for Boaro, Caesarsfeld & Stahl am Karaman Email: schmidtdavidf@yahoo.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Amen! Just agree to disagree and grow up! Darnell Dingle -------------------------------------------------- From: "Peg Goodrich" <goodrichpr@gmail.com> Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 3:19 PM To: "Bill Pickelhaupt" <billpick11@gmail.com> Cc: <ger-volga@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [GV] Response > Could you both please take this argument to a different forum? I really > don't think this is the place. > > > On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 4:17 PM, Bill Pickelhaupt > <billpick11@gmail.com>wrote: > >> How do you know what I said or thought unless you had someone pose and >> gather my emails and take it to you folks? The conscription project >> was not going to fruitful, so I went to projects that were. >> >> Answer my questions. >> >> BP >> >> Sent from my HTC Inspire(tm) 4G on AT&T >> >> ----- Reply message ----- >> From: "Kevin Rupp" <volgagerman@ruraltel.net> >> To: "Bill Pickelhaupt" <billpick11@gmail.com>, >> "ger-volga@rootsweb.com" <ger-volga@rootsweb.com> >> Subject: [GV] Response >> Date: Fri, Feb 21, 2014 4:04 pm >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Mr. Pickelhaupt, You were hardly on there long enough to learn anything. >> Once you found out that we were not going to totally bankroll your >> project, >> you ditched the board and have been bad-mouthing us ever sense. >> >> Mr. Pickelhaupt, I suggest that you get over it and get on with your life >> and stop boring these people with you whining. >> >> >> Kevin Rupp >> volgagerman@ruraltel.net >> krupp@ruraltel.net >> www.volgagerman.net >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: ger-volga-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto: >> ger-volga-bounces@rootsweb.com] >> On Behalf Of Bill Pickelhaupt >> Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 2:53 PM >> To: GER-VOLGA-L >> Subject: [GV] Response >> >> I served for one meeting of the board. It was obvious I could accomplish >> more outside the board than on the board, so I left. >> >> A bill was paid by AHSGR for translation services - Rick Rye was going to >> accompany me, but health issues prevented his travel. This was five years >> ago. I was out the cost of his airline ticket, which was not a problem. >> It >> was necessary to employ a translator, however, in the attempt to find >> conscription records related to Germans from the Volga, since I can not >> read handwritten Russian. Talk about a Faustian bargain! No records were >> found, and I moved on to other projects after my departure from the >> board: >> translation of VG histories of Protestant villages, research in >> *Mittheilungen >> und Nachrichten, *translation of Pastor Frederich Dsirne's history of the >> Volga-German colonies in Russia, etc. Those items have nothing to do with >> LDS. >> >> BTW, the 1850 and 1857 census data which I did find in Salt Lake City was >> given by me to Brent Mai. I understand he has translated some of these >> census records (I am told some census records he gets are directly from >> Russian archives), and those village census records are available for >> purchase in the AHSGR bookstore. That is fine with me. Let's see, I paid >> for my trip from Los Angeles, where I lived at the time, to Salt Lake >> City, >> my hotel room and meals in Salt Lake City and gave away the fruits of my >> discovery. And AHSGR makes some money. Fine with me, because it benefits >> a >> large number of researchers. And I do not hold copyright on any of that >> material. >> >> As I said, the annotated Kontora cases are available online. Only the >> titles and an internal numbering system seem to have survived. >> >> I am not fine with my copyrighted work being stolen. As webmaster, Mr. >> Rupp, it seems you would be in an excellent position to have posted my >> work >> to the AHSGR website. Is that the case? A question, not an accusation. >> >> There has been collection of my emails by an individual posing as someone >> disgruntled with AHSGR, gathering my words and running to the board to >> pass >> my emails around. Did you coordinate that effort? I would like to know >> who >> did coordinate that. Diane did tell me this was going on. People have to >> be >> very insecure to worry about what I think. >> >> The move to give SOAR obituaries to LDS' familysearch.org website is a >> positive move. >> Bill Pickelhaupt >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Schneider, Dorothy I., 1923- Jan. 28, 2014 The Coloradoan Fort Collins, Colorado 25 Feb 2014 Dorothy I. Schneider passed away on Jan. 28, 2014 at the age of 91. At her request, there was no funeral service. A family memorial will be held this spring. Dorothy's family and friends are familiar with her many special qualities. She was proud to be a farmer and worked diligently for years alongside her husband Alvin (Babe) in their successful farming and dairy businesses. They set aside time on Sunday afternoons to meet friends and enjoy the music and dancing to their favorite polka bands. In later years, they found pleasure through travel and fishing trips. Dorothy always had that beautiful smile, positive confident influence and refined cooking skills that will be sorely missed. She is survived by her children, Gerry (Manee) Schneider, Judy (Rich) Uhrich, Janet (Rick) Peden; and grandchildren, Carrie (Casey) Schares and Jason Uhrich. Friends may send condolences to the family at bohlenderfuneralchapel.com

Mueller, Roger Wayne, March 7, 1921- Feb. 22, 2014 Scottsbluff Star Herald Socttsbluff, Nebraska 25 Feb 2014 Roger Mueller, 92, of Scottsbluff, passed away Saturday, Feb. 22, 2014 at his home. His funeral service will be held at 10 a.m. on Friday, Feb. 28, at St. John’s Lutheran Church in Scottsbluff with Reverend Jeffery Grams officiating. Interment will follow at Fairview Cemetery with military rites by the United State Air Force Honor Guard. Visitation will be from 11 a.m. to 7 p.m. on Thursday at Jolliffe Funeral Home. The family respectfully requests that in lieu of flowers, memorials in Roger’s honor be made in care of the church. Online condolences may be left at www.jolliffefuneralhome.com. Jolliffe Funeral Home and Crematory in Scottsbluff is in charge of arrangements. Roger was born March 7, 1921 in Fillmore County, Neb. to Henry and Muriel (Spragg) Mueller. He received his education and graduated from Shickley High School. He attended Kearney State College for a short time. After college he joined the United States Air Force from 1942–1945, serving in WWII. After his honorable discharge from the military, he married Lorraine Eisenach in Scottsbluff on June 15, 1946. Roger worked as a mechanic for Whiteheads in Mitchell until 1948, then from 1948-1966 as a mechanic for Gillman’s, in 1966 he went to work at the Post Office for 17 ½ years, starting as a clerk in Scottsbluff then became a Postal Carrier in Gering until his retirement in 1983. Roger was a member of St. John’s Lutheran Church, the VFW, American Legion, a Boy Scout Leader, 23 Club Coach, coached bowling for the last 30 years, was a church elder, was on the Evangelical Board, Educational Board, Sunday School teacher, choir member and Team Captain of his bowling league. Roger enjoyed sharing the word of God to his fellow man and was in the jail ministry since 1993. He enjoyed bowling, golfing and spending time with his loving family. He was a loving husband, father, grandfather, great grandfather and friend. He will be sadly missed by all who knew him and his memory will be forever cherished by his loving family. Roger is survived by his loving wife Lorraine of Scottsbluff; children, Wayne (Mitzi) Mueller of North Platte, Keith (Virginia) Mueller of Hicksville, N.Y., Beverly (Errol) Forman of West Palm Beach, Fla., Jonathan Mueller of Port Washington, N.Y., Matthew Mueller of Ft. Collins, Colo., Valerie (Bob) Bohan of North Platte, Stephanie (Eddie) Chapman of Torrington, Wyo., Paul Mueller and Timothy Mueller both of Scottsbluff, and Jason (Kristi) Mueller of Gering; grandchildren, Sean, Craig, Rob, Emily, Steven, Jennifer, Tanya, Brian, Nicole, Nathan, Sean, Hannah, Kaleigh, Victoria, and Megan; great-grandchildren, Hailie, Alliesha, David, Rylan, Hunter, and Carly; sister, Esther Domeier of Geneva, Neb; sister-in-law, Irene Mueller of North Platte, and numerous nieces and nephews. His parents, son Manuel Mueller and brother Loren Mueller preceded Roger in death.

Frank Jacobs asked the following: I would greatly appreciate in knowing of GR ancestory which had a presence in Silesia and or Danzig or Marienberg, Poland. My response: I have an ancestor who supposedly came from Silesia (Schlesien). According to the First Settlers List (FSL) for Stahl am Karaman, Christian Rose, a Lutheran colonist born about 1737, came from "Gerna/Herna" in Silesia. So far, I have not been able to identify the place to which that refers. For that matter, I am not aware of any Volga German researcher who has confirmed a colonist's place of origin in Silesia. Such research is difficult because the church records for Silesia are generally accessible only through Polish archives, not easily accessible through LDS. By the way, according to the Kuhlberg Lists, Christian Rose was a hat maker from the Darmstadt area. Whether that indicates that he re-located from Silesia (his place of birth) to Darmstadt (Hessen-Darmstadt?) before emigrating to the Volga, I don't know. In my view, Silesia and Danzig are completely different areas. Some of the ships included in the Kuhlberg Lists are ones that originated from Danzig or that stopped there. Therefore, it should not be surprising that Volga German colonists came from the area surrounding Danzig. Silesia is a horse of a different color, because it was a long distance from Danzig or any other colonist gathering point. David F. Schmidt VC for Boaro, Caesarsfeld & Stahl am Karaman Email: schmidtdavidf@yahoo.com

Schmidt, Reinhold 'Reine', Dec. 22, 1929- Feb. 21, 2014 Scottsbluff Star Herald Scottsbluff, Nebraska 25 Feb 2014 MCGREW — Reinie Schmidt, 84, passed away Friday, Feb. 21, 2014 at his home in McGrew. Memorial services will be at 10:30 a.m. Wednesday Feb. 26, at First Presbyterian Church in Scottsbluff with Pastor Bev Russell officiating. A private graveside services will be held Wednesday, at Sunset Memorial Park in Scottsbluff. Memorials may be made to Legacy of the Plains Museum. Tributes of sympathy may be left at www.dugankramer.com. Reine was born to Jacob J. and Emilie (Meier) Schmidt on Dec. 22, 1929 in Scottsbluff. He attended Scottsbluff Public Schools. He married Elaine Gatch on Nov. 28, 1948 in Scottsbluff where they made their home until 1974 when they moved to McGrew. Reine worked for John Deere dealers Farmers Union, Ted B. Miller Company and Frank Implement until his retirement in 1991. He was past president of the Scottsbluff Volunteer Fire Department, Sunday School teacher and Deacon of the First Presbyterian Church in Scottsbluff and a life member of Elks Lodge #1367 of Scottsbluff. He is survived by his wife, Elaine; son, Steve (Ann) Schmidt of Omaha; daughter, Jamalee (Steve) Batt of Melbeta; grandchildren, Aaron (Katie) Wlaschin, St. Paul, Minn., Brian (Emily) Wlaschin, Christy Schmidt, T.J. Davey, Jeff Schmidt, and Lacey Batt, all of Omaha; step-grandchildren, Trevor (Leslie) Batt, Melbeta and Kendra (Jared) Brock; six step-great grandchildren; brothers, Walter, Harry (Iris) and Donald (Claudette) Schmidt all of Scottsbluff, Clarence (Wanda) Schmidt, Gering, Roland and Jerry (Jackie) Schmidt of Mitchell and sister Donna Leever of Scottsbluff and many nieces and nephews. Reine was preceded in death by his parents; brother, Edward; brother-in-law, Jerrold Leever; sisters-in-law, Marlene, Shirley and Rita Schmidt and nephews, Rick and Corey Schmidt.

Greetings, We are in the process on following up on considerable number of Y DNA contacts of 37 markers, between Rhineland and Palatine matchs with Volga Germans which go back to the 1710 era migrations to Pennsylvannia and the Virginia colonies as part of the Queen Anne’s migration. These other “contact relatives” have 1766 era relatives at the 37 marker level in the Volga colonies. This is pretty well documented. However, the catch is that some of these Volga contacts first came out of Silesia before going to the Volga in 1765-66. This very handy for tracing origin of these Silesia families, but leaves open another whole series of questions, i.e... when did this prior “migration” occur and what was it’s size? And why the shift in residence from Frederick’s Prussia to his arch enemy Catherine’s land. I recognize that Catherine settled their differences in 1709 after the partition of Poland, and long after the original Volga German 1765-66 migration. However after 1709, many of Frederick’s Mennonites opted to migrate to Catherine’s Ukraine, which she had just won from the Ottoman Empire. In related matters note that the Prussians invited the Netherland Mennonites to the area below Danzig, which was a very swampy about 1509. The Prussians were interested in Dutch style windmills which became quite plentiful thereafter. Frederick was very interested in reclaiming the land and bringing in Germans for the agriculture. But the question is, when did he start this process, as he did it in earnest after 1709 partition and he acquired 1/3 of Poland? He only came to the throne much later than the initial Mennonite invitation, when his father died. I have a Catholic grandmother’s line which migrated from Marienberg, just in the shadow of Danzig to the Volga in 1765. This begs another question, when did the recruitment of Palatine Catholics start being recruited to the Danzig area? The Deutschendorf genealogy (John Denver’s family) made the migration from Danzig to the Ukraine after 1709. It was only later that the Silesia ownership question was answered and Germans were recruited from the Palatinate to Silesia. These are the people who share Y DNA with my mother’s family. I would greatly appreciate in knowing of GR ancestory which had a presence in Silesia and or Danzig or Marienberg, Poland. Thank you very much. Frank Jacobs fjacobs@cox.net

Rien, Leona I., Jan. 25, 1924- Feb. 20, 2014 Scottsbluff Star Herald Scottsbluff, Nebraska 23 Feb 2014 Leona Irene Schleicher Rien, 90, of Scottsbluff, passed away peacefully surrounded by her three loving daughters, Wednesday, Feb. 20, 2014 at Heritage Estates in Gering. A funeral service will be held at 2 p.m., Wednesday, Feb. 26, 2014, at Zion Evangelical Church in Scottsbluff with Pastors Garry Schick and Andy Griess officiating. Leona will be laid to rest alongside her husband Victor, at Fairview Cemetery in Scottsbluff. Visitation will be from 5-6:30 p.m., Tuesday, Feb. 25, 2014, at Jolliffe Funeral Home in Scottsbluff. In lieu of flowers, memorials may be made to Zion Evangelical Church. Online condolences may be made by visiting www.jolliffefuneralhome.com Leona was born Jan. 25, 1924, in Scottsbluff to Samuel and Katherine (Benzel) Schleicher. She grew up and attended school in the Scottsbluff area. Leona married Victor Rien, Jan. 11, 1942, in Torrington, Wyo., and to this union three daughters were born: Charlene, Kathy, and Vicky. They celebrated 70 years of marriage in 2013. Leona and Victor were partners in farming for 41 years. They retired in Feb., 1983, and moved to town into the home of their dreams. Taking up walking daily, they became known as the Walkers in their neighborhood. Leona was a devoted wife, mother, grandmother and daughter. When not in the fields working alongside her husband, one would find her doing the things that gave her much pleasure, cooking, sewing, and gardening. Each of her daughters, grandchildren and great grandchildren have received a quilt, afghan and baby blanket that she made especially for them. Daughter, Vicky, was blessed when her mother offered to make her wedding dress. Leona enjoyed bowling and was a member of the Roll and Coffee league for many years. As a devoted daughter, she cared for her elderly parents, checking on them daily. She was always willing and ready to lend a helping hand to a neighbor in need. Her most recent passion was reading. She has been a role model to all of her family. Leona leaves them with many wonderful memories, and hopes they each can continue to show the kindness, courage and willingness to help those that they come in contact with as they continue the legacy that she has taught each of them. Leona is survived by her daughters, Charlene (Junior) Schwartz, Minatare, Kathy (Mark) Anderson, Waco, TX, and Vicky (Tim) Margheim, Scottsbluff; six grandchildren, Jeff Schwartz, Minatare, Robin (Tim) Johnson, Aurora, CO, Kristen Gammel, Waco, TX, Matt (Kadie) Anderson, Spring, TX, Dr. Joseph (Andrea) Margheim, Scottsbluff and Jenny (Ed) Armstrong, Bellevue; 10 great grandchildren; sisters, Eldora Heyl, Kirksville, MO and Jolene Wurm, Lakewood, CO; brother, Art (Jackie) Schleicher, Plattsmouth; and many nieces and nephews. Preceding her in death were her husband, Victor; her parents; sister, Edna Frank; brothers-in-law, Bill Heyl, Emanual Frank, Jack Hight and Larry Wurm; and nephew, Perry Hight. The family wants to extend a special thanks to Heritage’s Juniper and Cedar neighborhoods staff, the therapists and Mary Beth Mau for all the love and support given to Leona and her daughters.

Us Germans never could get along!! lol ----- Original Message ----- From: "RON GREENWALD" <ronfarmcr3@msn.com> To: "Ann Weber" <aweber35@sbcglobal.net>; "Bill Pickelhaupt" <billpick11@gmail.com>; <ger-volga@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 11:46 PM Subject: Re: [GV] Response >I totally agree..Ron > > > > >> From: aweber35@sbcglobal.net >> To: billpick11@gmail.com; ger-volga@rootsweb.com >> Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 16:54:12 -0600 >> Subject: Re: [GV] Response >> >> Enough said! Let's move on.......... >> Ann >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Bill Pickelhaupt" <billpick11@gmail.com> >> To: <ger-volga@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 3:59 PM >> Subject: Re: [GV] Response >> >> >> > It is working its way through the system. >> > >> > BP >> > >> > Sent from my HTC Inspire(tm) 4G on AT&T >> > >> > ----- Reply message ----- >> > From: "Kevin Rupp" <volgagerman@ruraltel.net> >> > To: "Peg Goodrich" <goodrichpr@gmail.com>, "ger-volga@rootsweb.com" >> > <ger-volga@rootsweb.com> >> > Subject: [GV] Response >> > Date: Fri, Feb 21, 2014 4:46 pm >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Peg, >> > >> > >> > >> > I totally agree. I just wanted people to know the other have of the >> > story. >> > >> > >> > >> > Kevin Rupp >> > >> > volgagerman@ruraltel.net >> > >> > krupp@ruraltel.net >> > >> > www.volgagerman.net >> > >> > >> > >> > _____ >> > >> > From: Peg Goodrich [mailto:goodrichpr@gmail.com] >> > Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 3:20 PM >> > To: Bill Pickelhaupt >> > Cc: volgagerman@ruraltel.net; ger-volga@rootsweb.com >> > Subject: Re: [GV] Response >> > >> > >> > >> > Could you both please take this argument to a different forum? I >> > really >> > don't think this is the place. >> > >> > >> > >> > On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 4:17 PM, Bill Pickelhaupt >> > <billpick11@gmail.com> >> > wrote: >> > >> > How do you know what I said or thought unless you had someone pose and >> > gather my emails and take it to you folks? The conscription project >> > was not going to fruitful, so I went to projects that were. >> > >> > Answer my questions. >> > >> > BP >> > >> > Sent from my HTC Inspire(tm) 4G on AT&T >> > >> > ----- Reply message ----- >> > From: "Kevin Rupp" <volgagerman@ruraltel.net> >> > To: "Bill Pickelhaupt" <billpick11@gmail.com>, >> > "ger-volga@rootsweb.com" <ger-volga@rootsweb.com> >> > Subject: [GV] Response >> > Date: Fri, Feb 21, 2014 4:04 pm >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Mr. Pickelhaupt, You were hardly on there long enough to learn >> > anything. >> > Once you found out that we were not going to totally bankroll your >> > project, >> > you ditched the board and have been bad-mouthing us ever sense. >> > >> > Mr. Pickelhaupt, I suggest that you get over it and get on with your >> > life >> > and stop boring these people with you whining. >> > >> > >> > Kevin Rupp >> > volgagerman@ruraltel.net >> > krupp@ruraltel.net >> > www.volgagerman.net >> > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: ger-volga-bounces@rootsweb.com >> > [mailto:ger-volga-bounces@rootsweb.com] >> > On Behalf Of Bill Pickelhaupt >> > Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 2:53 PM >> > To: GER-VOLGA-L >> > Subject: [GV] Response >> > >> > I served for one meeting of the board. It was obvious I could >> > accomplish >> > more outside the board than on the board, so I left. >> > >> > A bill was paid by AHSGR for translation services - Rick Rye was going >> > to >> > accompany me, but health issues prevented his travel. This was five >> > years >> > ago. I was out the cost of his airline ticket, which was not a problem. >> > It >> > was necessary to employ a translator, however, in the attempt to find >> > conscription records related to Germans from the Volga, since I can not >> > read handwritten Russian. Talk about a Faustian bargain! No records >> > were >> > found, and I moved on to other projects after my departure from the >> > board: >> > translation of VG histories of Protestant villages, research in >> > *Mittheilungen >> > und Nachrichten, *translation of Pastor Frederich Dsirne's history of >> > the >> > Volga-German colonies in Russia, etc. Those items have nothing to do >> > with >> > LDS. >> > >> > BTW, the 1850 and 1857 census data which I did find in Salt Lake City >> > was >> > given by me to Brent Mai. I understand he has translated some of these >> > census records (I am told some census records he gets are directly from >> > Russian archives), and those village census records are available for >> > purchase in the AHSGR bookstore. That is fine with me. Let's see, I >> > paid >> > for my trip from Los Angeles, where I lived at the time, to Salt Lake >> > City, >> > my hotel room and meals in Salt Lake City and gave away the fruits of >> > my >> > discovery. And AHSGR makes some money. Fine with me, because it >> > benefits a >> > large number of researchers. And I do not hold copyright on any of that >> > material. >> > >> > As I said, the annotated Kontora cases are available online. Only the >> > titles and an internal numbering system seem to have survived. >> > >> > I am not fine with my copyrighted work being stolen. As webmaster, Mr. >> > Rupp, it seems you would be in an excellent position to have posted my >> > work >> > to the AHSGR website. Is that the case? A question, not an accusation. >> > >> > There has been collection of my emails by an individual posing as >> > someone >> > disgruntled with AHSGR, gathering my words and running to the board to >> > pass >> > my emails around. Did you coordinate that effort? I would like to know >> > who >> > did coordinate that. Diane did tell me this was going on. People have >> > to >> > be >> > very insecure to worry about what I think. >> > >> > The move to give SOAR obituaries to LDS' familysearch.org website is a >> > positive move. >> > Bill Pickelhaupt >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

I totally agree..Ron > From: aweber35@sbcglobal.net > To: billpick11@gmail.com; ger-volga@rootsweb.com > Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 16:54:12 -0600 > Subject: Re: [GV] Response > > Enough said! Let's move on.......... > Ann > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Pickelhaupt" <billpick11@gmail.com> > To: <ger-volga@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 3:59 PM > Subject: Re: [GV] Response > > > > It is working its way through the system. > > > > BP > > > > Sent from my HTC Inspire(tm) 4G on AT&T > > > > ----- Reply message ----- > > From: "Kevin Rupp" <volgagerman@ruraltel.net> > > To: "Peg Goodrich" <goodrichpr@gmail.com>, "ger-volga@rootsweb.com" > > <ger-volga@rootsweb.com> > > Subject: [GV] Response > > Date: Fri, Feb 21, 2014 4:46 pm > > > > > > > > > > > > Peg, > > > > > > > > I totally agree. I just wanted people to know the other have of the story. > > > > > > > > Kevin Rupp > > > > volgagerman@ruraltel.net > > > > krupp@ruraltel.net > > > > www.volgagerman.net > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > From: Peg Goodrich [mailto:goodrichpr@gmail.com] > > Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 3:20 PM > > To: Bill Pickelhaupt > > Cc: volgagerman@ruraltel.net; ger-volga@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [GV] Response > > > > > > > > Could you both please take this argument to a different forum? I really > > don't think this is the place. > > > > > > > > On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 4:17 PM, Bill Pickelhaupt <billpick11@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > How do you know what I said or thought unless you had someone pose and > > gather my emails and take it to you folks? The conscription project > > was not going to fruitful, so I went to projects that were. > > > > Answer my questions. > > > > BP > > > > Sent from my HTC Inspire(tm) 4G on AT&T > > > > ----- Reply message ----- > > From: "Kevin Rupp" <volgagerman@ruraltel.net> > > To: "Bill Pickelhaupt" <billpick11@gmail.com>, > > "ger-volga@rootsweb.com" <ger-volga@rootsweb.com> > > Subject: [GV] Response > > Date: Fri, Feb 21, 2014 4:04 pm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mr. Pickelhaupt, You were hardly on there long enough to learn anything. > > Once you found out that we were not going to totally bankroll your > > project, > > you ditched the board and have been bad-mouthing us ever sense. > > > > Mr. Pickelhaupt, I suggest that you get over it and get on with your life > > and stop boring these people with you whining. > > > > > > Kevin Rupp > > volgagerman@ruraltel.net > > krupp@ruraltel.net > > www.volgagerman.net > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: ger-volga-bounces@rootsweb.com > > [mailto:ger-volga-bounces@rootsweb.com] > > On Behalf Of Bill Pickelhaupt > > Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 2:53 PM > > To: GER-VOLGA-L > > Subject: [GV] Response > > > > I served for one meeting of the board. It was obvious I could accomplish > > more outside the board than on the board, so I left. > > > > A bill was paid by AHSGR for translation services - Rick Rye was going to > > accompany me, but health issues prevented his travel. This was five years > > ago. I was out the cost of his airline ticket, which was not a problem. It > > was necessary to employ a translator, however, in the attempt to find > > conscription records related to Germans from the Volga, since I can not > > read handwritten Russian. Talk about a Faustian bargain! No records were > > found, and I moved on to other projects after my departure from the board: > > translation of VG histories of Protestant villages, research in > > *Mittheilungen > > und Nachrichten, *translation of Pastor Frederich Dsirne's history of the > > Volga-German colonies in Russia, etc. Those items have nothing to do with > > LDS. > > > > BTW, the 1850 and 1857 census data which I did find in Salt Lake City was > > given by me to Brent Mai. I understand he has translated some of these > > census records (I am told some census records he gets are directly from > > Russian archives), and those village census records are available for > > purchase in the AHSGR bookstore. That is fine with me. Let's see, I paid > > for my trip from Los Angeles, where I lived at the time, to Salt Lake > > City, > > my hotel room and meals in Salt Lake City and gave away the fruits of my > > discovery. And AHSGR makes some money. Fine with me, because it benefits a > > large number of researchers. And I do not hold copyright on any of that > > material. > > > > As I said, the annotated Kontora cases are available online. Only the > > titles and an internal numbering system seem to have survived. > > > > I am not fine with my copyrighted work being stolen. As webmaster, Mr. > > Rupp, it seems you would be in an excellent position to have posted my > > work > > to the AHSGR website. Is that the case? A question, not an accusation. > > > > There has been collection of my emails by an individual posing as someone > > disgruntled with AHSGR, gathering my words and running to the board to > > pass > > my emails around. Did you coordinate that effort? I would like to know who > > did coordinate that. Diane did tell me this was going on. People have to > > be > > very insecure to worry about what I think. > > > > The move to give SOAR obituaries to LDS' familysearch.org website is a > > positive move. > > Bill Pickelhaupt > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Enough said! Let's move on.......... Ann ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Pickelhaupt" <billpick11@gmail.com> To: <ger-volga@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 3:59 PM Subject: Re: [GV] Response > It is working its way through the system. > > BP > > Sent from my HTC Inspire(tm) 4G on AT&T > > ----- Reply message ----- > From: "Kevin Rupp" <volgagerman@ruraltel.net> > To: "Peg Goodrich" <goodrichpr@gmail.com>, "ger-volga@rootsweb.com" > <ger-volga@rootsweb.com> > Subject: [GV] Response > Date: Fri, Feb 21, 2014 4:46 pm > > > > > > Peg, > > > > I totally agree. I just wanted people to know the other have of the story. > > > > Kevin Rupp > > volgagerman@ruraltel.net > > krupp@ruraltel.net > > www.volgagerman.net > > > > _____ > > From: Peg Goodrich [mailto:goodrichpr@gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 3:20 PM > To: Bill Pickelhaupt > Cc: volgagerman@ruraltel.net; ger-volga@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [GV] Response > > > > Could you both please take this argument to a different forum? I really > don't think this is the place. > > > > On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 4:17 PM, Bill Pickelhaupt <billpick11@gmail.com> > wrote: > > How do you know what I said or thought unless you had someone pose and > gather my emails and take it to you folks? The conscription project > was not going to fruitful, so I went to projects that were. > > Answer my questions. > > BP > > Sent from my HTC Inspire(tm) 4G on AT&T > > ----- Reply message ----- > From: "Kevin Rupp" <volgagerman@ruraltel.net> > To: "Bill Pickelhaupt" <billpick11@gmail.com>, > "ger-volga@rootsweb.com" <ger-volga@rootsweb.com> > Subject: [GV] Response > Date: Fri, Feb 21, 2014 4:04 pm > > > > > > > Mr. Pickelhaupt, You were hardly on there long enough to learn anything. > Once you found out that we were not going to totally bankroll your > project, > you ditched the board and have been bad-mouthing us ever sense. > > Mr. Pickelhaupt, I suggest that you get over it and get on with your life > and stop boring these people with you whining. > > > Kevin Rupp > volgagerman@ruraltel.net > krupp@ruraltel.net > www.volgagerman.net > > > -----Original Message----- > From: ger-volga-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:ger-volga-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Bill Pickelhaupt > Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 2:53 PM > To: GER-VOLGA-L > Subject: [GV] Response > > I served for one meeting of the board. It was obvious I could accomplish > more outside the board than on the board, so I left. > > A bill was paid by AHSGR for translation services - Rick Rye was going to > accompany me, but health issues prevented his travel. This was five years > ago. I was out the cost of his airline ticket, which was not a problem. It > was necessary to employ a translator, however, in the attempt to find > conscription records related to Germans from the Volga, since I can not > read handwritten Russian. Talk about a Faustian bargain! No records were > found, and I moved on to other projects after my departure from the board: > translation of VG histories of Protestant villages, research in > *Mittheilungen > und Nachrichten, *translation of Pastor Frederich Dsirne's history of the > Volga-German colonies in Russia, etc. Those items have nothing to do with > LDS. > > BTW, the 1850 and 1857 census data which I did find in Salt Lake City was > given by me to Brent Mai. I understand he has translated some of these > census records (I am told some census records he gets are directly from > Russian archives), and those village census records are available for > purchase in the AHSGR bookstore. That is fine with me. Let's see, I paid > for my trip from Los Angeles, where I lived at the time, to Salt Lake > City, > my hotel room and meals in Salt Lake City and gave away the fruits of my > discovery. And AHSGR makes some money. Fine with me, because it benefits a > large number of researchers. And I do not hold copyright on any of that > material. > > As I said, the annotated Kontora cases are available online. Only the > titles and an internal numbering system seem to have survived. > > I am not fine with my copyrighted work being stolen. As webmaster, Mr. > Rupp, it seems you would be in an excellent position to have posted my > work > to the AHSGR website. Is that the case? A question, not an accusation. > > There has been collection of my emails by an individual posing as someone > disgruntled with AHSGR, gathering my words and running to the board to > pass > my emails around. Did you coordinate that effort? I would like to know who > did coordinate that. Diane did tell me this was going on. People have to > be > very insecure to worry about what I think. > > The move to give SOAR obituaries to LDS' familysearch.org website is a > positive move. > Bill Pickelhaupt > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Could you both please take this argument to a different forum? I really don't think this is the place. On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 4:17 PM, Bill Pickelhaupt <billpick11@gmail.com>wrote: > How do you know what I said or thought unless you had someone pose and > gather my emails and take it to you folks? The conscription project > was not going to fruitful, so I went to projects that were. > > Answer my questions. > > BP > > Sent from my HTC Inspire(tm) 4G on AT&T > > ----- Reply message ----- > From: "Kevin Rupp" <volgagerman@ruraltel.net> > To: "Bill Pickelhaupt" <billpick11@gmail.com>, > "ger-volga@rootsweb.com" <ger-volga@rootsweb.com> > Subject: [GV] Response > Date: Fri, Feb 21, 2014 4:04 pm > > > > > > > Mr. Pickelhaupt, You were hardly on there long enough to learn anything. > Once you found out that we were not going to totally bankroll your project, > you ditched the board and have been bad-mouthing us ever sense. > > Mr. Pickelhaupt, I suggest that you get over it and get on with your life > and stop boring these people with you whining. > > > Kevin Rupp > volgagerman@ruraltel.net > krupp@ruraltel.net > www.volgagerman.net > > > -----Original Message----- > From: ger-volga-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto: > ger-volga-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Bill Pickelhaupt > Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 2:53 PM > To: GER-VOLGA-L > Subject: [GV] Response > > I served for one meeting of the board. It was obvious I could accomplish > more outside the board than on the board, so I left. > > A bill was paid by AHSGR for translation services - Rick Rye was going to > accompany me, but health issues prevented his travel. This was five years > ago. I was out the cost of his airline ticket, which was not a problem. It > was necessary to employ a translator, however, in the attempt to find > conscription records related to Germans from the Volga, since I can not > read handwritten Russian. Talk about a Faustian bargain! No records were > found, and I moved on to other projects after my departure from the board: > translation of VG histories of Protestant villages, research in > *Mittheilungen > und Nachrichten, *translation of Pastor Frederich Dsirne's history of the > Volga-German colonies in Russia, etc. Those items have nothing to do with > LDS. > > BTW, the 1850 and 1857 census data which I did find in Salt Lake City was > given by me to Brent Mai. I understand he has translated some of these > census records (I am told some census records he gets are directly from > Russian archives), and those village census records are available for > purchase in the AHSGR bookstore. That is fine with me. Let's see, I paid > for my trip from Los Angeles, where I lived at the time, to Salt Lake City, > my hotel room and meals in Salt Lake City and gave away the fruits of my > discovery. And AHSGR makes some money. Fine with me, because it benefits a > large number of researchers. And I do not hold copyright on any of that > material. > > As I said, the annotated Kontora cases are available online. Only the > titles and an internal numbering system seem to have survived. > > I am not fine with my copyrighted work being stolen. As webmaster, Mr. > Rupp, it seems you would be in an excellent position to have posted my work > to the AHSGR website. Is that the case? A question, not an accusation. > > There has been collection of my emails by an individual posing as someone > disgruntled with AHSGR, gathering my words and running to the board to pass > my emails around. Did you coordinate that effort? I would like to know who > did coordinate that. Diane did tell me this was going on. People have to be > very insecure to worry about what I think. > > The move to give SOAR obituaries to LDS' familysearch.org website is a > positive move. > Bill Pickelhaupt > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I served for one meeting of the board. It was obvious I could accomplish more outside the board than on the board, so I left. A bill was paid by AHSGR for translation services - Rick Rye was going to accompany me, but health issues prevented his travel. This was five years ago. I was out the cost of his airline ticket, which was not a problem. It was necessary to employ a translator, however, in the attempt to find conscription records related to Germans from the Volga, since I can not read handwritten Russian. Talk about a Faustian bargain! No records were found, and I moved on to other projects after my departure from the board: translation of VG histories of Protestant villages, research in *Mittheilungen und Nachrichten, *translation of Pastor Frederich Dsirne's history of the Volga-German colonies in Russia, etc. Those items have nothing to do with LDS. BTW, the 1850 and 1857 census data which I did find in Salt Lake City was given by me to Brent Mai. I understand he has translated some of these census records (I am told some census records he gets are directly from Russian archives), and those village census records are available for purchase in the AHSGR bookstore. That is fine with me. Let's see, I paid for my trip from Los Angeles, where I lived at the time, to Salt Lake City, my hotel room and meals in Salt Lake City and gave away the fruits of my discovery. And AHSGR makes some money. Fine with me, because it benefits a large number of researchers. And I do not hold copyright on any of that material. As I said, the annotated Kontora cases are available online. Only the titles and an internal numbering system seem to have survived. I am not fine with my copyrighted work being stolen. As webmaster, Mr. Rupp, it seems you would be in an excellent position to have posted my work to the AHSGR website. Is that the case? A question, not an accusation. There has been collection of my emails by an individual posing as someone disgruntled with AHSGR, gathering my words and running to the board to pass my emails around. Did you coordinate that effort? I would like to know who did coordinate that. Diane did tell me this was going on. People have to be very insecure to worry about what I think. The move to give SOAR obituaries to LDS' familysearch.org website is a positive move. Bill Pickelhaupt

Peg, I totally agree. I just wanted people to know the other have of the story. Kevin Rupp volgagerman@ruraltel.net krupp@ruraltel.net www.volgagerman.net _____ From: Peg Goodrich [mailto:goodrichpr@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 3:20 PM To: Bill Pickelhaupt Cc: volgagerman@ruraltel.net; ger-volga@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GV] Response Could you both please take this argument to a different forum? I really don't think this is the place. On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 4:17 PM, Bill Pickelhaupt <billpick11@gmail.com> wrote: How do you know what I said or thought unless you had someone pose and gather my emails and take it to you folks? The conscription project was not going to fruitful, so I went to projects that were. Answer my questions. BP Sent from my HTC Inspire(tm) 4G on AT&T ----- Reply message ----- From: "Kevin Rupp" <volgagerman@ruraltel.net> To: "Bill Pickelhaupt" <billpick11@gmail.com>, "ger-volga@rootsweb.com" <ger-volga@rootsweb.com> Subject: [GV] Response Date: Fri, Feb 21, 2014 4:04 pm Mr. Pickelhaupt, You were hardly on there long enough to learn anything. Once you found out that we were not going to totally bankroll your project, you ditched the board and have been bad-mouthing us ever sense. Mr. Pickelhaupt, I suggest that you get over it and get on with your life and stop boring these people with you whining. Kevin Rupp volgagerman@ruraltel.net krupp@ruraltel.net www.volgagerman.net -----Original Message----- From: ger-volga-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ger-volga-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Bill Pickelhaupt Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 2:53 PM To: GER-VOLGA-L Subject: [GV] Response I served for one meeting of the board. It was obvious I could accomplish more outside the board than on the board, so I left. A bill was paid by AHSGR for translation services - Rick Rye was going to accompany me, but health issues prevented his travel. This was five years ago. I was out the cost of his airline ticket, which was not a problem. It was necessary to employ a translator, however, in the attempt to find conscription records related to Germans from the Volga, since I can not read handwritten Russian. Talk about a Faustian bargain! No records were found, and I moved on to other projects after my departure from the board: translation of VG histories of Protestant villages, research in *Mittheilungen und Nachrichten, *translation of Pastor Frederich Dsirne's history of the Volga-German colonies in Russia, etc. Those items have nothing to do with LDS. BTW, the 1850 and 1857 census data which I did find in Salt Lake City was given by me to Brent Mai. I understand he has translated some of these census records (I am told some census records he gets are directly from Russian archives), and those village census records are available for purchase in the AHSGR bookstore. That is fine with me. Let's see, I paid for my trip from Los Angeles, where I lived at the time, to Salt Lake City, my hotel room and meals in Salt Lake City and gave away the fruits of my discovery. And AHSGR makes some money. Fine with me, because it benefits a large number of researchers. And I do not hold copyright on any of that material. As I said, the annotated Kontora cases are available online. Only the titles and an internal numbering system seem to have survived. I am not fine with my copyrighted work being stolen. As webmaster, Mr. Rupp, it seems you would be in an excellent position to have posted my work to the AHSGR website. Is that the case? A question, not an accusation. There has been collection of my emails by an individual posing as someone disgruntled with AHSGR, gathering my words and running to the board to pass my emails around. Did you coordinate that effort? I would like to know who did coordinate that. Diane did tell me this was going on. People have to be very insecure to worry about what I think. The move to give SOAR obituaries to LDS' familysearch.org website is a positive move. Bill Pickelhaupt ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Bill Pickelhaupt <billpick11@gmail.com> Date: Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 3:13 PM Subject: Re: [GV] GER-VOLGA Digest, Vol 9, Issue 37 To: Kevin Rupp <krupp@ruraltel.net> I served for one meeting of the board. It was obvious I could accomplish more outside the board than on the board, so I left. A bill was paid by AHSGR for translation services - Rick Rye was going to accompany me, but health issues prevented his travel. This was five years ago. I was out the cost of his airline ticket, which was not a problem. It was necessary to employ a translator, however, in the attempt to find conscription records related to Germans from the Volga, since I can not read handwritten Russian. Talk about a Faustian bargain! No records were found, and I moved on to other projects after my departure from the board: translation of VG histories of Protestant villages, research in *Mittheilungen und Nachrichten, *translation of Pastor Frederich Dsirne's history of the Volga-German colonies in Russia, etc. Those items have nothing to do with LDS. BTW, the 1850 and 1857 census data which I did find in Salt Lake City was given by me to Brent Mai. I understand he has translated some of these census records (I am told some census records he gets are directly from Russian archives), and those village census records are available for purchase in the AHSGR bookstore. That is fine with me. Let's see, I paid for my trip from Los Angeles, where I lived at the time, to Salt Lake City, my hotel room and meals in Salt Lake City and gave away the fruits of my discovery. And AHSGR makes some money. Fine with me, because it benefits a large number of researchers. And I do not hold copyright on any of that material. As I said, the annotated Kontora cases are available online. Only the titles and an internal numbering system seem to have survived. I am not fine with my copyrighted work being stolen. As webmaster, Mr. Rupp, it seems you would be in an excellent position to have posted my work to the AHSGR website. Is that the case? A question, not an accusation. There has been collection of my emails by an individual posing as someone disgruntled with AHSGR, gathering my words and running to the board to pass my emails around. Did you coordinate that effort? I would like to know who did coordinate that. Diane did tell me this was going on. People have to be very insecure to worry about what I think. The move to give SOAR obituaries to LDS' familysearch.org website is a positive move. Bill Pickelhaupt On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 10:24 AM, Kevin Rupp <krupp@ruraltel.net> wrote: > Once again Mr. Pickelhaupt distorts the facts about the Society. The > only dispute to his comments about the Kontora Lost Case Files is > that Mr. Pickelhaupt got all his facts wrong in order to continue his > drumbeat against AHSGR. Mr. Pickelhaupt also goes on to say that > this board member, which is myself, "launched into a personal attack > against him". He fails to mention his personal attacks on myself and > the Society. If anyone would like to know more about the facts on > the Annotated List you may contact me at my email, krupp@ruraltel.net > and I am happy to share with you what is current and correct. Mr. > Pickelhaupt also seems to forget how AHSGR funded a part of his > project to Utah for searching out the LDS Microfilms to prepare a > list of what is available. Once he didn't find what HE wanted he > left the board, only serving for barely two board meetings. > > > > Kevin Rupp > krupp@ruraltel.net > www.ahsgr.org > www.volgagerman.net > www.sunfowerchapterofahsgr.net > > > > > On Feb 21, 2014, at 2:00 AM, ger-volga-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Obit, Edna Wilmetta Foos (Henry Schmick) > > 2. Kontora lost cases (Bill Pickelhaupt) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 08:57:57 -0700 > > From: "Henry Schmick" <hschmick@bresnan.net> > > Subject: [GV] Obit, Edna Wilmetta Foos > > To: "Ger-Volga List, " <GER-VOLGA-L@rootsweb.com>, "GR-GENEALOGY, " > > <GR-GENEALOGY@LISTSERV.NODAK.EDU> > > Message-ID: <web-3756819@be-5.cluster1.bresnan.net> > > Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1; format="flowed" > > > > > > > > > > Foos, Edna Wilmetta, Sept. 14, 1925-Jan. 20, 2014 > > > > The Tribune > > Greeley, Colorado > > 20 Feb 2014 > > > > Age: 89 > > > > Residence: Dallas, Texas, formerly of Denver > > > > Edna Wilmetta Foos, 89, of Dallas, Texas, passed away on Monday, > > Jan. 20, > > 2014, in Dallas. She was born on Sept. 14, 1925, in Windsor, to > > George and > > Marie Schnell. > > Wilmetta graduated from Windsor High School. On Sept. 4, 1946, she > > married > > Victor Foos of Windsor. They lived in Denver until her husband > > retired. They > > then traveled full time in their RV. Victor passed away on June 1, > > 1987. > > Wilmetta is survived by her two daughters, Cindy (Gary) Thomason of > > Dallas, > > and Vickie Monroe of Centennial; three sisters, Isabell Lancaster > > and Nadine > > Hunter of Greeley, and Mildred (Robert) Thomas of Lakewood; and > > sister-in-law, > > Ann Schnell of Broomfield; five grandchildren; and 10 great- > > grandchildren. > > She was preceded in death by her parents; husband; brother, Marvin > > Schnell of > > Broomfield; and sister, Doris Stroman of Greeley. > > A memorial service will be held at 11:15 p.m. Monday, Feb. 24, > > 2014, at the > > Fort Logan Cemetery in Denver. > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 10:08:54 -0800 > > From: Bill Pickelhaupt <billpick11@gmail.com> > > Subject: [GV] Kontora lost cases > > To: "GER-VOLGA-L@rootsweb.com" <GER-VOLGA-L@rootsweb.com> > > Message-ID: <868172743964601220@unknownmsgid> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > > > It appears there is some dispute as to the facts in the situation > > of the > > aborted publication of the lost Kontora cases in English. A board > > member > > contacted me to say what I stated was not right, but then launched > > into a > > nasty personal attack on me. Subsequent information disclosed there > > may > > well be coordinated action against me, but this goes into the legal > > realm. > > > > Bottomline on the Kontora cases, there is a dispute on the facts of > > the > > English publication, and I may not have had all the facts. But the > > Russian > > volumes are available online, as pointed out about a month ago. > > > > Bill Pickelhaupt > > > > Sent from my HTC Inspire(tm) 4G on AT&T > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > To contact the GER-VOLGA list administrator, send an email to > > GER-VOLGA-admin@rootsweb.com. > > > > To post a message to the GER-VOLGA mailing list, send an email to > > GER-VOLGA@rootsweb.com. > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GER-VOLGA- > > request@rootsweb.com > > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and > > the body of the > > email with no additional text. > > > > > > End of GER-VOLGA Digest, Vol 9, Issue 37 > > **************************************** > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >