Contact me for further information. ..............Brent............ Brent Mai, University Librarian Director, Center for Volga German Studies http://cvgs.cu-portland.edu Concordia University Portland, Oregon 1850 Stahl am Tarlyk Surnames (including maiden names) Aschenbrenner Becker Beichert Berg Bessinger Bitter Blint Borgdorf Borger Brehm Briegemann Brum Brunz Dahlinger Debus Donis Dörr Eisner Feller Felling Filbert Fink Flas Flemming Frank Freud Freund Friedrich Fries Fuchs Georg Gessen Giess Göhring Grass Gromann Haar Habermann Hahn Heidt Heinrich Heintz Helmuth Helwig Henkel Herdt Herzog Hess Horch Jakob Kaiser Karg Karl Keller Kessler Kisner Klein Kleinfelder Kloch Knaus Koch Kolb Konstanz Körber Körner Kreiss Kretzer Krill Kruse Laas Langmacher Laube Lehmann Leis Lenk Lenz Lohmann Luft Lung Lüngren Margaretha Martzen Mast Mathiasen Maus Meckel Mehl Meier Meinhard Meisner Metzger Minde Mohr Müller Muth Nickel Nielsen Nilmeier Obendörfer Otto Pea Peterson Popp Pretzer Rau Reb Reinhardt Reitz Rieger Ring Rittger Ross Rotau Roth Salwasser Schäfer Scheck Scheidt Schiebelhut Schilling Schlist Schmall Schmidt Schneider Schönberg Schönfeld Schräder Schumacher Schweitzer Seib Seiler Sinner Speer Spomer Stenger Stetzel Stöhr Timler Treu Volmer Wagner Walter Weber Wegele Weigandt Weinberg Werner Wiedemann Wirth Wolf Zubick Movement to/from the following colonies is noted: Dinkel, Jost, & Lauwe 1857 Stahl am Tarlyk Surnames (including maiden names) Becker Beichert Berg Bessinger Bitter Borgdorf Borger Briegemann Brum Debus Donis Dörr Feller Ferg Filbert Fink Flemming Frank Fries Fuchs Geiss Georg Gessen Giess Göbel Göhring Götz Grass Gromann Haar Habermann Hahn Hammel Heidt Heinrich Heintz Helmuth Herdt Herzog Hohnstein Horch Huber Iskam Jakob Kaiser Karg Karl Keller Kern Klein Kleinfelder Kloch Knaus Körber Körner Kretzer Krill Krohmann Kromm Krümmel Kruse Kunkel Kuntzmann Laas Langmacher Laube Lehmann Lenz Lung Lüngren Mark Martz Martzen Mast Mathiasen Maus Meckel Meier Meisner Metzger Mintze Mohr Muhl Müller Muth Nickel Nielsen Nilmeier Obendörfer Otto Pea Peterson Pfeifer Popp Pretzer Reinhardt Reitz Rieger Rittger Ross Rotau Salwasser Scheck Scheidt Schiebelhut Schiffmann Schilling Schmall Schmidt Schneider Schönberg Schönfeld Schumacher Seib Simon Sinner Spädt Sperl Spomer Stenger Stöhr Stumpf Timler Treu Valentin Volmer Wagner Walter Weber Wegele Weigandt Weinberg Wicht Wolf Zubick

Minch, Esther, July 22, 1929- Sept. 23, 2010 Scottsbluff Star Herald Scottsbluff, NE 28 Sep 2010 STERLING, Colo. - Esther Minch, 81, formerly of Gering, passed away Thursday, Sept. 23, 2010, in Sterling, Colo. Her funeral service will be held at 10:30 a.m. Tuesday, Sept. 28, at Gering Memorial Chapel with pastor Garry Schick officiating. Interment will follow at West Lawn Cemetery in Gering. Friends may call at the funeral home from 5 to 8 p.m. Monday and prior the service on Tuesday. Memorials may be made in care of the family and will be designated at a later time. Tributes of sympathy may be left at www.geringchapel.com. Esther was born July 22, 1929, in Morrill to Jacob and Anna (Weimer) Schlotthauer. She graduated from Liberty High School in Morrill in 1948 and attended Chadron State College. She married Harold "Harry" Arthur Minch on April 6, 1952, in Scottsbluff and to this union two sons were born Lynn and Ken. They lived in Gering until Esther moved to Wel-Life in Scottsbluff, Lincoln, and was presently living in Sterling. Survivors include her sons, Lynn (Barb) Minch of Elmwood, Neb. and Ken (Terri) Minch of Sterling, Colo.; grandchildren, Lindsay Minch Bankus (Bob), Brandon Minch, Justin Minch, and Danielle Minch and great-grandchild, Alexis Bankus; brother Norman (Bonnie) Schlotthauer of St. Peters, Mo. and numerous nieces and nephews. Preceding her in death was her husband, Harold "Harry" Minch, parents, brothers, Jacob and David Schlotthauer, and sisters Leona (Arthur) Deines, Mollie (Fred) Tripple, Amelia "Millie" (William) Heimbouch, and Ann (Har-old) Sebenaler.

