This link has info on the Miller family, including Vera's father Bruno Karlovich Miller

See below.   BP --- On Sat, 1/15/11, William Pickelhaupt <[email protected]> wrote: From: William Pickelhaupt <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [GV] Miller fam in Warenburg To: "Gary Martens" <[email protected]> Date: Saturday, January 15, 2011, 5:31 AM It is published in my book on the Volga-Germans of Michigan. The link is http://lists.memo.ru/index16.htm.   These are not just Volga-German victims, but VGs are among them.   Bill Pickelhaupt --- On Fri, 1/14/11, Gary Martens <[email protected]> wrote: From: Gary Martens <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [GV] Miller fam in Warenburg To: "William Pickelhaupt" <[email protected]> Date: Friday, January 14, 2011, 8:24 PM Where is this website that has info on people who died in Siberia? Gary Martens On 1/14/2011 7:04 PM, William Pickelhaupt wrote: > Hello Kate, >    > Vera shared a couple of items on the Miller family with me and probably with others on the list. I do not know if anything she may have written on the Miller family is published anywhere. You know Memorial has published on their website the names and snippets of data on Volga-Germans who died in Siberia, correct? I have found many Pickelhaupts there; you can search their website by village. >    > Bill Pickelhaupt > > --- On Fri, 1/14/11, Kate Eist<[email protected]>  wrote: > > > From: Kate Eist<[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [GV] Miller fam in Warenburg > To: [email protected] > Date: Friday, January 14, 2011, 12:31 PM > > > Dear people, > I am a member of the list for about a year now and am very happy to see Volga German culture thriving!!! > I am researching the Miller family in Warenburg Alt/Warenburg, where my grandmother was born and deported to Siberia in 1941. In the deportation, my grandmother's mother died and that is also the reason why I do not have much info about the family except their names. > Philip and Katharina Miller from Warenburg and their six children: Alexander, Rita, Maria, Emma, David and Mina Miller. > David Miller, after the lifting of the prohibition to travel to the homeland visited Warenburg again and said that their old house is now a kindergarden/school. > I was wondering whether anyone on the list knows where I could get more info? The archives in Russia? Or church books? I also know that Vera was researching the Millers. Are her findings published anywhere? > Any help is greatly appreciated! Katharina > _______________________________________________________________________ > > The animals of the world exist for their own reasons. They were not made for humans any more than black people were made for whites or women for men. > > -Alice Walker > > --- On Mon, 1/10/11, [email protected]<[email protected]>  wrote: > > From: [email protected]<[email protected]> > Subject: GER-VOLGA Digest, Vol 6, Issue 9 > To: [email protected] > Date: Monday, January 10, 2011, 1:20 AM > > > > Today's Topics: > >     1. Re: GER-VOLGA Digest, Vol 6, Issue 8 (Susan) >     2. Jost 1850&  1857 Censuses Now Available (Brent Mai) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 08:16:41 +0000 (UTC) > From: Susan<[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [GV] GER-VOLGA Digest, Vol 6, Issue 8 > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: >      <[email protected]ca.mail.comcast.net> >      > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > > > Sergei, > > In your research, have you ever come across Wiederspahn or Hoffeber in Pyatigorsk? My Grandmother said she came from Pyatigorski,Bethenien I believe. > > Susan Hubenthal > > "We are, each of us, angels with one wing and we can fly only by embracing one another." > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 12:00:04 AM > Subject: GER-VOLGA Digest, Vol 6, Issue 8 > > > > Today's Topics: > > ?? 1. Re: Kindsvater (S. Zitzer) > ?? 2. Re: Kindsvater's of Kana (Sergej Kindsvater) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 17:01:17 -0800 (PST) > From: "S. Zitzer"<[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [GV] Kindsvater > To: Jerry and Fran Goertzen<[email protected]> > Cc: [email protected], German Volga Roots Web<[email protected]> > Message-ID: > ????????<[email protected]> > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII > > > ?? I don't know if this helps anyone, but my Grandmother > worked for a Kindsvater family in Saratov about 1910 - 1912. > My aunt wrote that they had an "electrical and bicycle > business". ?My Grandmother worked as a live-in maid. > > ?? ? ?Best wishes, > > ?? ? ? ? ? Sally Zitzer > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 21:43:47 -1000 > From: Sergej Kindsvater<[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [GV] Kindsvater's of Kana > To: "[email protected]"<[email protected]> > Message-ID:<[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain;????????charset=us-ascii > > David, > > You may want to check this link: http://www.kindsvater.net/phpgedview/individual.php?pid=I633&ged=kindsvaters.ged > > Your grandfather is from Kanowo, now part of Prokhladnoye by Pyatigorsk in Caucasus. There have been quite a lot of Kindsvaters there. I met some in Germany. I guess they might have been from > Huck originally, but have no paper trail. Make a DNA test to be sure Huck or Dietel. > > Best regards, > > Sergej Kindsvater > > Am 08.01.2011 um 11:16 schrieb [email protected]: > >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> ? 1. Re: Kindsvater's of Kana (Brent Mai) >> ? 2. Re: Kindsvater's of Kana (frank jacobs) >> ? 3. Re: Kindsvater's of Kana (Brent Mai) >> ? 4. Re: Kindsvater's of Kana (Brent Mai) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2011 19:57:14 +0000 >> From: Brent Mai<[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [GV] Kindsvater's of Kana >> To: "S. Zitzer"<[email protected]> >> Cc: Dave<[email protected]>, "[email protected]" >> ? ?<[email protected]> >> Message-ID:<[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Yes they are different colonies. But as the website indicates Kana was also known as Kaneau. I don't know how to be any clearer? Suggestions? >> >> Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless >> >> >> -----Original message----- >> From: "S. Zitzer"<[email protected]> >> To: Brent Mai<[email protected]> >> Cc: Dave<[email protected]>, "[email protected]"<[email protected]> >> Sent: Sat, Jan 8, 2011 19:43:52 GMT+00:00 >> Subject: Re: [GV] Kindsvater's of Kana >> >> >> ? I find that web page confusing. ?My ancestors first settled >> in Kaneau which is very close to Katharinenstadt and is in >> Pleve's first settlers book volume 2. ?It was established >> in 1767. ?Katharinenstadt and Kaneau were way north of the >> village on the web page below. >> >> ? The web page below lists Kaneau as an alternative spelling >> for Kana but it is a different village established in 1860. >> >> ? ? ? ?Sincerely, >> >> ? ? ? ? ? ?Sally Zitzer >> >> On Sat, 8 Jan 2011, Brent Mai wrote: >> >>> Dave: There is a little info about Kana at: >>> >>> http://cvgs.cu-portland.edu/settlements/daughter_colonies/colony_kana.cfm >>> >>> I have translated the 1857 census of Kana, but there were no Kindsvaters there at that time. >>> ..................Brent............... >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dave >>> Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2011 10:11 AM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: [GV] Kindsvater's of Kana >>> >>> Hello colleagues; >>> >>> ?Doing research and preparing a family genealogy for my sons' on Adam >>> Kindsvater and his family from Kana, Russia; who arrived into the United >>> states in 1913 at the port of Galveston, and also stated he had a brother >>> Daniel who remained in Russia. The spelling of the surname has been spelled >>> many different ways over the years, and was changed to Kinsfather on the >>> 1930 Census for Hidalgo, TX. Any pictures you might have of the Kana region >>> would be appreciated as well. >>> >>> ?Not familiar with the villages of Russia or Russian History at all and >>> pretty new at researching, so any help would be appreciated. >>> Adam Kindsvater is my Grandfather, and I am the Son of Daniel Adam >>> Kinsfather. >>> >>> Will gladly share any information I currently have on his descendants here >>> in the US that I know to be factual. >>> >>> Sincerely >>> David Allen Kinsfather >>> Lawton, Oklahoma, USA >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2011 14:27:43 -0600 >> From: "frank jacobs"<[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [GV] Kindsvater's of Kana >> To: "Dave"<[email protected]>,<[email protected]> >> Message-ID:<[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >> ? ?reply-type=original >> >> I looked in Merton's German-Russian Handbook and he lists >> Kana , Volga republic (Weisenseite) ?Pallasovka ?Southeast of Seelmann, >> Evangelical, Founded 1860. I don't know how that relates to an 1857 census. >> >> I looked in our Ellis County database and saw one Theodore Kindsvater >> married to a Monica Urban in 1941 and another Ed Kindsfather married to a >> Frances Dinges in the same county about 1960. >> >> Propinquity? It is neighboring state to Oklahoma, for what that's worth. >> Good luck. >> >> Mertens also lists daughter colonies of Kano, Caneau, Kaneau, Kanskoye. >> >> Frank Jacobs, Kansas >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Dave"<[email protected]> >> To:<[email protected]> >> Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2011 12:10 PM >> Subject: [GV] Kindsvater's of Kana >> >> >>> Hello colleagues; >>> >>> ?Doing research and preparing a family genealogy for my sons' on Adam >>> Kindsvater and his family from Kana, Russia; who arrived into the United >>> states in 1913 at the port of Galveston, and also stated he had a brother >>> Daniel who remained in Russia. The spelling of the surname has been >>> spelled >>> many different ways over the years, and was changed to Kinsfather on the >>> 1930 Census for Hidalgo, TX. Any pictures you might have of the Kana >>> region >>> would be appreciated as well. >>> >>> ?Not familiar with the villages of Russia or Russian History at all and >>> pretty new at researching, so any help would be appreciated. >>> Adam Kindsvater is my Grandfather, and I am the Son of Daniel Adam >>> Kinsfather. >>> >>> Will gladly share any information I currently have on his descendants here >>> in the US that I know to be factual. >>> >>> Sincerely >>> David Allen Kinsfather >>> Lawton, Oklahoma, USA >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ======= >>> Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. >>> (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.16650) >>> http://www.pctools.com/ >>> ======= >> >> >> >> >> ======= >> Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. >> (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.16650) >> http://www.pctools.com/ >> ======= >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2011 21:12:10 +0000 >> From: Brent Mai<[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [GV] Kindsvater's of Kana >> To: frank jacobs<[email protected]>, Dave<[email protected]>, >> ? ?"[email protected]"<[email protected]> >> Message-ID:<[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> There were often colonists living in a daughter colony before it was officially "recognized" by the Russian government. This is the case with Kana which has a census before it was established! >> >> Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless >> >> >> -----Original message----- >> From: frank jacobs<[email protected]> >> To: Dave<[email protected]>, "[email protected]"<[email protected]> >> Sent: Sat, Jan 8, 2011 20:28:37 GMT+00:00 >> Subject: Re: [GV] Kindsvater's of Kana >> >> I looked in Merton's German-Russian Handbook and he lists >> Kana , Volga republic (Weisenseite) ?Pallasovka ?Southeast of Seelmann, >> Evangelical, Founded 1860. I don't know how that relates to an 1857 census. >> >> I looked in our Ellis County database and saw one Theodore Kindsvater >> married to a Monica Urban in 1941 and another Ed Kindsfather married to a >> Frances Dinges in the same county about 1960. >> >> Propinquity? It is neighboring state to Oklahoma, for what that's worth. >> Good luck. >> >> Mertens also lists daughter colonies of Kano, Caneau, Kaneau, Kanskoye. >> >> Frank Jacobs, Kansas >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Dave"<[email protected]> >> To:<[email protected]> >> Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2011 12:10 PM >> Subject: [GV] Kindsvater's of Kana >> >> >>> Hello colleagues; >>> >>> ?Doing research and preparing a family genealogy for my sons' on Adam >>> Kindsvater and his family from Kana, Russia; who arrived into the United >>> states in 1913 at the port of Galveston, and also stated he had a brother >>> Daniel who remained in Russia. The spelling of the surname has been >>> spelled >>> many different ways over the years, and was changed to Kinsfather on the >>> 1930 Census for Hidalgo, TX. Any pictures you might have of the Kana >>> region >>> would be appreciated as well. >>> >>> ?Not familiar with the villages of Russia or Russian History at all and >>> pretty new at researching, so any help would be appreciated. >>> Adam Kindsvater is my Grandfather, and I am the Son of Daniel Adam >>> Kinsfather. >>> >>> Will gladly share any information I currently have on his descendants here >>> in the US that I know to be factual. >>> >>> Sincerely >>> David Allen Kinsfather >>> Lawton, Oklahoma, USA >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ======= >>> Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. >>> (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.16650) >>> http://www.pctools.com/ >>> ======= >> >> >> >> >> ======= >> Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. >> (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.16650) >> http://www.pctools.com/ >> ======= >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2011 21:16:13 +0000 >> From: Brent Mai<[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [GV] Kindsvater's of Kana >> To: "[email protected]"<[email protected]>, >> ? ?"[email protected]" ? ?<[email protected]>, Dave >> ? ?<[email protected]> >> Message-ID:<[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Dietel seems to be the original settlement colony of the Kindsvaters- ?although the 1767 census of Dietel is incomplete and they don't show in the part that is available. >> >> Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless >> >> >> -----Original message----- >> From: William Pickelhaupt<[email protected]> >> To: "[email protected]"<[email protected]>, Dave<[email protected]> >> Sent: Sat, Jan 8, 2011 19:55:42 GMT+00:00 >> Subject: Re: [GV] Kindsvater's of Kana >> >> Sergei Kindsvater is an excellent researcher and has lots of information on the Kindsvaters. I don't recall what village his ancestors are from but he is on this list server. A Conrad Kindsvater and his wife Charlotta settled in St. Clair, Michigan in 1904; they have descendants still living in the St. Clair area. >> >> Bill Pickelhaupt >> >> --- On Sat, 1/8/11, Dave<[email protected]>  wrote: >> >> >> From: Dave<[email protected]> >> Subject: [GV] Kindsvater's of Kana >> To: [email protected] >> Date: Saturday, January 8, 2011, 10:10 AM >> >> >> Hello colleagues; >> >> ? Doing research and preparing a family genealogy for my sons' on Adam >> Kindsvater and his family from Kana, Russia; who arrived into the United >> states in 1913 at the port of Galveston, and also stated he had a brother >> Daniel who remained in Russia. The spelling of the surname has been spelled >> many different ways over the years, and was changed to Kinsfather on the >> 1930 Census for Hidalgo, TX. Any pictures you might have of the Kana region >> would be appreciated as well. >> >> ? Not familiar with the villages of Russia or Russian History at all and >> pretty new at researching, so any help would be appreciated. >> Adam Kindsvater is my Grandfather, and I am the Son of Daniel Adam >> Kinsfather. >> >> Will gladly share any information I currently have on his descendants here >> in the US that I know to be factual. >> >> Sincerely >> David Allen Kinsfather >> Lawton, Oklahoma, USA >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> To contact the GER-VOLGA list administrator, send an email to >> [email protected] >> >> To post a message to the GER-VOLGA mailing list, send an email to [email protected] >> >> __________________________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] >> with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >> email with no additional text. >> >> >> End of GER-VOLGA Digest, Vol 6, Issue 5 >> *************************************** > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the GER-VOLGA list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the GER-VOLGA mailing list, send an email to [email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of GER-VOLGA Digest, Vol 6, Issue 8 > *************************************** > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 09:20:20 +0000 > From: Brent Mai<[email protected]> > Subject: [GV] Jost 1850&  1857 Censuses Now Available > To: "[email protected]"<[email protected]> > Message-ID: >      <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Contact me for further information. > ..............Brent............ > Brent Mai, University Librarian > Director, Center for Volga German Studies > http://cvgs.cu-portland.edu > Concordia University > Portland, Oregon > > 1850 Jost Surnames > > Arndt Axt Br?se B?schel Dauer Egof Eichner Flach Friedrich Fuchs Haas Harres Hauch Haupt Heckel Heller Hoffmann Horn Hubert Koch Kraft Lampel Martin Meisner Metzler M?rck Neubauer Peppe Pommer Queisner Reinhardt Ring Rube Rudolph Sch?fer Schledewitz Schleucher Sch?nefeld Stier Tag T?rmer Weber Wenig > > Movement to/from the following colonies is recorded: Kautz, Reinwald, and Susannental > > 1857 Jost Surnames (includes maiden names) > > Adolf Arndt Arnst Axt Becker Bessinger Borger Br?se Braun Bung Busch B?schel Dauer Diener D?ring Egof Eichner Flachs Fleming F?rster Freund Friedrich Friess Fritzler Fuchs Geringer G?bel Gorde Haas Hahn Hammel Harres Haupt Heckel Heidt Heller Hepfner Herrmann Hettrich Himmel Horn Huber Hubert Kaiser Keil Kinzel Kling K?rner Kraft Kreiter Kruse Lampel Lehmann Leikam Leitzel Leonhardt Markus Martin Mattias Maus Meier Meisner Metzler M?rck Muhl M?ller Neubauer Nilmaier Otto Peppe Pfeifer Pommer Preuss Prinz Queisner Reinhardt Ressler Ring Rube Rudolph Sch?fer Scharf Schermer Schiffman Schledewitz Schleucher Schmal Schmidt Sch?nefeld Schreiber Schultz Schumacher Schwabenland Seibert Seiler Sommer Stahlmann Steinhauer Stier St?rck Tag T?rmer Vorath Weber Wegele Weisbrod Weltz Wenig Wolf Wurm W?rtz > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the GER-VOLGA list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the GER-VOLGA mailing list, send an email to [email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of GER-VOLGA Digest, Vol 6, Issue 9 > *************************************** > > > >        > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Kate,   Vera shared a couple of items on the Miller family with me and probably with others on the list. I do not know if anything she may have written on the Miller family is published anywhere. You know Memorial has published on their website the names and snippets of data on Volga-Germans who died in Siberia, correct? I have found many Pickelhaupts there; you can search their website by village.   Bill Pickelhaupt --- On Fri, 1/14/11, Kate Eist <[email protected]> wrote: From: Kate Eist <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [GV] Miller fam in Warenburg To: [email protected] Date: Friday, January 14, 2011, 12:31 PM Dear people, I am a member of the list for about a year now and am very happy to see Volga German culture thriving!!!  I am researching the Miller family in Warenburg Alt/Warenburg, where my grandmother was born and deported to Siberia in 1941. In the deportation, my grandmother's mother died and that is also the reason why I do not have much info about the family except their names.  Philip and Katharina Miller from Warenburg and their six children: Alexander, Rita, Maria, Emma, David and Mina Miller.  David Miller, after the lifting of the prohibition to travel to the homeland visited Warenburg again and said that their old house is now a kindergarden/school.  I was wondering whether anyone on the list knows where I could get more info? The archives in Russia? Or church books? I also know that Vera was researching the Millers. Are her findings published anywhere? Any help is greatly appreciated! Katharina _______________________________________________________________________ The animals of the world exist for their own reasons. They were not made for humans any more than black people were made for whites or women for men. -Alice Walker --- On Mon, 1/10/11, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: From: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: GER-VOLGA Digest, Vol 6, Issue 9 To: [email protected] Date: Monday, January 10, 2011, 1:20 AM Today's Topics:    1. Re: GER-VOLGA Digest, Vol 6, Issue 8 (Susan)    2. Jost 1850 & 1857 Censuses Now Available (Brent Mai) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 08:16:41 +0000 (UTC) From: Susan <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [GV] GER-VOLGA Digest, Vol 6, Issue 8 To: [email protected] Message-ID:     <[email protected]ca.mail.comcast.net>     Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Sergei, In your research, have you ever come across Wiederspahn or Hoffeber in Pyatigorsk? My Grandmother said she came from Pyatigorski,Bethenien I believe. Susan Hubenthal "We are, each of us, angels with one wing and we can fly only by embracing one another." ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 12:00:04 AM Subject: GER-VOLGA Digest, Vol 6, Issue 8 Today's Topics: ?? 1. Re: Kindsvater (S. Zitzer) ?? 2. Re: Kindsvater's of Kana (Sergej Kindsvater) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 17:01:17 -0800 (PST) From: "S. Zitzer" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [GV] Kindsvater To: Jerry and Fran Goertzen <[email protected]> Cc: [email protected], German Volga Roots Web <[email protected]> Message-ID: ????????<[email protected]> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII ?? I don't know if this helps anyone, but my Grandmother worked for a Kindsvater family in Saratov about 1910 - 1912. My aunt wrote that they had an "electrical and bicycle business". ?My Grandmother worked as a live-in maid. ?? ? ?Best wishes, ?? ? ? ? ? Sally Zitzer ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 21:43:47 -1000 From: Sergej Kindsvater <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [GV] Kindsvater's of Kana To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain;????????charset=us-ascii David, You may want to check this link: http://www.kindsvater.net/phpgedview/individual.php?pid=I633&ged=kindsvaters.ged Your grandfather is from Kanowo, now part of Prokhladnoye by Pyatigorsk in Caucasus. There have been quite a lot of Kindsvaters there. I met some in Germany. I guess they might have been from Huck originally, but have no paper trail. Make a DNA test to be sure Huck or Dietel. Best regards, Sergej Kindsvater Am 08.01.2011 um 11:16 schrieb [email protected]: > > > Today's Topics: > > ? 1. Re: Kindsvater's of Kana (Brent Mai) > ? 2. Re: Kindsvater's of Kana (frank jacobs) > ? 3. Re: Kindsvater's of Kana (Brent Mai) > ? 4. Re: Kindsvater's of Kana (Brent Mai) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2011 19:57:14 +0000 > From: Brent Mai <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [GV] Kindsvater's of Kana > To: "S. Zitzer" <[email protected]> > Cc: Dave <[email protected]>, "[email protected]" > ? ?<[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Yes they are different colonies. But as the website indicates Kana was also known as Kaneau. I don't know how to be any clearer? Suggestions? > > Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless > > > -----Original message----- > From: "S. Zitzer" <[email protected]> > To: Brent Mai <[email protected]> > Cc: Dave <[email protected]>, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Sent: Sat, Jan 8, 2011 19:43:52 GMT+00:00 > Subject: Re: [GV] Kindsvater's of Kana > > > ? I find that web page confusing. ?My ancestors first settled > in Kaneau which is very close to Katharinenstadt and is in > Pleve's first settlers book volume 2. ?It was established > in 1767. ?Katharinenstadt and Kaneau were way north of the > village on the web page below. > > ? The web page below lists Kaneau as an alternative spelling > for Kana but it is a different village established in 1860. > > ? ? ? ?Sincerely, > > ? ? ? ? ? ?Sally Zitzer > > On Sat, 8 Jan 2011, Brent Mai wrote: > >> Dave: There is a little info about Kana at: >> >> http://cvgs.cu-portland.edu/settlements/daughter_colonies/colony_kana.cfm >> >> I have translated the 1857 census of Kana, but there were no Kindsvaters there at that time. >> ..................Brent............... >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dave >> Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2011 10:11 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: [GV] Kindsvater's of Kana >> >> Hello colleagues; >> >> ?Doing research and preparing a family genealogy for my sons' on Adam >> Kindsvater and his family from Kana, Russia; who arrived into the United >> states in 1913 at the port of Galveston, and also stated he had a brother >> Daniel who remained in Russia. The spelling of the surname has been spelled >> many different ways over the years, and was changed to Kinsfather on the >> 1930 Census for Hidalgo, TX. Any pictures you might have of the Kana region >> would be appreciated as well. >> >> ?Not familiar with the villages of Russia or Russian History at all and >> pretty new at researching, so any help would be appreciated. >> Adam Kindsvater is my Grandfather, and I am the Son of Daniel Adam >> Kinsfather. >> >> Will gladly share any information I currently have on his descendants here >> in the US that I know to be factual. >> >> Sincerely >> David Allen Kinsfather >> Lawton, Oklahoma, USA >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2011 14:27:43 -0600 > From: "frank jacobs" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [GV] Kindsvater's of Kana > To: "Dave" <[email protected]>, <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > ? ?reply-type=original > > I looked in Merton's German-Russian Handbook and he lists > Kana , Volga republic (Weisenseite) ?Pallasovka ?Southeast of Seelmann, > Evangelical, Founded 1860. I don't know how that relates to an 1857 census. > > I looked in our Ellis County database and saw one Theodore Kindsvater > married to a Monica Urban in 1941 and another Ed Kindsfather married to a > Frances Dinges in the same county about 1960. > > Propinquity? It is neighboring state to Oklahoma, for what that's worth. > Good luck. > > Mertens also lists daughter colonies of Kano, Caneau, Kaneau, Kanskoye. > > Frank Jacobs, Kansas > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2011 12:10 PM > Subject: [GV] Kindsvater's of Kana > > >> Hello colleagues; >> >> ?Doing research and preparing a family genealogy for my sons' on Adam >> Kindsvater and his family from Kana, Russia; who arrived into the United >> states in 1913 at the port of Galveston, and also stated he had a brother >> Daniel who remained in Russia. The spelling of the surname has been >> spelled >> many different ways over the years, and was changed to Kinsfather on the >> 1930 Census for Hidalgo, TX. Any pictures you might have of the Kana >> region >> would be appreciated as well. >> >> ?Not familiar with the villages of Russia or Russian History at all and >> pretty new at researching, so any help would be appreciated. >> Adam Kindsvater is my Grandfather, and I am the Son of Daniel Adam >> Kinsfather. >> >> Will gladly share any information I currently have on his descendants here >> in the US that I know to be factual. >> >> Sincerely >> David Allen Kinsfather >> Lawton, Oklahoma, USA >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> ======= >> Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. >> (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.16650) >> http://www.pctools.com/ >> ======= > > > > > > ======= > Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. > (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.16650) > http://www.pctools.com/ > ======= > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2011 21:12:10 +0000 > From: Brent Mai <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [GV] Kindsvater's of Kana > To: frank jacobs <[email protected]>, Dave <[email protected]>, > ? ?"[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > There were often colonists living in a daughter colony before it was officially "recognized" by the Russian government. This is the case with Kana which has a census before it was established! > > Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless > > > -----Original message----- > From: frank jacobs <[email protected]> > To: Dave <[email protected]>, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Sent: Sat, Jan 8, 2011 20:28:37 GMT+00:00 > Subject: Re: [GV] Kindsvater's of Kana > > I looked in Merton's German-Russian Handbook and he lists > Kana , Volga republic (Weisenseite) ?Pallasovka ?Southeast of Seelmann, > Evangelical, Founded 1860. I don't know how that relates to an 1857 census. > > I looked in our Ellis County database and saw one Theodore Kindsvater > married to a Monica Urban in 1941 and another Ed Kindsfather married to a > Frances Dinges in the same county about 1960. > > Propinquity? It is neighboring state to Oklahoma, for what that's worth. > Good luck. > > Mertens also lists daughter colonies of Kano, Caneau, Kaneau, Kanskoye. > > Frank Jacobs, Kansas > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2011 12:10 PM > Subject: [GV] Kindsvater's of Kana > > >> Hello colleagues; >> >> ?Doing research and preparing a family genealogy for my sons' on Adam >> Kindsvater and his family from Kana, Russia; who arrived into the United >> states in 1913 at the port of Galveston, and also stated he had a brother >> Daniel who remained in Russia. The spelling of the surname has been >> spelled >> many different ways over the years, and was changed to Kinsfather on the >> 1930 Census for Hidalgo, TX. Any pictures you might have of the Kana >> region >> would be appreciated as well. >> >> ?Not familiar with the villages of Russia or Russian History at all and >> pretty new at researching, so any help would be appreciated. >> Adam Kindsvater is my Grandfather, and I am the Son of Daniel Adam >> Kinsfather. >> >> Will gladly share any information I currently have on his descendants here >> in the US that I know to be factual. >> >> Sincerely >> David Allen Kinsfather >> Lawton, Oklahoma, USA >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> ======= >> Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. >> (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.16650) >> http://www.pctools.com/ >> ======= > > > > > > ======= > Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. > (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.16650) > http://www.pctools.com/ > ======= > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2011 21:16:13 +0000 > From: Brent Mai <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [GV] Kindsvater's of Kana > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>, > ? ?"[email protected]" ? ?<[email protected]>, Dave > ? ?<[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Dietel seems to be the original settlement colony of the Kindsvaters- ?although the 1767 census of Dietel is incomplete and they don't show in the part that is available. > > Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless > > > -----Original message----- > From: William Pickelhaupt <[email protected]> > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>, Dave <[email protected]> > Sent: Sat, Jan 8, 2011 19:55:42 GMT+00:00 > Subject: Re: [GV] Kindsvater's of Kana > > Sergei Kindsvater is an excellent researcher and has lots of information on the Kindsvaters. I don't recall what village his ancestors are from but he is on this list server. A Conrad Kindsvater and his wife Charlotta settled in St. Clair, Michigan in 1904; they have descendants still living in the St. Clair area. > > Bill Pickelhaupt > > --- On Sat, 1/8/11, Dave <[email protected]> wrote: > > > From: Dave <[email protected]> > Subject: [GV] Kindsvater's of Kana > To: [email protected] > Date: Saturday, January 8, 2011, 10:10 AM > > > Hello colleagues; > > ? Doing research and preparing a family genealogy for my sons' on Adam > Kindsvater and his family from Kana, Russia; who arrived into the United > states in 1913 at the port of Galveston, and also stated he had a brother > Daniel who remained in Russia. The spelling of the surname has been spelled > many different ways over the years, and was changed to Kinsfather on the > 1930 Census for Hidalgo, TX. Any pictures you might have of the Kana region > would be appreciated as well. > > ? Not familiar with the villages of Russia or Russian History at all and > pretty new at researching, so any help would be appreciated. > Adam Kindsvater is my Grandfather, and I am the Son of Daniel Adam > Kinsfather. > > Will gladly share any information I currently have on his descendants here > in the US that I know to be factual. > > Sincerely > David Allen Kinsfather > Lawton, Oklahoma, USA > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the GER-VOLGA list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the GER-VOLGA mailing list, send an email to [email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of GER-VOLGA Digest, Vol 6, Issue 5 > *************************************** ------------------------------ To contact the GER-VOLGA list administrator, send an email to [email protected] To post a message to the GER-VOLGA mailing list, send an email to [email protected] __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. 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Brent Mai, University Librarian Director, Center for Volga German Studies http://cvgs.cu-portland.edu Concordia University Portland, Oregon 1850 Jost Surnames Arndt Axt Br?se B?schel Dauer Egof Eichner Flach Friedrich Fuchs Haas Harres Hauch Haupt Heckel Heller Hoffmann Horn Hubert Koch Kraft Lampel Martin Meisner Metzler M?rck Neubauer Peppe Pommer Queisner Reinhardt Ring Rube Rudolph Sch?fer Schledewitz Schleucher Sch?nefeld Stier Tag T?rmer Weber Wenig Movement to/from the following colonies is recorded: Kautz, Reinwald, and Susannental 1857 Jost Surnames (includes maiden names) Adolf Arndt Arnst Axt Becker Bessinger Borger Br?se Braun Bung Busch B?schel Dauer Diener D?ring Egof Eichner Flachs Fleming F?rster Freund Friedrich Friess Fritzler Fuchs Geringer G?bel Gorde Haas Hahn Hammel Harres Haupt Heckel Heidt Heller Hepfner Herrmann Hettrich Himmel Horn Huber Hubert Kaiser Keil Kinzel Kling K?rner Kraft Kreiter Kruse Lampel Lehmann Leikam Leitzel Leonhardt Markus Martin Mattias Maus Meier Meisner Metzler M?rck Muhl M?ller Neubauer Nilmaier Otto Peppe Pfeifer Pommer Preuss Prinz Queisner Reinhardt Ressler Ring Rube Rudolph Sch?fer Scharf Schermer Schiffman Schledewitz Schleucher Schmal Schmidt Sch?nefeld Schreiber Schultz Schumacher Schwabenland Seibert Seiler Sommer Stahlmann Steinhauer Stier St?rck Tag T?rmer Vorath Weber Wegele Weisbrod Weltz Wenig Wolf Wurm W?rtz ------------------------------ To contact the GER-VOLGA list administrator, send an email to [email protected] To post a message to the GER-VOLGA mailing list, send an email to [email protected] __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. 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Dear people, I am a member of the list for about a year now and am very happy to see Volga German culture thriving!!!  I am researching the Miller family in Warenburg Alt/Warenburg, where my grandmother was born and deported to Siberia in 1941. In the deportation, my grandmother's mother died and that is also the reason why I do not have much info about the family except their names.  Philip and Katharina Miller from Warenburg and their six children: Alexander, Rita, Maria, Emma, David and Mina Miller.  David Miller, after the lifting of the prohibition to travel to the homeland visited Warenburg again and said that their old house is now a kindergarden/school.  I was wondering whether anyone on the list knows where I could get more info? The archives in Russia? Or church books? I also know that Vera was researching the Millers. Are her findings published anywhere? Any help is greatly appreciated! Katharina _______________________________________________________________________ The animals of the world exist for their own reasons. They were not made for humans any more than black people were made for whites or women for men. -Alice Walker --- On Mon, 1/10/11, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: From: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: GER-VOLGA Digest, Vol 6, Issue 9 To: [email protected] Date: Monday, January 10, 2011, 1:20 AM Today's Topics:    1. Re: GER-VOLGA Digest, Vol 6, Issue 8 (Susan)    2. Jost 1850 & 1857 Censuses Now Available (Brent Mai) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 08:16:41 +0000 (UTC) From: Susan <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [GV] GER-VOLGA Digest, Vol 6, Issue 8 To: [email protected] Message-ID:     <[email protected]ca.mail.comcast.net>     Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Sergei, In your research, have you ever come across Wiederspahn or Hoffeber in Pyatigorsk? My Grandmother said she came from Pyatigorski,Bethenien I believe. Susan Hubenthal "We are, each of us, angels with one wing and we can fly only by embracing one another." ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 12:00:04 AM Subject: GER-VOLGA Digest, Vol 6, Issue 8 Today's Topics: ?? 1. Re: Kindsvater (S. Zitzer) ?? 2. Re: Kindsvater's of Kana (Sergej Kindsvater) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 17:01:17 -0800 (PST) From: "S. Zitzer" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [GV] Kindsvater To: Jerry and Fran Goertzen <[email protected]> Cc: [email protected], German Volga Roots Web <[email protected]> Message-ID: ????????<[email protected]> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII ?? I don't know if this helps anyone, but my Grandmother worked for a Kindsvater family in Saratov about 1910 - 1912. My aunt wrote that they had an "electrical and bicycle business". ?My Grandmother worked as a live-in maid. ?? ? ?Best wishes, ?? ? ? ? ? Sally Zitzer ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 21:43:47 -1000 From: Sergej Kindsvater <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [GV] Kindsvater's of Kana To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain;????????charset=us-ascii David, You may want to check this link: http://www.kindsvater.net/phpgedview/individual.php?pid=I633&ged=kindsvaters.ged Your grandfather is from Kanowo, now part of Prokhladnoye by Pyatigorsk in Caucasus. There have been quite a lot of Kindsvaters there. I met some in Germany. I guess they might have been from Huck originally, but have no paper trail. Make a DNA test to be sure Huck or Dietel. Best regards, Sergej Kindsvater Am 08.01.2011 um 11:16 schrieb [email protected]: > > > Today's Topics: > > ? 1. Re: Kindsvater's of Kana (Brent Mai) > ? 2. Re: Kindsvater's of Kana (frank jacobs) > ? 3. Re: Kindsvater's of Kana (Brent Mai) > ? 4. Re: Kindsvater's of Kana (Brent Mai) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2011 19:57:14 +0000 > From: Brent Mai <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [GV] Kindsvater's of Kana > To: "S. Zitzer" <[email protected]> > Cc: Dave <[email protected]>, "[email protected]" > ? ?<[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Yes they are different colonies. But as the website indicates Kana was also known as Kaneau. I don't know how to be any clearer? Suggestions? > > Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless > > > -----Original message----- > From: "S. Zitzer" <[email protected]> > To: Brent Mai <[email protected]> > Cc: Dave <[email protected]>, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Sent: Sat, Jan 8, 2011 19:43:52 GMT+00:00 > Subject: Re: [GV] Kindsvater's of Kana > > > ? I find that web page confusing. ?My ancestors first settled > in Kaneau which is very close to Katharinenstadt and is in > Pleve's first settlers book volume 2. ?It was established > in 1767. ?Katharinenstadt and Kaneau were way north of the > village on the web page below. > > ? The web page below lists Kaneau as an alternative spelling > for Kana but it is a different village established in 1860. > > ? ? ? ?Sincerely, > > ? ? ? ? ? ?Sally Zitzer > > On Sat, 8 Jan 2011, Brent Mai wrote: > >> Dave: There is a little info about Kana at: >> >> http://cvgs.cu-portland.edu/settlements/daughter_colonies/colony_kana.cfm >> >> I have translated the 1857 census of Kana, but there were no Kindsvaters there at that time. >> ..................Brent............... >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dave >> Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2011 10:11 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: [GV] Kindsvater's of Kana >> >> Hello colleagues; >> >> ?Doing research and preparing a family genealogy for my sons' on Adam >> Kindsvater and his family from Kana, Russia; who arrived into the United >> states in 1913 at the port of Galveston, and also stated he had a brother >> Daniel who remained in Russia. The spelling of the surname has been spelled >> many different ways over the years, and was changed to Kinsfather on the >> 1930 Census for Hidalgo, TX. Any pictures you might have of the Kana region >> would be appreciated as well. >> >> ?Not familiar with the villages of Russia or Russian History at all and >> pretty new at researching, so any help would be appreciated. >> Adam Kindsvater is my Grandfather, and I am the Son of Daniel Adam >> Kinsfather. >> >> Will gladly share any information I currently have on his descendants here >> in the US that I know to be factual. >> >> Sincerely >> David Allen Kinsfather >> Lawton, Oklahoma, USA >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2011 14:27:43 -0600 > From: "frank jacobs" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [GV] Kindsvater's of Kana > To: "Dave" <[email protected]>, <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > ? ?reply-type=original > > I looked in Merton's German-Russian Handbook and he lists > Kana , Volga republic (Weisenseite) ?Pallasovka ?Southeast of Seelmann, > Evangelical, Founded 1860. I don't know how that relates to an 1857 census. > > I looked in our Ellis County database and saw one Theodore Kindsvater > married to a Monica Urban in 1941 and another Ed Kindsfather married to a > Frances Dinges in the same county about 1960. > > Propinquity? It is neighboring state to Oklahoma, for what that's worth. > Good luck. > > Mertens also lists daughter colonies of Kano, Caneau, Kaneau, Kanskoye. > > Frank Jacobs, Kansas > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2011 12:10 PM > Subject: [GV] Kindsvater's of Kana > > >> Hello colleagues; >> >> ?Doing research and preparing a family genealogy for my sons' on Adam >> Kindsvater and his family from Kana, Russia; who arrived into the United >> states in 1913 at the port of Galveston, and also stated he had a brother >> Daniel who remained in Russia. The spelling of the surname has been >> spelled >> many different ways over the years, and was changed to Kinsfather on the >> 1930 Census for Hidalgo, TX. Any pictures you might have of the Kana >> region >> would be appreciated as well. >> >> ?Not familiar with the villages of Russia or Russian History at all and >> pretty new at researching, so any help would be appreciated. >> Adam Kindsvater is my Grandfather, and I am the Son of Daniel Adam >> Kinsfather. >> >> Will gladly share any information I currently have on his descendants here >> in the US that I know to be factual. >> >> Sincerely >> David Allen Kinsfather >> Lawton, Oklahoma, USA >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> ======= >> Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. >> (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.16650) >> http://www.pctools.com/ >> ======= > > > > > > ======= > Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. > (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.16650) > http://www.pctools.com/ > ======= > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2011 21:12:10 +0000 > From: Brent Mai <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [GV] Kindsvater's of Kana > To: frank jacobs <[email protected]>, Dave <[email protected]>, > ? ?"[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > There were often colonists living in a daughter colony before it was officially "recognized" by the Russian government. This is the case with Kana which has a census before it was established! > > Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless > > > -----Original message----- > From: frank jacobs <[email protected]> > To: Dave <[email protected]>, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Sent: Sat, Jan 8, 2011 20:28:37 GMT+00:00 > Subject: Re: [GV] Kindsvater's of Kana > > I looked in Merton's German-Russian Handbook and he lists > Kana , Volga republic (Weisenseite) ?Pallasovka ?Southeast of Seelmann, > Evangelical, Founded 1860. I don't know how that relates to an 1857 census. > > I looked in our Ellis County database and saw one Theodore Kindsvater > married to a Monica Urban in 1941 and another Ed Kindsfather married to a > Frances Dinges in the same county about 1960. > > Propinquity? It is neighboring state to Oklahoma, for what that's worth. > Good luck. > > Mertens also lists daughter colonies of Kano, Caneau, Kaneau, Kanskoye. > > Frank Jacobs, Kansas > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2011 12:10 PM > Subject: [GV] Kindsvater's of Kana > > >> Hello colleagues; >> >> ?Doing research and preparing a family genealogy for my sons' on Adam >> Kindsvater and his family from Kana, Russia; who arrived into the United >> states in 1913 at the port of Galveston, and also stated he had a brother >> Daniel who remained in Russia. The spelling of the surname has been >> spelled >> many different ways over the years, and was changed to Kinsfather on the >> 1930 Census for Hidalgo, TX. Any pictures you might have of the Kana >> region >> would be appreciated as well. >> >> ?Not familiar with the villages of Russia or Russian History at all and >> pretty new at researching, so any help would be appreciated. >> Adam Kindsvater is my Grandfather, and I am the Son of Daniel Adam >> Kinsfather. >> >> Will gladly share any information I currently have on his descendants here >> in the US that I know to be factual. >> >> Sincerely >> David Allen Kinsfather >> Lawton, Oklahoma, USA >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> ======= >> Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. >> (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.16650) >> http://www.pctools.com/ >> ======= > > > > > > ======= > Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. > (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.16650) > http://www.pctools.com/ > ======= > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2011 21:16:13 +0000 > From: Brent Mai <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [GV] Kindsvater's of Kana > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>, > ? ?"[email protected]" ? ?<[email protected]>, Dave > ? ?<[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Dietel seems to be the original settlement colony of the Kindsvaters- ?although the 1767 census of Dietel is incomplete and they don't show in the part that is available. > > Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless > > > -----Original message----- > From: William Pickelhaupt <[email protected]> > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>, Dave <[email protected]> > Sent: Sat, Jan 8, 2011 19:55:42 GMT+00:00 > Subject: Re: [GV] Kindsvater's of Kana > > Sergei Kindsvater is an excellent researcher and has lots of information on the Kindsvaters. I don't recall what village his ancestors are from but he is on this list server. A Conrad Kindsvater and his wife Charlotta settled in St. Clair, Michigan in 1904; they have descendants still living in the St. Clair area. > > Bill Pickelhaupt > > --- On Sat, 1/8/11, Dave <[email protected]> wrote: > > > From: Dave <[email protected]> > Subject: [GV] Kindsvater's of Kana > To: [email protected] > Date: Saturday, January 8, 2011, 10:10 AM > > > Hello colleagues; > > ? Doing research and preparing a family genealogy for my sons' on Adam > Kindsvater and his family from Kana, Russia; who arrived into the United > states in 1913 at the port of Galveston, and also stated he had a brother > Daniel who remained in Russia. The spelling of the surname has been spelled > many different ways over the years, and was changed to Kinsfather on the > 1930 Census for Hidalgo, TX. Any pictures you might have of the Kana region > would be appreciated as well. > > ? Not familiar with the villages of Russia or Russian History at all and > pretty new at researching, so any help would be appreciated. > Adam Kindsvater is my Grandfather, and I am the Son of Daniel Adam > Kinsfather. > > Will gladly share any information I currently have on his descendants here > in the US that I know to be factual. > > Sincerely > David Allen Kinsfather > Lawton, Oklahoma, USA > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the GER-VOLGA list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the GER-VOLGA mailing list, send an email to [email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of GER-VOLGA Digest, Vol 6, Issue 5 > *************************************** ------------------------------ To contact the GER-VOLGA list administrator, send an email to [email protected] To post a message to the GER-VOLGA mailing list, send an email to [email protected] __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. 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Brent Mai, University Librarian Director, Center for Volga German Studies http://cvgs.cu-portland.edu Concordia University Portland, Oregon 1850 Jost Surnames Arndt Axt Br?se B?schel Dauer Egof Eichner Flach Friedrich Fuchs Haas Harres Hauch Haupt Heckel Heller Hoffmann Horn Hubert Koch Kraft Lampel Martin Meisner Metzler M?rck Neubauer Peppe Pommer Queisner Reinhardt Ring Rube Rudolph Sch?fer Schledewitz Schleucher Sch?nefeld Stier Tag T?rmer Weber Wenig Movement to/from the following colonies is recorded: Kautz, Reinwald, and Susannental 1857 Jost Surnames (includes maiden names) Adolf Arndt Arnst Axt Becker Bessinger Borger Br?se Braun Bung Busch B?schel Dauer Diener D?ring Egof Eichner Flachs Fleming F?rster Freund Friedrich Friess Fritzler Fuchs Geringer G?bel Gorde Haas Hahn Hammel Harres Haupt Heckel Heidt Heller Hepfner Herrmann Hettrich Himmel Horn Huber Hubert Kaiser Keil Kinzel Kling K?rner Kraft Kreiter Kruse Lampel Lehmann Leikam Leitzel Leonhardt Markus Martin Mattias Maus Meier Meisner Metzler M?rck Muhl M?ller Neubauer Nilmaier Otto Peppe Pfeifer Pommer Preuss Prinz Queisner Reinhardt Ressler Ring Rube Rudolph Sch?fer Scharf Schermer Schiffman Schledewitz Schleucher Schmal Schmidt Sch?nefeld Schreiber Schultz Schumacher Schwabenland Seibert Seiler Sommer Stahlmann Steinhauer Stier St?rck Tag T?rmer Vorath Weber Wegele Weisbrod Weltz Wenig Wolf Wurm W?rtz ------------------------------ To contact the GER-VOLGA list administrator, send an email to [email protected] To post a message to the GER-VOLGA mailing list, send an email to [email protected] __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. 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Rein, Donald F., March 31, 1936- Jan. 6, 2011 Scottsbluff Star Herald Scottsbluff, NE 13 Jan 2011 Donald F. Rein, 74, of Gering, died Thursday, Jan. 6, 2011, at his home. A family and friends gathering will be held from 2 to 4 p.m., Sunday, Jan. 9, at Dugan-Kramer Funeral Chapel in Scottsbluff. Cremation will be at Sunset Memorial Park Crematory in Scottsbluff and his cremains will be scattered at a later time. A memorial has been established in care of the family. Tributes of sympathy may be left at www.dugankramer.com Don was born March 31, 1936, at Minatare to Fred Jr. and Anna (Becker) Rein. At the age of five, his mother, Anna passed away and he was raised by Evelyn (Stumf) Rein. Don grew up in Minatare and graduated from the Minatare High School. In September 1955, he married Norma J. Hauff in Scottsbluff. Don was first employed at Lockwood Manufacturing before beginning his career in the trucking business. He later owned and operated Don Rein and Sons Trucking, expanding his fleet to 17, before ill health forced him to retire. He enjoyed fishing and gambling and was an avid Husker, Bronco, and Stock Car Racing fan. Survivors include his special angel and private nurse, Corlis Koros; son and daughter-in-law, Greg-ory and Clair Rein of Scottsbluff and their children, Caitlin, Cody, Camryn and Keegan; son and daughter-in-law, Rick and Annette Rein of Mitchell and their daughter, Chelsey; sisters, Loretta Long of Billings, Mont. and Patricia Hort of Scottsbluff; numerous nieces and nephews and grandnieces and grandnephews. Don was preceded in death by his parents and brother, Rodney Rein.

Meier, Nathalie "Dolly", Aug. 6, 1916- Jan. 10, 2011 Scottsbluff Star Herald Scottsbluff, NE 13 Jan 2011 Nathalie "Dolly" Meier, 94, of Scottsbluff, peacefully went to be with her Lord Monday, Jan. 10, 2011 at Golden Living-Scottsbluff. Funeral services will be held at 2 p.m. Thursday, Jan. 13, at Emmanuel Congregational Church in Scottsbluff with Pastors John Adams and Don Mathis officiating. Interment will be in Fairview Cemetery. A memorial has been established to Emmanuel Congregational Church Ladies Circle. Friends may call at Dugan-Kramer Funeral Chapel between 9 a.m. – 8 p.m. Wednesday. Tributes of sympathy may be left at www.dugankramer.com Nathalie was born Aug. 6, 1916, in Scottsbluff to Jacob and Eva (Dahlinger) Kramer. She grew up and attended school in Wisconsin and Scottsbluff. She married Alexander Meier July 9, 1933 in Bridgeport. They lived in Michigan before returning to Scottsbluff where Nathalie lived the rest of her life. She was a loving wife, mother and grandmother and worked for several businesses and also at Great Western Sugar Factory. Nathalie was a lifelong member of Emmanuel Congregational Church where she sang in the choir and also a member of the Ladies Circle. Survivors include her children, Ronald (Lois) Meier, Gering, Allen (Charlotte) Meier, Clovis, Calif., Diane (Ron) Lackey, Gering and Steven (Sally) Meier, Mitchell; 14 grandchildren; 19 great-grandchildren and 10 great-great grandchildren. Preceding her in death were her parents; husband; daughter, Arlene; son, Kenneth; six brothers; three sisters and a grandson.

Hello Everyone! Niels Bengt Nielsen has an M.A. in Russian Studies. He studied in Moscow. His website is: www.NBN-Translations.com You may wish to use him as a translator for various items. Best Wishes, Horst Gutsche

Schaneman, Dorothy M., Dec. 26, 1923- Jan. 7, 2011 Scottsbluff Star Herald Scottsbluff, NE 12 Jan 2010 TORRINGTON, Wyo. - Dorothy M. Schaneman, 87, died Friday, Jan. 7, 2011 at the Golden Living Center in Scottsbluff, and cremation has taken place. Memorial services will be held at 2 p.m. Monday, Jan. 17, at the Colyer Funeral Home Chapel with Reverend Ora Dailey officiating. Her ashes will be interred in the Tulocay Cemetery in Napa, Calif. at a later date. A memorial has been established to the American Cancer Society . Arrangements are under the direction of the Colyer Funeral Home and friends may send condolences to the family at www.colyerfuneralhome.com. Dorothy was born Dec. 26, 1923, in Wheatland, Wyo. the daughter of Clarence and Bertha (Reffalt) Farnham. She grew up and attended grade school in Lingle, Wyo. and later attended high school in Torrington. She married Floyd Johnston Aug. 9, 1941 outside of Ft. Lewis, Wash. They moved around with the Army and later the Army Air Born. They were three years in France, Japan for a year and a half, and many places in the United States. They lived in Napa, Calif. for twenty years. Floyd died in 1988 and she moved back to Torrington in 1994. She married Martin Schaneman Jr. on Feb. 14, 1995 and he died in 2007. Both sets of her grandparents came to Goshen County to homestead south of Ft. Laramie in the Harmony Heights area. The Reffalts in 1914. Dorothy enjoyed crocheting, knitting, embroidery, bowling and was considered one of the best mother-in-laws. Survivors include her daughter, Sandra Silveira and her husband David of Napa, Calif.; stepson, Mike Schaneman of Lake Dallas, Texas; stepdaughter, Sandy Schaneman of Torrance, Calif.; grandson, Andy Schaneman of Morrill; and many loving nieces and nephews. Preceding her in death were her parents; two husbands; sister, Lucille Mason; and granddaughter, Aimee Mae Silveira.

Frank, Helen L., Dec. 26, 1926-Jan. 7, 2011 Billings Gazette Billings, MT 11 Jan 2010 PHOENIX — Helen L. Frank, 84, of Phoenix, passed away Friday, Jan. 7, 2011. Helen was born Dec. 26, 1926, in Helena, Mont., the daughter of Hilmar and Lillian Waage. While Helen was attending grade school in Laurel, Mont., she met Victor Frank. They were later married on Jan. 22, 1949. They moved to Denver in 1950. Helen worked as a telephone operator in Laurel and Denver. They moved back to Laurel in 1952, where Helen was a housewife and mother to Debra and Jeffrey. In 1962 they moved to Phoenix, where Rick was born. After raising her children, Helen began working at a daycare preschool. Helen is survived by her husband, Victor H. Frank; children Debra (Glenn) Sahl, Jeffrey Frank and Rick (Sharon) Frank; grandchildren, Erik Sahl, Mark (Kayla) Sahl, Tiffany Frank and Daniel Frank; great-grandchildren Leah Sahl and Mia Frank. Helen was a loving wife, mother, grandmother and great-grandmother. Funeral services will be held at 11 a.m. on Tuesday, Jan. 11, at Church of the Beatitudes, 555 W. Glendale Ave., Phoenix. Private family burial services will be held. Donations may be made to Hospice of the Valley, 1510 E. Flower St., Phoenix, AZ 85014. Arrangements entrusted to Tempe Mortuary, Tempe, Ariz.

Contact me for further information. ..............Brent............ Brent Mai, University Librarian Director, Center for Volga German Studies http://cvgs.cu-portland.edu Concordia University Portland, Oregon 1850 Jost Surnames Arndt Axt Bräse Büschel Dauer Egof Eichner Flach Friedrich Fuchs Haas Harres Hauch Haupt Heckel Heller Hoffmann Horn Hubert Koch Kraft Lampel Martin Meisner Metzler Mörck Neubauer Peppe Pommer Queisner Reinhardt Ring Rube Rudolph Schäfer Schledewitz Schleucher Schönefeld Stier Tag Törmer Weber Wenig Movement to/from the following colonies is recorded: Kautz, Reinwald, and Susannental 1857 Jost Surnames (includes maiden names) Adolf Arndt Arnst Axt Becker Bessinger Borger Bräse Braun Bung Busch Büschel Dauer Diener Döring Egof Eichner Flachs Fleming Förster Freund Friedrich Friess Fritzler Fuchs Geringer Göbel Gorde Haas Hahn Hammel Harres Haupt Heckel Heidt Heller Hepfner Herrmann Hettrich Himmel Horn Huber Hubert Kaiser Keil Kinzel Kling Körner Kraft Kreiter Kruse Lampel Lehmann Leikam Leitzel Leonhardt Markus Martin Mattias Maus Meier Meisner Metzler Mörck Muhl Müller Neubauer Nilmaier Otto Peppe Pfeifer Pommer Preuss Prinz Queisner Reinhardt Ressler Ring Rube Rudolph Schäfer Scharf Schermer Schiffman Schledewitz Schleucher Schmal Schmidt Schönefeld Schreiber Schultz Schumacher Schwabenland Seibert Seiler Sommer Stahlmann Steinhauer Stier Störck Tag Törmer Vorath Weber Wegele Weisbrod Weltz Wenig Wolf Wurm Würtz

Walter, Delbert G., Dec. 25, 1938- Friday, Jan. 7, 2011 Billings Gazette Billings, MT 10 Jan 2010 Delbert G. Walter, 72, of Billings, formerly of Custer, passed away of natural causes at his winter home in Yuma, Ariz., Friday, Jan. 7, 2011. Delbert was born in Billings on Dec. 25, 1938, the son of George and Rachel Walter. He graduated from Billings Senior High in 1956 and farmed west of Billings with his dad until 1962. He married Carol Jean Fitchner on Sept. 22, 1961, in Billings. Delbert and Carol moved to Custer, Mont., where they farmed, ranched and raised their four children, a son and three daughters. He was voted Outstanding Young Farmer by the Yellowstone County Jaycees in 1970. Over the years he served as a director on several boards including the NILE, Farm Home Administration, Custer Congregational Church Board, Custer school board, and irrigation boards. For several years he was recognized as one of the top sugar beet growers by Western Sugar Company. Delbert and Carol enjoyed spending time with family and friends, and spoiling their grandchildren. They enjoyed traveling (one of his favorite vacations was a trip to New Zealand) and spending winters in Arizona. Carol passed away Dec. 30, 1998. Delbert later met and married Paula Burch in 2000. He retired from farming and ranching in 2001, and he and Paula built a home in Red Lodge. They later moved to Billings to live closer to their children, and enjoyed their winters at their home in Arizona. They spent ten happy years together enjoying golfing, traveling, gardening, and laughing with family and friends. Survivors include his spouse, Paula of Billings, his son Kim (Lynn) Walter; three daughters, Cindy (Jim) Foley, Sheri (Kevin) Kirschenmann, and Teri (Mark) Smith; three stepchildren, Richard (Angelia) Sparrow, Kevin (Teri) Sparrow, and Becky Sims; numerous grandchildren and great grandchildren; brothers Harvey (Hazel) Walter of Forsyth, Melvin Walter of Hardin, sisters, Gerry (Herb) Mangis of Billings, and Jeanette (Dan) Koch of Laurel. He was preceded in death by his parents; wife Carol; and sister JoAnn. "Our joys are greater" "Our love is deeper" "Our lives are fuller" BECAUSE OF YOU A Memorial service will be held at 11 a.m. Thursday, Jan. 13, at First Congregational Church, 310 N. 27th St., Billings. Cremation has taken place in Yuma, Ariz. In lieu of flowers, any memorials may be made to the charity of your choice.

Sergei, In your research, have you ever come across Wiederspahn or Hoffeber in Pyatigorsk? My Grandmother said she came from Pyatigorski,Bethenien I believe. Susan Hubenthal "We are, each of us, angels with one wing and we can fly only by embracing one another." ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 12:00:04 AM Subject: GER-VOLGA Digest, Vol 6, Issue 8 Today's Topics:    1. Re: Kindsvater (S. Zitzer)    2. Re: Kindsvater's of Kana (Sergej Kindsvater) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 17:01:17 -0800 (PST) From: "S. Zitzer" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [GV] Kindsvater To: Jerry and Fran Goertzen <[email protected]> Cc: [email protected], German Volga Roots Web <[email protected]> Message-ID:         <[email protected]> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII    I don't know if this helps anyone, but my Grandmother worked for a Kindsvater family in Saratov about 1910 - 1912. My aunt wrote that they had an "electrical and bicycle business".  My Grandmother worked as a live-in maid.       Best wishes,            Sally Zitzer ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 21:43:47 -1000 From: Sergej Kindsvater <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [GV] Kindsvater's of Kana To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain;        charset=us-ascii David, You may want to check this link: http://www.kindsvater.net/phpgedview/individual.php?pid=I633&ged=kindsvaters.ged Your grandfather is from Kanowo, now part of Prokhladnoye by Pyatigorsk in Caucasus. There have been quite a lot of Kindsvaters there. I met some in Germany. I guess they might have been from Huck originally, but have no paper trail. Make a DNA test to be sure Huck or Dietel. Best regards, Sergej Kindsvater Am 08.01.2011 um 11:16 schrieb [email protected]: > > > Today's Topics: > >   1. Re: Kindsvater's of Kana (Brent Mai) >   2. Re: Kindsvater's of Kana (frank jacobs) >   3. Re: Kindsvater's of Kana (Brent Mai) >   4. Re: Kindsvater's of Kana (Brent Mai) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2011 19:57:14 +0000 > From: Brent Mai <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [GV] Kindsvater's of Kana > To: "S. Zitzer" <[email protected]> > Cc: Dave <[email protected]>, "[email protected]" >    <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Yes they are different colonies. But as the website indicates Kana was also known as Kaneau. I don't know how to be any clearer? Suggestions? > > Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless > > > -----Original message----- > From: "S. Zitzer" <[email protected]> > To: Brent Mai <[email protected]> > Cc: Dave <[email protected]>, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Sent: Sat, Jan 8, 2011 19:43:52 GMT+00:00 > Subject: Re: [GV] Kindsvater's of Kana > > >   I find that web page confusing.  My ancestors first settled > in Kaneau which is very close to Katharinenstadt and is in > Pleve's first settlers book volume 2.  It was established > in 1767.  Katharinenstadt and Kaneau were way north of the > village on the web page below. > >   The web page below lists Kaneau as an alternative spelling > for Kana but it is a different village established in 1860. > >        Sincerely, > >            Sally Zitzer > > On Sat, 8 Jan 2011, Brent Mai wrote: > >> Dave: There is a little info about Kana at: >> >> http://cvgs.cu-portland.edu/settlements/daughter_colonies/colony_kana.cfm >> >> I have translated the 1857 census of Kana, but there were no Kindsvaters there at that time. >> ..................Brent............... >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dave >> Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2011 10:11 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: [GV] Kindsvater's of Kana >> >> Hello colleagues; >> >>  Doing research and preparing a family genealogy for my sons' on Adam >> Kindsvater and his family from Kana, Russia; who arrived into the United >> states in 1913 at the port of Galveston, and also stated he had a brother >> Daniel who remained in Russia. The spelling of the surname has been spelled >> many different ways over the years, and was changed to Kinsfather on the >> 1930 Census for Hidalgo, TX. Any pictures you might have of the Kana region >> would be appreciated as well. >> >>  Not familiar with the villages of Russia or Russian History at all and >> pretty new at researching, so any help would be appreciated. >> Adam Kindsvater is my Grandfather, and I am the Son of Daniel Adam >> Kinsfather. >> >> Will gladly share any information I currently have on his descendants here >> in the US that I know to be factual. >> >> Sincerely >> David Allen Kinsfather >> Lawton, Oklahoma, USA >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2011 14:27:43 -0600 > From: "frank jacobs" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [GV] Kindsvater's of Kana > To: "Dave" <[email protected]>, <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >    reply-type=original > > I looked in Merton's German-Russian Handbook and he lists > Kana , Volga republic (Weisenseite)  Pallasovka  Southeast of Seelmann, > Evangelical, Founded 1860. I don't know how that relates to an 1857 census. > > I looked in our Ellis County database and saw one Theodore Kindsvater > married to a Monica Urban in 1941 and another Ed Kindsfather married to a > Frances Dinges in the same county about 1960. > > Propinquity? It is neighboring state to Oklahoma, for what that's worth. > Good luck. > > Mertens also lists daughter colonies of Kano, Caneau, Kaneau, Kanskoye. > > Frank Jacobs, Kansas > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2011 12:10 PM > Subject: [GV] Kindsvater's of Kana > > >> Hello colleagues; >> >>  Doing research and preparing a family genealogy for my sons' on Adam >> Kindsvater and his family from Kana, Russia; who arrived into the United >> states in 1913 at the port of Galveston, and also stated he had a brother >> Daniel who remained in Russia. The spelling of the surname has been >> spelled >> many different ways over the years, and was changed to Kinsfather on the >> 1930 Census for Hidalgo, TX. Any pictures you might have of the Kana >> region >> would be appreciated as well. >> >>  Not familiar with the villages of Russia or Russian History at all and >> pretty new at researching, so any help would be appreciated. >> Adam Kindsvater is my Grandfather, and I am the Son of Daniel Adam >> Kinsfather. >> >> Will gladly share any information I currently have on his descendants here >> in the US that I know to be factual. >> >> Sincerely >> David Allen Kinsfather >> Lawton, Oklahoma, USA >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> ======= >> Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. >> (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.16650) >> http://www.pctools.com/ >> ======= > > > > > > ======= > Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. > (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.16650) > http://www.pctools.com/ > ======= > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2011 21:12:10 +0000 > From: Brent Mai <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [GV] Kindsvater's of Kana > To: frank jacobs <[email protected]>, Dave <[email protected]>, >    "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > There were often colonists living in a daughter colony before it was officially "recognized" by the Russian government. This is the case with Kana which has a census before it was established! > > Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless > > > -----Original message----- > From: frank jacobs <[email protected]> > To: Dave <[email protected]>, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Sent: Sat, Jan 8, 2011 20:28:37 GMT+00:00 > Subject: Re: [GV] Kindsvater's of Kana > > I looked in Merton's German-Russian Handbook and he lists > Kana , Volga republic (Weisenseite)  Pallasovka  Southeast of Seelmann, > Evangelical, Founded 1860. I don't know how that relates to an 1857 census. > > I looked in our Ellis County database and saw one Theodore Kindsvater > married to a Monica Urban in 1941 and another Ed Kindsfather married to a > Frances Dinges in the same county about 1960. > > Propinquity? It is neighboring state to Oklahoma, for what that's worth. > Good luck. > > Mertens also lists daughter colonies of Kano, Caneau, Kaneau, Kanskoye. > > Frank Jacobs, Kansas > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2011 12:10 PM > Subject: [GV] Kindsvater's of Kana > > >> Hello colleagues; >> >>  Doing research and preparing a family genealogy for my sons' on Adam >> Kindsvater and his family from Kana, Russia; who arrived into the United >> states in 1913 at the port of Galveston, and also stated he had a brother >> Daniel who remained in Russia. The spelling of the surname has been >> spelled >> many different ways over the years, and was changed to Kinsfather on the >> 1930 Census for Hidalgo, TX. Any pictures you might have of the Kana >> region >> would be appreciated as well. >> >>  Not familiar with the villages of Russia or Russian History at all and >> pretty new at researching, so any help would be appreciated. >> Adam Kindsvater is my Grandfather, and I am the Son of Daniel Adam >> Kinsfather. >> >> Will gladly share any information I currently have on his descendants here >> in the US that I know to be factual. >> >> Sincerely >> David Allen Kinsfather >> Lawton, Oklahoma, USA >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> ======= >> Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. >> (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.16650) >> http://www.pctools.com/ >> ======= > > > > > > ======= > Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. > (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.16650) > http://www.pctools.com/ > ======= > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2011 21:16:13 +0000 > From: Brent Mai <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [GV] Kindsvater's of Kana > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>, >    "[email protected]"    <[email protected]>, Dave >    <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Dietel seems to be the original settlement colony of the Kindsvaters-  although the 1767 census of Dietel is incomplete and they don't show in the part that is available. > > Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless > > > -----Original message----- > From: William Pickelhaupt <[email protected]> > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>, Dave <[email protected]> > Sent: Sat, Jan 8, 2011 19:55:42 GMT+00:00 > Subject: Re: [GV] Kindsvater's of Kana > > Sergei Kindsvater is an excellent researcher and has lots of information on the Kindsvaters. I don't recall what village his ancestors are from but he is on this list server. A Conrad Kindsvater and his wife Charlotta settled in St. Clair, Michigan in 1904; they have descendants still living in the St. Clair area. > > Bill Pickelhaupt > > --- On Sat, 1/8/11, Dave <[email protected]> wrote: > > > From: Dave <[email protected]> > Subject: [GV] Kindsvater's of Kana > To: [email protected] > Date: Saturday, January 8, 2011, 10:10 AM > > > Hello colleagues; > >   Doing research and preparing a family genealogy for my sons' on Adam > Kindsvater and his family from Kana, Russia; who arrived into the United > states in 1913 at the port of Galveston, and also stated he had a brother > Daniel who remained in Russia. The spelling of the surname has been spelled > many different ways over the years, and was changed to Kinsfather on the > 1930 Census for Hidalgo, TX. Any pictures you might have of the Kana region > would be appreciated as well. > >   Not familiar with the villages of Russia or Russian History at all and > pretty new at researching, so any help would be appreciated. > Adam Kindsvater is my Grandfather, and I am the Son of Daniel Adam > Kinsfather. > > Will gladly share any information I currently have on his descendants here > in the US that I know to be factual. > > Sincerely > David Allen Kinsfather > Lawton, Oklahoma, USA > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the GER-VOLGA list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the GER-VOLGA mailing list, send an email to [email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of GER-VOLGA Digest, Vol 6, Issue 5 > *************************************** ------------------------------ To contact the GER-VOLGA list administrator, send an email to [email protected] To post a message to the GER-VOLGA mailing list, send an email to [email protected] __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. 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David, You may want to check this link: http://www.kindsvater.net/phpgedview/individual.php?pid=I633&ged=kindsvaters.ged Your grandfather is from Kanowo, now part of Prokhladnoye by Pyatigorsk in Caucasus. There have been quite a lot of Kindsvaters there. I met some in Germany. I guess they might have been from Huck originally, but have no paper trail. Make a DNA test to be sure Huck or Dietel. Best regards, Sergej Kindsvater Am 08.01.2011 um 11:16 schrieb [email protected]: > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Kindsvater's of Kana (Brent Mai) > 2. Re: Kindsvater's of Kana (frank jacobs) > 3. Re: Kindsvater's of Kana (Brent Mai) > 4. Re: Kindsvater's of Kana (Brent Mai) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2011 19:57:14 +0000 > From: Brent Mai <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [GV] Kindsvater's of Kana > To: "S. Zitzer" <[email protected]> > Cc: Dave <[email protected]>, "[email protected]" > <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Yes they are different colonies. But as the website indicates Kana was also known as Kaneau. I don't know how to be any clearer? Suggestions? > > Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless > > > -----Original message----- > From: "S. Zitzer" <[email protected]> > To: Brent Mai <[email protected]> > Cc: Dave <[email protected]>, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Sent: Sat, Jan 8, 2011 19:43:52 GMT+00:00 > Subject: Re: [GV] Kindsvater's of Kana > > > I find that web page confusing. My ancestors first settled > in Kaneau which is very close to Katharinenstadt and is in > Pleve's first settlers book volume 2. It was established > in 1767. Katharinenstadt and Kaneau were way north of the > village on the web page below. > > The web page below lists Kaneau as an alternative spelling > for Kana but it is a different village established in 1860. > > Sincerely, > > Sally Zitzer > > On Sat, 8 Jan 2011, Brent Mai wrote: > >> Dave: There is a little info about Kana at: >> >> http://cvgs.cu-portland.edu/settlements/daughter_colonies/colony_kana.cfm >> >> I have translated the 1857 census of Kana, but there were no Kindsvaters there at that time. >> ..................Brent............... >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dave >> Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2011 10:11 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: [GV] Kindsvater's of Kana >> >> Hello colleagues; >> >> Doing research and preparing a family genealogy for my sons' on Adam >> Kindsvater and his family from Kana, Russia; who arrived into the United >> states in 1913 at the port of Galveston, and also stated he had a brother >> Daniel who remained in Russia. The spelling of the surname has been spelled >> many different ways over the years, and was changed to Kinsfather on the >> 1930 Census for Hidalgo, TX. Any pictures you might have of the Kana region >> would be appreciated as well. >> >> Not familiar with the villages of Russia or Russian History at all and >> pretty new at researching, so any help would be appreciated. >> Adam Kindsvater is my Grandfather, and I am the Son of Daniel Adam >> Kinsfather. >> >> Will gladly share any information I currently have on his descendants here >> in the US that I know to be factual. >> >> Sincerely >> David Allen Kinsfather >> Lawton, Oklahoma, USA >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2011 14:27:43 -0600 > From: "frank jacobs" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [GV] Kindsvater's of Kana > To: "Dave" <[email protected]>, <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > I looked in Merton's German-Russian Handbook and he lists > Kana , Volga republic (Weisenseite) Pallasovka Southeast of Seelmann, > Evangelical, Founded 1860. I don't know how that relates to an 1857 census. > > I looked in our Ellis County database and saw one Theodore Kindsvater > married to a Monica Urban in 1941 and another Ed Kindsfather married to a > Frances Dinges in the same county about 1960. > > Propinquity? It is neighboring state to Oklahoma, for what that's worth. > Good luck. > > Mertens also lists daughter colonies of Kano, Caneau, Kaneau, Kanskoye. > > Frank Jacobs, Kansas > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2011 12:10 PM > Subject: [GV] Kindsvater's of Kana > > >> Hello colleagues; >> >> Doing research and preparing a family genealogy for my sons' on Adam >> Kindsvater and his family from Kana, Russia; who arrived into the United >> states in 1913 at the port of Galveston, and also stated he had a brother >> Daniel who remained in Russia. The spelling of the surname has been >> spelled >> many different ways over the years, and was changed to Kinsfather on the >> 1930 Census for Hidalgo, TX. Any pictures you might have of the Kana >> region >> would be appreciated as well. >> >> Not familiar with the villages of Russia or Russian History at all and >> pretty new at researching, so any help would be appreciated. >> Adam Kindsvater is my Grandfather, and I am the Son of Daniel Adam >> Kinsfather. >> >> Will gladly share any information I currently have on his descendants here >> in the US that I know to be factual. >> >> Sincerely >> David Allen Kinsfather >> Lawton, Oklahoma, USA >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> ======= >> Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. >> (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.16650) >> http://www.pctools.com/ >> ======= > > > > > > ======= > Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. > (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.16650) > http://www.pctools.com/ > ======= > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2011 21:12:10 +0000 > From: Brent Mai <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [GV] Kindsvater's of Kana > To: frank jacobs <[email protected]>, Dave <[email protected]>, > "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > There were often colonists living in a daughter colony before it was officially "recognized" by the Russian government. This is the case with Kana which has a census before it was established! > > Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless > > > -----Original message----- > From: frank jacobs <[email protected]> > To: Dave <[email protected]>, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Sent: Sat, Jan 8, 2011 20:28:37 GMT+00:00 > Subject: Re: [GV] Kindsvater's of Kana > > I looked in Merton's German-Russian Handbook and he lists > Kana , Volga republic (Weisenseite) Pallasovka Southeast of Seelmann, > Evangelical, Founded 1860. I don't know how that relates to an 1857 census. > > I looked in our Ellis County database and saw one Theodore Kindsvater > married to a Monica Urban in 1941 and another Ed Kindsfather married to a > Frances Dinges in the same county about 1960. > > Propinquity? It is neighboring state to Oklahoma, for what that's worth. > Good luck. > > Mertens also lists daughter colonies of Kano, Caneau, Kaneau, Kanskoye. > > Frank Jacobs, Kansas > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2011 12:10 PM > Subject: [GV] Kindsvater's of Kana > > >> Hello colleagues; >> >> Doing research and preparing a family genealogy for my sons' on Adam >> Kindsvater and his family from Kana, Russia; who arrived into the United >> states in 1913 at the port of Galveston, and also stated he had a brother >> Daniel who remained in Russia. The spelling of the surname has been >> spelled >> many different ways over the years, and was changed to Kinsfather on the >> 1930 Census for Hidalgo, TX. Any pictures you might have of the Kana >> region >> would be appreciated as well. >> >> Not familiar with the villages of Russia or Russian History at all and >> pretty new at researching, so any help would be appreciated. >> Adam Kindsvater is my Grandfather, and I am the Son of Daniel Adam >> Kinsfather. >> >> Will gladly share any information I currently have on his descendants here >> in the US that I know to be factual. >> >> Sincerely >> David Allen Kinsfather >> Lawton, Oklahoma, USA >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> ======= >> Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. >> (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.16650) >> http://www.pctools.com/ >> ======= > > > > > > ======= > Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. > (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.16650) > http://www.pctools.com/ > ======= > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2011 21:16:13 +0000 > From: Brent Mai <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [GV] Kindsvater's of Kana > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>, > "[email protected]" <[email protected]>, Dave > <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Dietel seems to be the original settlement colony of the Kindsvaters- although the 1767 census of Dietel is incomplete and they don't show in the part that is available. > > Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless > > > -----Original message----- > From: William Pickelhaupt <[email protected]> > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>, Dave <[email protected]> > Sent: Sat, Jan 8, 2011 19:55:42 GMT+00:00 > Subject: Re: [GV] Kindsvater's of Kana > > Sergei Kindsvater is an excellent researcher and has lots of information on the Kindsvaters. I don't recall what village his ancestors are from but he is on this list server. A Conrad Kindsvater and his wife Charlotta settled in St. Clair, Michigan in 1904; they have descendants still living in the St. Clair area. > > Bill Pickelhaupt > > --- On Sat, 1/8/11, Dave <[email protected]> wrote: > > > From: Dave <[email protected]> > Subject: [GV] Kindsvater's of Kana > To: [email protected] > Date: Saturday, January 8, 2011, 10:10 AM > > > Hello colleagues; > > Doing research and preparing a family genealogy for my sons' on Adam > Kindsvater and his family from Kana, Russia; who arrived into the United > states in 1913 at the port of Galveston, and also stated he had a brother > Daniel who remained in Russia. The spelling of the surname has been spelled > many different ways over the years, and was changed to Kinsfather on the > 1930 Census for Hidalgo, TX. Any pictures you might have of the Kana region > would be appreciated as well. > > Not familiar with the villages of Russia or Russian History at all and > pretty new at researching, so any help would be appreciated. > Adam Kindsvater is my Grandfather, and I am the Son of Daniel Adam > Kinsfather. > > Will gladly share any information I currently have on his descendants here > in the US that I know to be factual. > > Sincerely > David Allen Kinsfather > Lawton, Oklahoma, USA > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the GER-VOLGA list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the GER-VOLGA mailing list, send an email to [email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of GER-VOLGA Digest, Vol 6, Issue 5 > ***************************************

Colleagues; Thank you all for the many responses to my inquiry. The web sites mentioned I have already been to and have found some of the information helpful and some of it very confusing and allot of missing links. The biggest issue I have with doing research on the web is you have to rely on others inputting the data correctly off the paper work they are transcribing. I have found my Family Surname spelled 8 (eight) different ways just here in the US, and the only reason I know it was them is the fact I had prior knowledge of where they were at a given time. Will continue my research and if any of you come across any information in regards to the Kindsvater surname other than what is already out here, drop me a note would appreciate it. Sincerely David Kinsfather

I don't know if this helps anyone, but my Grandmother worked for a Kindsvater family in Saratov about 1910 - 1912. My aunt wrote that they had an "electrical and bicycle business". My Grandmother worked as a live-in maid. Best wishes, Sally Zitzer

Dave: I read your inquiry on the Ger-Volga site. I am also related to Kindsvater and have done considerable research on that line. My great grandmother was a Kindsvater born in 1844 and I have her line back to Hartmann Kindsvater (born 1723). Hartmann was the original and only Kindsvater to settle in the Volga, so all Volga Kindsvaters can be traced back to him. I don't have any record of a Kindsvater going to Kana. My cousin, Harold Kindsvater and his wife, Linda have more data on Kindsvater since they visited cousins in Germany that moved to Germany instead of the U.S.A. They researched in German Parish records and have ancestors back to 1586 in Pfalz Germany. You might want to contact them at < [email protected] >. My ancestrol line descends from Hartmann's son, Philipp and Harold's line is from Werner. The last I know of Daniel's line, they stayed in Dietel. Hartmann had seven sons. Years ago, I was in contact with an Adam Kindsvater in Germany and have his information. I would be interested to see what you have. Jerry Goertzen AHSGR-CCC, Fresno, CA

I'm a descendant of Martin Albrecht of Norka. He was born 1748 in Pferdsbach, Isenburg, Hessen. The only pictures I have of the Norka Reformed Church are from the Norka Website and from a cousin, Ruth Schultz. Ruth has been there and has pictures of Norka in present times. The website has a collection of historical Norka in pictures and stories. To get to the Norka website, go to http://www.ahsgr.org , click on 'village Coordinators, go to Norka and Jerry Kruger and click on the website. I hope you find what you need. Jerry Goertzen

Weigum, Wilbert "Willie" Marvin, Nov. 22, 1937- Jan. 7, 2011 Billings Gazette Billings, MT 9 Jan 2011 GLENDIVE — Wilbert "Willie" Marvin Weigum, age 73, passed away on Friday, Jan. 7, 2011, at the Glendive Medical Center in Glendive. Visitation will be held from 10 a.m. until 5 p.m. and from 6 until 8 p.m. on Monday, Jan. 10, at the Silvernale-Silha Funeral Home in Glendive. Funeral Services will be held at 2 p.m. on Tuesday, Jan. 11, at Zion Lutheran Church in Glendive with Pastor Avis Anderson officiating. Interment will be in the Dawson Memorial Cemetery in Glendive. Silvernale-Silha Funeral Home of Glendive has been entrusted with the arrangements. Willie was born on Nov. 22, 1937, in Halliday, N. D., the son of Fred and Hertha (Frank) Weigum. Willie was raised and educated in western North Dakota attending various schools before graduating from New Town High School in New Town, N. D., with the class of 1956. Willie then attended the University of North Dakota in Grand Forks, N. D., before moving to Glendive where he was worked for the Texaco Bulk Plant and attended Dawson Community College, graduating in 1961 with an Associates Degree in Business. While living in Glendive, Willie met Gladys Malmin and they were united in marriage on June 21, 1959. Willie started his career as a public accountant when he was employed with Vern G. Paulson, P.A. from 1961 to 1971. In 1972, he and Erv Schimke formed the partnership Schimke & Weigum which they ran together until 1993 when Erv passed away. Willie then turned their partnership into Weigum & Associates which he owned and operated until his retirement in 1997. Willie loved and cherished the time he spent with his grandchildren. He also enjoyed researching history, gardening, and going to Makoshika State Park. In his spare time, Willie was either outside hunting and fishing or inside watching football and baseball, and he was an avid Atlanta Braves fan. Willie was a member of the Glendive Moose Lodge, Glendive Jaycees, Zion Lutheran Church, Cottonwood Country Club and Glendive Noon Lions. He also sat on various boards; Dawson County High School, Grandview Retirement Home, Dawson County Public Library, Miss Montana Pageant and was a councilman for the City of Glendive. Willie was preceded in death by his parents. He is survived by his loving wife Gladys Weigum of Glendive; son, Brian (Frances) Weigum of Glendive; daughters, Shelly (Jim) Christianson of Glendive, Carol (Mike) Maynard of Helena, Mont., DeAnn (Doug) Johnson of Gilbert, Ariz.; three sisters, Betty (Melvin) Kegley of New Carlisle, Ind., Donna (George) Quast of Hazen, N. D., Jo Ann (Norman) Goosen of Bloomfield, Mont.; one aunt, Ruth Horning of Glendive; eight grandchildren, Kayla, Jarrod, Kali, Kori, Jennifer, Riann, Haeley, and Hanna; and numerous nieces and nephews. Remembrances and condolences may be shared with the family at: www.silvernale-silhafuneralhome.com

Frickle, Gloria I, Sept. 17, 1926- Jan. 6, 2011 Billings Gazette Billings, MT 9 Jan 2011 Gloria I. Frickle passed away peacefully, surrounded by love from family, on Jan. 6, 2011, at the age of 84. Gloria was born to Peter and Ernestine Bell Thelen in Milwaukee, Wis., on Sept. 17, 1926. Her primary education began in Wisconsin and continued in Wyoming and Montana. She attended Billings Senior High School and graduated from Cutbank High School. Gloria's life calling became nursing. She graduated from nursing school in 1947 and worked in surgery at St. Vincent's Hospital for 27 years until her career was cut short at the age of 47 when she suffered a stroke. In her heart, she remained a nurse and took great pride in passing that trait to daughter Gloria, and granddaughter Sara. She met her future husband and love of her life while attending nursing school and married Wally Frickle on Oct. 11, 1947, in Billings. They were married for 42 years until Wally's death in 1989. All memories of Gloria will begin and end with a smile as her greatest attribute was her sense of humor. If laughter could have saved her on earth, she would have lived forever. Look out heaven, here she comes. Gloria was the middle child in a family of seven and her life revolved around siblings, spouses, and extended family. She was a devoted wife, mother of five, loving grandmother of 16, great grandmother of 15, and great, great grandmother of one. Gloria is survived by her children, James Frickle (Sandra), Teri Curtiss, (Ronald), Steve Frickle (Rosie), Bob Frickle (Helen) all of Billings and her daughter Gloria Adams (Grant) of Big Canoe, Ga. Her grandchildren Tami Herzog (Rob) of Rocksberry, N. J., TJ Frickle (Sonal) of Kalispell, Mont., Marc Frickle of Helena, Mont., Josh Frickle of Portland, Ore., Scott Steffanich of Denver, Colo., Stuart Steffanich (Mary) of Los Vegas, Nev., Sara Rose of Billings, Elisha Curtiss of Boise, Idaho, Ron Curtiss (Christy) of Boise, Idaho, Mike Frickle (Nicole), Amanda Frickle, Jake Frickle (Sarah), Jesse Frickle, Katrina Frickle of Billings, Drew Adams and Brooke Adams of Big Canoe, Ga. Her Great Grandchildren, McKenzie Herzog, Jake Steffanich, Shay Steffanich, Cole Steffanich, Kayla Curtiss, Seth Curtiss, Christian Curtiss, Conner Curtiss, Spencer Gluemac, Joey Frickle, Alex Fettig, Schuyler Martinez, Sydney Frickle, Shea Frickle, and Savannah Frickle. Her sisters, Joyce Glennon and Leora Frickle, her sister-in-laws, Jo Thelen and Lura Thelen of Billings, and Marie Thelen of Connecticut. She is also survived by 44 nieces and nephews. She was preceded in death by her husband, Wally Frickle; her father and mother, Pete and Ernestine Thelen; her sister, Marion Hanchett; her brothers, Dick, Loren, and Jim Thelen; her brother in laws, Roy Frickle, Bill Glennon and John Hanchett; and her nephew, Bill Glennon. Special thanks need to be sent out to many for the loving care of our mother. In particular, we would like to thank Bobby and Helen Frickle for sharing their home and family with Gloria when it was needed most and Riverstone Hospice for their warm care during her final days on earth. Visitation will be on Sunday, 1 to 5 p.m. and Monday, 10 a.m. to 5 p.m. at Dahl Funeral Chapel. Vigil Services will be held on Monday, Jan. 10, at 7 p.m. The Funeral Mass will be held Tuesday, Jan. 11, at 10 a.m. Both will be held at St. Pius Catholic Church located at 717 18th Street West, Billings, MT. Rite of Committal will be in Holy Cross Cemetery. Arrangements are in the care of Dahl Funeral Chapel and memories may be shared with the family.