Hi Sherry, These are the females and their parents close to that age of 1843 Anna Maria 1842 (Joseph & Margaretha) Sabina 1843 (Peter & Catharina) Margaretha 1843 (Johannes & Elisabetha) Anna Maria 1842 (Andreas & Anna Maria) Elisabetha 1843 (Heinrich & Sabina) Is there anything else you can give me as a clue> Kevin -- Kevin Rupp 2301 Canal Blvd Hays, Ks. 67601 krupp@ruraltel.net www.volgagerman.net volgagerman@ruraltel.net www.germansfromrussia.net From: <Skc33052@aol.com> Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 20:56:01 EDT To: <krupp@ruraltel.net> Cc: <ger-volga@rootsweb.com> Subject: Quint Family Kevin, I know you looked for my GGrandmother Quint in Louis and you could not find an Eva Quint. Could you possibly look to see if you could find any female Quint b. approximately 1843? Thank you so much. Sherry Christie Delta, CO ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

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Believe it or not my father arranged a marriage between my younger sister and a particular man. My younger sister rejected him, but one of my even younger sisters married him. They are now divorced. I'm 51, the first potential bride is now 49 and the one who married the arranged groom is now 35. When she married him she was 17. I believe there was once a time and a place for arranged marriages, but during my generation? Very unusual. Carla " Carla Wills-Brandon, Ph.D. www.CarlaWillsBrandon.com www.RapidResponseProgram.com "Angels are everywhere!"

I never have heard of it being usual over there. BUT my grandfather came to the US and then his sister found him a wife back in the Volga area (ie, my grandmother). The story is that he wrote and asked a woman he knew to come and marry him but she didn't want to. So his sister, who was friends with my grandmother, asked her to marry him. She agreed. She had been saving her money to go to South America where she had cousins, but my grandfather gave her the opportunity to go to the US and he paid her passage. He wanted a wife from "home". They didn't know each other though she remembered seeing him once at a dance drunk. He didn't remember her. When she arrived she cried for three days because he was a "drinking man" and she didn't want a drinking man. But she went through with the marriage. I don't think it would be considered a happy marriage but they raised three children. Fortunately for my grandmother three of my grandfather's sisters also came over and they stuck up for my grandmother. Sally Zitzer (Katharinenstadt, Wiesenmueller) On Mon, 20 Aug 2007, Dennis L. Sewald wrote: > Does anyone know if it was the custom to have arranged marriages both in > Russia and with the early VG? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Dennis Sewald > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Yes, My parents told me that their marriage was arranged. They were both born here in the U.S. and married in 1936. The wedding was a 3 day affair. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis L. Sewald" <dennis@sewald.name> To: <ger-volga@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 8:15 PM Subject: [GV] Arranged Marriages > Does anyone know if it was the custom to have arranged marriages both in > Russia and with the early VG? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Dennis Sewald > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.1/963 - Release Date: 8/20/2007 > 5:44 PM > >

GR villages, for the most part, all had both German names, and Russian names. The Russian names date back to when the villages were founded, and the German names, for many villages, were the surname of the first German "mayor" of the village. In the case of the daughter colonies, for the most part, they just took the name of the village were some of the settlers came from, with Neu (New) attached to the front of the name. Variations are daughter colonies with names like Alexandertal which was also known as Neu-Schilling. I notice another variation, Alt-Weimer, which was founded in 1861, and Neu-Weimer was also founded in 1861. Typically Alt (old) was only attached to older villages, like the original Schilling became known as Alt-Schilling. Gary Martens On 21 Aug 2007 at 15:11, Charles Parcels wrote: > Was wondering if anyone knew what the Ust means in Ust-Solikha ? does it mean east? Second part of the question is, was this the name of Messer origionally, or named this after the Volga Germans left? > Charles Parcels > > > --------------------------------- > Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Adamson Funeral Home Greeley, Colorado 08-21-2007 Lynda Mae Reiber May 28, 1965 - August 19, 2007 Age: 42 Residence: Bedford, Texas Tribute: Lynda Mae Reiber was in Greeley to Emanuel and Dolores (Kissler) Eckas. Mrs. Reiber graduated from Platte Valley High School in Kersey in 1983. She worked as