Hinkle, Alex, Sept. 28, 1925-.Sept 23, 2010 Scottsbluff Star Herald Scottsbluff, NE 28 Sep 2010 Alex Hinkle, 84, of Gering, formerly of Scottsbluff, died Thursday, Sept. 23, 2010, at Heritage Estates in Gering. His funeral services will be held at 10 a.m., Wednesday, Sept. 29, at the Zion Evangelical Church, with Pastor Garry Schick officiating. Interment will follow at Fairview Cemetery with military graveside rites provided by the Nebraska National Guard. Memorials in his name may be made to the Nebraska West Diabetes Association or to Prairie Haven Hospice. Friends who wish may call at the Jolliffe Funeral Home Tuesday from 10 a.m. to 7 p.m. and Wednesday prior to the funeral service. His obituary may be viewed online at www.jollifffefuneralhome.com where online condolences may be made. Alex was born Sept. 28, 1925 in Scottsbluff, to Henry and Anna (Schilling) Henkel. At an early age, he moved with his family to Colorado, and at the age of five they moved to Huntley, Wyo., where he attended Goshen County Schools. He served in the United States Army in Germany during World War Two and returned to the United States in 1945. In August of 1945, he went to Japan and served until April 26, 1946. He was married to Freda Teresa Dittenber on Dec. 1, 1946, in Scottsbluff, and the couple lived in Scottsbluff their entire married lives. He was employed as a truck driver for P.I.E., L.T.X., Briggs and Northwest trucking companies for a combination of forty years until his retirement in 1988. During his working years, he always took his vacation time in the fall and drove beet trucks for family members during many harvest seasons. He was a lifelong member of the Zion Evangelical Church, was a proud and lifetime member of the American Teamsters Union, and was a member of V.F.W., Admiral Dewey Post #1681, the Gering Eagles Lodge and the Panhandle Senior's Golf League. Alex was truly a family man, enjoying his children, grandchildren and great grandchildren, attending all of their sporting events and encouraging each and every one of them. He was also a grandpa to all of his family's friends, and virtually knew no "strangers." Alex was an avid Nebraska "Husker" fan and loved football Saturday in Nebraska. He loved to decorate both his home and his yard with Husker memorabilia. Survivors include his children Linda (Lyle) Hoke of Scottsbluff; Roger (Jeannine) Hinkle of San Diego, Calif.; Dianna (Don) Daiss of Orlando, Fla.; Sandra (George) Gillette of Torrington, Wyo.; Jeff (Martha) Hinkle of Kenosha, Wis. and Paulette (Dennis) Thomas of Alliance; brother, Ben Henkel of California and numerous nieces and nephews. He is also survived by 14 grandchildren, two step-grandchildren, nine great-grandchildren, eight step great-grandchildren and a great-great granddaughter. His parents; wife Freda; three sisters; a brother; half brother; three half sisters and numerous step brothers and step sisters preceded Alex in death.

Tonight I stumbled upon an online exhibition by Saratov Archives concerning the Volga Famine of 1932-33. While it is naturally in Russian language you can read it using google translator. Here is the link---just plug it into google's translated search.. _http://saratov.rusarchives.ru/gaso.html_ (http://saratov.rusarchives.ru/gaso.html) Scroll down to the exhibit titled "Hunger, which was not"...a poor translation, but probably should be something along the lines of "The Unnecessary Famine" given the subsequent description that it was indeed a governmentally induced catastrophe. Finally, click on "Exhibition" which has blue colored letters. At that point you will see many images of declassified documents from the Saratov City Council and Lower Volga Executive Committee pertaining to the famine...lack of food, bread distribution cards, collective farm problems, crime, cannibalism, lack of pay for workers, death reports, etc. There is a synopsis for each image. I didn't find any mention of Volga Germans per se, but of course these reports add context to what we do know about the famine. I assume the exhibits change periodically so save the link and check back again. Tim Weeder VC Paulskoye

