The following website shows census data for Russian-German settlements in 1920 by state, religion and area where they came from: _http://www.webbitt.com/volga/usa-population.html_ (http://www.webbitt.com/volga/usa-population.html) Terri Dann, VC, Schoenchen, Russia (with Denise Grau) ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

At one time it was North Dakota Henry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marven C Weitzel" <marvenw@juno.com> To: <volgager4440@yahoo.com> Cc: <ger-volga@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 1:12 PM Subject: Re: [GV] Germans from Russia > Charles, > I betting on Nebraska or Kansas > > On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 08:29:08 -0700 (PDT) Charles Parcels > <volgager4440@yahoo.com> writes: >> I was wondering which state has the most >> German Russian decendants? My guess would Colorado, but I'm really >> not sure. Can anyone help me on this one? >> Charles Parcels >> >> --------------------------------- >> Luggage? GPS? Comic books? >> Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search. >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ________________________________________________________________ Keep unwanted email out. Visit www.spamsubtract.com for more information.

Charles, I betting on Nebraska or Kansas On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 08:29:08 -0700 (PDT) Charles Parcels <volgager4440@yahoo.com> writes: > I was wondering which state has the most > German Russian decendants? My guess would Colorado, but I'm really > not sure. Can anyone help me on this one? > Charles Parcels > > --------------------------------- > Luggage? GPS? Comic books? > Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Excuse me for interupting here: But the "vich" at the end of the name, is an indication he was the "son of Johan". My gr uncle's name was Johann Georg. But on his Russian military papers he was named Georg Friedrickovich, because he was the son of Friedrick. Hope that helps. Suzanne Dodge, Eckheim VC J Welch <jwelch3@verizon.net> wrote: David, Would this theory also apply to a name such as my great-grandfather whose name was "Johannes" but through family stories he was also referred to as "Johanovich" . Is there a hidden clue here? ----- Original Message ----- From: "David F. Schmidt" To: Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 8:21 PM Subject: Re: [GV] GER-VOLGA Digest, Vol 2, Issue 266 > Sharon McGinness asked: > > Can anyone tell me the meaning of "Oddels Michel"? It was apparently a > nickname for my great-great grandfather... > > My response: > > Sharon, I think that is a Beiname, and it could be a very valuable > genealogical clue for you. Let me explain. In the Volga villages, most, > if > not all of the men, had Beinamen. These were like nicknames. They helped > to identify people, especially in Volga villages where there were many men > with the same first name and even several with the same first and last > names. In some cases, the Beinamen referred to a person's physical > characteristics (example: rote Fritz = red Freddy, who had red hair). But > many Beinamen actually were clan names that helped identify the branch or > clan of a family that a person belonged to. > > For example, the Schneiders in Stahl am Karaman were divided into three or > four clans: "die Appels Schneider," "die Vakles (or Frahlers?) Schneider," > and "die Wilhelms Schneider." Evidently, the original Schneider colonist > in > Stahl had three sons. One married a woman named Appel, and their > descendants became "die Appels Schneider." I'm not sure of the > explanation > for "die Vakles Schneider" and "die Wilhelms Schneider," but they referred > to the descendants of the other two sons. Among the Stahl immigrants to > the > U.S., there was one whose Beiname was "Appels Heine." From that, one knew > that he was named Heinrich and that he belonged to the Appels Schneider > clan > (i.e., the descendants of the first Schneider son who married an Appel). > > As for your great-great-grandfather's Beiname (Oddels Michel), I presume > that his name was Michael and that "Oddels" referred to the clan name. It > is likely that the family name had several branches, one of which was > Oddels. A possible explanation is that a man in that branch of the family > married a woman named Oddel. Another possibility is that "Oddel" refers > to > a place name. For example, in Stahl, there was one branch of the Kraus > family referred to as "Wina" or "Wine." My theory is that the original > Kraus colonist from which that branch is descended came from Wien > (Vienna), > Austria. > > The Beinamen are an invaluable tool for Volga German family researchers. > Wherever possible, we should do everything possible to identify and > preserve > the Beinamen for our families and villages. > > David F. Schmidt > Walnut Creek, CA, USA > dfschmidt@astound.net > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.15/949 - Release Date: 8/12/2007 > 11:03 AM > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out.

