You guys are making me hungry!!! Does anyone know of a compilation of VG recipes? I know a lot of churches used to raise funds by seling recipe books with recipes provided by the women in the parishes... Sharon McGinness smcginness1@cox.net ---- RON GREENWALD <ronfarmcr3@msn.com> wrote: ============= Yes, Marvin, I remember Schnitzsuppe very well. My Dad said that most Saturday evenings Grossmama would fix Schnitzsuppe and Greble for supper. My Dad said they used to call it, "Sneak up and Grab it". I loved the Greble but never did develop a taste for Schnitzsuppe. When they started the hot lunch program in the Windsor schools most of the cooks they hired were Germans from Russia. They served Schnitzsuppe on time but most of the school kids did not like it so they never served it again. <mailto:ger-volga@rootsweb.com> Ron Greenwald ----- Original Message ----- From: Marven C Weitzel<mailto:marvenw@juno.com> To: druquest@earthlink.net<mailto:druquest@earthlink.net> Cc: ger-volga@rootsweb.com<mailto:ger-volga@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 3:49 PM Subject: Re: [GV] Question on GV crops Fred Koch's book, The Volga Germans, has an interesting section on the crops grown in the colonies. He writes that sugar beets were grown to meet domestic needs. The settlers processed them into a syrup that served as a sweetner for many cooking purposes. A sugar beet factory was established at Anton on the Bergseite, reportedly as early as 1815, and operated on a commercial scale for sixty years, according to Koch. It would be no surprise to me if the introduction of sugar beets in this country were traced back to the Volga Germans. Koch reports that they also grew wheat, rye, millet, barley, oats and sunflowers. He says that tobacco culture expanced tremendously for fifty years starting in 1830. Orchards were also established, including apples, cherries, wild pears and other fruits. Not many on the list are too young to remember grandma's Schnitzsuppe. My grandfather must have brought some of the sunflower seeds over, because I remember his sunflower garden. They made their own brew, including beer, whiskey and vodka. My aunt tells the story of when my grandmother was cooking the grain for a batch of whiskey. The minister came calling while it was cooking and asked what the smell was. Grandma told him she was cooking some grain for the hogs. Marven Weitzel On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 14:56:40 -0500 "Ward R Richter" <druquest@earthlink.net<mailto:druquest@earthlink.net>> writes: > All > > This listing reminded me that it would be interesting to hear what > crops > were grown back in Russia, especially the more unusual ones. My > family came > from Schulz and in addition to the usual grains, vegetables, > watermellons > and hay, they grew tobacco which was sold to American tobacco > companies. My > father drew a picture of their compound with house, barns and two > tobacco > sheds. How widespread was tobacco as a crop in other villages? > > Ward R Richter > > -----Original Message----- > From: ger-volga-bounces@rootsweb.com<mailto:ger-volga-bounces@rootsweb.com> > [mailto:ger-volga-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Dennis L. Sewald > Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 2:13 PM > To: ger-volga@rootsweb.com<mailto:ger-volga@rootsweb.com> > Subject: [GV] Question on GV crops > > I was told, but don't know if this is true or not. Is it true the > GV > brought with them sugar beets and winter wheat from Russia? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Dennis Sewald > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Have a great day :-) Sharon McGinness smcginness1@cox.net

One of my aunts said the same thing when she read the book, Second Hoeing. She said they were not good memories either. ----- Original Message ----- From: "LAWRENCE LOFING" <lplfla45@verizon.net> To: <GER-VOLGA@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 1:14 PM Subject: [GV] Sugar Beet Farming Book > I've been reading the posts about sugar beet farming with interest. Those > who are interested in learning more about the kind of hardships endured by > the GR immigrants in the beet fields of Kansas, Colorado, Wyoming and > Montana should read the book Second Hoeing by Hope Williams Sykes (ISBN > 0-8032-9129-9). It is available through AHSGR. It is a novel about the > trials of a GR family on a sugar beet farm in Colorado. According to the > back cover "Hope Williams Sykes (1901-73) devoted the greater part of her > writing career to the portrayal of German-Russian immigrants. ------" > > I sent this book to my aunt to read a couple of years ago. After reading > it, her comment was "Oh that brought back so many memories-----". She > didn't go into detail and I don't think they were very good memories. My > grandparents (Conrad Lofing/Lofink - Norka and Elizabeth Busch - Dietel) > worked on sugar beet farms first in the Garden City Kansas, Sugar City > Colorado area and then in Park City Montana. My father and uncles quite > school after the eighth grade because they had to work sugar beet harvest > which could run into early November in Montana depending on the weather. > > Larry Lofing > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.13/947 - Release Date: 8/11/2007 > 2:29 PM > >

I have a yard full of these blackberries! I can give [plants. Mine are in full bloom now. Mary Colorado ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

If anyone would like some seed of the edible Solanum nigrum, or Schwartzbeeren, that the Volga Germans grew, I'd be happy to send you some. There are several recipes using the berries in Kuche', Maultasche' and other preparations in the Sei Unser Gast Germans from Russia cookbook. -- Sam Brungardt. ---------------------------------------- > From: Skc33052@aol.com > Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 14:10:04 -0400 > To: ger-volga@rootsweb.com > Subject: [GV] Schwartzbeeren > > Thelma, > Sam Brungardt (sam739is@hotmail.com)sent me some of the seeds a couple of > years ago. He included a paper about them. > My Dad always talked about picking them for his Mother and the goodies she > made with them so I was very excited to grow them and make my Dad a pie. > The email address is about two years old so I hope it is good. > Sherry Christie > Delta, CO > > > ************************************** > Get a sneak peek of the > all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thelma, Sam Brungardt (sam739is@hotmail.com)sent me some of the seeds a couple of years ago. He included a paper about them. My Dad always talked about picking them for his Mother and the goodies she made with them so I was very excited to grow them and make my Dad a pie. The email address is about two years old so I hope it is good. Sherry Christie Delta, CO ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

This is something that I have never heard of. What is it? Is it called something else also? Dick Schmidt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thelma Mills" <thelma.mills@gmail.com> To: "Marven C Weitzel" <marvenw@juno.com> Cc: <ger-volga@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 10:29 AM Subject: Re: [GV] Question on GV crops > Hello - on this same subject - where did swatchberra come from? Did our > people bring them from Russia? I have been trying to find some to eat with > knebble because I am so hungry for them, but when asking on the radio Swap > Shop, I never received an answer from anyone. I think the season is just > about over now. Thelma Mills > > > > On 8/10/07, Marven C Weitzel <marvenw@juno.com> wrote: >> >> Fred Koch's book, The Volga Germans, has an interesting section on the >> crops grown in the colonies. He writes that sugar beets were grown to >> meet domestic needs. The settlers processed them into a syrup that >> served as a sweetner for many cooking purposes. A sugar beet factory was >> established at Anton on the Bergseite, reportedly as early as 1815, and >> operated on a commercial scale for sixty years, according to Koch. >> It would be no surprise to me if the introduction of sugar beets in this >> country were traced back to the Volga Germans. >> Koch reports that they also grew wheat, rye, millet, barley, oats and >> sunflowers. He says that tobacco culture expanced tremendously for fifty >> years starting in 1830. >> Orchards were also established, including apples, cherries, wild pears >> and other fruits. Not many on the list are too young to remember >> grandma's Schnitzsuppe. My grandfather must have brought some of the >> sunflower seeds over, because I remember his sunflower garden. >> They made their own brew, including beer, whiskey and vodka. My aunt >> tells the story of when my grandmother was cooking the grain for a batch >> of whiskey. The minister came calling while it was cooking and asked >> what the smell was. Grandma told him she was cooking some grain for the >> hogs. >> >> Marven Weitzel >> >> On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 14:56:40 -0500 "Ward R Richter" >> <druquest@earthlink.net> writes: >> > All >> > >> > This listing reminded me that it would be interesting to hear what >> > crops >> > were grown back in Russia, especially the more unusual ones. My >> > family came >> > from Schulz and in addition to the usual grains, vegetables, >> > watermellons >> > and hay, they grew tobacco which was sold to American tobacco >> > companies. My >> > father drew a picture of their compound with house, barns and two >> > tobacco >> > sheds. How widespread was tobacco as a crop in other villages? >> > >> > Ward R Richter >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: ger-volga-bounces@rootsweb.com >> > [mailto:ger-volga-bounces@rootsweb.com] >> > On Behalf Of Dennis L. Sewald >> > Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 2:13 PM >> > To: ger-volga@rootsweb.com >> > Subject: [GV] Question on GV crops >> > >> > I was told, but don't know if this is true or not. Is it true the >> > GV >> > brought with them sugar beets and winter wheat from Russia? >> > >> > >> > >> > Thanks, >> > >> > >> > >> > Dennis Sewald >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> > the >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> > >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > -- > http://www.mariental-louis.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.13/946 - Release Date: 8/10/2007 > 3:50 PM > >