Hi Bill. According to Dietz's "History of the Volga German Colonists" 25 crown families were dispatched to the Volga area in 1772. While it is possible these crown (or government) colonists could have been settled in recruiter colonies (e.g. Kind), I would think they would have been assigned to crown colonies instead. Bill, have you already ruled out recruiter Beauregard's 79 families he sent in 1767 and 12 families he sent in 1768? Your Pickelhaupts could be among those two dispatched groups for three reasons: 1. These were the last recruiter colonists received into Russia. 2. Kind was recruiter Beauregard's colony. 3. These colonists would not have appeared on any FSL because of their late arrival. What say you? Tim Weeder VC Paulskoye Message: 1 Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 05:22:58 -0700 (PDT) From: William Pickelhaupt <[email protected]> Subject: [GV] 1772 migrants to Russia To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Does anyone have or know where to locate?a list of Germans and others from Europe who came to Russia in 1772? The evidence points more and more to this group as the one that included the first Pickelhaupt to enter Russia. Transport Lists, Kuhlberg Lists and a reconstructed First Settlers List do not include them. ? Bill Pickelhaupt

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Does anyone have or know where to locate a list of Germans and others from Europe who came to Russia in 1772? The evidence points more and more to this group as the one that included the first Pickelhaupt to enter Russia. Transport Lists, Kuhlberg Lists and a reconstructed First Settlers List do not include them.   Bill Pickelhaupt

Hi Jerry, I did the same for Linda (emailing privately). That is, I used the index to the volumes and looked at villages where Otto or Ott were. And I found no Heinrich Wilhelm Otto either. But my suggestion is that maybe they were somehow missed in the census, or were lost through clerical errors, or some other error. I know from experience that my Zitzer ancestor couple is NOT in the First Settlers List, but they were in Kaneau and then later in Katharinenstadt. And they are in Brent Mai's Transport Lists. They are in the 1776 Katharinenstadt census. So errors happened. (just to be clear, the Schulz Zitzer couple are NOT my ancestors but they ARE in the First Settles Lists) I suggested to Linda that maybe church records, if available, would help. But how to access them is another problem. I see that AHSGR does not do research anymore. Sincerely, Sally Zitzer Edmonds, WA On Tue, 21 Sep 2010, Jerry and Fran Goertzen wrote: > Hello Linda; I checked every Volga Village for the Otto and Ott names. > I found 15 villages with 26 families. There is no Heinrich Wilhelm > listed in 1798. There were only two Wilhelms in all the villages. In > Bangert (Bg 3) is George Wilhelm, born 1776 and in Kukkus (Kk 45) there > is Konrad Wilhelm, born 1795. Konrad had a brother Johann Andres, born > 1784. The Kukkus Ottos are sons of J. Friedrich Otto (b.1755) and > grandsons of Paul Otto of Pfalz. Either you have the wrong name or the > wrong date for Heinrich Wilhelm. I would be interested in where you > found the name you are researching, Heinrich Wilhelm, b. 1785. In my > many years of G/R research, I have found many changes in given names. > The most common is to drop the christening name (usually the first name) > and use only the second name (Johann Konrad becomes Konrad). > Sometimes, they will pick a new first name, usually that of a favorite > family member (ie. Heinrich Konrad). The women did the same thing with > christening name. Maria Katharina would become Katharina after > marriage. Sometimes I have found women with four names at christening > and later dropping two of them. I think, Maria Elisabeth Pinekenstein > may be one of them. She may have had the christening name of Anna > Maria, and Elizabeth for her mother, Maria Elizabeth Schäfer. So Anna > Maria (b. 1822), daughter of Wilhelm Pinekenstein (b. 1789) could be the > Maria Elisabeth you are looking for. All this above data needs to be > completely verified with data. If you go further back in time look for > 'B'enekenstein. The letters B and P are interchangeable in German > (phonetics). I suggest you go back to known family data in your search. > You should get the death certificate of Heinrich Wilhelm Otto (b. 1858). > It should be available in your Government Vital Records. Also, get > Johann Konrad Otto's death certificate. This should show parents and a > lot of other information. I accessed the records for Heinrich's older > sister, Maria Elizabeth (Otto) Hieber in Fresno, California. She was > born Feb. 9, 1847 in Bangert Russia and died a widow in 25 Jun 1927 in > Fresno, California. She had been 29 yrs. in the United States (abt. > 1898) and 5 years in California. Her parents, as you know, were Johann > Konrad Otto & Maria Elisabeth Pinekenstein. This type of data would > confirm who you are looking for. At this point, there are 2 key records > to confirm your Russian Otto ancestors. The 1775 Bangert census which > should show what happened to the original Konrad Otto (b. 1745) and the > 1775 Kukkus census which would show the other Wilhelm Otto. > Unfortunately, neither record is available at this time. Hopefully, the > 1850 and 1857 Bangert records should help you confirm your known records > with the Russian data. Feel free to contact me if you have more > questions. Sincerely, Jerry Goertzen AHSGR-CCC of Fresno, California , > however, we live north of Fresno in a small mountain community named > O'Neals. . > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Dillman, Jack, 1944-8 Sep 2010 Scottsbluff Star Herald Scottsbluff, NE 22 Sep 2010 LITHONIA, Ga. - Jack Dillman, 66, formerly of Scottsbluff, went to be with his Lord and Savior Wednesday, Sept. 8, 2010. A funeral service was held Sunday, Sept. 12, at Turner Hill Baptist Church, Lithonia, Ga. Jack served in the U.S. Army during Vietnam and was an active member at Turner Hill Baptist Church. He loved God, his family, his friends and his church. He was a devoted husband, loving dad and cherished being "Poppa" to his grandchildren. Jack will be missed by all who knew him, but we know he is with God and that now he truly is "absolutely wonderful!" Survivors include his wife of 42 years, Lynda George Dillman; daughters and sons-in-law, Lori and Roger Frix of Covington, Ga., Amy and Bryan Cornett of Duluth, Ga.; grandchildren, Randall, Ryan and Ashley Frix, Joshua and Kylie Cornett; brother ad sister-in-law, Jim and Carol Dillman of Escondido, Calif.; mother-in-law, Rachel George of Lithonia, Ga.; brothers-in-law, Charles George of Woodstock, Ga., Ronnie George and wife, Phyllis of Dallas, Ga.; nieces and nephews. Preceding him in death were his parents, Bill and Helen Dillman of Scottsbluff and father-in-law, Lewie George of Lithonia, Ga.

Hello Linda; I checked every Volga Village for the Otto and Ott names. I found 15 villages with 26 families. There is no Heinrich Wilhelm listed in 1798. There were only two Wilhelms in all the villages. In Bangert (Bg 3) is George Wilhelm, born 1776 and in Kukkus (Kk 45) there is Konrad Wilhelm, born 1795. Konrad had a brother Johann Andres, born 1784. The Kukkus Ottos are sons of J. Friedrich Otto (b.1755) and grandsons of Paul Otto of Pfalz. Either you have the wrong name or the wrong date for Heinrich Wilhelm. I would be interested in where you found the name you are researching, Heinrich Wilhelm, b. 1785. In my many years of G/R research, I have found many changes in given names. The most common is to drop the christening name (usually the first name) and use only the second name (Johann Konrad becomes Konrad). Sometimes, they will pick a new first name, usually that of a favorite family member (ie. Heinrich Konrad). The women did the same thing with christening name. Maria Katharina would become Katharina after marriage. Sometimes I have found women with four names at christening and later dropping two of them. I think, Maria Elisabeth Pinekenstein may be one of them. She may have had the christening name of Anna Maria, and Elizabeth for her mother, Maria Elizabeth Schäfer. So Anna Maria (b. 1822), daughter of Wilhelm Pinekenstein (b. 1789) could be the Maria Elisabeth you are looking for. All this above data needs to be completely verified with data. If you go further back in time look for 'B'enekenstein. The letters B and P are interchangeable in German (phonetics). I suggest you go back to known family data in your search. You should get the death certificate of Heinrich Wilhelm Otto (b. 1858). It should be available in your Government Vital Records. Also, get Johann Konrad Otto's death certificate. This should show parents and a lot of other information. I accessed the records for Heinrich's older sister, Maria Elizabeth (Otto) Hieber in Fresno, California. She was born Feb. 9, 1847 in Bangert Russia and died a widow in 25 Jun 1927 in Fresno, California. She had been 29 yrs. in the United States (abt. 1898) and 5 years in California. Her parents, as you know, were Johann Konrad Otto & Maria Elisabeth Pinekenstein. This type of data would confirm who you are looking for. At this point, there are 2 key records to confirm your Russian Otto ancestors. The 1775 Bangert census which should show what happened to the original Konrad Otto (b. 1745) and the 1775 Kukkus census which would show the other Wilhelm Otto. Unfortunately, neither record is available at this time. Hopefully, the 1850 and 1857 Bangert records should help you confirm your known records with the Russian data. Feel free to contact me if you have more questions. Sincerely, Jerry Goertzen AHSGR-CCC of Fresno, California , however, we live north of Fresno in a small mountain community named O'Neals. .

I recently came into possession of an extra two volume set of the 1798 census I'd like to sell. Its in very good condition, for sale at $50 plus $8 shipping. Let me know if you are interested.   Bill Pickelhaupt

Austin, Mary, October 6, 1920- Sept. 17, 2010 Scottsbluff Star Herald Scottsbluff, NE 21 Sep 2010 Mary Austin, 89, of Scottsbluff, died Friday, Sept. 17, 2010, at Medical Center of The Rockies in Loveland, Colo. A funeral service will be held on Tuesday, Sept. 21 at 2 p.m. at Berean Bible Church in Scottsbluff with Pastor Scott Clark officiating. Interment will follow at Fairview Cemetery in Scottsbluff. Visitation will be from 4 to 8 p.m. Monday, Sept. 20, at Jolliffe Funeral Home in Scottsbluff. Memorials may be directed to Mary's family in her name for future designation. Her obituary may be viewed at www.jolliffefuneralhome.com, where condolences may be left. Mary was born on October 6, 1920, at Scottsbluff to Jacob and Mollie Mehling. She moved to Wyoming at the age of 3 and a half and received her education at Huntley, Wyo. Mary was united in marriage to Jack Austin on August 29, 1939, at Lyman, Neb. Mary and Jack moved to Scottsbluff in 1942. Mary was an employee of the JEK Plant as well as the United Telephone Company. Mary is survived by her daughter; Patricia (Richard) Alfred and her son; Jack (Linda) Austin; four grandchildren; ten great-grandchildren; and seven great-great grandchildren. Mary was preceded in death by her parents, four brothers and two sisters.

Weiss, Carol Ann, July 5, 1945- Sept. 16, 2010 Scottsbluff Star Herald Scottsbluff, NE 21 Sep 2010 MITCHELL - Carol Ann Weiss, 65, died Thursday, Sept. 16, 2010, at Regional West Medical Center in Scottsbluff. Funeral services will be at 2 p.m. Monday, Sept. 20, at Dugan-Kramer Funeral Chapel with Pastor Ron Nuss-Warren officiating. Interment will be in Forest Lawn Cemetery in Morrill. Friends may call at the funeral home from 1 to 6 p.m. Sunday. Tributes of sympathy may be left at www.dugankramer.com Carol was born July 5, 1945, in Glendale, Calif. to Betty (Metz) Davidson. Betty married Phillip Hort and moved Carol to Lyman, where she was raised on the farm and attended school and graduated in 1963. She married Harlen G. Weiss June 7, 1964. Carol and Harlen farmed in Mitchell for several years before moving to their current residence just outside of Mitchell. She was employed by Western Nebraska Veteran's Home in Scottsbluff as a cook and housekeeper before retiring after 19 years. She developed many friendships with the members and loved to visit with them. Many members gave or made angels for her as gifts, starting what would be her cherished collection. Carol has many fond memories with each angel. She also had many fond memories working for Scottsbluff Public Schools as a cook where she enjoyed seeing and visiting with the kids, everyday. Carol loved football, but mostly Husker football; NASCAR; listening to music, watching movies, going for rides, and spending time with her family and cat, Sophie. She will be missed dearly by all. Survivors include her husband, Harlen; son, Jeff (Joy) Weiss; daughter, Kim (Troy) Musfelt; grandson, Jerod, and granddaughters, Myranda and Mykinzee. She was preceded in death by her parents and son Ken.

Kaiser, Leonnora, Jan. 11, 1923, Sept. 18, 2010 Billings Gazette Billings, MT 21 Sep 2010 Leonnora Kaiser, formerly of Billings, died on Sept. 18, 2010, at Beartooth Manor in Columbus. She was born Jan. 11, 1923, to Pete Lepp and Margeret (Schweigert) Lepp in Torrington, Wyo. Leonnora married Leo Kaiser on June 28, 1941 at Sheridan, Wyo., and to this marriage were born four children: Leonard (Barbara) of Rapelje, Kenneth (Debra) of Columbus, Cynthia Crone (Vern) of Dover, Pa., and Phyllis Smith (Richard) of Billings. She worked as a checker at Buttreys Supermarket for many years. Leonnora was preceded in death by her husband, Leo; her daughter, Phyllis; her brothers, Edward and William; and her sister, Katherine Lutz. Along with her children, she is survived by her sister, Margie Kober; her brother, Carl (Buddy) Lepp; nine grandchildren and 15 great-grandchildren. The family would like to give a special thanks to Donna McClure of RiverStone Hospice and the staff at Beartooth Manor. Visitations may be made between 9 a.m. and 9 p.m. on Friday, Sept. 24, at Smith Downtown Chapel. Services for Leonnora will be held at 11 a.m. on Saturday, Sept. 25, at Trinity Lutheran Church. Memorials may be made to the American Cancer Society.

In answer to "Ott Otto" research found on GeVolga site. If not wanted or welcome on that site, please inform us in writing. Thank you. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry and Fran Goertzen" <[email protected]> To: "German Volga Roots Web" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 4:56 PM Subject: [GV] Fw: German Village Location resource ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry and Fran Goertzen" <[email protected]> To: "German Volga Roots Web" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 4:13 PM Subject: [GV] German Village Location resource I was a long time subscriber to Heritage Quest Magazine. It's Editor, Leland Metgler also had a publishing company, Heritage Creatons. Leland started the publishing of Hansen's Parish Books and I started ordering them for our Library Archives, AHSGR-CCC, Fresno, when I became genealogist and continued to do so until I retired in 2009. Unfortunately, Heritage Quest went into bankruptcy. I contacted Leland about Hansen's Series and he said he would start up a new publishing company and continue the series. That is why the name of the Publishing Co. changed. When Empress Catharine II sent out her invitation to Germans to settle in Russia, many of the Germanic Kingdoms and Provinces were against losing their people. The seven years war had just ended and rulers needed their workers to rebuild their country. For the same reason, the peasants were devastated and crops, etc. were destroyed. They were looking for a new land. That is why Büdingen became such a 'draw' for those colonists. The Count of Isenburg, ruler of the Province of Isenburg had Büdingen as the capitol of Isenburg. The Count sent armies to Russia to fight in the Wars and invited a Russian Consulate to set up in Büdingen to issue Passports and Visas so they could emigrate. Naturally enough, Isenburg and Hessen is what many immigrants listed as their 'home area' but people from many other areas left through Büdingen. Isenburg was primarily a Protestant Province and the Lutheran Church of Büdingen recorded many marriages and births. Kreis (County) Büdingen did not have a Catholic Parish. Darrell Brungardt is right about many churches, especially Catholic, not allowing the Mormons to microfilm their records. It helped to provide privacy for the Parishoners, but now it makes it hard for us to find ancestors. As mentioned, Aufenau may be a District rather than the Village like Bad Orb (resort of the Village of Orb). The District of Büdingen includes the Kreis Büdingen and the Village of Büdingen plus many other villages. Even though Aufenau and Bad Orb are very close to Büdingen, they were not in the Grand Duchy of Hessen. They were actually in the Province of Hessen-Naussau, Kingdom of Prussia at that time. Borders changed a lot due to wars, mergers, etc. In the late 1500s the area we know as Hessen plit up. There was Hessen-Kassel and Hessen-Nassau, which merged and was ceded to the Kingdom of Prussia. Hessen-Marburg and Hessen-Rheinfels merged with Hessen-Darmstadt to become the Grandduchy of Hessen. Your area of Aufenau and Bad Orb happen to be in Hessen-Nassau, Kingdom of Prussia. This information would be in the Parish Guide Vol. 9 Hessen-Kassel, Kingdom of Prussia, Book I (one) in the Regierungsbezirk Kassel, Kreis Gelnhausen. This Vol 9 would also give you the history and many helps to find ancestors in this area. When I checked Vol 9, I found the Village of Aufenau was in the Parish of Aufenau, which means the village was large enough to have their own Catholic Church. This information is found on pages 278-280. There is no microfilm listed for the Catholic Parish. I also found the village of Orb which is also called Bad Orb. The prefix "bad" means it is now listed as an official Spa or Health Resort. Orb is also in Kreis Gelnhausen and its Parish for Lutheran is Aufenau (also no film available). So, Aufenau had both a Catholic Church and a Lutheran Church. Even though records of neither church has been filmed, the Vol 9 listed other German Archives you might check. There is a Catholic Archive in Mainz that may have your data, and who knows, could be in print. Let me know what you find out. Jerry Goertzen ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry and Fran Goertzen" <[email protected]> To: "German Volga Roots Web" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 4:13 PM Subject: [GV] German Village Location resource I was a long time subscriber to Heritage Quest Magazine. It's Editor, Leland Metgler also had a publishing company, Heritage Creatons. Leland started the publishing of Hansen's Parish Books and I started ordering them for our Library Archives, AHSGR-CCC, Fresno, when I became genealogist and continued to do so until I retired in 2009. Unfortunately, Heritage Quest went into bankruptcy. I contacted Leland about Hansen's Series and he said he would start up a new publishing company and continue the series. That is why the name of the Publishing Co. changed. When Empress Catharine II sent out her invitation to Germans to settle in Russia, many of the Germanic Kingdoms and Provinces were against losing their people. The seven years war had just ended and rulers needed their workers to rebuild their country. For the same reason, the peasants were devastated and crops, etc. were destroyed. They were looking for a new land. That is why Büdingen became such a 'draw' for those colonists. The Count of Isenburg, ruler of the Province of Isenburg had Büdingen as the capitol of Isenburg. The Count sent armies to Russia to fight in the Wars and invited a Russian Consulate to set up in Büdingen to issue Passports and Visas so they could emigrate. Naturally enough, Isenburg and Hessen is what many immigrants listed as their 'home area' but people from many other areas left through Büdingen. Isenburg was primarily a Protestant Province and the Lutheran Church of Büdingen recorded many marriages and births. Kreis (County) Büdingen did not have a Catholic Parish. Darrell Brungardt is right about many churches, especially Catholic, not allowing the Mormons to microfilm their records. It helped to provide privacy for the Parishoners, but now it makes it hard for us to find ancestors. As mentioned, Aufenau may be a District rather than the Village like Bad Orb (resort of the Village of Orb). The District of Büdingen includes the Kreis Büdingen and the Village of Büdingen plus many other villages. Even though Aufenau and Bad Orb are very close to Büdingen, they were not in the Grand Duchy of Hessen. They were actually in the Province of Hessen-Naussau, Kingdom of Prussia at that time. Borders changed a lot due to wars, mergers, etc. In the late 1500s the area we know as Hessen plit up. There was Hessen-Kassel and Hessen-Nassau, which merged and was ceded to the Kingdom of Prussia. Hessen-Marburg and Hessen-Rheinfels merged with Hessen-Darmstadt to become the Grandduchy of Hessen. Your area of Aufenau and Bad Orb happen to be in Hessen-Nassau, Kingdom of Prussia. This information would be in the Parish Guide Vol. 9 Hessen-Kassel, Kingdom of Prussia, Book I (one) in the Regierungsbezirk Kassel, Kreis Gelnhausen. This Vol 9 would also give you the history and many helps to find ancestors in this area. When I checked Vol 9, I found the Village of Aufenau was in the Parish of Aufenau, which means the village was large enough to have their own Catholic Church. This information is found on pages 278-280. There is no microfilm listed for the Catholic Parish. I also found the village of Orb which is also called Bad Orb. The prefix "bad" means it is now listed as an official Spa or Health Resort. Orb is also in Kreis Gelnhausen and its Parish for Lutheran is Aufenau (also no film available). So, Aufenau had both a Catholic Church and a Lutheran Church. Even though records of neither church has been filmed, the Vol 9 listed other German Archives you might check. There is a Catholic Archive in Mainz that may have your data, and who knows, could be in print. Let me know what you find out. Jerry Goertzen ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I was a long time subscriber to Heritage Quest Magazine. It's Editor, Leland Metgler also had a publishing company, Heritage Creatons. Leland started the publishing of Hansen's Parish Books and I started ordering them for our Library Archives, AHSGR-CCC, Fresno, when I became genealogist and continued to do so until I retired in 2009. Unfortunately, Heritage Quest went into bankruptcy. I contacted Leland about Hansen's Series and he said he would start up a new publishing company and continue the series. That is why the name of the Publishing Co. changed. When Empress Catharine II sent out her invitation to Germans to settle in Russia, many of the Germanic Kingdoms and Provinces were against losing their people. The seven years war had just ended and rulers needed their workers to rebuild their country. For the same reason, the peasants were devastated and crops, etc. were destroyed. They were looking for a new land. That is why Büdingen became such a 'draw' for those colonists. The Count of Isenburg, ruler of the Province of Isenburg had Büdingen as the capitol of Isenburg. The Count sent armies to Russia to fight in the Wars and invited a Russian Consulate to set up in Büdingen to issue Passports and Visas so they could emigrate. Naturally enough, Isenburg and Hessen is what many immigrants listed as their 'home area' but people from many other areas left through Büdingen. Isenburg was primarily a Protestant Province and the Lutheran Church of Büdingen recorded many marriages and births. Kreis (County) Büdingen did not have a Catholic Parish. Darrell Brungardt is right about many churches, especially Catholic, not allowing the Mormons to microfilm their records. It helped to provide privacy for the Parishoners, but now it makes it hard for us to find ancestors. As mentioned, Aufenau may be a District rather than the Village like Bad Orb (resort of the Village of Orb). The District of Büdingen includes the Kreis Büdingen and the Village of Büdingen plus many other villages. Even though Aufenau and Bad Orb are very close to Büdingen, they were not in the Grand Duchy of Hessen. They were actually in the Province of Hessen-Naussau, Kingdom of Prussia at that time. Borders changed a lot due to wars, mergers, etc. In the late 1500s the area we know as Hessen plit up. There was Hessen-Kassel and Hessen-Nassau, which merged and was ceded to the Kingdom of Prussia. Hessen-Marburg and Hessen-Rheinfels merged with Hessen-Darmstadt to become the Grandduchy of Hessen. Your area of Aufenau and Bad Orb happen to be in Hessen-Nassau, Kingdom of Prussia. This information would be in the Parish Guide Vol. 9 Hessen-Kassel, Kingdom of Prussia, Book I (one) in the Regierungsbezirk Kassel, Kreis Gelnhausen. This Vol 9 would also give you the history and many helps to find ancestors in this area. When I checked Vol 9, I found the Village of Aufenau was in the Parish of Aufenau, which means the village was large enough to have their own Catholic Church. This information is found on pages 278-280. There is no microfilm listed for the Catholic Parish. I also found the village of Orb which is also called Bad Orb. The prefix "bad" means it is now listed as an official Spa or Health Resort. Orb is also in Kreis Gelnhausen and its Parish for Lutheran is Aufenau (also no film available). So, Aufenau had both a Catholic Church and a Lutheran Church. Even though records of neither church has been filmed, the Vol 9 listed other German Archives you might check. There is a Catholic Archive in Mainz that may have your data, and who knows, could be in print. Let me know what you find out. Jerry Goertzen

This is the Hussenbach listing for Otto: 1798 Census Hussenbach Colony: Family #15 Nikolaus Bechtold h 62 Anna Katharina Otto sp 60

There were no Ottos in Stahl am Karaman, just Otts.  Nevertheless, just to be sure, I checked the 1798 census.  One Ott family is listed with the following sons: Johann Caspar, 25 Johann Michael, 20 Georg Heinrich, 18 Johann Georg, 14 Johann, 9 So I think you can eliminate Stahl am Karaman in your search. I agree with Gary Martens that you should concentrate on the villages the villages that had Ottos in 1767--Boaro, Kano, Niedermonjou, etc.  But it's good that you are working backward, generation by generation, rather than just jumping to the conclusion that Heinrich Wilhelm Otto is descended from Konrad Otto. David F. Schmidt Village Coordinator for Boaro, Cäsarsfeld & Stahl am Karaman Walnut Creek, CA 94598, USA Email: [email protected] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 13:56:19 -0500 From: Linda Otto <[email protected]> Subject: [GV] 1798 Census Look-up - Dreispitz, Hussenbach, Kaneau,     Rosenheim, Stahl am Karaman To: Ger-Volga Mailing List <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Greetings List I am still searching for Heinrich Wilhelm Otto (born abt. 1785) in the 1798 Census.  On the AHSGR site I find that there were Otto families in the following villages in 1798:  Dreispitz, Hussenbach, Kaneau, Rosenheim and Stahl am Karaman.  If any of you have the 1798 Census for these villages, I would really appreciate a look-up.  On the First Settler's List for Bangert, there is a Konrad Otto, age 22, Lutheran farmer from Naussau-Usingen, Mittelhausen - wife Katharina Elisabeth, 22.  Konrad Otto and Katharina Elisabeth Laut were married 17 Jul 1776 in Lubeck and arrived in Bangert on 1 Jul 1767.  This couple is not in Bangert on the 1798 Census, but by the 1816/34 Census, the Heinrich Wilhelm Otto family is in Bangert with a son and grandson named Konrad. (They were not in Bangert in 1798)  I am thinking that this is perhaps the link to our family, but need to find them in 1798.  Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Linda Linda Otto Gladstone, MB

Linda: The AHSGR FSL says there were people with the Otto surname in Bangert, Boaro, Kano, Neidermonjou & Warenburg in 1798. There were none in Druespitz that I see. Some also used the surname Ott, and were in Brabander, Galka and Norka in 1798. However, looking in my Galka database, there was no Heinrich Wilhelm Ott/Otto in Galka. Brabander is across the river in the Kukkus District, and Bradander and Warenburg are nearby and likely places where these people may have been living: http://webbitt.com/volga/map-berg.html Gary Martens Dobrinka, Neu-Weimar, Galka, & Schilling villages VC > > Greetings List > I am still searching for Heinrich Wilhelm Otto (born abt. 1785) in the 1798 Census. On the AHSGR site I find that there were Otto families in the following villages in 1798: Dreispitz, Hussenbach, Kaneau, Rosenheim and Stahl am Karaman. If any of you have the 1798 Census for these villages, I would really appreciate a look-up. > > On the First Settler's List for Bangert, there is a Konrad Otto, age 22, Lutheran farmer from Naussau-Usingen, Mittelhausen - wife Katharina Elisabeth, 22. Konrad Otto and Katharina Elisabeth Laut were married 17 Jul 1776 in Lubeck and arrived in Bangert on 1 Jul 1767. This couple is not in Bangert on the 1798 Census, but by the 1816/34 Census, the Heinrich Wilhelm Otto family is in Bangert with a son and grandson named Konrad. (They were not in Bangert in 1798) I am thinking that this is perhaps the link to our family, but need to find them in 1798. Any help would be greatly appreciated. > Thanks, > Linda > > Linda Otto > Gladstone, MB > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message