I think a lot of times we take a romantic view of how long the past generation lived. In truth, we're just remembering the tough ones. When I look through my research I certainly find relatives who lived into their 80's and 90's - but I find far more who passed away in their 40's and 50's. Often it is Grandpa's 2nd wife we remember, as he may have lost the first in childbirth. Just living to adulthood was quite a feat for those early immigrants. Diet's prior to 1940 were superior in that people ate fresh and close to home. E-coli was not an issue because mom cooked the sausage at home in a kitchen she scrubbed daily instead of picking it up at the fast-food place on the way home from work. Vegetables were from your own garden and canned in your own kitchen (still scrubbed daily). Even people who lived in town were more active, so obesity and cholesterol weren't as big of factors. After the war, even though our food sources changed, the advances in medicine really started to increase life expectancy. While women did not have as many children - more of them lived to adulthood. Women didn't die in childbirth as often. Diseases like TB were no longer death sentences. My own g-grandmother lived to be 88, but she buried her first husband at 42, 3 children before they were 10, and another two before they were 50. My parents only lived to be 65 and 78, but lost no children and we're all three of us are nearly or over 50. On average, we'll probably live much longer than that first generation. Sorry to ramble on so - but I find this interesting. Allan Allan R. Lenhardt 240 East Drive Baton Rouge, LA 70806 (225) 344-1424 (225) 223-3121 (cell) Life is God's novel. Let him write it. Isaac Beshevis Singer in Voices for Life (1975) -----Original Message----- From: ger-volga-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ger-volga-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of chuber Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 10:48 AM To: ger-volga@rootsweb.com Subject: [GV] Foods - Old Age & good health A fine day to all! I wonder if all those home-made foods contributed to good health in the Volga German communities. Some home-made foods I grew up with: head cheese, pig's feet, sausage, runzas, cabbage rolls, canned suckers, pickled herring, dill pickles, sauerkraut, egg noodles, etc. My dad learned to make these from his parents, both of whom grew up in Bangert, near the Volga. The sauerkraut crock was used each year in the cellar until Kivimaki the plumber fell into it while working on pipes. If he wrung his clothes out when he got home, there would have been a lot of cleansing sauerkraut juice. (juice by the way is sold at stores in the Minneapolis-St. Paul area) The canned suckers, caught with nets in cold water creeks, looked and tasted like Pacific Salmon. Mind you, growing up in the wilds and waters of Northwestern Ontario, one lived on a regular healthy diet of ducks, venison (deer) moose, partridge (ruffed grouse) prairie chicken, rabbit, and fresh water fish such as walleye (pickerel) bass, perch, and northerns (jackfish). No nasty chemicals in those foods. As for being thirsty....just stick your hand into a fast moving creek, or right into a lake of the Rainy Lake chain. Not today, of course. the best to all, Cliff Huber Kakabeka Falls ON Canada ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I knew some home spoken German from my great grandmother & grandmother,but not much. When I was in the 6th grade my teacher brought in a new student right off the boat from Germany.He spoke no English. She, the teacher, asked if anyone could speak any German, & 0f course I raised my hand. To make a long story short,we became best friends, & he taught me German, & I taught him English. He was from Hameln ( the peid piper city ) or ratten fanger stadt. I still know enough to get by, but no where near flouent. He is now my brother in law ! ( I married his wife's sister ) " Unfortunately, His English is Way better than my German right now. Bleibt Gesund, Charles Parcels Marven C Weitzel <marvenw@juno.com> wrote: Charles: My family spoke German at home, and I took German in college. After my college studies, my mother couldn't understand anything I said in German. I didn't graduate until 1974 when I was 41. I got a major in geology and spent several years in the oil business, including a lot of field work during drilling operations. One time I was the geologist on a well being drilled on the property of an old German farmer who spoke English with a heavy German accent. He came to the site one day looking for the "German geologist." I greeted him in German, and asked him several questions in the language. He gave me a strange look, and finally told me that he hadn't used his native language for so long that he could no longer understand it. I think I know how he feels. Ich habe beinahe alles vergessen. Ich brauche immer das Wörterbuch. Marven Weitzel --------------------------------- Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids.

Has anyone heard of Appean Gleason its a dough with filling that you drop in boiling water. its an old GV receipe that my grandmother would make connie ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

Makes you wonder about these people they lived so long most of them working hard and eating responsible, not like we eat now. My grandmother lived to be 103 while my grandfathers sister lived to be 106. Both were Volga Germans. Kevin Rupp Sunflower Chapter VC -----Original Message----- From: ger-volga-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ger-volga-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of S. Zitzer Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 10:24 AM To: Charles Parcels Cc: ger-volga@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GV] Eat Kuchen - It Calms the Nerves Ken's mention of his grandmother living to 90 makes me wonder about the longevity of the adults who immigrated from the Volga. My immigrant grandmother lived to be 100. My immigrant grandfather died younger but he drank a lot of alcohol all his life and died of cancer of the pancreas at 79. We always thought my grandmother lived so long because she worked so hard all her life since she was poor in Russia and relatively poor here in the US too. Did other adult immigrants live especially long lives here too? I wonder if their hard lives in Russia contributed to longevity. I'm not including the younger immigrants or the children born here in the US because their lives would be different since they would be affected by the American way of life at an early age. I think the average life expectancy in the US at this time is 79. But it looks like a lot of the German-Russian immigrants live a lot longer than that. Just wondering, Sally (Katharinenstadt, Wiesenmueller) Edgewood, WA > KLpelzel@aol.com wrote: > Carla, Thanks for the recipe! Hope to try it out. I doubt if this would > be included in a Nutrasystem diet! But then, my Grandmother who lived to > 90 made this kind of stuff daily, ( Gee maybe she would have lived to 91 > on the Nutrasystem stuff!) > > Ken ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I don't think it's just German Russians. My grandfather, of German parents, born in Wisconsin, lived to 94. His wife, born in Germany, lived to be 1 month short of 100. My GR grandmother lived to be 75, and her second husband a GR lived to be 84. My grandfather, a GR, died of Spanish influenza in 1918. I know there have been all kinds of studies about this, and I don't know what the conclusions are. I think the environment has a lot to do with it. It's hard to say about things like how you eat, and whether you drink. There are always the exceptions. Gary Martens On 9 Aug 2007 at 8:23, S. Zitzer wrote: > > Ken's mention of his grandmother living to 90 makes me wonder > about the longevity of the adults who immigrated from the Volga. > My immigrant grandmother lived to be 100. My immigrant grandfather > died younger but he drank a lot of alcohol all his life and died > of cancer of the pancreas at 79. > > We always thought my grandmother lived so long because she > worked so hard all her life since she was poor in Russia and > relatively poor here in the US too. > > Did other adult immigrants live especially long lives here > too? I wonder if their hard lives in Russia contributed > to longevity. > > I'm not including the younger immigrants or the children > born here in the US because their lives would be different > since they would be affected by the American way of life > at an early age. > > I think the average life expectancy in the US at this time > is 79. But it looks like a lot of the German-Russian > immigrants live a lot longer than that. > > Just wondering, > > Sally (Katharinenstadt, Wiesenmueller) > Edgewood, WA > > > KLpelzel@aol.com wrote: > > > Carla, Thanks for the recipe! Hope to try it out. I doubt if this would > > be included in a Nutrasystem diet! But then, my Grandmother who lived to > > 90 made this kind of stuff daily, ( Gee maybe she would have lived to 91 > > on the Nutrasystem stuff!) > > > > Ken > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Charles, My favortie German saying is: "Wenn es blaue Bohnen regnet, habe ich keinen Löffel" Translated: When it rains blue beans, I don't have spoon." Marven Weitzel

My aunt, born in Yagodnaya Polyana Russia lived to be almost 104 Years, 188 Days, my dad, 3 days shy of 94. Most others in my dad's family was late 80's to mid 90's My doctor told me it's the sauerkraut, he himself is oriental but has kraut 4 times a week for health reasons only, he actually hates it but endures. Kenny

Scottsbluff Star Hearld Scottsbluff, NE 9 Aug 2007 Albert L. Pepler, 83, of Scottsbluff, died Sunday, Aug. 5, 2007, at the Residency Care Center in Scottsbluff. Memorial funeral services will be held at 10 a.m., Saturday, Aug. 11, at the Plymouth Congregational Church in Scottsbluff with Pastor Jane Zulauf officiating. Al requested that his remains be cremated. A private family inurnment will precede the funeral at the Fairview Cemetery in Scottsbluff. In lieu of flowers, a memorial has been established to the church. Friends who wish may send condolences to www.jolliffefuneralhome.com. Al was born July 2, 1924, in Bayard to Andrew and Amelia (Kniss) Pepler where he grew up and graduated from Bayard High School. He served his country with the United States Army during World War II from 1946 until 1947. He then attended the University of Nebraska at Lincoln. He married Lois Eileen Forsyth Dec. 29, 1950, in Scottsbluff. He worked at various auto dealerships, the longest being Kramer Motors in Scottsbluff where he was the sales manager. He started Pepler Auto Sales in 1976 and was joined by his son, Andy, in 1983, which they owned and operated together until his retirement. Al was deeply loved by his family and many friends. He will be remembered and greatly missed. Al was a fifty-year member of the church, Scottsbluff Elks Lodge, and the Scotts Bluff Country Club. He is survived by his daughter, Penny (Jim) Krieger of Lincoln; daughter-in-law, Nancy Pepler of Scottsbluff; grandchildren, Matthew (Kristen) Krieger of Denver, Andrew Krieger of Omaha, Ali Pepler of Phoenix, Ariz., Ryan Krieger and Brittany Pepler both of Omaha, and Jenna Krieger of Lincoln; great-grandson, Jackson Pepler Krieger of Denver; sister, Betty (Jerry) Ewing of Solvang, Calif.; special friend, Jean Hilderman of Scottsbluff; and numerous nieces and nephews. His parents, wife, son Andy, a brother and sister preceded him in death.

Ken, This is great! Thanks! Someone was telling my husband he couldn't believe how many of these slogans GRs had. BTW - my great aunt passed at 105. "Worry looks around, sorry looks back, faith looks up. Have Faith." KLpelzel@aol.com wrote: Carla, Thanks for the recipe! Hope to try it out. I doubt if this would be included in a Nutrasystem diet! But then, my Grandmother who lived to 90 made this kind of stuff daily, ( Gee maybe she would have lived to 91 on the Nutrasystem stuff!) Ken Worry looks around, sorry looks back, faith looks up. Have Faith. --------------------------------- Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com. Carla Wills-Brandon, Ph.D. www.carlawillsbrandon.com Death is just a bus stop before the next trip!

Ken's mention of his grandmother living to 90 makes me wonder about the longevity of the adults who immigrated from the Volga. My immigrant grandmother lived to be 100. My immigrant grandfather died younger but he drank a lot of alcohol all his life and died of cancer of the pancreas at 79. We always thought my grandmother lived so long because she worked so hard all her life since she was poor in Russia and relatively poor here in the US too. Did other adult immigrants live especially long lives here too? I wonder if their hard lives in Russia contributed to longevity. I'm not including the younger immigrants or the children born here in the US because their lives would be different since they would be affected by the American way of life at an early age. I think the average life expectancy in the US at this time is 79. But it looks like a lot of the German-Russian immigrants live a lot longer than that. Just wondering, Sally (Katharinenstadt, Wiesenmueller) Edgewood, WA > KLpelzel@aol.com wrote: > Carla, Thanks for the recipe! Hope to try it out. I doubt if this would > be included in a Nutrasystem diet! But then, my Grandmother who lived to > 90 made this kind of stuff daily, ( Gee maybe she would have lived to 91 > on the Nutrasystem stuff!) > > Ken

Carla, Thanks for the recipe! Hope to try it out. I doubt if this would be included in a Nutrasystem diet! But then, my Grandmother who lived to 90 made this kind of stuff daily, ( Gee maybe she would have lived to 91 on the Nutrasystem stuff!) Ken Worry looks around, sorry looks back, faith looks up. Have Faith. ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

My greatgrandmother, Catherine Weibert (aus Messer) used to make very plain type of pastries the size of a turnover, around lent called "Fast Nacht Kuchen". I wish I knew how to make them. My favorite German saying is " WE GROW TOO SOON OLD,& TOO LATE SMART". KLpelzel@aol.com wrote: Carla, Thanks for the recipe! Hope to try it out. I doubt if this would be included in a Nutrasystem diet! But then, my Grandmother who lived to 90 made this kind of stuff daily, ( Gee maybe she would have lived to 91 on the Nutrasystem stuff!) Ken Worry looks around, sorry looks back, faith looks up. Have Faith. ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell.

Scottsbluff Star Hearld Scottsbluff, NE 8 Aug 2007 TORRINGTON, Wyo. - Rachael Korell, 86, passed into Heaven Sunday, Aug. 5, 2007, surrounded by her family at Emerald Court in Scottsbluff. Funeral services will be held at 10 a.m., Thursday, Aug. 9, at the First Congregational Church of Torrington with Pastor Matthew Gordon officiating. Burial will follow in the Hillcrest Cemetery in Lingle, Wyo. Visitation hours will be held Wednesday, Aug. 8, from noon to 7 p.m.; at the Colyer Funeral Home and the casket will be open at the church service. In lieu of flowers, the family would appreciate memorial donations be directed to either the Torrington First Congregational Church or to the Alzheimer's Association for Research c/o the Colyer Funeral Home. Funeral arrangements are under the direction of the Colyer Funeral Home and friends are invited to send condolences to the family at www.colyerfuneralhome.com Rachael was born July 29, 1921, in Scottsbluff the eighth child, of Henry and Catherine (Robertus) Heckman. When she was just a small child, the family moved to Goshen County, Wyo. and lived at Veteran and Yoder where Rachael attended school. She married Henry Korell Nov. 23, 1940, in Scottsbluff. Four sons and two daughters blessed this union. When Henry entered the US Navy in 1942, Rachael faithfully followed him to his stateside billetings, and then wrote letters to him daily during his days aboard ship in the Pacific Theatre. Following Henry's discharge from service, the couple farmed. Rachael labored along side her husband on the family farms, first near Torrington, Wyo. and later at Lingle, Wyo. Rachael never missed having a meal on the table or clean clothes in the closet. She cared deeply for her family and devoted herself to her children; and that support carried on until her death. Rachael had entered the Emerald Court in Scottsbluff in June of 2006. Rachael enjoyed crocheting and had made afghans for all of her grandchildren; and her homemade ornaments continue to grace the family Christmas tree. She was a long time member of the First Congregational Church of Torrington where she was a member of the Friendly Society and she served as a Sunday School teacher. Rachael loved the Lord and her church. She read her Bible daily until her illness prevented it. Rachael was honored as 'FarmWife of the Year' by W.I.F.E. (Women Involved in Farm Economics); and the Torrington Telegram named Rachael and Henry the 'Valentine Couple of the Year' in 1993. Survivors include her husband of 66 years, Henry, of Torrington; children, Wayne (Beth) Korell of Lingle, Alan (Terry) Korell of Lingle, Kathy (Bob) Rose of Sinclair, Wyo., Gary (Tammy) Korell of Torrington, and Kayleen (Dan) Wunder of Ft. Laramie, Wyo.; daughter-in-law, Patricia Korell of Chula Vista, Calif.; 17 grandchildren; 23 great-grandchildren; one great-great granddaughter; brother, Edward Heckman of Torrington; sister-in-law, Rose Wells of Torrington; and a brother-in-law, Jake Korell of Riverton, Wyo. She was preceded in death by her parents; son, Robert Henry; sister, Leah; and brothers, Jacob, Henry, John, Alex (Toots), Manuel, and Victor.

Hi Carla, Blessing on to you - Have a look since you chastised me for something that I did not do: You will see that this particular letter was posted to you personally and not to the list - as you claim: From: Vera Beljakova [atacama@global.co.za] To: drsbrandon@sbcglobal.net Subject: Thanks. grt work, Carla / RE: Re: [GV] translation copyright / Russian method. Sun, 5/08/2007 6:38 PM If you had looked, you would have seen..... So long Vera

thanks for the update, I thought that this was done, but decided to hold off mentioning SOAR, in case my info was bad. do NOT use "reply": spam filtering active. send e-mail only to mailto:terry@sterkel.org, or betsy@sterkel.org > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [GV] Surname Charts > From: Lauren Brantner <lrbrantner@yahoo.com> > Date: Sun, August 05, 2007 7:39 am > To: ger-volga@rootsweb.com > > I guess the word has not percolated well enough. SOAR has all the surname charts available through AHSGR in the SOAR database. Doris Evans did an incredible amount of work indexing all the names in the charts so that if you search in SOAR your surname will pop up in whatever chart it is appears in. If you haven't looked at SOAR lately - you should check out all the additions that went in before the summer convention. SOAR is available from the AHSGR website ahsgr.org. > > Lauren Brantner > SOAR Committee Member > > > > --------------------------------- > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. > Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

A rule of thumb I started using in the '70s. Saved me from lots of grief. "If you cannot confirm that what you are selling has X, Y, and/or Z in it, I will not be ordering." In the age of computer assisted/generated reports, this is a trivial request, with minimal work on the seller's part. An excellent screen for those who you should not be doing business with. As for false information, the best bet is to use a Genealogy Program that allows you to systematically identify, flag and ultimately weed out bad data. For example, The Master Genealogist. do NOT use "reply": spam filtering active. send e-mail only to mailto:terry@sterkel.org, or betsy@sterkel.org > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [GV] A THOUGHT > From: Terri Walker <terri4787@yahoo.com> > Date: Sun, August 05, 2007 11:17 am > To: smcginness1@cox.net, Charles Parcels <volgager4440@yahoo.com>, > ger-volga@rootsweb.com > > Just as bad, is paying money for advertised items that are misrepresented, and false information. > > smcginness1@cox.net wrote: ... I'm just a poor descendant of Volga Germans, and I'm just as proud of my heritage as the next guy, but frankly I can't afford $35 or $50 or $150 to buy a chart that may or may not have any information on it concerning my ancestors. The experiences I have had with paying for information is that I pay up front and then wait for a response, which is usually, "Sorry, no information was found regarding -----." ...

A personal clarification, if you are interested. I have stated over the years that I will not charge and have not charged for any product of my work, even when I have had pay third parties for it. The sole exception was the baseball cap I talked a cousin out of. The reason was the deep suspicion I have seen in various mail lists, on-line groups, and even at conventions that somehow "you are making money out of this." Bottom line, if I cannot personally afford it, I will not do it. As for those "selling" family charts, church data, census data, et.al. While I will not do this, I understand that there is a valid reason for people (and clubs/chapters) to attempt to recoup their expenses. I guess that I do not have the thick hide for this. I will state that I have paid for these compendia, and have always been satisfied for the cost/benefit ratio. I will also state, that with the exception of one egregious eBay example, I have not seen anything approximating exploitation. A quick note on copyright. While data cannot be copyrighted, the form and interpretations can. I honor the form and interpretations copyright, with extensive AGS/Mills sourcing tags on ALL and EVERY piece of data I enter into my database. By the way, I use "The Master Genealogist", used by more professional "for-hire" genealogist, than any other program. It actively encourages, via its screen entry method, excellent habits. do NOT use "reply": spam filtering active. send e-mail only to mailto:terry@sterkel.org, or betsy@sterkel.org

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Very Well Said...... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Parcels" <volgager4440@yahoo.com> To: <ger-volga@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 5:02 PM Subject: [GV] A THOUGHT > Some people are intelligent, some are not, some are > rude, boastful, shy, quarrelsome,compassionate, sincere, etc. etc. etc., > but we are all ONE FAMILY,GERMANS from RUSSIA ! > Let's keep it that way ! (helping, > careing,&sharing,with one another ) > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web > links. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.4/936 - Release Date: 8/4/2007 > 2:42 PM > >

---- Leichtling <leichtling@boydhouse.com> wrote: ============= Hi Sharon, No I haven't thought about a local historical group. I'm in California and I wonder if they would even care about German Russians in Kansas. Maybe something in Kansas where they are from??? DB PS, I have got to change from Digest to List mode. How do I do that? ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- You're right...I hadn't considered that you might not be in Kansas...sorry 'bout that :-) Have a great day :-) Sharon McGinness smcginness1@cox.net