LaJunta Tribune Democrat LaJunta, Colorado Wednesday, August 8 Services for Katherine Zimmerman, "Katie" as she was known to most, were held at Roselawn Cemetery in Pueblo, Friday, Aug. 3, 2007. Mrs. Zimmerman died on July 31, 2007 at St. Mary-Corwin Hospital in Pueblo, at the age of 87. She was born on May 15, 1920 in Sugar City, to George and Emma Gerlock. She was one of eight children. She was married to Loren J. Zimmerman. Mrs. Zimmerman worked at Parkview Hospital Cafeteria in Pueblo for many years until her age, health and past hard work took it's toll on her. She was preceeded in death by four of her siblings, Martha Meecham, Sarah Koehler, George Gerlock Jr., and Emma Dodd, and her husband, Loren J. Zimmerman. Mrs. Zimmerman is survived by three of her siblings, Fred Gerlock and wife Frances, Eddie Gerlock, and Lindy Dodd, grandchildren and great grandchildren, nieces & nephews. *********************************************************************** Elaine McDowell http://www.ancestrylocator.com A site set up to help find your ancestors by using the forum or gallery. Come join in, and it is a free site.

Norfork Nebraska newspaper Saturday, August 18, 2007 Evelyn VanBuren VERDIGRE - Memorial services for Evelyn M. VanBuren, 85, of Verdigre will be at 2:30 p.m. Saturday at Brockhaus Funeral Home here. Burial will be in the Jelen Cemetery in Verdigre. Visitation will begin two hours prior to services. Mrs. VanBuren died Thursday, Aug. 16, 2007, at St. Michael's Hospital in Tyndall, S.D. Evelyn Mary (Wilhelm) VanBuren was born on May 26, 1922, on a farm 12 miles west of Verdigre, known at that time as the John Jelen farm. She was a twin daughter of Louis and Belle (Winchell) Wilhelm. At the age of four years her family moved to a farm nine miles west of Verdigre. Evelyn attended country School District 66 through the eighth grade. She helped on the family farm and worked as a hired girl to help the neighbor families. When her brother Dave went into the service Evelyn helped with his farm until his return home in 1945. At that time Evelyn was employed at Felix's Cafe. This is where she met her future husband and was married to Ben VanBuren on May 7, 1952. She lived all her married life on the family farm three miles northwest of Verdigre. To this union three children were born, Benjie, Bruce and Isabelle. Evelyn enjoyed life on the farm raising chickens, growing flowers and vegetables. She enjoyed canning and freezing her garden produce. Evelyn loved her children and grandchildren. After her husband's death in 2001, Evelyn stayed on the farm with her son Benjie. She is survived by her two sons, Benjie and Bruce VanBuren of Verdigre; a daughter, Isabelle Knori of Niobrara; two grandsons, B.J. and Brandon VanBuren of Verdigre; a granddaughter, Robyn VanBuren of Yankton, S.D.; twin sister, Irene Frank of Verdigre; a niece, Darlene and husband Ken Porter of Norfolk. Evelyn was preceded in death by her parents; her husband, Ben; her brothers, Floyd and Dave; her sisters, Faye and Fern; a son-in-law, Larry Knori; and a daughter-in-law, Roxann VanBuren. She will be greatly missed by all who knew her. The Rev. Cynthia Prather will officiate *********************************************************************** Elaine McDowell http://www.ancestrylocator.com A site set up to help find your ancestors by using the forum or gallery. Come join in, and it is a free site.

Norfork Nebraska newspaper Saturday, August 18, 2007 Eva Hummel OSMOND - Services for Eva Hummel, 85, Osmond, will be at 10 a.m. Saturday at Ashburn Funeral Home here. Burial will be in the Osmond City Cemetery. Visitation will be 5-8 p.m. Friday at the Ashburn Funeral Home in Osmond. She died Wednesday, Aug. 15, 2007, at Arbor Manor in Fremont. Eva Loena Hummel was born Aug. 9, 1922, to parents William and Zella (Tennant) Koening in Gettsburg, S.D. Eva was educated at Osmond Public School and graduated from the 12th grade. On May 22, 1942, Eva married Myron Hummel. Eva worked as a housewife and bookkeeper for her husband, Myron. Survivors include two children, Larry and his wife LaVonne Hummel of Osmond, and Wayne and his wife Connie Hummel of Fremont; four grandchildren; six great-grandchildren; and one great-great-granddaughter; and a brother, Elvin Koening and his wife, Adene of Lincoln. Eva was preceded in death by her parents, husband Myron and a son, Richard. *********************************************************************** Elaine McDowell http://www.ancestrylocator.com A site set up to help find your ancestors by using the forum or gallery. Come join in, and it is a free site.

Journal Advocate Sterling, Colorado 08-18-2007 Ruth I. (Yack) Dominise Oct. 25, 1925 - Aug. 16, 2007 Ruth I. (Yack) Dominise, 81, of Sterling, died Aug. 16, 2007, in Sterling. Mass of Christian Burial will be held at 10 a.m. Monday, Aug. 20, at St. Anthony Catholic Church with the Rev. Robert L. Wedow officiating. There was cremation. Inurnment will be at Riverside Cemetery. Mrs. Dominise was born Oct. 25, 1925, to Jacob and Elizabeth (Meininger) Loose in Fort Morgan. She lived a full life surrounded by family and this was her greatest love of all. One of her many favorite pastimes, remembered by many, are the times she argued politics with her son, Paul. Mrs. Dominise is survived by her daughter, Linda Mitchell and husband Brian; son, Paul Yack and wife Gay; brothers, Richard, Jerry, Robert and Mike Loose; sisters, Barb Siegal, Sandra Giest and Susan Burck; eight grandchildren; nine great-grandchildren; and many close friends. She was preceded in death by her husband, Leonard Yack; husband, Earl "Domie" Dominise; son, Tim Yack; grandson, Jason Mitchell; brother, Roy Loose; and sister, Janet Owl. Memorial contributions may be made to the Ruth Dominise Memorial in care of Chaney-Reager Funeral Home. --- *********************************************************************** Elaine McDowell http://www.ancestrylocator.com A site set up to help find your ancestors by using the forum or gallery. Come join in, and it is a free site.

Ellen, Here is the first group of Schneiders I found in the Valle Maria records. Valle Maria was a city made up of people from Marienthal, Herzog, Obermonjou and other wiesenseite Russian villages. The latter entries show Neu Obermonjou, a Russian daughter colony located close to Neu Marienthal in Russia. -------------------------------------------------------------- COLÔNIA ALVEAR - Valle Maria casamentos a partir de 10 de janeiro de 1881 a set. de 1927 no período de junho de 1881 a 1883, os registro estão na Igreja de Diamante. 1891 e de setembro de 1893 a maio de 1895 , também, nada constava. COLÔNIA SAN JOSÉ - CRESPO batismos de 1891 a 1897 e alguns óbitos de julho de 1892 a 1911 casamentos a partir de 1891 até maio de 1927 1.1 GOTTLIEB (Amadeo) SCHNEIDER e ANNA MARIA KAHUL 2.1 Adam Schneider (Cr.03-MAI-1905) e Teresa Becher *R. 1882 -+Arg. *R. 1888 -+Arg. 2.2 Alexander Scnheider (Cr.10-SET-1907) e Bárbara Appelhans *R. 1883 -+Arg. *Arg. 1891 -+Arg. 2.3 Franz A. Schndeider (Cr.23-ABR-1907) e Katharinna Rost *R. 1886 -+Arg. *R. 1890 -+Arg. 2.4 Ana Schneider (Cr.23-ABR-1907) e Juan Metz *Arg. 1891 -+Arg. *Arg. 1885 -+Arg. 2.5 Ana Maria Schneider *Arg.25-SET-1895-+Arg. 1.1 JOHANNES SCHNEIDER e BARBARA HABERCKORN 2.1 Magdalena Schneider (VM-01-MAI-1893) e Johann Peter Rückert *R. 1875 -+Arg. *R. 1871 -+Arg. 1.1 ? SCHNEIDER 2.1 Theophilo Schneider e Anna Maria Kahul 3.1 Michael Schneider (Cr.31-AGO-1915) e Perpetua Rost *R. 1888 -+Arg. *R. 1898 -+Arg. 1.1 JOSEPH SCHNEIDER e MATHILADA DÖRFLER 2.1 Katharinna Schneider (Cr.17-SET-1920) e Johannes Rochel # * Neu-Ober Monjou/R. 1898 -+Arg. *Josefestal/R. 1897 -+Arg. 2.2 Anna Schneider (Cr.08-MAI-1919) e Jakob Rochel # *Neu-Ober Monjou/R. 1902 -+Arg. *Josefestal/R. 1897 -+Arg. --------------------------------------------------------------- The above entry mentions Josefestal, a bergeseite Russian village located next to Marienfeld, Russia where the Stangs I mention previously were prior to going to Argentina, Topeka, Kansas and then Saskatchewan. Frank jacobs ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ellen Gaboury" <bjgaboury@sasktel.net> To: "frank jacobs" <fjacobs@cox.net> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 10:19 AM Subject: Re: [GV] Schneider/Zimmerman families Mariental, Samara, Russia > Hi Frank, > > Thanks for the information on the different Mariental's. I haven't looked > at Argentina for Schneider's but it would be a good place to check. > > I think Canada became more aggressive with their immigration advertising > as time went on but not as early as the US. Saskatchewan didn't become a > province until 1905 and then that wasn't the entire province as it is > known today. > St. Walburg was very new in 1908. > We are related to people in Kansas but the connection is back quite a few > generations.

I have a question: Does anyone know if there is a 1815, 1835, 1850, 1857 Census for the village of Grimm that would include the Dumler Surnames? I appreciate any help. Shelby

Hello, I am new to this list and have a few questions. I looked at the web site "Volga Germans" and found a list of villages and their respective coordinators. However, the villages I need more information about do not have coordinators right now. Does anyone on this list have information about the villages of Mueller (or muller) and Stephan? In particular, I am looking for information about my great-grandparents and their ancestors, the villages' censuses, etc. My great grandfather George Funk was born in Stephan, Saratov, Russia, on 4 May 1888. His original name may have been Georg or Johann Georg. He may have had a brother named Friedrick. George's father was named Conrad Funk and his mother was named Bertha. I do not know her maiden name. According to a 1798 census of Stephan, a Funk lived in the village, so perhaps this Funk is one of my ancestors. My great grandmother Amelia Usinger was born in Mueller (or muller), Saratov, Russia, on 1 Feb 1890. Her father was named George Usinger and her mother was named Mary Elizabeth. I don't know her maiden name. One of the 113 original settlers of Mueller is Johann Usinger. It is possible this Usinger is also one of my ancestors. In 1908, while in Russia, George and Amelia had a daughter named Amelia, Jr., and sometime before or during 1909 they moved to Germany. They then emigrated to the U.S. by ship in 1909, possibly with his unverified brother Friedrick, and eventually settled in Yakima County, Washington by 1920. Does anyone on this list have access to the censuses or vital records of the villages of Mueller and Stephan, or any information about my great-great-grandparents? I understand that the vital records were kept by churches and it looks like there are several archives in Russia that have those records that have survived. Does anyone have experience or advice that they are willing to share on obtaining records or information from these archives, or where and how I should continue my search? I would appreciate any help that you can provide. Thank you, Sean

Greeley Tribune Greeley, Colorado 08-16-2007 Robert Knaus Feb. 6. 1914-Aug. 13, 2007 Age: 93 Residence: Fort Lupton Tribute: Born in Eaton to German Russian immigrants, Reinhart and Susanna Knaus, Robert Knaus spent his boyhood in Bracewell in Weld County, where his parents were farmers. He attended school in Bracewell. Mr. Knaus and his wife, Catherine Held, married Jan. 25, 1935, in Windsor and later moved their farming operations to Greeley. A daughter, Lorna Arlene, was born in 1936. In 1941, they moved to Snyder in Morgan County. A son Robert Wallace was born in 1947, and a second son, Stanley Eugene, was born in 1952. The family continued to farm in the Snyder area until Mr. Knaus retired in 1979. They made their home in Fort Morgan until moving to Fort Lupton in 1996. As a young man, Mr. Knaus became active in the life of his community and his church. He served as a school board member, a 4-H Leader, Sunday school teacher and superintendent, church board member, youth fellowship leader and lay preacher. At the time of his death, he was a member of the First United Methodist Church of Fort Lupton. Mr. Knaus died Monday at Centennial Health Care Center in Greeley. Survivors: His wife, Catherine; daughter, Lorna; two sons, Robert and Stanley; 11 grandchildren; 16 great-grandchildren; and three great-great-grandchildren. Preceded in death by: His parents, five sisters, two brothers and a grandson. Services: 11 a.m. Saturday at the First United Methodist Church in Fort Lupton. Interment: Sunset Memorial Gardens, Greeley. Notes: Instead of flowers, the family requests donations be made to the Alzheimer's Association. Pedersen Funeral Home in Fort Lupton is in charge of arrangements. ************************************************************ http://www.ancestrylocator.com A site set up to help find your ancestors by using the forum or gallery. Come join in, and it is a free site.

Hello Ellen, I want to share some information about the migrations from Russia to the USA. This may not apply to your case but there are some possibilities you may want to be aware of. First there are 3 Marienthals from the same village. One is in Russia , another in Kansas and another in Argentina. This applied to several other villages like this which drew from the original colony. There was considerable movement from Argentina to Kansas, and also some of the Argentina traffic did not stop at Kansas but continued on further to Saskatchewan. The migrations were not all at once. The first ones were in the 1875-76 (my paternal grandmother) ,later ones were in the 1890 (my grandfather's), the early 1900s, (1912 younger brother of my grandparents came of age and wanted to join the family in USA), and the whole period from 1900 until the revolution and the closing of the borders in the 1920s. In general, the earlier the migration, the more options and the better picking of the agriculture land. While Canada had its own attraction, I do not believe it was a first choice migration or was not advertised abroad as aggressively as the land held by the transcontinental USA railroads. I do know there were Canadian ports which were used as a staging point for USA entry later , for parties who were turned away at USA ports, people who wanted to rejoin relatives in the USA. Back to my original point. I do know the Stang family from Marienfeld, Russia ( an expansion colony of Pfeifer) went to Argentina, came to Kansas to Topeka where there were and still are Stangs living, and then went on to live in Saskatchewan. My point being, if you are looking for people from Marienthal, Russia, you may also wish to look at the early Argentine census, particularly Entre Rios and Coronel Suarez provinces. Good luck Frank Jacobs, Topeka From: "Ellen Gaboury" <bjgaboury@sasktel.net> To: <GER-VOLGA@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 11:08 AM Subject: [GV] Schneider/Zimmerman families Mariental, Samara, Russia > They was a possibility that they had looked at Kansas according to one of > the family stories but ended up here instead. However they have/had > relativews in Kansas because my grandfather in law August Schneider went > to the Kansas area to visit relatives and when he returned to Canada was > forever after known as "Yankee" > They were true Germans and many of the family members have nicknames > because so many have the same first names. > A recent Schneider reunion held in honour of their arrival in Canada was > very successful now if we could only figure out what hapened in the > beginning in Russia. > > Thank You > > Ellen Gaboury > Saskatchewan > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thank you for responces to my question of Moskva. I have recently heard from my uncle and he remembers his aunt saying the family was from area by Kuban River in the Caucasus area. Can anyone tell me what area this is and by what name would I look for info on Odessa 3 if there is any. I have found some Hoegers in Borodino, Besseria. Is this the right area? Is Hoeger a likely name back in Russia for Hager here in US? Any help will be greatly appreciated. Regards, Judy >From: mccoolfam <mccoolfam@turbonet.com> >To: ger-volga@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [GV] GER-VOLGA Digest, Vol 2, Issue 267 >Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 11:36:26 -0700 > >Dear July, >Moskva is the Russian spelling of Moscow. >Donna > > > >At 12:05 AM 8/13/07, you wrote: > > > >Today's Topics: > > > > 1. John Hager of Moskva (Judy Langevin) > > 2. Re: GER-VOLGA Digest, Vol 2, Issue 266 (David F. Schmidt) > > 3. Re: GER-VOLGA Digest, Vol 2, Issue 266 (Nicknames) (J Welch) > > 4. Query-answer (RGHTours@aol.com) > > 5. Johanovich (Kenny Stugart) > > 6. Re: Johanovich (chuber) > > 7. Benner (Sasilasiladi@aol.com) > > > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >Message: 1 > >Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 02:12:30 +0000 > >From: "Judy Langevin" <jrlctryped@hotmail.com> > >Subject: [GV] John Hager of Moskva > >To: GER-VOLGA@rootsweb.com > >Message-ID: <BAY130-F341102C6EAFB45AA3B2DFCD6DC0@phx.gbl> > >Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed > > > >Hi; > >I am helping my uncle research his family. His health is very poor and he > >asked me, knowing I do genealogy, if I could help him find some >ancestors. I > >have found his grandfather Christian Hager, born June 15, 1874 in Moskva, > >Russia in LDS. The record said his father's name was John Morlang and >mother > >Elizabeth. I know this is the right Christian because it also lists death > >date of Oct 4, 1932. Both birth and death dates match the North Dakota >death > >index for Christ Hager. Christian and his wife Caroline immigrated in >1902. > >I have been unable to find them in immigration records. I do not know >where > >Moskva is. Can anyone help me locate Moskva. There was no other marriage, > >birth or death info for Christian or John Hager on LDS website. > >Thank you for any help. > >Regards, Judy > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >See what you’re getting into…before you go there > >http://newlivehotmail.com/?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_viral_preview_0507 > > > > > > > >------------------------------ > > > >Message: 2 > >Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 19:21:52 -0800 > >From: "David F. Schmidt" <dfschmidt@astound.net> > >Subject: Re: [GV] GER-VOLGA Digest, Vol 2, Issue 266 > >To: <ger-volga@rootsweb.com> > >Message-ID: <000d01c7dd59$1844d320$6601a8c0@DAVIDTERESA> > >Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > > reply-type=original > > > >Sharon McGinness asked: > > > >Can anyone tell me the meaning of "Oddels Michel"? It was apparently a > >nickname for my great-great grandfather... > > > >My response: > > > >Sharon, I think that is a Beiname, and it could be a very valuable > >genealogical clue for you. Let me explain. In the Volga villages, most, >if > >not all of the men, had Beinamen. These were like nicknames. They >helped > >to identify people, especially in Volga villages where there were many >men > >with the same first name and even several with the same first and last > >names. In some cases, the Beinamen referred to a person's physical > >characteristics (example: rote Fritz = red Freddy, who had red hair). >But > >many Beinamen actually were clan names that helped identify the branch or > >clan of a family that a person belonged to. > > > >For example, the Schneiders in Stahl am Karaman were divided into three >or > >four clans: "die Appels Schneider," "die Vakles (or Frahlers?) >Schneider," > >and "die Wilhelms Schneider." Evidently, the original Schneider colonist >in > >Stahl had three sons. One married a woman named Appel, and their > >descendants became "die Appels Schneider." I'm not sure of the >explanation > >for "die Vakles Schneider" and "die Wilhelms Schneider," but they >referred > >to the descendants of the other two sons. Among the Stahl immigrants to >the > >U.S., there was one whose Beiname was "Appels Heine." From that, one knew > >that he was named Heinrich and that he belonged to the Appels Schneider >clan > >(i.e., the descendants of the first Schneider son who married an Appel). > > > >As for your great-great-grandfather's Beiname (Oddels Michel), I presume > >that his name was Michael and that "Oddels" referred to the clan name. >It > >is likely that the family name had several branches, one of which was > >Oddels. A possible explanation is that a man in that branch of the >family > >married a woman named Oddel. Another possibility is that "Oddel" refers >to > >a place name. For example, in Stahl, there was one branch of the Kraus > >family referred to as "Wina" or "Wine." My theory is that the original > >Kraus colonist from which that branch is descended came from Wien >(Vienna), > >Austria. > > > >The Beinamen are an invaluable tool for Volga German family researchers. > >Wherever possible, we should do everything possible to identify and >preserve > >the Beinamen for our families and villages. > > > >David F. Schmidt > >Walnut Creek, CA, USA > >dfschmidt@astound.net > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------ > > > >Message: 3 > >Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 20:29:57 -0700 > >From: "J Welch" <jwelch3@verizon.net> > >Subject: Re: [GV] GER-VOLGA Digest, Vol 2, Issue 266 (Nicknames) > >To: <ger-volga-l@rootsweb.com> > >Cc: "David F. Schmidt" <dfschmidt@astound.net> > >Message-ID: <003001c7dd5a$3b5a7e90$2e01a8c0@jlw> > > > >David, > >Would this theory also apply to a name such as my great-grandfather whose > >name was "Johannes" but through family stories he was also referred to as > >"Johanovich" . Is there a hidden clue here? > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "David F. Schmidt" <dfschmidt@astound.net> > >To: <ger-volga@rootsweb.com> > >Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 8:21 PM > >Subject: Re: [GV] GER-VOLGA Digest, Vol 2, Issue 266 > > > > > > > Sharon McGinness asked: > > > > > > Can anyone tell me the meaning of "Oddels Michel"? It was apparently >a > > > nickname for my great-great grandfather... > > > > > > My response: > > > > > > Sharon, I think that is a Beiname, and it could be a very valuable > > > genealogical clue for you. Let me explain. In the Volga villages, >most, > > > if > > > not all of the men, had Beinamen. These were like nicknames. They >helped > > > to identify people, especially in Volga villages where there were many >men > > > with the same first name and even several with the same first and last > > > names. In some cases, the Beinamen referred to a person's physical > > > characteristics (example: rote Fritz = red Freddy, who had red hair). >But > > > many Beinamen actually were clan names that helped identify the branch >or > > > clan of a family that a person belonged to. > > > > > > For example, the Schneiders in Stahl am Karaman were divided into >three or > > > four clans: "die Appels Schneider," "die Vakles (or Frahlers?) >Schneider," > > > and "die Wilhelms Schneider." Evidently, the original Schneider >colonist > > > in > > > Stahl had three sons. One married a woman named Appel, and their > > > descendants became "die Appels Schneider." I'm not sure of the > > > explanation > > > for "die Vakles Schneider" and "die Wilhelms Schneider," but they >referred > > > to the descendants of the other two sons. Among the Stahl immigrants >to > > > the > > > U.S., there was one whose Beiname was "Appels Heine." From that, one >knew > > > that he was named Heinrich and that he belonged to the Appels >Schneider > > > clan > > > (i.e., the descendants of the first Schneider son who married an >Appel). > > > > > > As for your great-great-grandfather's Beiname (Oddels Michel), I >presume > > > that his name was Michael and that "Oddels" referred to the clan name. > It > > > is likely that the family name had several branches, one of which was > > > Oddels. A possible explanation is that a man in that branch of the >family > > > married a woman named Oddel. Another possibility is that "Oddel" >refers > > > to > > > a place name. For example, in Stahl, there was one branch of the >Kraus > > > family referred to as "Wina" or "Wine." My theory is that the >original > > > Kraus colonist from which that branch is descended came from Wien > > > (Vienna), > > > Austria. > > > > > > The Beinamen are an invaluable tool for Volga German family >researchers. > > > Wherever possible, we should do everything possible to identify and > > > preserve > > > the Beinamen for our families and villages. > > > > > > David F. Schmidt > > > Walnut Creek, CA, USA > > > dfschmidt@astound.net > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > -- > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.15/949 - Release Date: >8/12/2007 > > > 11:03 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------ > > > >Message: 4 > >Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 00:06:17 EDT > >From: RGHTours@aol.com > >Subject: [GV] Query-answer > >To: GER-VOLGA-L@rootsweb.com > >Message-ID: <c4e.1ae7a027.33f132b9@aol.com> > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > > >Judy: > > > >Moskva is Russian for Moscow. > > > >John > > > > > > > >************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new >AOL at > >http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > > > > > >------------------------------ > > > >Message: 5 > >Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 21:30:19 -0700 > >From: Kenny Stugart <iamken11@att.net> > >Subject: [GV] Johanovich > >To: German Roots <GER-VOLGA-L@rootsweb.com> > >Message-ID: <46BFDE5B.20303@att.net> > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > > >Johanovich means his father is Johannes > > > >Kenny > > > > > >------------------------------ > > > >Message: 6 > >Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 00:39:01 -0400 > >From: "chuber" <chuber@tbaytel.net> > >Subject: Re: [GV] Johanovich > >To: "German Roots" <GER-VOLGA-L@rootsweb.com> > >Message-ID: <010601c7dd63$e0288080$e20fd3d8@cliffhub> > > > >Yes. > > > >Similar to the Irish "O' Kelly" meaning son of Kelly, the Slavs used "O > >vich" translating into, > >"Oh!" Vich name shall I choose?" > > > >the best > >Cliff of the Lydiatt, Manitoba, Hubers, Steinhauers, and Ottos. > > > >ps - Johannes, often used on baptismal records, is Latin for Johan. > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------ > > > >Message: 7 > >Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 01:29:26 EDT > >From: Sasilasiladi@aol.com > >Subject: [GV] Benner > >To: GER-VOLGA-L@rootsweb.com > >Message-ID: <c9e.10c4988b.33f14636@aol.com> > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > > >Is there a way of finding history on the Benners and Lienwebers who lived > in > >YP > >connie > > > > > > > >************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new >AOL at > >http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > > > > > >------------------------------ > > > >To contact the GER-VOLGA list administrator, send an email to > >GER-VOLGA-admin@rootsweb.com. > > > >To post a message to the GER-VOLGA mailing list, send an email to > >GER-VOLGA@rootsweb.com. > > > >__________________________________________________________ > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com > >with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the >body > >of the > >email with no additional text. > > > > > >End of GER-VOLGA Digest, Vol 2, Issue 267 > >***************************************** > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Now you can see trouble…before he arrives http://newlivehotmail.com/?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_viral_protection_0507

Paula, You've cleared up my confusion :-) Sharon McGinness smcginness1@cox.net ---- Paula Nevin <Pnevin@pld.com> wrote: ============= Kevin, Frank, Sharon, Thank you for sending the PDF file. I've looked it over pretty carefully and I really don't think these are mine and Sharon's Wittman family. However, with Rosemary's observation I believe she may have solved my mystery. I wasn't aware that Heinrich was the first child of Peter and Katherine's to be born in Victoria. With that information I started looking at some census records and passenger lists this afternoon. Guess who I found on a ship named Rhein which arrived at Baltimore on Oct. 03, 1887. Peter Wittman age 31 a workman from Russia traveling to the USA with his wife Cath. age 32, daughter Anna age 7, Johannes age 5, and baby Peter age 6 mo. I also located the family living In Rush County on the Kansas 1895 census and the US 1900 census. Anna is still with the family in 1900 but gone in 1905 and appears on the 1905 KS census with John Schupman living in Rush Co. This squares with my Mom's recollection that the Schupman's were from Liebenthal. I checked with her today. She recalls them coming to Marienthal when she was just a young child. She thought they came to see Kate Wittman because she was sick. Thanks Rosemany for being so observant. Anyone have any thoughts on this. Paula ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Have a great day :-) Sharon McGinness smcginness1@cox.net

Kevin, Frank, Sharon, Thank you for sending the PDF file. I've looked it over pretty carefully and I really don't think these are mine and Sharon's Wittman family. However, with Rosemary's observation I believe she may have solved my mystery. I wasn't aware that Heinrich was the first child of Peter and Katherine's to be born in Victoria. With that information I started looking at some census records and passenger lists this afternoon. Guess who I found on a ship named Rhein which arrived at Baltimore on Oct. 03, 1887. Peter Wittman age 31 a workman from Russia traveling to the USA with his wife Cath. age 32, daughter Anna age 7, Johannes age 5, and baby Peter age 6 mo. I also located the family living In Rush County on the Kansas 1895 census and the US 1900 census. Anna is still with the family in 1900 but gone in 1905 and appears on the 1905 KS census with John Schupman living in Rush Co. This squares with my Mom's recollection that the Schupman's were from Liebenthal. I checked with her today. She recalls them coming to Marienthal when she was just a young child. She thought they came to see Kate Wittman because she was sick. Thanks Rosemany for being so observant. Anyone have any thoughts on this. Paula

Adams Funeral Home Greeley, Colorado 08-14-2007 Clara Scheidt July 17, 1918 - August 13, 2007 Age: 89 Residence: Greeley, Colorado Tribute: Clara Scheidt was born in Fort Morgan, CO to Phillip and Anna (Weimer) Hoffman. She grew up and attended school in Fort Morgan. She became a member of the Lutheran Church in Fort Morgan. On February 13, 1938 she married Henry Scheidt of Greeley and resided on a farm in Fort Morgan for one year before moving to their farm east of Greeley where she and her husband resided for 45 years. They became members of St. Paul's Congregational Church at that time. Clara worked for J.M. McDonalds, Kersey school cafeteria and Safeway until her retirement. They then moved into the City of Greeley where they resided. Clara enjoyed crocheting, baking and visiting with friends and loved spending time with her children and grandchildren. Mrs. Scheidt died Monday August 13, 2007 at North Colorado Medical Center Hospice and Palliative Care Unit in Greeley. Survivors: A daughter Roxie Murphy and husband Ron of Greeley; son Richard Scheidt of Yakima, WA; two sisters, Elsie Johnson of Fort Morgan and Ann Pipho of CA; six grandchildren, 20 great grandchildren and four great-great grandchildren. Preceded in death by: Her husband Henry, parents, three brothers, two sisters and one grandson. Visitation: 6:00 p.m. - 8:00 p.m. Thursday August 16, 2007 at Adamson West Chapel. Service: 10:30 a.m. Friday August 17, 2007 at St. Paul's Congregational Church. Interment: Sunset Memorial Gardens. Memorials: Memorial Contributions may be made to St. Paul's Congregational Church and/or Hospice and Palliative Care of Northern Colorado in c/o Adamson Funeral & Cremation Services 2000 47th Ave., Greeley, CO 80634. ************************************************************ http://www.ancestrylocator.com A site set up to help find your ancestors by using the forum or gallery. Come join in, and it is a free site.

Now I'm really confused, I think...the info that Kevin sent doesn't show a Heinrich Wittman until 1850...there is an Andreas Wittman (George, Johann Michael, Georg) born in 1832 in Herzog, Russia; he married Barbara Schamne & they had two children, Peter, born in 1853 and Catharina Margaretha, born in 1855. I'm pretty sure this is my great-great grandfather, but there is no further information about him in the info I received from Kevin, i.e. marriage, children, etc. Sharon McGinness smcginness1@cox.net ---- Paula Nevin <Pnevin@pld.com> wrote: ============= I don't know anything about Anna except she was born April 19, 1880. I know there was a family in Garden City, KS named Paul Schupman and I always knew we were distantly related through the Wittmans but never really knew how until now. So I will have to do a little more work on that side of it. My mom is still very sharp on all these folks even though she is nearly 90 and I'll visit with her tomorrow and see what I can find out about the Schupman connection. I can't send the pictures tonight becaue I can't get my scanner to work but my son will take a look at it tomorrow and I'll try tomorrow night. My thoughts on where Peter Wittman(born 1855 - I'll put his birth year in to seperate him from all the other Peters) and Catharina Biel are from, come in part from the 1857 census from Liebenthal Russia which we have thanks to Kevin, Tony Leiker and Tony's cousin Pavel Leus. Both the Biel and Wittman families were living there when the census was taken. Katharine (all spellings from book) was born to Peter Beil and Elisabeth in 1854 in Graf. Peter was born to Heinrich and Elisabeth in 1855 in Rohleder. Since Liebenthal was a daughter colony founded about 1857, both families probably moved there shortly after the children were born. According to "Liebental, Russia a Genealogy of the Village" compiled by Tony Lieker, Katharine Biel and Peter Wittman were married there July 15, 1875. I don't know if they were still living in Liebenthal when they immigrated or not. My interest is peaked now and I can see I will be pulling out the old files and doing a little more on this family. Kevin, my question on this family - did they really come on the Mosel. If so are they the ones Rev. Laing referred to. If not when and how did they come. That's enough for tonight. Paula At 10:26 PM 8/14/2007 -0500, you wrote: >Do you know what village in Russia the Wittman's came from? Also, since >Peter & Catherine Biel Wittman settled in Victoria when they arrived in >the U.S., were Anna Wittman & John Schupman married in St. Fidelis Church? > >Sharon McGinness >smcginness1@cox.net > > >---- Kevin Rupp <krupp@ruraltel.net> wrote: > >============= >HI Paula, > >What exactly are you needing on your family, I may have something for you. > >Kevin > > >-- > >Kevin Rupp >2301 Canal Blvd >Hays, Ks. 67601 >krupp@ruraltel.net >www.volgagerman.net >volgagerman@ruraltel.net >www.germansfromrussia.net > > > > > > > > > > From: Paula Nevin <Pnevin@pld.com> > > Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 22:14:44 -0500 > > To: <smcginness1@cox.net>, <Ger-Volga-L@rootsweb.com> > > Subject: Re: [GV] Wittman Family > > > > Sharon, I'll scan them shortly and try to emailed them to you with a little > > more information on the rest of the family. > > Paula > > > > > > At 09:09 AM 8/14/2007 -0500, you wrote: > >> I am definitely interested in any information you have about Peter & > >> Catherine Wittman. I would also love to have copies of the pictures you > >> have of them. If you can scan & email them that would be great, otherwise > >> if you could have reprints made I would gladly reimburse you for any > >> expense... > >> > >> Sharon McGinness > >> smcginness1@cox.net > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > >-- >Have a great day :-) > >Sharon McGinness >smcginness1@cox.net > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Have a great day :-) Sharon McGinness smcginness1@cox.net

The map described below is the first map I obtained from AHSGR many years ago. It has been very helpful for my research and has provided a starting point for new members to AHSGR. It can still be purchased from AHSGR http://www.ahsgr.org/maps.htm#4 Map #27. The cost is reasonable. Jim Weibert Rocklin, CA ----- Original Message ----- From: <rick.d.anderson@exgate.tek.com> To: <ger-volga@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 2:10 PM Subject: [GV] Interesting Map > Some of you might find this map interesting of the Volga region of > Russia around 1920. > > http://www.arwela.info/8karte1920.htm > > ------------------------- > Rick Anderson (rick.d.anderson@tektronix.com) > Tektronix, Inc. Beaverton, Oregon 503-627-2630 > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Some of you might find this map interesting of the Volga region of Russia around 1920. http://www.arwela.info/8karte1920.htm ------------------------- Rick Anderson (rick.d.anderson@tektronix.com) Tektronix, Inc. Beaverton, Oregon 503-627-2630

HI Ellen, I will send you what I have on that family. Also, have you seen the book, "Aus der Geschichte der Kolonie Mariental an der Wolga" by Anton Schneider? AHSGR has a copy of this book. Its all in German, but you can get a lot of genealogy of of it. Kevin Rupp -- Kevin Rupp 2301 Canal Blvd Hays, Ks. 67601 krupp@ruraltel.net www.volgagerman.net volgagerman@ruraltel.net www.germansfromrussia.net > From: Ellen Gaboury <bjgaboury@sasktel.net> > Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 10:08:21 -0600 > To: <GER-VOLGA@rootsweb.com> > Subject: [GV] Schneider/Zimmerman families Mariental, Samara, Russia > > Hi Everyone, > I have been following the list for a while and have enjoyed the different > discussions. > > I recently obtained the First Settlers List of 1767 for Mariental and of > course now we have more questions about the Zimmerman and Schneider families. > > Here is what we have found. Does it make sense to you?? > I would appreciate someone elses input into these families who is more > familiar with how things were with the settlers who traveled to Russia between > 1764-1767. > > I am researching the Caspar Schneider family that came to Mariental, Russia > in 1767. > > In the 1767 First Settler List for Mariental (Tonkoshurovka), Russia compiled > by Kevin D Rupp, there are two Kaspar/Caspar Schneider families mentioned. > > Caspar Schneider > Birth: 1732 Wuerzburg, Bavaria, Germany > Spouse: Margaretha ? > Birth: 1730 Saargemuend( Sarreguemines), Lorraine, France > > Other Spouses: Mathias Zimmerman > > Children: > 1M: Lorenz Schneider > Birth: 1749 Wuerzburg,Bavaria,Germany > > 2F: Elisabeth Schneider > Birth: 1749 Wuerzburg,Bavaria,Germany > > 3F: Katharina Schneider > Birth: 1754 Wuerzburg,Bavaria,Germany > > 4F: Margaretha Schneider > Birth: 1758 Wuerzburg,Bavaria,Germany > > > and > > Kaspar Schneider > Birth: 1731 Wuerzburg Bavaria, Germany > Occupation: Farmer > > Spouse: Dorotha ? > > Birth: 1732 Wuerzburg, Bavaria, Germany > > and then we have Mathias Zimmerman who appears to have been married previous > to marrying Margaretha (Schneider) > > Mathias Zimmerman > Birth: 1722 Grimburg-Trier, Rhineland-Pfalz (Rhineland-Palatinate), Germany > Occupation: Farmer > > Other Spouses: Margaretha? > Marriage: abt 1753 Grimberg, Rhineland-Pfalz, Germany > > Spouse: ? > > Children: > 1M: Peter Zimmerman > Birth: 1754 Grimberg-Trier, Rhineland-Pfalz (Rhineland Palatinate), Germany > > and then on a seperate page we have > > Mathias Zimmerman > Birth: 1722 Grimburg-Trier, Rhineland-Pfalz (Rhineland-Palatinate), Germany > Occupation: Farmer > > Spouse: Margaretha? > Birth: 1730 Saargemuend( Sarreguemines), Lorraine, France > Other spouses: Caspar Schneider > > Children > > 1F: Maria Elisabeth Zimmerman > Birth: 1764 Oranienbaum, Russia > > 2F: Margaretha Zimmerman > Birth: 1764 Oranienbaum, Russia > > > It also appears that Mathias Zimmerman and Margaretha(Schneider) are possibly > married before they reach Marienthal because they have daughters born in > Oranienbaum, Russia > > If Mathias Zimmerman and Margaretha(Schneider) are together before Mariental > why would Caspar Schneider, who was married to her first, be listed on the > first settlers list if he was deceased before Mariental or was he listed > because of his children who arrived with their mother and Mathias Zimmerman? > > Or > > Is it possible that Caspar Schneider and Margaretha parted ways and he became > Kaspar Schneider married to Dorotha > and Margaretha and Mathias Zimmerman became a couple and had more children? > > Interesting that only Kaspar Schneider and Dorotha show up in the original > list of 1767 families sent after translation and the others show up in the > 1767 census records. They may not have arrived at the same time.Perhaps a few > months later?? > > Are there two Kaspar/Caspar Schneider's?? > > This is confusing and I am wondering if there is any way to find out more > details on these four couples? Perhaps later census records or ship lists of > when they arrived in Oranienbaum. > > I am asking because I haven't been researching this branch of the family for > very long and am new at the Russian records. > > Just a side note. The Schneider's came to Canada in 1907 on the SS Corsican > and arrived in St Walburg, Saskatchewan, Canada to homestead in 1908. St > Walburg has its own little group of German Russians many from Mariental or > villages close by. > > They was a possibility that they had looked at Kansas according to one of the > family stories but ended up here instead. However they have/had relativews in > Kansas because my grandfather in law August Schneider went to the Kansas area > to visit relatives and when he returned to Canada was forever after known as > "Yankee" > They were true Germans and many of the family members have nicknames because > so many have the same first names. > A recent Schneider reunion held in honour of their arrival in Canada was very > successful now if we could only figure out what hapened in the beginning in > Russia. > > Thank You > > Ellen Gaboury > Saskatchewan > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Everyone, I have been following the list for a while and have enjoyed the different discussions. I recently obtained the First Settlers List of 1767 for Mariental and of course now we have more questions about the Zimmerman and Schneider families. Here is what we have found. Does it make sense to you?? I would appreciate someone elses input into these families who is more familiar with how things were with the settlers who traveled to Russia between 1764-1767. I am researching the Caspar Schneider family that came to Mariental, Russia in 1767. In the 1767 First Settler List for Mariental (Tonkoshurovka), Russia compiled by Kevin D Rupp, there are two Kaspar/Caspar Schneider families mentioned. Caspar Schneider Birth: 1732 Wuerzburg, Bavaria, Germany Spouse: Margaretha ? Birth: 1730 Saargemuend( Sarreguemines), Lorraine, France Other Spouses: Mathias Zimmerman Children: 1M: Lorenz Schneider Birth: 1749 Wuerzburg,Bavaria,Germany 2F: Elisabeth Schneider Birth: 1749 Wuerzburg,Bavaria,Germany 3F: Katharina Schneider Birth: 1754 Wuerzburg,Bavaria,Germany 4F: Margaretha Schneider Birth: 1758 Wuerzburg,Bavaria,Germany and Kaspar Schneider Birth: 1731 Wuerzburg Bavaria, Germany Occupation: Farmer Spouse: Dorotha ? Birth: 1732 Wuerzburg, Bavaria, Germany and then we have Mathias Zimmerman who appears to have been married previous to marrying Margaretha (Schneider) Mathias Zimmerman Birth: 1722 Grimburg-Trier, Rhineland-Pfalz (Rhineland-Palatinate), Germany Occupation: Farmer Other Spouses: Margaretha? Marriage: abt 1753 Grimberg, Rhineland-Pfalz, Germany Spouse: ? Children: 1M: Peter Zimmerman Birth: 1754 Grimberg-Trier, Rhineland-Pfalz (Rhineland Palatinate), Germany and then on a seperate page we have Mathias Zimmerman Birth: 1722 Grimburg-Trier, Rhineland-Pfalz (Rhineland-Palatinate), Germany Occupation: Farmer Spouse: Margaretha? Birth: 1730 Saargemuend( Sarreguemines), Lorraine, France Other spouses: Caspar Schneider Children 1F: Maria Elisabeth Zimmerman Birth: 1764 Oranienbaum, Russia 2F: Margaretha Zimmerman Birth: 1764 Oranienbaum, Russia It also appears that Mathias Zimmerman and Margaretha(Schneider) are possibly married before they reach Marienthal because they have daughters born in Oranienbaum, Russia If Mathias Zimmerman and Margaretha(Schneider) are together before Mariental why would Caspar Schneider, who was married to her first, be listed on the first settlers list if he was deceased before Mariental or was he listed because of his children who arrived with their mother and Mathias Zimmerman? Or Is it possible that Caspar Schneider and Margaretha parted ways and he became Kaspar Schneider married to Dorotha and Margaretha and Mathias Zimmerman became a couple and had more children? Interesting that only Kaspar Schneider and Dorotha show up in the original list of 1767 families sent after translation and the others show up in the 1767 census records. They may not have arrived at the same time.Perhaps a few months later?? Are there two Kaspar/Caspar Schneider's?? This is confusing and I am wondering if there is any way to find out more details on these four couples? Perhaps later census records or ship lists of when they arrived in Oranienbaum. I am asking because I haven't been researching this branch of the family for very long and am new at the Russian records. Just a side note. The Schneider's came to Canada in 1907 on the SS Corsican and arrived in St Walburg, Saskatchewan, Canada to homestead in 1908. St Walburg has its own little group of German Russians many from Mariental or villages close by. They was a possibility that they had looked at Kansas according to one of the family stories but ended up here instead. However they have/had relativews in Kansas because my grandfather in law August Schneider went to the Kansas area to visit relatives and when he returned to Canada was forever after known as "Yankee" They were true Germans and many of the family members have nicknames because so many have the same first names. A recent Schneider reunion held in honour of their arrival in Canada was very successful now if we could only figure out what hapened in the beginning in Russia. Thank You Ellen Gaboury Saskatchewan

Amarillo Globe News Amarillo, Texas 08-15-2007 PHOENIX - Josephine Kelln Bagwell Gentili, 87, died Monday, July 23, 2007. Memorial Mass will be at 5 p.m. Friday in St. John's Catholic Church in Borger, Texas. Services will be at 10 a.m. Saturday in First United Methodist Church in Borger. Brown Funeral Directors of Borger will assist with arrangements. Mrs. Gentili was born in Canadian, Texas, on Feb. 4, 1920, to John A. and Mollie Kelln and passed away in her sleep on July 23, 2007. She was raised in Higgins, Texas, as one of 10 children. After graduating from Higgins High School in 1938, she attended Amarillo Business College and later accepted a job at Pantex, where she met her first husband, Dr. Robert Wayne Bagwell. She and Dr. Bagwell lived together in Borger until his death in 1955. She lived in Big Spring for a few years and settled in Phoenix in 1963 and resided there until her death. Josephine was a beautiful woman. She loved to sew and was a great cook. She loved Texas and the Southwest. She appreciated art and produced a wonderful collection of oil paintings and watercolors. She was an independent, progressive thinker who preferred quality over quantity. She lived a simple life, was self reliant and seldom asked for anything for herself. She loved to study and received a B.A. degree from Arizona State University when her children were nearly grown. She was preceded in death by her parents; four sisters, Mayme Laubhan, Bertha Laubhan, Elsie Turner and Martha Nitschke; three brothers, John Kelln, Dave Kelln and William Kelln; and her beloved daughter, Suzanne. Survivors include a brother, Ben Kelln and wife Bonita, of Waco, Texas; a sister, Marge Hazlett of Amarillo, Texas; three children, Jan Vermeulen and husband Larry of Phoenix, Robert W. Bagwell and wife Kathryn of Dallas and Terese Hammerle and husband Ed Kelley of Boston; 11 grandchildren; nine great-grandchildren; and numerous nephews and nieces. Amarillo Globe-News, Aug. 15, 2007 ************************************************************ http://www.ancestrylocator.com A site set up to help find your ancestors by using the forum or gallery. Come join in, and it is a free site.

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