Dear July, Moskva is the Russian spelling of Moscow. Donna At 12:05 AM 8/13/07, you wrote: >Today's Topics: > > 1. John Hager of Moskva (Judy Langevin) > 2. Re: GER-VOLGA Digest, Vol 2, Issue 266 (David F. Schmidt) > 3. Re: GER-VOLGA Digest, Vol 2, Issue 266 (Nicknames) (J Welch) > 4. Query-answer (RGHTours@aol.com) > 5. Johanovich (Kenny Stugart) > 6. Re: Johanovich (chuber) > 7. Benner (Sasilasiladi@aol.com) > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Message: 1 >Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 02:12:30 +0000 >From: "Judy Langevin" <jrlctryped@hotmail.com> >Subject: [GV] John Hager of Moskva >To: GER-VOLGA@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <BAY130-F341102C6EAFB45AA3B2DFCD6DC0@phx.gbl> >Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed > >Hi; >I am helping my uncle research his family. His health is very poor and he >asked me, knowing I do genealogy, if I could help him find some ancestors. I >have found his grandfather Christian Hager, born June 15, 1874 in Moskva, >Russia in LDS. The record said his father's name was John Morlang and mother >Elizabeth. I know this is the right Christian because it also lists death >date of Oct 4, 1932. Both birth and death dates match the North Dakota death >index for Christ Hager. Christian and his wife Caroline immigrated in 1902. >I have been unable to find them in immigration records. I do not know where >Moskva is. Can anyone help me locate Moskva. There was no other marriage, >birth or death info for Christian or John Hager on LDS website. >Thank you for any help. >Regards, Judy > >_________________________________________________________________ >See what you’re getting into…before you go there >http://newlivehotmail.com/?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_viral_preview_0507 > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 2 >Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 19:21:52 -0800 >From: "David F. Schmidt" <dfschmidt@astound.net> >Subject: Re: [GV] GER-VOLGA Digest, Vol 2, Issue 266 >To: <ger-volga@rootsweb.com> >Message-ID: <000d01c7dd59$1844d320$6601a8c0@DAVIDTERESA> >Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > >Sharon McGinness asked: > >Can anyone tell me the meaning of "Oddels Michel"? It was apparently a >nickname for my great-great grandfather... > >My response: > >Sharon, I think that is a Beiname, and it could be a very valuable >genealogical clue for you. Let me explain. In the Volga villages, most, if >not all of the men, had Beinamen. These were like nicknames. They helped >to identify people, especially in Volga villages where there were many men >with the same first name and even several with the same first and last >names. In some cases, the Beinamen referred to a person's physical >characteristics (example: rote Fritz = red Freddy, who had red hair). But >many Beinamen actually were clan names that helped identify the branch or >clan of a family that a person belonged to. > >For example, the Schneiders in Stahl am Karaman were divided into three or >four clans: "die Appels Schneider," "die Vakles (or Frahlers?) Schneider," >and "die Wilhelms Schneider." Evidently, the original Schneider colonist in >Stahl had three sons. One married a woman named Appel, and their >descendants became "die Appels Schneider." I'm not sure of the explanation >for "die Vakles Schneider" and "die Wilhelms Schneider," but they referred >to the descendants of the other two sons. Among the Stahl immigrants to the >U.S., there was one whose Beiname was "Appels Heine." From that, one knew >that he was named Heinrich and that he belonged to the Appels Schneider clan >(i.e., the descendants of the first Schneider son who married an Appel). > >As for your great-great-grandfather's Beiname (Oddels Michel), I presume >that his name was Michael and that "Oddels" referred to the clan name. It >is likely that the family name had several branches, one of which was >Oddels. A possible explanation is that a man in that branch of the family >married a woman named Oddel. Another possibility is that "Oddel" refers to >a place name. For example, in Stahl, there was one branch of the Kraus >family referred to as "Wina" or "Wine." My theory is that the original >Kraus colonist from which that branch is descended came from Wien (Vienna), >Austria. > >The Beinamen are an invaluable tool for Volga German family researchers. >Wherever possible, we should do everything possible to identify and preserve >the Beinamen for our families and villages. > >David F. Schmidt >Walnut Creek, CA, USA >dfschmidt@astound.net > > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 3 >Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 20:29:57 -0700 >From: "J Welch" <jwelch3@verizon.net> >Subject: Re: [GV] GER-VOLGA Digest, Vol 2, Issue 266 (Nicknames) >To: <ger-volga-l@rootsweb.com> >Cc: "David F. Schmidt" <dfschmidt@astound.net> >Message-ID: <003001c7dd5a$3b5a7e90$2e01a8c0@jlw> > >David, >Would this theory also apply to a name such as my great-grandfather whose >name was "Johannes" but through family stories he was also referred to as >"Johanovich" . Is there a hidden clue here? > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "David F. Schmidt" <dfschmidt@astound.net> >To: <ger-volga@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 8:21 PM >Subject: Re: [GV] GER-VOLGA Digest, Vol 2, Issue 266 > > > > Sharon McGinness asked: > > > > Can anyone tell me the meaning of "Oddels Michel"? It was apparently a > > nickname for my great-great grandfather... > > > > My response: > > > > Sharon, I think that is a Beiname, and it could be a very valuable > > genealogical clue for you. Let me explain. In the Volga villages, most, > > if > > not all of the men, had Beinamen. These were like nicknames. They helped > > to identify people, especially in Volga villages where there were many men > > with the same first name and even several with the same first and last > > names. In some cases, the Beinamen referred to a person's physical > > characteristics (example: rote Fritz = red Freddy, who had red hair). But > > many Beinamen actually were clan names that helped identify the branch or > > clan of a family that a person belonged to. > > > > For example, the Schneiders in Stahl am Karaman were divided into three or > > four clans: "die Appels Schneider," "die Vakles (or Frahlers?) Schneider," > > and "die Wilhelms Schneider." Evidently, the original Schneider colonist > > in > > Stahl had three sons. One married a woman named Appel, and their > > descendants became "die Appels Schneider." I'm not sure of the > > explanation > > for "die Vakles Schneider" and "die Wilhelms Schneider," but they referred > > to the descendants of the other two sons. Among the Stahl immigrants to > > the > > U.S., there was one whose Beiname was "Appels Heine." From that, one knew > > that he was named Heinrich and that he belonged to the Appels Schneider > > clan > > (i.e., the descendants of the first Schneider son who married an Appel). > > > > As for your great-great-grandfather's Beiname (Oddels Michel), I presume > > that his name was Michael and that "Oddels" referred to the clan name. It > > is likely that the family name had several branches, one of which was > > Oddels. A possible explanation is that a man in that branch of the family > > married a woman named Oddel. Another possibility is that "Oddel" refers > > to > > a place name. For example, in Stahl, there was one branch of the Kraus > > family referred to as "Wina" or "Wine." My theory is that the original > > Kraus colonist from which that branch is descended came from Wien > > (Vienna), > > Austria. > > > > The Beinamen are an invaluable tool for Volga German family researchers. > > Wherever possible, we should do everything possible to identify and > > preserve > > the Beinamen for our families and villages. > > > > David F. Schmidt > > Walnut Creek, CA, USA > > dfschmidt@astound.net > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.15/949 - Release Date: 8/12/2007 > > 11:03 AM > > > > > > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 4 >Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 00:06:17 EDT >From: RGHTours@aol.com >Subject: [GV] Query-answer >To: GER-VOLGA-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <c4e.1ae7a027.33f132b9@aol.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > >Judy: > >Moskva is Russian for Moscow. > >John > > > >************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at >http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 5 >Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 21:30:19 -0700 >From: Kenny Stugart <iamken11@att.net> >Subject: [GV] Johanovich >To: German Roots <GER-VOLGA-L@rootsweb.com> >Message-ID: <46BFDE5B.20303@att.net> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > >Johanovich means his father is Johannes > >Kenny > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 6 >Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 00:39:01 -0400 >From: "chuber" <chuber@tbaytel.net> >Subject: Re: [GV] Johanovich >To: "German Roots" <GER-VOLGA-L@rootsweb.com> >Message-ID: <010601c7dd63$e0288080$e20fd3d8@cliffhub> > >Yes. > >Similar to the Irish "O' Kelly" meaning son of Kelly, the Slavs used "O >vich" translating into, >"Oh!" Vich name shall I choose?" > >the best >Cliff of the Lydiatt, Manitoba, Hubers, Steinhauers, and Ottos. > >ps - Johannes, often used on baptismal records, is Latin for Johan. > > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 7 >Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 01:29:26 EDT >From: Sasilasiladi@aol.com >Subject: [GV] Benner >To: GER-VOLGA-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <c9e.10c4988b.33f14636@aol.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > >Is there a way of finding history on the Benners and Lienwebers who lived in >YP >connie > > > >************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at >http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > > >------------------------------ > >To contact the GER-VOLGA list administrator, send an email to >GER-VOLGA-admin@rootsweb.com. > >To post a message to the GER-VOLGA mailing list, send an email to >GER-VOLGA@rootsweb.com. > >__________________________________________________________ >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com >with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body >of the >email with no additional text. > > >End of GER-VOLGA Digest, Vol 2, Issue 267 >*****************************************