a dental assistant in La Salle and moved to Texas in 1997. On March 12, 1999 she married Richard Reiber in Las Vegas NV. Lynda went home to her Lord on Sunday, August 19, 2007at Baylor Hospital in Grapevine, TX. Survivors: Her husband Richard Reiber of Bedford, TX; father Emanuel L. and stepmother Sue Eckas; two brothers, Wayne Eckas and wife Andrea, Tim Frazier and wife Robin; nephews, Adam, Andrew and Erin Eckas, Brandt Frazier; niece, Kelli Frazier; and beloved family pets, Brandon, Cody, Patches and Rocky. Preceded in death by: Her mother, Delores Eckas, sister, Carolyn Eckas; grandparents, Adam and Lena Eckas and Henry and Henretta Kissler. Services: 10:00 a.m. Saturday August 25, 2007 at Adamson West Chapel. Interment: Linn Grove Cemetery. Visitation: 6:00 p.m. - 8:00 p.m. Friday August 24, 2007 at Adamson West Chapel. Note: In lieu of flowers, donation may be made to Lynda Reiber Fund c/o Adamson Funeral and Cremation Services 2000 47th Ave., Greeley, CO 80634. Condolences may be sent to the family at www.adamsonchapels.com. *********************************************************************** Elaine McDowell http://www.ancestrylocator.com A site set up to help find your ancestors by using the forum or gallery. Come join in, and it is a free site.

Hi to all, friends: There was not only one reason for the GR who arrived to South America: a.- As Frank said, most them went to Argentina and Brazil because they were catholic countries (Specially during the early migration).- http://www.webbitt.com/volga/so-amer.html b.- Afterwards, some of them chose it them because their relatives were living in South America.- c.- I also know some sad histories. By example, the Schultheis family, who arrived to Ellis Island (from the village of Huck).- The 3 girls were allowed to live in US, but their parents and the boys were rejected.- So, this part of the family went to Aldea San Antonio, in the province of Entre Rios, Argentina, and during 50 years they exchanged letters, until 1930, when the contact was lost.- I am happy I could join their descendants recently.- Best wishes, Gerardo Waimann Buenos Aires, Argentina ¡Sé un mejor asador! Aprendé todo sobre asados en http://ar.yahoo.com/promos/mejorasador.html

Regarding reason B -- my grandmother was saving her money (she worked as a maid in Saratov) to go to South America because she had cousins there. I never did ask her their names, much to my regret now. She ended up coming to the US instead for an arranged marriage. Sally Zitzer (Katharinenstadt, Wiesenmuellr) On Tue, 21 Aug 2007, Gerardo Waimann wrote: > Hi to all, friends: > > There was not only one reason for the GR who arrived > to South America: > > a.- As Frank said, most them went to Argentina and > Brazil because they were catholic countries (Specially > during the early migration).- > http://www.webbitt.com/volga/so-amer.html > > b.- Afterwards, some of them chose it them because > their relatives were living in South America.- > > c.- I also know some sad histories. By example, the > Schultheis family, who arrived to Ellis Island (from > the village of Huck).- > The 3 girls were allowed to live in US, but their > parents and the boys were rejected.- > So, this part of the family went to Aldea San Antonio, > in the province of Entre Rios, Argentina, and during > 50 years they exchanged letters, until 1930, when the > contact was lost.- > I am happy I could join their descendants recently.- > > Best wishes, > Gerardo Waimann > Buenos Aires, Argentina > > > > ¡Sé un mejor asador! > Aprendé todo sobre asados en http://ar.yahoo.com/promos/mejorasador.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks for the information, that was a big help. gpmartens@sbcglobal.net wrote: GR villages, for the most part, all had both German names, and Russian names. The Russian names date back to when the villages were founded, and the German names, for many villages, were the surname of the first German "mayor" of the village. In the case of the daughter colonies, for the most part, they just took the name of the village were some of the settlers came from, with Neu (New) attached to the front of the name. Variations are daughter colonies with names like Alexandertal which was also known as Neu-Schilling. I notice another variation, Alt-Weimer, which was founded in 1861, and Neu-Weimer was also founded in 1861. Typically Alt (old) was only attached to older villages, like the original Schilling became known as Alt-Schilling. Gary Martens On 21 Aug 2007 at 15:11, Charles Parcels wrote: > Was wondering if anyone knew what the Ust means in Ust-Solikha ? does it mean east? Second part of the question is, was this the name of Messer origionally, or named this after the Volga Germans left? > Charles Parcels > > > --------------------------------- > Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center.

Teri, Would all the grouped individuals been from the same family? For example the six (6) LINDTs that went to Argentina could have been my grandmothers siblings/cousins. She was already married and leaving from Kraft, Russia for New York. Don Loose Warren, Mich. On Aug 21, 2007, at 10:49 AM, Teri Helzer wrote: > I have been able to locate Hamburg records for 90 Oberdorf > residents that sailed directly to South America, and were not > diverted due to Ellis Island rejection, which blows a hole in the > entire "destination due to Ellis Island rejection" myth. http:// > www.users.qwest.net/~helzerteresa/PortArgentina.htm > > Teri Helzer, Oberdorf VC

Speaking as a 100% volga german from Entre Rios Argentina, I can assure you that the great majority of our people that came to Argentina were not 'Shanghaied' but came to a prosperous and rich country. Even the minority Lutherans (as in the case of my ancestors) purposly boarded ships to Argentina from Bremen and Hamburg. Argentina at the turn of the 19th century was as rich (in terms of GDP) as France, among the top 7 countries in the world in terms of GDP, and was known for it's rich farm lands suitable for wheat farming. Today our people there are enjoying an economic renaissance and many today are large estate owners at a time when their modern farms are fully benefiting from the record high grain prices. Many also own very large and successful industries. The Volga German descendants in Argentina are estimated at over 1.3 Million today, and most are very proud of their place in a country that they call their own. > From: fjacobs@cox.net> To: susan.nakaji@sbcglobal.net; GER-VOLGA-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 07:33:12 -0500> Subject: Re: [GV] South America and German Russians> > Dear Frank,> >> > What you have just mentioned is one of the major reasons indeed.> > In the USA, there's the common belief that folks sent to South America> were> > being just rejected at Ellis Island, or at any other seaport in North> > America by the redness of their eyes, sickness, or so. From our> experiences> > lived in South America we know that that approach was just publicitary and> > political-driven to keep the given standards. At the time the big> migration> > from Europe took place in the sunrise of the 20th century being a catholic> > in the USA was almost considered a felony for the standards set at that> > time. Those few who made it at that time including Polish, Irish, and> > Italians were the witness of it for a long time. And somehow it still> > present.> > There is still a whole lot to be written about that period, and some of> the> > clues are in South America.> >> > Luis> > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "SUSAN NAKAJI" <susan.nakaji@sbcglobal.net>> To: "Volga List" <GER-VOLGA-L@rootsweb.com>> Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 4:11 PM> Subject: [GV] South America and German Russians> > > >I did a presentation on South America for the Golden Gate Chapter of AHSGR > >and one of the things that I learned during my research was that many > >families chose to immigrate to South America, especially Argentina. One > >reason was for Catholic families, Argentina was a Catholic country.> >> >> > -------------------------------> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message> > > > > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Exprésate - diseña tu página de inicio de Live.com como más te guste. http://www.live.com/getstarted

Was wondering if anyone knew what the Ust means in Ust-Solikha ? does it mean east? Second part of the question is, was this the name of Messer origionally, or named this after the Volga Germans left? Charles Parcels --------------------------------- Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more.

I am looking for a needle in the haystack, so to speak. Family stories say that my grandmother, Anna Marie Braun Weber from the village of Walter had a sister who went to Argentina. Walter was a Lutheran village. I do not have a date nor do not have a name for the sister. The name of Bagel was suggested as her married name. This is all the information that I have. I know her maiden name must have been Braun. Their (the sisters) parents were Johann Christian Braun b. abt 1850 and Kathryn Elizabeth Benner b. abt. 1850-1860. Is there any descendants in Argentina that this story may sound familiar to in their families? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Utz" <ron_utz@hotmail.com> To: "frank jacobs" <fjacobs@cox.net>; "SUSAN NAKAJI" <susan.nakaji@sbcglobal.net>; "Volga List" <> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 12:43 PM Subject: Re: [GV] South America and German Russians Speaking as a 100% volga german from Entre Rios Argentina, I can assure you that the great majority of our people that came to Argentina were not 'Shanghaied' but came to a prosperous and rich country. Even the minority Lutherans (as in the case of my ancestors) purposly boarded ships to Argentina from Bremen and Hamburg. Argentina at the turn of the 19th century was as rich (in terms of GDP) as France, among the top 7 countries in the world in terms of GDP, and was known for it's rich farm lands suitable for wheat farming. Today our people there are enjoying an economic renaissance and many today are large estate owners at a time when their modern farms are fully benefiting from the record high grain prices. Many also own very large and successful industries. The Volga German descendants in Argentina are estimated at over 1.3 Million today, and most are very proud of their place in a country that they call their own. > From: fjacobs@cox.net> To: susan.nakaji@sbcglobal.net; > GER-VOLGA-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 07:33:12 -0500> Subject: > Re: [GV] South America and German Russians> > Dear Frank,> >> > What you > have just mentioned is one of the major reasons indeed.> > In the USA, > there's the common belief that folks sent to South America> were> > being > just rejected at Ellis Island, or at any other seaport in North> > America > by the redness of their eyes, sickness, or so. From our> experiences> > > lived in South America we know that that approach was just publicitary > and> > political-driven to keep the given standards. At the time the big> > migration> > from Europe took place in the sunrise of the 20th century > being a catholic> > in the USA was almost considered a felony for the > standards set at that> > time. Those few who made it at that time > including Polish, Irish, and> > Italians were the witness of it for a long > time. And somehow it still> > present.> > There is still a whole lot to be > written about that period, and some of> the> > clues are in South > America.> >> > Luis> > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "SUSAN > NAKAJI" <susan.nakaji@sbcglobal.net>> To: "Volga List" > <GER-VOLGA-L@rootsweb.com>> Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 4:11 PM> > Subject: [GV] South America and German Russians> > > >I did a presentation > on South America for the Golden Gate Chapter of AHSGR > >and one of the > things that I learned during my research was that many > >families chose > to immigrate to South America, especially Argentina. One > >reason was for > Catholic families, Argentina was a Catholic country.> >> >> > > -------------------------------> > To unsubscribe from the list, please > send an email to > > GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the > message> > > > > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from > the list, please send an email to GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com with the > word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message _________________________________________________________________ Exprésate - diseña tu página de inicio de Live.com como más te guste. http://www.live.com/getstarted ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.1/963 - Release Date: 8/20/2007 5:44 PM

Regarding High German and Low German, a simple and to the point definition can be found at http://www.orbislingua.com/ead.htm. The two are just different dialectal groups (note that 'Low German' is not a negative term but just the name of a dialectal group). My grandparents came to America from the Volga region in 1911. Supposedly they spoke a Low German dialect. Jim Weibert Rocklin, CA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Parcels" <volgager4440@yahoo.com> To: "Fred and Krista Betz" <fkbetz@verizon.net> Cc: <ger-volga@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 6:25 AM Subject: Re: [GV] High and Low Gereman > I don't know for sure, but it might be all the > expressions they used. My greatgrandmother was from Messer, & I remember a > few of them. SHLOP GUSH ment big mouth, NASE BUTZA ment to give someone a > rude jesture, BABUSHKA ment scarf, but it was taken from a Russian word > meaning "an old peasent lady who wore a scarf". baba by it self ment old > farm lady.( this I learned from Vera ) I believe NASE BUTZER also ment to > be snubbed by someone.( ex.: He gave me the nase butzer ) There was a few > more, but my age is against me, & I can't remember them. I'm digging back > to 1949 when I was only 5 years old. Hope this was some help to you. > > Charles Parcels > > > > > Fred and Krista Betz <fkbetz@verizon.net> wrote: > My Great Grandfather was born in Neu Messer and his wife was from Norka > (both born in 1858). He is said to have teased her about speaking "slop > bucket deutch". Do any of you have any Idea what that might mean? > > Frederick Betz > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marven C Weitzel" > To: > Cc: > Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 5:13 AM > Subject: Re: [GV] Becoming a US citizen 100 years ago > > >> Sharon, >> There are many different dialects of German, but the High German and Low >> German refer to forms which many Germans use and Students who take German >> in school learn. High German is simply the "Polite" form and Low German >> is the "familiar form." Essentially, the polite form is used in speaking >> with strangers or persons who command respect. The familiar form is used >> in speaking with friends and children. For example, "How are you?" in >> the familiar form is "Wie geht es dir?" while the polite form is "Wie >> geht es ihnen?" I don't think my grandparents and most of the Volga >> Germans used the polite form and were considered speakers of "Low >> German." Kannst du das verstehen? >> Marven Weitzel >> >> On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 1:22:50 -0500 writes: >>> Gary, thank you for finding this info & passing it along. It's >>> interesting that proficiency in speaking the English language was a >>> prerequisite to becoming a citizen. I have often wondered why my >>> grandparents & my mother didn't teach me or my brother any German. >>> Over the years I've picked up a few phrases but I couldn't even come >>> close to conversing in German, and that is one of a few regrets that >>> I have. I asked my aunt why we were never taught German and she >>> told me, in a rather exasperated tone I might add, that our >>> ancestors were required to learn to speak English and so, even >>> though they might converse with each other in German, they never >>> made any attempt to teach it to us, and my mother was not allowed to >>> speak German, even at home, although she did speak very fluent >>> German when she was a child. Which brings me to another question: >>> My mother always said there were two German dialects - "high" German >>> and "low" German. Was this related to the concept of "upper" and >>> "lower" villages? >>> >>> Sharon McGinness >>> smcginness1@cox.net >>> ---- gpmartens@sbcglobal.net wrote: >>> >>> ============= >>> >>> Have you wondered if you grand parents or great-grand parents were >>> illegal >>> aliens? That is, did they become citizensof the US, and what were >>> the laws >>> back 100 years ago. What were the requirements for becoming a >>> citizen >>> back in the late 1800's and early 1900's? >>> >>> This is a little lengthy, so if your not interested, delete the >>> message >>> >>> ======================================================= >>> >>> >From Yahoo! Answers: What year were US citizenship requirements >>> formulated >>> "The general elements of the 1802 naturalization law remained the >>> law of the land for more than a century. 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During >>> World War I nearly 200,000 alien soldiers were naturalized under >>> provisions of the Act of May 9, 1918, and additional legislation >>> governing the naturalization of members of our armed forces passed >>> in 1919, 1926, 1940, and 1952. >>> >>> "After passage of an Act of February 10, 1855, immigrant women >>> were able to acquire U.S. citizenship without naturalization. They >>> became citizens upon marriage to a U.S. citizen husband, or upon >>> their husbands naturalization. Like children, who since 1790 >>> acquired citizenship upon the naturalization of a parent, women >>> derived citizenship from their husbands. A 1907 law took this >>> concept >>> further by providing that all U.S.-born women who married aliens >>> would lose their U.S. citizenship upon marriage. 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The 1906 law >>> created that agency by establishing the Bureau of Immigration and >>> Naturalization (a predecessor of the current INS, which is now in >>> the >>> U.S. Department of Justice) in the U.S. Department of Commerce and >>> Labor. >>> >>> "The 1906 Act also made knowledge of the English language a >>> requirement for naturalization. Proficiency in English was >>> considered >>> essential to performing the duties of citizenship, the most >>> important >>> of which is to cast an informed vote. 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I have been able to locate Hamburg records for 90 Oberdorf residents that sailed directly to South America, and were not diverted due to Ellis Island rejection, which blows a hole in the entire "destination due to Ellis Island rejection" myth. http://www.users.qwest.net/~helzerteresa/PortArgentina.htm Teri Helzer, Oberdorf VC frank jacobs <fjacobs@cox.net> wrote: Dear Frank, > > What you have just mentioned is one of the major reasons indeed. > In the USA, there's the common belief that folks sent to South America were > being just rejected at Ellis Island, or at any other seaport in North > America by the redness of their eyes, sickness, or so. From our experiences > lived in South America we know that that approach was just publicitary and > political-driven to keep the given standards. At the time the big migration > from Europe took place in the sunrise of the 20th century being a catholic > in the USA was almost considered a felony for the standards set at that > time. Those few who made it at that time including Polish, Irish, and > Italians were the witness of it for a long time. And somehow it still > present. > There is still a whole lot to be written about that period, and some of the > clues are in South America. > > Luis ----- Original Message ----- From: "SUSAN NAKAJI" To: "Volga List" Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 4:11 PM Subject: [GV] South America and German Russians >I did a presentation on South America for the Golden Gate Chapter of AHSGR >and one of the things that I learned during my research was that many >families chose to immigrate to South America, especially Argentina. One >reason was for Catholic families, Argentina was a Catholic country. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel.

Dear Frank, > > What you have just mentioned is one of the major reasons indeed. > In the USA, there's the common belief that folks sent to South America were > being just rejected at Ellis Island, or at any other seaport in North > America by the redness of their eyes, sickness, or so. From our experiences > lived in South America we know that that approach was just publicitary and > political-driven to keep the given standards. At the time the big migration > from Europe took place in the sunrise of the 20th century being a catholic > in the USA was almost considered a felony for the standards set at that > time. Those few who made it at that time including Polish, Irish, and > Italians were the witness of it for a long time. And somehow it still > present. > There is still a whole lot to be written about that period, and some of the > clues are in South America. > > Luis ----- Original Message ----- From: "SUSAN NAKAJI" <susan.nakaji@sbcglobal.net> To: "Volga List" <GER-VOLGA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 4:11 PM Subject: [GV] South America and German Russians >I did a presentation on South America for the Golden Gate Chapter of AHSGR >and one of the things that I learned during my research was that many >families chose to immigrate to South America, especially Argentina. One >reason was for Catholic families, Argentina was a Catholic country. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I don't know for sure, but it might be all the expressions they used. My greatgrandmother was from Messer, & I remember a few of them. SHLOP GUSH ment big mouth, NASE BUTZA ment to give someone a rude jesture, BABUSHKA ment scarf, but it was taken from a Russian word meaning "an old peasent lady who wore a scarf". baba by it self ment old farm lady.( this I learned from Vera ) I believe NASE BUTZER also ment to be snubbed by someone.( ex.: He gave me the nase butzer ) There was a few more, but my age is against me, & I can't remember them. I'm digging back to 1949 when I was only 5 years old. Hope this was some help to you. Charles Parcels Fred and Krista Betz <fkbetz@verizon.net> wrote: My Great Grandfather was born in Neu Messer and his wife was from Norka (both born in 1858). He is said to have teased her about speaking "slop bucket deutch". Do any of you have any Idea what that might mean? Frederick Betz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marven C Weitzel" To: Cc: Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 5:13 AM Subject: Re: [GV] Becoming a US citizen 100 years ago > Sharon, > There are many different dialects of German, but the High German and Low > German refer to forms which many Germans use and Students who take German > in school learn. High German is simply the "Polite" form and Low German > is the "familiar form." Essentially, the polite form is used in speaking > with strangers or persons who command respect. The familiar form is used > in speaking with friends and children. For example, "How are you?" in > the familiar form is "Wie geht es dir?" while the polite form is "Wie > geht es ihnen?" I don't think my grandparents and most of the Volga > Germans used the polite form and were considered speakers of "Low > German." Kannst du das verstehen? > Marven Weitzel > > On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 1:22:50 -0500 writes: >> Gary, thank you for finding this info & passing it along. It's >> interesting that proficiency in speaking the English language was a >> prerequisite to becoming a citizen. I have often wondered why my >> grandparents & my mother didn't teach me or my brother any German. >> Over the years I've picked up a few phrases but I couldn't even come >> close to conversing in German, and that is one of a few regrets that >> I have. I asked my aunt why we were never taught German and she >> told me, in a rather exasperated tone I might add, that our >> ancestors were required to learn to speak English and so, even >> though they might converse with each other in German, they never >> made any attempt to teach it to us, and my mother was not allowed to >> speak German, even at home, although she did speak very fluent >> German when she was a child. Which brings me to another question: >> My mother always said there were two German dialects - "high" German >> and "low" German. Was this related to the concept of "upper" and >> "lower" villages? >> >> Sharon McGinness >> smcginness1@cox.net >> ---- gpmartens@sbcglobal.net wrote: >> >> ============= >> >> Have you wondered if you grand parents or great-grand parents were >> illegal >> aliens? That is, did they become citizensof the US, and what were >> the laws >> back 100 years ago. What were the requirements for becoming a >> citizen >> back in the late 1800's and early 1900's? >> >> This is a little lengthy, so if your not interested, delete the >> message >> >> ======================================================= >> >> >From Yahoo! Answers: What year were US citizenship requirements >> formulated >> "The general elements of the 1802 naturalization law remained the >> law of the land for more than a century. Congress made relatively >> few >> adjustments to the law during that time. Nevertheless, some of those >> >> changes promoted uniformity while others lessened the requirements >> for naturalization in certain cases, and still others denied >> naturalized >> U.S. citizenship to entire classes of persons. >> >> "The Act of May 26, 1824 provided that an alien who came to the >> U.S. while under age 18 might, after reaching age 21 and after five >> years residence, be admitted as a citizen without having previously >> made a declaration of intention. Often termed "minor >> naturalizations" >> because they related to immigrants who arrived in the United States >> as minors, 1824 Act cases were also called "one paper >> naturalizations" because no declaration of intention was required. >> The >> ease and speed of naturalization under the 1824 Act led to >> unfortunate >> abuses and frauds that continued until repeal in 1906. >> >> "Another exception to the two-step naturalization process was >> created >> for veterans who served honorably in the U.S. Army during wartime, >> allowing them to petition for naturalization without previously >> filing >> a declaration of intent. This class of "one paper naturalizations" >> was >> first introduced by an Act of July 17, 1862, and was extended to >> veterans of the Navy and Marine Corps on August 1, 1894. During >> World War I nearly 200,000 alien soldiers were naturalized under >> provisions of the Act of May 9, 1918, and additional legislation >> governing the naturalization of members of our armed forces passed >> in 1919, 1926, 1940, and 1952. >> >> "After passage of an Act of February 10, 1855, immigrant women >> were able to acquire U.S. citizenship without naturalization. They >> became citizens upon marriage to a U.S. citizen husband, or upon >> their husbands naturalization. Like children, who since 1790 >> acquired citizenship upon the naturalization of a parent, women >> derived citizenship from their husbands. A 1907 law took this >> concept >> further by providing that all U.S.-born women who married aliens >> would lose their U.S. citizenship upon marriage. It was not until >> 1922 >> that womens citizenship was separated from that of their husbands. >> >> For more details, see the history of women and naturalization on the >> >> Website of the National Archives and Records Administration. >> >> "While nationality law allowed some variation in naturalization >> requirements, by the turn of the 20th Century many Americans were >> concerned with variations in naturalization procedures and the >> increasing lack of uniformity. Each court charged a different fee >> and >> recorded naturalization on different forms. And it seemed each court >> >> had its own interpretation of what constituted "good moral >> character" >> or "attachment to the Constitution." Most disturbing was the >> prevalence of fraudulent naturalization under old laws that did not >> require either positive identification of the applicant nor proof >> that the >> applicant had been legally admitted as an immigrant to the United >> States. A Presidential commission investigated naturalization >> throughout the United States and reported their findings in 1905. In >> >> addition to documenting widespread fraud, the commission report >> recommended passage of new legislation to govern future U.S. >> naturalizations. >> >> "Consequently, the Naturalization Act of June 29, 1906 implemented >> most of the commissions recommendations. Because courts >> previously competed for naturalization business and naturalization >> fees, the new law set standard fees for all naturalization >> proceedings >> in all courts. Because incomplete naturalization records fostered >> fraud, the new law mandated standardized Declaration and Certificate >> >> forms be used by all courts and that copies of all naturalization >> records be forwarded to a supervisory Federal agency. The 1906 law >> created that agency by establishing the Bureau of Immigration and >> Naturalization (a predecessor of the current INS, which is now in >> the >> U.S. Department of Justice) in the U.S. Department of Commerce and >> Labor. >> >> "The 1906 Act also made knowledge of the English language a >> requirement for naturalization. Proficiency in English was >> considered >> essential to performing the duties of citizenship, the most >> important >> of which is to cast an informed vote. The commission report >> explained the requirement as follows: >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> -- >> Have a great day :-) >> >> Sharon McGinness >> smcginness1@cox.net >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GER-VOLGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Ready for the edge of your seat? 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