Hi, Mark: I beg your pardon. I did not understand something about your search: Your interest is about the departures from Germany or the passengers arrivals to Buenos Aires? I can send you some information of this last port.- Gerardo Waimann Buenos Aires - Argentina --- Mark <mytree@sbcglobal.net> escribió: > Listers, > > Does anyone know if there are ship records that > exist for those that sailed from ports in Germany to > Buenos Aires, South America or where they might be > found? > > My GG Grandfather Johann Adam Dorn, his wife > Katherine and a son Jacob Dorn along with his wife > Katherine (Melcher) and several children all left > Germany and sailed to South America where Johann > Adam's wife Katherine died. Shortly after she died > they sailed from Buenos Aires to New York to embark > on a new life. Through my research I was able to > find their ship record from Buenos Aires to New York > but would like to find the first part of their > journey if possible. > > Thanks, Mark __________________________________________________ Preguntá. Respondé. Descubrí. Todo lo que querías saber, y lo que ni imaginabas, está en Yahoo! Respuestas (Beta). ¡Probalo ya! http://www.yahoo.com.ar/respuestas

DEINES, MELVIN WILLIAM 1924-2007. Milwaukie resident Mel Deines passed away Thursday, January 11, at his home at the age of 82. Mel was born in Portland to Conrad and Pauline Deines in 1924. A 1942 graduate of Grant High School, he served in the Army during World War II. Upon returning from the service he went to work with his father in the family garbage hauling business. Mel married Louise Stallard in 1949. He was a devoted husband, father and grandfather. He is survived by his wife, his daughter Kay, son Tim, daughter-in-law Debra and three grandchildren, Brian, Jeffrey and Christopher. In 1968 Mel started his business, Mel Deines Sanitary Service. He was a member of the Milwaukie Kiwanis Club and the Clackamas County Refuse Recycling Association where he was secretary for 12 years. He belonged to the Portland Rifle Club, the Johnson Creek Gun Club and the NRA. An avid fisherman and hunter, he enjoyed many hours trolling the Willamette for spring salmon. Upon retirement, M el and Louise traveled the West in their motorhome, wintering in the remote desert, hiking and exploring. A wonderful man, Mel was respected and loved by an extended family and many friends. Rest well, our love, after such a long illness. There will be no service, at his request. Arrangements by Stehn Family chapels Milwaukie Tribute Center. Published in The Oregonian on 1/18/2007. <http://obits.oregonlive.com/Oregon/DeathNotices.asp?Page=SEARCHRESULTS>

Thank you very much to all of the people who sent me responses about my Declarations of Intention / Naturalization comment/question. You confirmed that I have not been wasting my time by looking at individual local/county/state indexes to find naturalization documents. I do actually have naturalization documents for 4 different ancestors that I had to get from 4 different archives. The first one was for a great-grandfather, which I ordered from the Colorado State archives after getting the document number from someone on this list; the second was for a great-grandfather's second wife, which I got from AHSGR-Fresno; the third was for a great-grandfather which I got from the Michigan State Archives after finding it in a county index; the fourth I actually did find on Ancestry, because they have an index of Detroit Michigan Federal Court Naturalizations. That last one I had to order twice because NARA-Great Lakes claimed that they didn't have it. By the way, has anyone ever received a set of Naturalization documents that had the Certificate of Arrival attached? The forms refer to an attached certificate of arrival, but none of the copies I have received have included a Certificate of Arrival. I wonder of there is a separate place where those are filed away?

Mark Do you have access to Ancestry.com? They have just recently added ship records to there collection. If not I would be glad to do a search for you. Sheila ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark <mytree@sbcglobal.net> Date: Thursday, January 18, 2007 7:42 Subject: [GER-VOLGA] South America Ship Records To: GER-VOLGA-L@rootsweb.com, RUS-SARATOV-FRANK-L@rootsweb.com > Listers, > > Does anyone know if there are ship records that exist for > those that sailed from ports in Germany to Buenos Aires, South > America or where they might be found? > > My GG Grandfather Johann Adam Dorn, his wife Katherine > and a son Jacob Dorn along with his wife Katherine (Melcher) and > several children all left Germany and sailed to South America > where Johann Adam's wife Katherine died. Shortly after she > died they sailed from Buenos Aires to New York to embark on a > new life. Through my research I was able to find their > ship record from Buenos Aires to New York but would like to find > the first part of their journey if possible. > > Thanks, Mark > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GER-VOLGA- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Marion J. Baumann, 82, of 1533 Florida Avenue, died Friday morning, January 12, 2007 at St. Nicholas Hospital. Marion was born April 21, 1924 in Sheboygan to Henry and Emily (Kraus) Weber. She attended Ebenezer Lutheran Grade School and was a graduate of Sheboygan Central High School, Class of 1942. On October 28, 1961 Marion and Herbert C. Baumann were united in marriage at St. Ann Parish in Francis Creek, WI. For over forty-one years Marion was employed as a secretary for the Sheboygan County Highway Department, retiring in 1985. Marion was a faithful member of Our Savior's Lutheran Church. In addition to her husband, Marion is survived by a brother, Arthur (Marion) Weber; a sister Dorothy Wagner, all of Sheboygan; and many nieces and nephews. She was preceded in death by a brother, Alvin Weber and a sister, Lillian Grohskopf. Private family services were held for Marion. Rev. Marcus H. Powers, Pastor of Our Savior's Lutheran Church was the officiant. Entombment has taken place at Holy Cross Mausoleum. Email condolences to support@ballhornchapels.com The Sheboygan Press January 18, 2007 <http://www.sheboygan-press.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070118/SHE010301/701180553/1067>

Hi Kay, I'm not sure if it's relevant as it's 10 years later, but my great-grandfather came to the US from Hussenbach in 1907. In recorded tapes, great-grandpa says that they traveled from Hussenbach to Saratov to get papers and their passports. From there, they took a train to Bremen, Germany where they waited for 10 days for their boat. They actually traveled from Bremen directly to Baltimore, MD. I don't think it was uncommon for relatives or others in the community to help pay for tickets over. I know that on my dad's side of the family, a church congregation helped raise money to bring some of the family members over. Hope that helps a bit. Sandy Elvington ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 19:36:25 -0800 (PST) From: Kay Boynton <kayfab@sbcglobal.net> Subject: [GER-VOLGA] Fwd: Travel from Volga To: ger-volga@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <723672.40520.qm@web80702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Kay Boynton <kayfab@sbcglobal.net> wrote: Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 15:35:56 -0800 (PST) From: Kay Boynton <kayfab@sbcglobal.net> Subject: Travel from Volga To: German-Volga website <ger-vol-l@rootsweb.com> Can anyone tell me how Volga Germans made their way from Saratov area to Hamburg, Bremen or Libau for departure to America in Nov., 1899? >From those departure cities, I assume, they got on ships to Great Britain and on to America. Would that have been 2 different ships? All these questions relate to my grandparents' journey to America and no details. I haven't been able to discover their actual ship manifest, port city etc. I have the time frame pinned down to a 3 month period by certain Clues. They would have been traveling from Beideck, with a baby, to Newark, NJ. We heard that a former Beidecker paid their way and they lived there and Grandfather worked for them. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Billings Gazette Billings, MT 18 Jan 2007 LAUREL - Rosetta Kay Deines (Hauf), was born in Billings, November 23, 1942 to Harry and Rose Deines. She passed away Jan. 15, 2007, at St. Vincent Healthcare. Rosetta grew up in Laurel and attended schools there and graduated from Laurel High School in 1961. She was employed at several businesses in Billings, retiring due to ill health. Rosetta had a close friend, Rita Schraeder, who was always there for her. Rosetta is survived by her son, Doug Hauf of Sheridan, Wyo.; her mother, Rose Deines of Laurel; a sister, Donna Leuthold of Billings, nephews, Jeff (Ingeri) Leuthold and Rick (Cindy) Leuthold and their children; Rosetta's godmother and husband, Irene and Norm Shorb. Rosetta was preceded in death by her father, Harry, and several aunts and uncles. Memorial services will be held at 2 p.m. Monday, Jan. 22, at Smith Funeral Chapel-Laurel. Inurnment will be in the Laurel Cemetery. Memorials are suggested to: Dialysis, 2411 Village Lane, Billings, MT 59102, or charity of one's choice.

Listers, Does anyone know if there are ship records that exist for those that sailed from ports in Germany to Buenos Aires, South America or where they might be found? My GG Grandfather Johann Adam Dorn, his wife Katherine and a son Jacob Dorn along with his wife Katherine (Melcher) and several children all left Germany and sailed to South America where Johann Adam's wife Katherine died. Shortly after she died they sailed from Buenos Aires to New York to embark on a new life. Through my research I was able to find their ship record from Buenos Aires to New York but would like to find the first part of their journey if possible. Thanks, Mark

Fort Morgan Times Fort Morgan, Colorado 01-17-2007 Elsie E. Bever, 81 Denver woman worked for Western Union 35 years Tuesday, January 16, 2007 6:50 PM MST Print this story - Email this story Elsie Eileen Bever, 81, a lifelong resident of Denver, died Thursday at her home in Windsor Gardens. Mrs. Bever was born Dec. 28, 1925, to Henry and Marie Baumgartner Kammerzell. She married Carl Earl Bever Nov. 21, 1946, in Denver. She worked for Western Union Telegraph Co. for 35 years, retiring in 1985. Survivors include her children, Robert Bever of Brush and Kenneth Bever of Peoria, Ariz.; three brothers, Neil Kammerzell of Libbey, Mont., Irvin Kammerzell of Newport News, Va., and Herman Kammerzell of Harbor Beach, Calif.; four sisters, Dorothy Gimer of Denver, Doris Gimer of Commerce City, Esther Crawford of New Mexico and Donna Conrad of Weaverville, Calif.; three grandsons and four great-grandsons. She was preceded in death by her husband, Carl; three brothers, Alvin Kammerzell, Eddie Kammerzell and Leonard Kammerzell, and her parents. Visitation was to be held today from 3 to 8 p.m. and Wednesday at 11 a.m. at Highland Mortuary, 104th and I-25 in Thornton. Funeral services will be held Wednesday at 11 a.m. at the mortuary. Friends may send memorial gifts to the American Heart Association. ---

Greeley Tribune Greeley, Colorado 01-17-2007 Sarah Lapp Sept. 19, 1945-Jan. 14, 2007 Age: 61 Residence: Barnesville Tribute: Sarah Elizabeth Lapp was born in Greeley to James and Elizabeth (Underwood) Hess. She went to grade school in Barnesville and graduated from Greeley High School in 1963. On Feb. 26, 1966, she married Jack Lapp at Galeton Community Church, where she was a Sunday school teacher for many years. Mrs. Lapp was first introduced to Jesus by her Grandma Underwood, and when she turned 16, Mrs. Lapp took her grandma, brothers and sisters to church. She loved working with her husband on the family farm and enjoyed the animals most. She also loved taking care of others and worked as a caregiver for many years. Mrs. Lapp had many hobbies and enjoyed every minute that she was able to spend with her family. She liked to play jokes right up to the very end. She always thought of others first. Mrs. Lapp died Sunday at the Hospice and Palliative Care of Northern Colorado inpatient unit in Greeley. Survivors: Her husband, Jack Lapp; a daughter, Christine Rogers, and a son, Rhiney Lapp, and three grandchildren, Wyatt and Marie Rogers and Ben Lapp, all of Barnesville. Also surviving are two sisters, Janet Painter and Edna Connors, both of Nebraska; a brother, John Hess of Greeley; and numerous nieces and nephews. Preceded in death by: Her parents, a sister Ruth Reed and a brother Jimmy Hess. Services: 10 a.m. Friday at the Allnutt Funeral Service Macy Chapel. Interment: Sunset Memorial Gardens, Greeley. Visitation: 4-6 p.m. Thursday at the Macy Chapel. Notes: Memorial gifts may be made to Hospice and Palliative Care of Northern Colorado in care of Allnutt, 702 13th St., Greeley, CO 80631. Go to www.allnutt.com to read an online obituary, sign the family guestbook and send condolences.

Regarding Kenny's comment about letters of intention on Ancestry.com - I'm relatively new to genealogy research, but as far as I know there is no comprehensive index of declarations of intention on Ancestry.com or anywhere else. There are a few naturalization indexes on Ancestry.com, for a few specific geographic areas. I'd be thrilled if someone would post back and tell me that I am wrong about this, because it's a real pain to search around and hope that you get lucky and find your ancestor's naturalization papers in an obscure index somewhere. Maggie Hein -----Original Message----- >From: Kenny Stugart <iamken11@att.net> >Sent: Jan 16, 2007 6:48 PM >To: German Roots <GER-VOLGA-L@rootsweb.com> >Subject: [GER-VOLGA] (no subject) > > >Kay >When you do a search make sure you use a multitude of different spellings, >combinations you would not think of. >Also I think letters of intentions are on Ancestry.com but not sure. > >Kenny > >Thanks Kenny. I do have Ancestry (Deluxe Edition) and have been searching >like crazy. I have my grandfather's Russian military papers with dates they >were given permission to leave, but no passport, ship manifests, or >naturalization papers to tell me when, where they left from or going to >which port. They went to Newark, NJ, so I'm assuming it was NY. >-----Original Message----- >From: Kenny Stugart [mailto:iamken11@att.net] >Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 8:47 PM >To: Kay Boynton >Subject: RE: [GER-VOLGA] Fwd: Travel from Volga > > >Kay >They most likely went by train to Libau, ship to Hull England or Bremen >Germany then to Liverpool England where they would have boarded another ship >to the US. >To bad you didn't ask in Nivember as Ancestry.com had a free month, they >have all the ships records, it might be worth your effort to do a search for >them as they have 14 days free if you sign up. >Just about all of my rels went thru Libau then thru England, of course I was >lucky I have the Russian passports and that tells me where they left from. > >Kenny Stugart Yagodnaya Polyana--Pobochnaya > >-----Original Message----- >From: ger-volga-bounces@rootsweb.com >[mailto:ger-volga-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Kay Boynton >Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 7:36 PM >To: ger-volga@rootsweb.com >Subject: [GER-VOLGA] Fwd: Travel from Volga > > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Scottsbluff Star Hearld Scottsbluff, NE 17 Jan 2007 Arlie D. Schenbeck, 73, of Scottsbluff, died Tuesday, Jan. 9, 2007, at his home. A funeral service will be held 10 a.m., Friday, Jan. 19, 2007, at Northfield Assembly of God Church in Gering with Pastor Lyn Reimers officiating. Interment will be in Sunset Memorial Park in Scottsbluff with military honors provided by the Nebraska National Guard. Friends may visit at Dugan-Kramer Funeral Chapel in Scottsbluff from 9 a.m. to 7 p.m., Thursday. Memorials have been established to Prairie Haven Hospice, Northfield Assembly of God Church and Bridgeport Assembly of God Church. Tributes of sympathy may be left at www.dugankramer.com. A memorial service will be held at a future date in Aiea, Hawaii at Bethany Assembly of God Church. Arlie was born July 8, 1933, at Gering, Neb., to Alva and Pearl (Hungerford) Schenbeck. He served in the United States Navy from June 1951 to May of 1958 serving two enlistments. He married Lorraine Yoshiko Kauo, March 6, 1954 in Honolulu. He was an Air Traffic Controller in Hawaii from 1958 until 1985 when he went into the ministry. He was a servant of the Lord, serving churches in Honolulu, Oahu, Northfield Assembly of God and Bridgeport Assembly of God. Arlie was united in marriage to Pauline Sheets July 13, 2000, in Scottsbluff. He is survived by his wife Pauline; daughters and sons-in-law: Audrey (Robert) Strapple, Loretta (Frank) Trigilio, Esther (Henry) Schenbeck-Chang, Anna Elizabeth (Kose) Godinet and Arliene Moe all of Hawaii; stepdaughter: Charlsie (Larry) Walker, Phoenix, Ariz.; stepson: Marshall (Peggy) Sheets of Scottsbluff; 14 Grandchildren; four step grandchildren; 10 great grandchildren and three step great grandchildren; brothers: Homer (Shirley) Schenbeck, Denver, Colo., and Kent Schenbeck of Colorado Springs, Colo.; sisters: Norma (Max) Harmon, Hamilton, Mont., and Marlene (Erv) Reifschneider, Aurora, Colo., Judi (Dale) Harding, Billings, Mo.; brothers-in-law: Emmett (Gail) Marshall, Milton, Wash., and Bill Robinson, Gering; sister-in-law: Blanche Schenbeck, Gering. He was preceded in death by his first wife, Lorraine, parents, two infant children and a brother Lane Schenbeck.

I just thought I would let Vera and listmembers know that after much research and most interesting research, I spoke with members of the Dreith family her in CA who are related to Tatiana and will be in contact with her via email. For all of you who have helped Michael and I in his GV research, this is our little way of paying back for all your kindnesses. Elaine

Kay When you do a search make sure you use a multitude of different spellings, combinations you would not think of. Also I think letters of intentions are on Ancestry.com but not sure. Kenny Thanks Kenny. I do have Ancestry (Deluxe Edition) and have been searching like crazy. I have my grandfather's Russian military papers with dates they were given permission to leave, but no passport, ship manifests, or naturalization papers to tell me when, where they left from or going to which port. They went to Newark, NJ, so I'm assuming it was NY. -----Original Message----- From: Kenny Stugart [mailto:iamken11@att.net] Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 8:47 PM To: Kay Boynton Subject: RE: [GER-VOLGA] Fwd: Travel from Volga Kay They most likely went by train to Libau, ship to Hull England or Bremen Germany then to Liverpool England where they would have boarded another ship to the US. To bad you didn't ask in Nivember as Ancestry.com had a free month, they have all the ships records, it might be worth your effort to do a search for them as they have 14 days free if you sign up. Just about all of my rels went thru Libau then thru England, of course I was lucky I have the Russian passports and that tells me where they left from. Kenny Stugart Yagodnaya Polyana--Pobochnaya -----Original Message----- From: ger-volga-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ger-volga-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Kay Boynton Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 7:36 PM To: ger-volga@rootsweb.com Subject: [GER-VOLGA] Fwd: Travel from Volga

Kay Boynton <kayfab@sbcglobal.net> wrote: Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 15:35:56 -0800 (PST) From: Kay Boynton <kayfab@sbcglobal.net> Subject: Travel from Volga To: German-Volga website <ger-vol-l@rootsweb.com> Can anyone tell me how Volga Germans made their way from Saratov area to Hamburg, Bremen or Libau for departure to America in Nov., 1899? From those departure cities, I assume, they got on ships to Great Britain and on to America. Would that have been 2 different ships? All these questions relate to my grandparents' journey to America and no details. I haven't been able to discover their actual ship manifest, port city etc. I have the time frame pinned down to a 3 month period by certain Clues. They would have been traveling from Beideck, with a baby, to Newark, NJ. We heard that a former Beidecker paid their way and they lived there and Grandfather worked for them.

I think this might be one of the Hopp family that comes from the village of Kraft. I believe Don Schimpf has the most knowledge of this line. --- ger-volga-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: GER-VOLGA Digest, Vol 2, Issue 16 > (EVANSDFE@aol.com) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 18:07:54 EST > From: EVANSDFE@aol.com > Subject: Re: [GER-VOLGA] GER-VOLGA Digest, Vol 2, > Issue 16 > To: ger-volga@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <bfd.cf511df.32dac04a@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Thank-you. I was able to match the Meininger part > in my files, but not able > to match the Hopp info. --Doris > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the GER-VOLGA list administrator, send an > email to > GER-VOLGA-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the GER-VOLGA mailing list, > send an email to GER-VOLGA@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of GER-VOLGA Digest, Vol 2, Issue 17 > **************************************** >

REISBICK, EMANUEL G. Died Jan. 8, 2007 at age 95. Preceded in death by wife of 67 years, Anna Miller Reisbick, and by nine siblings. Survived by children Fredric Reisbick (Mary Lou), John Noel Reisbick (Jean), and Lissbeth La Prad (Paul); grandchildren Kelli Guericke, Kristin Petron, Daniel Reisbick, Thomas Reisbick; and step-grandchildren Amy Hernandez and David LaPrad. Also survived by great grandchildren LeAndra and Alexander Guericke, Kylie and Bryn Petron, and numerous nieces and nephews. Emanuel retired as executive V.P. of a surgical supply company. He was a 60-year member of Montview Presbyterian Church, a Past Master of Oriental Lodge No. 87, a devoted husband and father, man of integrity, and truly generous gentleman. Visitation will be Tues., Jan. 16, 4-7 PM at Olinger Hampden, 8600 E. Hampden Ave. Memorial Service at 2:30 PM, Wed., Jan.17 at Montview Presbyterian Church, 1980 Dahlia St. Published in the Denver Newspaper Agency from 1/14/2007 - 1/15/2007.

Who can help me identify members of a Schnell family from Neu Norka Russia? The picture was taken in Russia and is a group family picture. I can identify two of the people but not the rest of the group. Thank you for your help.

Some were born in Kazakhstan, and could well be from the Volga, some are GRs from other provinces. Wikipedia has whole lists of top Russian politicians and business, from where you can pick out your own GRs by checking the entries. Just some examples below, some have/had (cabinet) ministerial posts: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Gref (Herman Graf) Education and early career Gref was born in the Kazakh Soviet Socialist Republic (now Kazakhstan), the son of ethnic German deportees who were exiled there in 1941. He attended Omsk State University as a law student from 1985-1990 after fulfilling his two year military obligation. Gref taught law at Leningrad University while completing his post-graduate degree, which he finished in 1993. In addition to his teaching position at Leningrad University and his studies, Gref worked for the City of Saint Petersburg in various capacities, such as legal adviser (a position he had also held when in Kazakhstan), and other jobs, most dealing with property and real estate. etc ------------------------ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Kokh (Alfred Koch) Alfred Reyngoldovich Kokh (Koch) (Russian: áÌØÆÒÅÄ òÅÊÎÇÏÌØÄÏ×ÉÞ ëÏÈ, born February 28, 1961, in Zyryanovsk, Kazakhstan, USSR) is a Russian politician and businessman of German origin. On September 12, 1996, he was appointed Chairman of the State Property Committee of Russia. On August 13, 1997 he left the position after giving preferences to some participants of the auction for privatization of Svyazinvest.[1] In June 2000 - October 2001 he was the Director General of Gazprom Media, a subsidiary media holding of Gazprom (now a subsidiary holding of Gazprombank), succeeded by Boris Jordan. etc. ----------------- Try Wikipedia or google to look up GR politicians/businessmen, e.g. Alexei Miller http://www.gazprom.ru/eng/articles/article8603.shtml ---------------------- Eduard Rossel Governor of Sverdlovsk Region http://www.mvdv.ru/vip/3.htm ------------- Minister of transport of the Russian Federation: Sergey Frank ----------------

Hi, I am trying to get ahold of Horst Gutsche, I have an old email address and would like to have his new one. Any help would be appreciated Thank you Bob Weigand