I was wondering which state has the most German Russian decendants? My guess would Colorado, but I'm really not sure. Can anyone help me on this one? Charles Parcels --------------------------------- Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search.

Hi; I am helping my uncle research his family. His health is very poor and he asked me, knowing I do genealogy, if I could help him find some ancestors. I have found his grandfather Christian Hager, born June 15, 1874 in Moskva, Russia in LDS. The record said his father's name was John Morlang and mother Elizabeth. I know this is the right Christian because it also lists death date of Oct 4, 1932. Both birth and death dates match the North Dakota death index for Christ Hager. Christian and his wife Caroline immigrated in 1902. I have been unable to find them in immigration records. I do not know where Moskva is. Can anyone help me locate Moskva. There was no other marriage, birth or death info for Christian or John Hager on LDS website. Thank you for any help. Regards, Judy _________________________________________________________________ See what you’re getting into…before you go there http://newlivehotmail.com/?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_viral_preview_0507

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Yes. Similar to the Irish "O' Kelly" meaning son of Kelly, the Slavs used "O vich" translating into, "Oh!" Vich name shall I choose?" the best Cliff of the Lydiatt, Manitoba, Hubers, Steinhauers, and Ottos. ps - Johannes, often used on baptismal records, is Latin for Johan.

Judy: Moskva is Russian for Moscow. John ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