Sharon, Here are a couple of my online favorites: http://www.kitchenproject.com/german/index.html Great German food! http://www.lib.ndsu.nodak.edu/grhc/history_culture/recipe/index.html Germans from Russia Heritage Collection. Enjoy! Dennis Sewald -----Original Message----- From: ger-volga-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ger-volga-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of smcginness1@cox.net Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 1:44 PM To: Marven C Weitzel; RON GREENWALD Cc: ger-volga Subject: Re: [GV] Question on GV crops You guys are making me hungry!!! Does anyone know of a compilation of VG recipes? I know a lot of churches used to raise funds by seling recipe books with recipes provided by the women in the parishes... Sharon McGinness smcginness1@cox.net ---- RON GREENWALD <ronfarmcr3@msn.com> wrote: ============= Yes, Marvin, I remember Schnitzsuppe very well. My Dad said that most Saturday evenings Grossmama would fix Schnitzsuppe and Greble for supper. My Dad said they used to call it, "Sneak up and Grab it". I loved the Greble but never did develop a taste for Schnitzsuppe. When they started the hot lunch program in the Windsor schools most of the cooks they hired were Germans from Russia. They served Schnitzsuppe on time but most of the school kids did not like it so they never served it again. <mailto:ger-volga@rootsweb.com> Ron Greenwald ----- Original Message ----- From: Marven C Weitzel<mailto:marvenw@juno.com> To: druquest@earthlink.net<mailto:druquest@earthlink.net> Cc: ger-volga@rootsweb.com<mailto:ger-volga@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 3:49 PM Subject: Re: [GV] Question on GV crops Fred Koch's book, The Volga Germans, has an interesting section on the crops grown in the colonies. He writes that sugar beets were grown to meet domestic needs. The settlers processed them into a syrup that served as a sweetner for many cooking purposes. A sugar beet factory was established at Anton on the Bergseite, reportedly as early as 1815, and operated on a commercial scale for sixty years, according to Koch. It would be no surprise to me if the introduction of sugar beets in this country were traced back to the Volga Germans. Koch reports that they also grew wheat, rye, millet, barley, oats and sunflowers. He says that tobacco culture expanced tremendously for fifty years starting in 1830. Orchards were also established, including apples, cherries, wild pears and other fruits. Not many on the list are too young to remember grandma's Schnitzsuppe. My grandfather must have brought some of the sunflower seeds over, because I remember his sunflower garden. They made their own brew, including beer, whiskey and vodka. My aunt tells the story of when my grandmother was cooking the grain for a batch of whiskey. The minister came calling while it was cooking and asked what the smell was. Grandma told him she was cooking some grain for the hogs. Marven Weitzel On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 14:56:40 -0500 "Ward R Richter" <druquest@earthlink.net<mailto:druquest@earthlink.net>> writes: > All > > This listing reminded me that it would be interesting to hear what > crops > were grown back in Russia, especially the more unusual ones. My > family came > from Schulz and in addition to the usual grains, vegetables, > watermellons > and hay, they grew tobacco which was sold to American tobacco > companies. My > father drew a picture of their compound with house, barns and two > tobacco > sheds. How widespread was tobacco as a crop in other villages? > > Ward R Richter > > -----Original Message----- > From: ger-volga-bounces@rootsweb.com<mailto:ger-volga-bounces@rootsweb.com> > [mailto:ger-volga-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Dennis L. Sewald > Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 2:13 PM > To: ger-volga@rootsweb.com<mailto:ger-volga@rootsweb.com> > Subject: [GV] Question on GV crops > > I was told, but don't know if this is true or not. Is it true the > GV > brought with them sugar beets and winter wheat from Russia? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Dennis Sewald > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Have a great day :-) Sharon McGinness smcginness1@cox.net ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I'm just now inputting the name schuckman in my data base from obits that I received from the Ellis County Historical Society. The name is spelled Schuckman, Schukman and Schupman from the obits I received as well as some of the older baptism and marriages records from the area. The name "Schuckmann" shows up in the colonies of Dobrinka, Huck, Kutter, and Wittmann. The Schuckman/Schupman/Schukman families that settled in Ellis County were from Wittmann and Schoenchen. Kevin -- Kevin Rupp 2301 Canal Blvd Hays, Ks. 67601 krupp@ruraltel.net www.volgagerman.net volgagerman@ruraltel.net > From: <smcginness1@cox.net> > Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 1:04:19 -0500 > To: <GER-VOLGA@rootsweb.com> > Subject: [GV] Varied spelling of names > > In researching my Schupman ancestry on my maternal grandmother's side, I have > found the name spelled Schuckmann, Shupeman, Schupman (which is how my > grandmother spelled it), Scheepman, Shupman, Schuppman, & Schulman. In the > Oct. 29, 1857 census of Schoenchen, Russia, there is a Johann > Schulmann/Schuhmann listed who was born in 1851. My question to you more > experienced genealogists is, could this Johann Schulmann/Schuhmann be John > Joseph Schuckman? I haven't found any Schuckmans, regardless of the spelling, > in any of the Volga villages. This is the closest I've come. Your opinions, > please? > -- > Have a great day :-) > > Sharon McGinness > smcginness1@cox.net > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Here you go! Name: Peter Wittmann1 ‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹ Birth: 5 Nov 1856 Rohleder (Raskaty), Russia1,2 Movement: 1859 Moved to to the colony of Liebental, Russia Death: 3 Apr 19361 Immigration: Went to America.2 Father: Heinrich Wittmann (1824-) Mother: Elisabeth Stressler (1822-1890) Marriage: 15 Jul 1875 Liebental (Lubonirovka), Russia2 ‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹ Spouse: Katherine Beil ‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹ Birth: 18541 Death: 25 Jul 19241 Father: Peter Beil (1819-1919) Mother: Elizabeth Storm (1821-1919) ‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹ Children ‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹ 1 F: Emerciana Wittman2 Birth: 11 Aug 1875 Liebental (Lubonirovka), Russia2 Death: 25 May 1876 Liebental (Lubonirovka), Russia2 ‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹ 2 F: Carolina Wittman2 Birth: 16 Mar 1877 Liebental (Lubonirovka), Russia2 Death: 11 May 1881 Liebental (Lubonirovka), Russia2 ‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹ 3 F: Anna Wittman2 Birth: 19 Apr 1880 Liebental (Lubonirovka), Russia2 Immigration: Went to America.2 ‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹ 4 M: Johannes Wittman2 Birth: 2 Jul 1882 Liebental (Lubonirovka), Russia2 Immigration: Went to America.2 ‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹ 5 F: Elisabeth Wittman2 Birth: 1 Jul 1884 Liebental (Lubonirovka), Russia2 Death: 15 Mar 1886 Liebental (Lubonirovka), Russia2 ‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹ 6 M: Peter Michael Wittman1,2 Birth: 24 Oct 1886 Liebental (Lubonirovka), Russia2 Death: 6 Oct 1964 Garden City, Kansas Spouse: Elizabeth Schaffer ‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹ 7 M: Heinrich Wittmann2 Birth: 23 Oct 1889 Victoria, Kansas2 Death: 28 Aug 1969 Garden City, Kansas2 Spouse: Anna Brendl ‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹ 8 M: Johannes Wittmann2 Birth: 19 Oct 18912 ‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹ 9 M: Joseph Wittman1 Birth: Jul 18932 Death: 19542 Spouse: Apolonia Schaffer ‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹ 10 F: Mary Wittman1 Birth: Mar 1894 Buena Vista, Colorado2 Death: 22 Jun 1973 Garden City, Kansas2 Spouse: Simon Kessler Spouse: Anton Lauber ‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹ 11 M: Conrad Wittman1 Birth: Oct 18962 Spouse: Violet Davis ‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹ 12 F: Katharina Wittmann2 Birth: Jan 18982 ‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹ 13 M: Abraham Wittmann2 Birth: Mar 18992 Spouse: Anna Catharine Pfeifer Sources 1. Frank J. Windholz - 1984, Parishioners of The BVM of the Assumption Church 1895-1936 Marianthal, Kansas. 2. 1874 Liebental, Russia : Register Die Gemeinde Von Liebental, Russia, Pavel M. Leus & Anthony J. Leiker, Anthony J. Leiker, 2000. Liebental, Russia 1874 Village Church Records:Compiled by Pavel Leus ‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹ Last Modified: 11 Aug 2007 Created: 11 Aug 2007 -- Kevin Rupp 2301 Canal Blvd Hays, Ks. 67601 krupp@ruraltel.net www.volgagerman.net volgagerman@ruraltel.net > From: <smcginness1@cox.net> > Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 0:54:51 -0500 > To: <GER-VOLGA@rootsweb.com> > Subject: [GV] Wittman Family > > I am trying to find info re: Peter and Catherine (nee Biel) Wittman. I don't > know what village they came from in Russia. This is what I do know about > them: > > Peter was born in Russia abt. 1853 & died in Leoti, KS on 3 Apr 1936. He is > buried in an unmarked grave in the Marienthal cemetery. > > Catherine was born in Russia 4 Jul 1855. She died 25 Jul 1924 in Leoti, KS & > is also buried in an unmarked grave in the Marienthal cemetery. Her parents > were Jakob Biel and Maria Storm. > > Peter & Catherine came to Victoria, KS on 3 Aug 1876, along with their > daughter, Anna (my great-grandmother). Anna was born 19 Apr 1879 in Russia. > She married John Schupman (alt. sp. Schuckman) on 24 Sep 1904. She died 25 > Nov 1947 in LaCrosse, KS. > > Peter & Catherine's other children, from what I have gleaned from U.S. Federal > Census records, were: > > Peter, b. abt. 1886 > Heinrich, b. 23 Oct 1888 > John, b. abt. 1890 > Joseph, b. 28 Jul 1892 > Maria, b. abt. 1893 > Conrad, b. abt. 1895 > Katherine, b. abt. 1898 > Abraham, b. abt 1899 > > > -- > Have a great day :-) > > Sharon McGinness > smcginness1@cox.net > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

I really don't know, but I can assure you that the cold cherry soup was really good, especially in the hot summer months. If my memory surves me correctly, there were alot of cherries(pitted) in it, and it had white colored consistancy,& tasted a little like slightly sweetned milk. "S. Zitzer" <sallyz@myuw.net> wrote: I've heard Volga Germans talk about "fruit soup". My father mentioned it years ago and he HATED it! But my impression is that other VG's really liked it. Am I wrong? Sally Zitzer On Sat, 11 Aug 2007, Charles Parcels wrote: > Does anybody remember having cherry soup ? It was served cold, not hot. > My great grand mother Catherine Weibert used to make it . I wish I knew > how to make it , boy, was that good ! > Charles Parcels --------------------------------- Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games.

Yes, Marvin, I remember Schnitzsuppe very well. My Dad said that most Saturday evenings Grossmama would fix Schnitzsuppe and Greble for supper. My Dad said they used to call it, "Sneak up and Grab it". I loved the Greble but never did develop a taste for Schnitzsuppe. When they started the hot lunch program in the Windsor schools most of the cooks they hired were Germans from Russia. They served Schnitzsuppe on time but most of the school kids did not like it so they never served it again. <mailto:ger-volga@rootsweb.com> Ron Greenwald ----- Original Message ----- From: Marven C Weitzel<mailto:marvenw@juno.com> To: druquest@earthlink.net<mailto:druquest@earthlink.net> Cc: ger-volga@rootsweb.com<mailto:ger-volga@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 3:49 PM Subject: Re: [GV] Question on GV crops Fred Koch's book, The Volga Germans, has an interesting section on the crops grown in the colonies. He writes that sugar beets were grown to meet domestic needs. The settlers processed them into a syrup that served as a sweetner for many cooking purposes. A sugar beet factory was established at Anton on the Bergseite, reportedly as early as 1815, and operated on a commercial scale for sixty years, according to Koch. It would be no surprise to me if the introduction of sugar beets in this country were traced back to the Volga Germans. Koch reports that they also grew wheat, rye, millet, barley, oats and sunflowers. He says that tobacco culture expanced tremendously for fifty years starting in 1830. Orchards were also established, including apples, cherries, wild pears and other fruits. Not many on the list are too young to remember grandma's Schnitzsuppe. My grandfather must have brought some of the sunflower seeds over, because I remember his sunflower garden. They made their own brew, including beer, whiskey and vodka. My aunt tells the story of when my grandmother was cooking the grain for a batch of whiskey. The minister came calling while it was cooking and asked what the smell was. Grandma told him she was cooking some grain for the hogs. Marven Weitzel On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 14:56:40 -0500 "Ward R Richter" <druquest@earthlink.net<mailto:druquest@earthlink.net>> writes: > All > > This listing reminded me that it would be interesting to hear what > crops > were grown back in Russia, especially the more unusual ones. My > family came > from Schulz and in addition to the usual grains, vegetables, > watermellons > and hay, they grew tobacco which was sold to American tobacco > companies. My > father drew a picture of their compound with house, barns and two > tobacco > sheds. How widespread was tobacco as a crop in other villages? > > Ward R Richter > > -----Original Message----- > From: ger-volga-bounces@rootsweb.com<mailto:ger-volga-bounces@rootsweb.com> > [mailto:ger-volga-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Dennis L. Sewald > Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 2:13 PM > To: ger-volga@rootsweb.com<mailto:ger-volga@rootsweb.com> > Subject: [GV] Question on GV crops > > I was told, but don't know if this is true or not. Is it true the > GV > brought with them sugar beets and winter wheat from Russia? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Dennis Sewald > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

As far as I no, there has not been a chart commissioned on the Werth's here from Ellis County. Let me know if you need anything on the Werth family. Kevin -- Kevin Rupp 2301 Canal Blvd Hays, Ks. 67601 krupp@ruraltel.net www.volgagerman.net volgagerman@ruraltel.net > From: <smcginness1@cox.net> > Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 20:20:44 -0500 > To: Charlene Droste <Charlene.Droste@lmh.org>, <ger-volga@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [GV] Help > > I don't know about a Pleve chart, but I was at the Hays (KS) Public Library > yesterday and found a lot of information on Werths...not much on my Werth > family, but still a lot...I think most of them settled in the Schoenchen > community in Kansas... > > Sharon McGinness > smcginness1@cox.net > > > ---- Charlene Droste <Charlene.Droste@lmh.org> wrote: > > ============= > Does anyone know if there is a Werth chart completed by Pleve? Thank you > to all of you for your help. > > Charlene.F. Droste, MBA > Librarian/CME Coordinator, Lawrence Memorial Hospital > 324 Maine Lawrence, KS > charlene.droste@lmh.org > > > "The more you know, the better you heal" > > Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for > the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and > privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or > distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please > contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original > message. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > -- > Have a great day :-) > > Sharon McGinness > smcginness1@cox.net > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

I found this on the internet about beets Kenny Processed sugar had its origins in India about 500 B.C. A process was used to crush cane in a press, boil the pulp to evaporate the juice, and grind the rest into a dark brown powder that was called "karkara". The popularity of karkara spread as Indian traders sold this sugar to neighboring cultures. Both the product and the word slowly moved westward. The Arabic-speaking peoples of the Middle East gave the word karkara as "sukkur." It was from this word that European countries derived their forms of the word sugar. Europeans had little contact with processed sugar until the 11th century when the Crusaders brought samples of it back from their travels. This substance replaced honey as the choice of sweetener in Europe, especially among the royalty and nobility. They were the only ones who could afford to buy it. Since cane could not be grown outside tropical areas, Europeans of the Middle Ages had to rely on trade for their supplies. In 1744 a German chemist Andreas Marggraf experimented with a white beet root-the beta vulgaris-that was common in the Mediterranean region. Marggraf crystallized sugar from beet pulp In a process where brandy was used for extraction. Since beets could be grown in temperate climates, the benefits of Marggraf's work were enormous for farmers in Europe and North America. One of Marggraf's pupils expanded on his work and developed the first sugarbeet extraction factory in 1802. Another pupil began breeding new beet strains on a farm in Silesia. Their efforts became known and the British stepped in to seize the opportunity to also develop sugar in this manner. Napoleon Bonaparte gave orders in 1811 to build hundreds of small beet processing factories in France. Within two years, French farmers had planted nearly 80,000 acres of beet stock obtained from the Germans. The French processed about 35,000 tons of beet sugar by the end of 1813. However, when Napoleon fell, the young industry collapsed. The Germans, however, continued to develop their sugarbeet fields. The United States entered the picture in the 1830s when German-Americans produced sugar from beets. However, the idea was dropped when a tiny processing factory in Massachusetts turned out a poor product. Similar experiments failed in Michigan, Illinois and Wisconsin. In the middle of the 19th century, American looked at the prospects of developing sugar once again. It was in the west: California, Nebraska, Colorado and Utah where attempts were made. Mormon pioneers obtained seed to grow two acres of sugarbeets for seed in 1850. Two years later they shipped processing equipment from France. The processing factory was set up in Provo, UT, and later moved to an area in the Salt Lake Valley still known today as Sugarhouse. A liquid sugar was produced but the plant was abandoned in 1855. In 1870 the Dyer family built the first successful American beet sugar plant in Alvarado, CA, 22 miles east of San Francisco. Claus Spreckels, an entrepreneur who already controlled Hawaiian cane sugar production, built a second processing plant at Watsonville, CA, in 1880. Then the Oxnard brothers underwrote costs of the first beet plant in the American plains at Grand Island, NE, in 1890. In 1891 the first successful sugarbeet factory was established at Lehi, UT, by the Utah Sugar Company. It produced the first crystallized sugar in Utah. In 1901 several sugarbeet companies were operating small factories in Colorado. They processed 400-500 ton a day. The state later totaled 20 plants, the most of any state. Nearly 20 years later in 1910 some 398,000 acres of beets were produced in the U.S. and sold at an average of $5.45 a ton to the processors. The processors turned the beets into 4.1 million tons of sugar. The sugarbeet industry was on its way. It is still contributing to the economic well-being of many small towns in the farmlands of America-nearly 90 years later.

I've heard Volga Germans talk about "fruit soup". My father mentioned it years ago and he HATED it! But my impression is that other VG's really liked it. Am I wrong? Sally Zitzer On Sat, 11 Aug 2007, Charles Parcels wrote: > Does anybody remember having cherry soup ? It was served cold, not hot. > My great grand mother Catherine Weibert used to make it . I wish I knew > how to make it , boy, was that good ! > Charles Parcels

Hello - there are some "Schuhmann in the following villages listed in the1798 Census published by Brent Mai. Biberstein; Bettinger; Holzel; Kolb; Kind;Kautz; Laub Thelma Mills. On 8/10/07, smcginness1@cox.net <smcginness1@cox.net> wrote: > > In researching my Schupman ancestry on my maternal grandmother's side, I > have found the name spelled Schuckmann, Shupeman, Schupman (which is how my > grandmother spelled it), Scheepman, Shupman, Schuppman, & Schulman. In the > Oct. 29, 1857 census of Schoenchen, Russia, there is a Johann > Schulmann/Schuhmann listed who was born in 1851. My question to you more > experienced genealogists is, could this Johann Schulmann/Schuhmann be John > Joseph Schuckman? I haven't found any Schuckmans, regardless of the > spelling, in any of the Volga villages. This is the closest I've come. > Your opinions, please? > -- > Have a great day :-) > > Sharon McGinness > smcginness1@cox.net > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- http://www.mariental-louis.com/

Hello - on this same subject - where did swatchberra come from? Did our people bring them from Russia? I have been trying to find some to eat with knebble because I am so hungry for them, but when asking on the radio Swap Shop, I never received an answer from anyone. I think the season is just about over now. Thelma Mills On 8/10/07, Marven C Weitzel <marvenw@juno.com> wrote: > > Fred Koch's book, The Volga Germans, has an interesting section on the > crops grown in the colonies. He writes that sugar beets were grown to > meet domestic needs. The settlers processed them into a syrup that > served as a sweetner for many cooking purposes. A sugar beet factory was > established at Anton on the Bergseite, reportedly as early as 1815, and > operated on a commercial scale for sixty years, according to Koch. > It would be no surprise to me if the introduction of sugar beets in this > country were traced back to the Volga Germans. > Koch reports that they also grew wheat, rye, millet, barley, oats and > sunflowers. He says that tobacco culture expanced tremendously for fifty > years starting in 1830. > Orchards were also established, including apples, cherries, wild pears > and other fruits. Not many on the list are too young to remember > grandma's Schnitzsuppe. My grandfather must have brought some of the > sunflower seeds over, because I remember his sunflower garden. > They made their own brew, including beer, whiskey and vodka. My aunt > tells the story of when my grandmother was cooking the grain for a batch > of whiskey. The minister came calling while it was cooking and asked > what the smell was. Grandma told him she was cooking some grain for the > hogs. > > Marven Weitzel > > On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 14:56:40 -0500 "Ward R Richter" > <druquest@earthlink.net> writes: > > All > > > > This listing reminded me that it would be interesting to hear what > > crops > > were grown back in Russia, especially the more unusual ones. My > > family came > > from Schulz and in addition to the usual grains, vegetables, > > watermellons > > and hay, they grew tobacco which was sold to American tobacco > > companies. My > > father drew a picture of their compound with house, barns and two > > tobacco > > sheds. How widespread was tobacco as a crop in other villages? > > > > Ward R Richter > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: ger-volga-bounces@rootsweb.com > > [mailto:ger-volga-bounces@rootsweb.com] > > On Behalf Of Dennis L. Sewald > > Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 2:13 PM > > To: ger-volga@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [GV] Question on GV crops > > > > I was told, but don't know if this is true or not. Is it true the > > GV > > brought with them sugar beets and winter wheat from Russia? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Dennis Sewald > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- http://www.mariental-louis.com/

Does anybody remember having cherry soup ? It was served cold, not hot. My great grand mother Catherine Weibert used to make it . I wish I knew how to make it , boy, was that good ! Charles Parcels --------------------------------- Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when.

Hello - I have been looking through a book loaned to me by John Braun - and I have found the following:(Note spelling of Wittman) Abraham Witman- b. 5/13/1899 - m. 1/22/1917 - d. 10/1974 in San Pablo, CA father: Peter Witman - mother:Catherine Beil Matilda Wilma 2/17/1917 Albert 9/30/1920 Leander 6/18/1923 I tried to find Peter in the book, but have not found any other reference as of yet. some of the other Wittman's were born in Herzog, Russia. Death records in San Pablo might have some information on where his parents come from - sometimes it does. ( I am still loking in this book - it is quite thick.) Keven Rupp would probably have information on this line - hopefully. krupp@ruraltel.net Thelam Mills On 8/10/07, smcginness1@cox.net <smcginness1@cox.net> wrote: > > I am trying to find info re: Peter and Catherine (nee Biel) Wittman. I > don't know what village they came from in Russia. This is what I do know > about them: > > Peter was born in Russia abt. 1853 & died in Leoti, KS on 3 Apr 1936. He > is buried in an unmarked grave in the Marienthal cemetery. > > Catherine was born in Russia 4 Jul 1855. She died 25 Jul 1924 in Leoti, > KS & is also buried in an unmarked grave in the Marienthal cemetery. Her > parents were Jakob Biel and Maria Storm. > > Peter & Catherine came to Victoria, KS on 3 Aug 1876, along with their > daughter, Anna (my great-grandmother). Anna was born 19 Apr 1879 in > Russia. She married John Schupman (alt. sp. Schuckman) on 24 Sep 1904. She > died 25 Nov 1947 in LaCrosse, KS. > > Peter & Catherine's other children, from what I have gleaned from U.S. > Federal Census records, were: > > Peter, b. abt. 1886 > Heinrich, b. 23 Oct 1888 > John, b. abt. 1890 > Joseph, b. 28 Jul 1892 > Maria, b. abt. 1893 > Conrad, b. abt. 1895 > Katherine, b. abt. 1898 > Abraham, b. abt 1899 > > > -- > Have a great day :-) > > Sharon McGinness > smcginness1@cox.net > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- http://www.mariental-louis.com/

The Volga Germans on my father's side of the family were Lutherans from Kratzke & Miller, Russia. I am having a lot of difficulty finding out who my great-grandfather's parents were. He & my great-grandmother were married in the Lutheran church in Milberger, KS, but to my knowledge that church has closed. Can anyone tell me how to go about obtaining church records for a Lutheran church that is now closed? -- Have a great day :-) Sharon McGinness smcginness1@cox.net

In researching my Schupman ancestry on my maternal grandmother's side, I have found the name spelled Schuckmann, Shupeman, Schupman (which is how my grandmother spelled it), Scheepman, Shupman, Schuppman, & Schulman. In the Oct. 29, 1857 census of Schoenchen, Russia, there is a Johann Schulmann/Schuhmann listed who was born in 1851. My question to you more experienced genealogists is, could this Johann Schulmann/Schuhmann be John Joseph Schuckman? I haven't found any Schuckmans, regardless of the spelling, in any of the Volga villages. This is the closest I've come. Your opinions, please? -- Have a great day :-) Sharon McGinness smcginness1@cox.net