Johanovich means his father is Johannes Kenny

David, Would this theory also apply to a name such as my great-grandfather whose name was "Johannes" but through family stories he was also referred to as "Johanovich" . Is there a hidden clue here? ----- Original Message ----- From: "David F. Schmidt" <dfschmidt@astound.net> To: <ger-volga@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 8:21 PM Subject: Re: [GV] GER-VOLGA Digest, Vol 2, Issue 266 > Sharon McGinness asked: > > Can anyone tell me the meaning of "Oddels Michel"? It was apparently a > nickname for my great-great grandfather... > > My response: > > Sharon, I think that is a Beiname, and it could be a very valuable > genealogical clue for you. Let me explain. In the Volga villages, most, > if > not all of the men, had Beinamen. These were like nicknames. They helped > to identify people, especially in Volga villages where there were many men > with the same first name and even several with the same first and last > names. In some cases, the Beinamen referred to a person's physical > characteristics (example: rote Fritz = red Freddy, who had red hair). But > many Beinamen actually were clan names that helped identify the branch or > clan of a family that a person belonged to. > > For example, the Schneiders in Stahl am Karaman were divided into three or > four clans: "die Appels Schneider," "die Vakles (or Frahlers?) Schneider," > and "die Wilhelms Schneider." Evidently, the original Schneider colonist > in > Stahl had three sons. One married a woman named Appel, and their > descendants became "die Appels Schneider." I'm not sure of the > explanation > for "die Vakles Schneider" and "die Wilhelms Schneider," but they referred > to the descendants of the other two sons. Among the Stahl immigrants to > the > U.S., there was one whose Beiname was "Appels Heine." From that, one knew > that he was named Heinrich and that he belonged to the Appels Schneider > clan > (i.e., the descendants of the first Schneider son who married an Appel). > > As for your great-great-grandfather's Beiname (Oddels Michel), I presume > that his name was Michael and that "Oddels" referred to the clan name. It > is likely that the family name had several branches, one of which was > Oddels. A possible explanation is that a man in that branch of the family > married a woman named Oddel. Another possibility is that "Oddel" refers > to > a place name. For example, in Stahl, there was one branch of the Kraus > family referred to as "Wina" or "Wine." My theory is that the original > Kraus colonist from which that branch is descended came from Wien > (Vienna), > Austria. > > The Beinamen are an invaluable tool for Volga German family researchers. > Wherever possible, we should do everything possible to identify and > preserve > the Beinamen for our families and villages. > > David F. Schmidt > Walnut Creek, CA, USA > dfschmidt@astound.net > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.15/949 - Release Date: 8/12/2007 > 11:03 AM > >

First, let me say that I am not a medically trained person. Have read quite a bit of medical stuff, but as they say, that reading and 3.50 will buy me a cup of coffee at Starbuck's. And I'm quite sure that those who know more about this topic will add much more (please flame gently). Here's my theory: from the beginning of mankind (OK, people kind if you are too sensitive) our bodies were designed to do physical work, generally outside, but physical nonetheless. This went on for kajillions of years: working hard outside, killing the occasional bear, dying of relatively minor infections by today's standards, eating food that would support that kind of lifestyle. Then, roughly, 70 - 100 years ago (pick your date) which was at the very tail end of our existence - probably representing a tiny fraction of our existence, everything changed. This was a good thing. Specialization of labor. Industrialization. Time for the Arts. Personal productivity skyrocketing. The bad news is that we were stuck with these low tech bodies designed for hard work, killing the occasional bear, and meant to be used up at, say, 50 years of age. The posterior of which was hardly used 10,000 years ago, and now it's the butt of all kinds of jokes as well as admiration in some quarters. Again, I'm no anthropologist, but I've never seen cave drawings in which the characters are sitting. They probably exist somewhere. And, now instead of dying from simple infections, we die from not using the heart enough or some other part that really wasn't designed to last as long as we want it to in today's world. So, what's the answer? About another kajillion years of evolution in which we lose some fingers, our head gets bigger, our legs become tiny spindly things - I don't know about the butt, etc. Anyway, that's my $.02 worth. Have a great week everybody! Ken (Rohr, Dreher, Staab) Worry looks around, sorry looks back, faith looks up. Have Faith. ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

Sharon McGinness asked: Can anyone tell me the meaning of "Oddels Michel"? It was apparently a nickname for my great-great grandfather... My response: Sharon, I think that is a Beiname, and it could be a very valuable genealogical clue for you. Let me explain. In the Volga villages, most, if not all of the men, had Beinamen. These were like nicknames. They helped to identify people, especially in Volga villages where there were many men with the same first name and even several with the same first and last names. In some cases, the Beinamen referred to a person's physical characteristics (example: rote Fritz = red Freddy, who had red hair). But many Beinamen actually were clan names that helped identify the branch or clan of a family that a person belonged to. For example, the Schneiders in Stahl am Karaman were divided into three or four clans: "die Appels Schneider," "die Vakles (or Frahlers?) Schneider," and "die Wilhelms Schneider." Evidently, the original Schneider colonist in Stahl had three sons. One married a woman named Appel, and their descendants became "die Appels Schneider." I'm not sure of the explanation for "die Vakles Schneider" and "die Wilhelms Schneider," but they referred to the descendants of the other two sons. Among the Stahl immigrants to the U.S., there was one whose Beiname was "Appels Heine." From that, one knew that he was named Heinrich and that he belonged to the Appels Schneider clan (i.e., the descendants of the first Schneider son who married an Appel). As for your great-great-grandfather's Beiname (Oddels Michel), I presume that his name was Michael and that "Oddels" referred to the clan name. It is likely that the family name had several branches, one of which was Oddels. A possible explanation is that a man in that branch of the family married a woman named Oddel. Another possibility is that "Oddel" refers to a place name. For example, in Stahl, there was one branch of the Kraus family referred to as "Wina" or "Wine." My theory is that the original Kraus colonist from which that branch is descended came from Wien (Vienna), Austria. The Beinamen are an invaluable tool for Volga German family researchers. Wherever possible, we should do everything possible to identify and preserve the Beinamen for our families and villages. David F. Schmidt Walnut Creek, CA, USA dfschmidt@astound.net

I know of 5 cookbooks at present that in my opinion stand out for the quantity and quality of their Volga German recipes. Here are the titles along with publishers. Das Schmeckt Goot (Published by the Catholic parish of St. Peter, Kansas; I do not know whether it is still in print.) -- Although this cookbook only has a German foods section, the recipes are authentic, as one would get in a Catholic VG household in western Kansas. Das Essen Unserer Leute (contact the Sunflower Chapter of AHSGR) -- Irene Dortland of Walker, Kansas, asked cooks from all the Catholic VG towns in Ellis County, Kansas, to donate recipes for this cookbook, which was published, in observance of the 100th anniversary of the VGs' arrival in the county. It is arranged by town. Some of the instructions in the recipes are sketchy and there are a few recipes that are not really Volga German. But overall, it is a valuable reference. Kueche Kochen (contact the AHSGR home office in Lincoln, Neb.) -- A valuable reference, since this cookbook was compiled when AHSGR was in its youth, with recipes from VG cooks throughout the USA, but especially Colorado. The contributor of each recipe is identified by the colony where she or her parents immigrated from, predominantly Lutheran or Reformed. Sei Unser Gast (contact the North Star Chapter, AHSGR) -- I am prejudiced about this cookbook, because I contributed or collected the Volga German recipes in it as we as edited. Two things I don't like is that one must search each chapter for the VG recipes and the names of the contributors are not included (but their home colonies are, when known). The recipes are authentic to the best of my knowledge. I am confident of that because they are based on personal experience (I grew up eating the stuff and learning to make it) and because I wrote them down after I interviewed Volga German cooks from Ellis County or as my mother and I prepared them to get proper measurements. I would have liked to have worked with more cooks from the Lutheran and Reformed VG colonies, though, and these are probably underrepresented. Value Meals on the Volga -- I only recently obtained this cookbook, which reflects one VG family's cooking traditions. The recipes are authentic. There are undoubtedly many cookbooks with small sections of VG recipes in them and one often runs across a VG recipe in chapters devoted to various kinds of foods. There are many cookbooks, too, that deal with the cooking traditions of the Germans from South Russia, the Ukraine, Bessarabia, and Volhynia as well as the GR Mennonites. ---------------------------------------- > Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 19:46:13 -0500 > From: dr03@txstate.edu > To: amb0457@cox.net; lrbrantner@yahoo.com; ger-volga@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [GV] Cookbooks > > One of the best is _Sei unser Gast_ put out by the Minneapolis chapter of AHSGR. I have found none finer. > > Dona > > ________________________________ > > From: ger-volga-bounces@rootsweb.com on behalf of Anna Bartkowski > Sent: Sat 8/11/2007 6:19 PM > To: 'Lauren Brantner'; ger-volga@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [GV] Cookbooks > > > > The North Dakota site lists cookbooks and cookbook reviews in addition to > recipes. The site features color photos of cookbook cover. Here's the > link. > > http://www.lib.ndsu.nodak.edu/grhc/order/cookbooks/cookbooklist.html > > Of course, my favorite is > Value Meals on the Volga: Sharing our Heritage with New Generations, > because it details my family's GR recipes. My maternal grandparents were > Lutherans from the village of Reinwald. My paternal grandparents were > Catholics from Mariental. Thanks to Allison Thompson of the Sheboygan Press > for her review. > > Anna Dalhaimer Bartkowski > > -----Original Message----- > From: ger-volga-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ger-volga-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Lauren Brantner > Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 3:01 PM > To: ger-volga@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [GV] Cookbooks > > There is a cookbook Kuche Kochen published by AHSGR that remains today a > best seller in our Chapter book sales. I believe it was compiled in the > 1970's by a lot of cooks who are no longer with us. Check at AHSGR and > you'll find it and at least one other recently published. I also recommend > the North Star Chapter cookbook Sie Unser Gast Sam commented on in his note > earlier. It is also a good seller in our Chapter. I have always wished that > I could find some of the other cookbooks - I know some were published in > Kansas, Nebraska and other locations, but I never had an opportunity to > purchase one. Those on the list who know of others that are still on sale, > please let us know what they are and where to get them. Some church > cookbooks are good - but they are rarely just GR recipes. > > Lauren Brantner >

I agree with your theroy 100% ! To stay alive: stay away from sugar, salt,use olive oil instead of butter, stay away from all chemical additives, eat a balanced meal,do moderate walking, take selenium to prevent prostrate cancer, & fish oil . " Then pray you don't get hit by a truck . Charles Parcels KLpelzel@aol.com wrote: First, let me say that I am not a medically trained person. Have read quite a bit of medical stuff, but as they say, that reading and 3.50 will buy me a cup of coffee at Starbuck's. And I'm quite sure that those who know more about this topic will add much more (please flame gently). Here's my theory: from the beginning of mankind (OK, people kind if you are too sensitive) our bodies were designed to do physical work, generally outside, but physical nonetheless. This went on for kajillions of years: working hard outside, killing the occasional bear, dying of relatively minor infections by today's standards, eating food that would support that kind of lifestyle. Then, roughly, 70 - 100 years ago (pick your date) which was at the very tail end of our existence - probably representing a tiny fraction of our existence, everything changed. This was a good thing. Specialization of labor. Industrialization. Time for the Arts. Personal productivity skyrocketing. The bad news is that we were stuck with these low tech bodies designed for hard work, killing the occasional bear, and meant to be used up at, say, 50 years of age. The posterior of which was hardly used 10,000 years ago, and now it's the butt of all kinds of jokes as well as admiration in some quarters. Again, I'm no anthropologist, but I've never seen cave drawings in which the characters are sitting. They probably exist somewhere. And, now instead of dying from simple infections, we die from not using the heart enough or some other part that really wasn't designed to last as long as we want it to in today's world. So, what's the answer? About another kajillion years of evolution in which we lose some fingers, our head gets bigger, our legs become tiny spindly things - I don't know about the butt, etc. Anyway, that's my $.02 worth. Have a great week everybody! Ken (Rohr, Dreher, Staab) Worry looks around, sorry looks back, faith looks up. Have Faith. ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out.

Can anyone tell me the meaning of "Oddels Michel"? It was apparently a nickname for my great-great grandfather... -- Have a great day :-) Sharon McGinness smcginness1@cox.net

Yes, I definitely want one. Sharon McGinness smcginness1@cox.net ---- Kevin Rupp <krupp@ruraltel.net> wrote: ============= Our Sunflwoer Chapter had a cookbook for sale that the local Volga German Centennial Association had compiled for the 100th anniversary. The book was called "Das Essen Unere Leute" The book sold for $20.00 if any one is interested let me know. Shipping would run about $3.00. Kevin -- Kevin Rupp 2301 Canal Blvd Hays, Ks. 67601 krupp@ruraltel.net www.volgagerman.net volgagerman@ruraltel.net > From: Lauren Brantner <lrbrantner@yahoo.com> > Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 15:01:18 -0700 (PDT) > To: <ger-volga@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [GV] Cookbooks > > There is a cookbook Kuche Kochen published by AHSGR that remains today a best > seller in our Chapter book sales. I believe it was compiled in the 1970's by a > lot of cooks who are no longer with us. Check at AHSGR and you'll find it and > at least one other recently published. I also recommend the North Star > Chapter cookbook Sie Unser Gast Sam commented on in his note earlier. It is > also a good seller in our Chapter. I have always wished that I could find > some of the other cookbooks - I know some were published in Kansas, Nebraska > and other locations, but I never had an opportunity to purchase one. Those on > the list who know of others that are still on sale, please let us know what > they are and where to get them. Some church cookbooks are good - but they are > rarely just GR recipes. > > Lauren Brantner > > > --------------------------------- > Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, > when. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Have a great day :-) Sharon McGinness smcginness1@cox.net

Here are some pictures of schwartzbeeren berries and plants: http://volga.germansfromrussia.org:8000/schwartzbeeren/ maggiehein wrote: > So, the "Schwartzbeeren" you guys have been talking about is not the "Blackberry" that I could buy in any American grocery store, but those little round black berries that grow on the nightshade plant? We had Nightshade growing in our Northern Illinois yard when I was a kid. I always wondered why people said it was poisonous because I ate a lot of the berries when I was a kid with no ill effects. We must have had the non-poisonous variety you have been talking about. We didn't make them into jam, though, as we did with all of the other bush and tree fruits that we grew. They were a weed as far as my father (the child of GV immigrants) was concerned! > > -----Original Message----- > >> From: frank jacobs <fjacobs@cox.net> >> Sent: Aug 11, 2007 11:21 PM >> To: Thelma Mills <thelma.mills@gmail.com>, List <Ger-Volga-L@rootsweb.com> >> Cc: ger-volga@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [GV] Question on GV crops >> >> I've always been interested in the ways culture, customs and traditions >> disseminate among various >> peoples. The Swartzberren , the European black nightshade , as contrasted >> with the toxic American nightshade, >> was populated all over Ellis County , Kansas between the various VG >> colonies. I spent a summer in high school >> working for the City of Hays Public works dept, among other things watering >> and fertilizing the pubic park trees. >> There was alway a prolific crop of swartzberren and volunteer tomatos where >> ever the city tended the trees. >> >> I had a theory where they originated, but just speculation. Perhaps >> somebody has a more specific source. >> >> I sent some Ellis County seeds to a lady on the list in California, whose >> family came from Nebraska and originally >> > >from the Paulskoje VG village. She knew the plant well. What caught my > >> interest was that my Obermonjou >> Klaus family was forced to winter over in her ancestoral village when >> they first arrived in Russia. >> Kuhlberg noted, They arrived at the Volga on Aug 17, 1766, and were >> temporarily, until spring >> 1768, settled in Paulskaja colony. I am not making any claim of >> introduction to Kansas of the swartzberren, >> only noting that two seperate colonists whose ancestors crossed paths over >> 200 years ago in Russia picked up >> the cultivation of this partricular crop. They had little or no contact >> later, and were in different states, with >> different religous associations yet had the common cultivation. >> Speculation is that they were exposed to the >> crop in Russia, either at a common location or in the general region. >> >> Frank Jacobs >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Thelma Mills" <thelma.mills@gmail.com> >> To: "Marven C Weitzel" <marvenw@juno.com> >> Cc: <ger-volga@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 9:29 AM >> Subject: Re: [GV] Question on GV crops >> >> >> >>> Hello - on this same subject - where did swatchberra come from? Did our >>> people bring them from Russia? I have been trying to find some to eat with >>> knebble because I am so hungry for them, but when asking on the radio Swap >>> Shop, I never received an answer from anyone. I think the season is just >>> about over now. Thelma Mills >>> >>> >>> >>> http://www.mariental-louis.com/ >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Not sure about the Beets, but they did bring the wheat seed. The strain was / is called Turkey Red - not Turkish Red by the way. Pretty good descriptions of it in "The Worst Hard Time", and "Conquering the Wind" Ken ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour