Schledewitz, Cheryl Lee, July 23, 1946- Jan. 16, 2011 Scottsbluff Star Herald Scottsbluff, NE 21 Jan 2011 MITCHELL - Cheryl Lee Schledewitz, 64, died Sunday, Jan. 16, 2011, at her home peacefully in her sleep. Funeral services will be held at 10 a.m. Thursday, Jan. 20, at the Jones Mortuary Chapel with Pastor Garry Schick officiating. Burial will follow at Mitchell Valley Cemetery. Visitation will be Wednesday, Jan. 19 from 1 to 7 p.m. at the mortuary. Memorials may be made in care of the family to be designated at a later date. Online condolences may be made at www.jones-mortuary.com Jones Mortuary is assisting the family with arrangements. Cheryl was born July 23, 1946, in Scottsbluff to James Edward and Nata (Senteney) Haddix. She grew up and attended school in Mitchell. Cheryl and Richard C. Schledewitz were united in marriage on Nov. 21, 1962, at Salem Congregational Church in Scottsbluff. Their only child, Jeffrey R. Schledewitz was born September 1963. Cheryl and Richard lived on various farms in the rural Mitchell area over the past 30 years. She was a loving wife, mother and grandmother. She enjoyed spending time with her family and she and her sisters had a special closeness. Cheryl was an avid reader and a Husker fan. She also enjoyed taking a day trip to Prairie Winds. Survivors include her husband Richard; son, Jeff (Rhonda) Schledewitz of Gering; grandchildren, James Schledewitz (fiancé Joanna Kochenower) and Sydni Schledewitz; sisters, Barbara Blanco, Dorothy (Ernest) Eskam all of Mitchell, Charlene Needham of Arvada, Colo. and Anita Fey of Scottsbluff; sisters-in-law and brothers-in-law, Delores (Delbert) Vogel, Shirley Huck, Robert (Sharon) Schledewitz and Dianna (James) Lashley, as well as several nieces and nephews. Preceding her in death were her parents as well as her father and mother-in-law, Conrad and Katherine Schledewitz.

Hello All, My search for my grandparents, Jacob Hofferber & Katherine Margaret  Wiederspahn b. 10/1879 in Bethany, according to family records, but als o have seen it as Walter,  has l ed me to the caucasus. Grandma said she came from what sounded like Betchahorski. I t might actually be  Beshtaugorsky. My goal for the last 10 years has been to trace my heritage all the way back to the beginning, b/4 my family left for Russia. It was to be a gift to my Momma, the last living sibling of 10. Momma will be 90 in August, I fear my health has hindered me in my search, as well. Is there anyone who can do my fami ly tree for a resonable fee? Or, give me direct addresses where to look? I've purchased some books, find names, but it never leads anywhere. I am not very computer literate, another problem for me. Momma says there are Lesser's, Walter(s) may be my great grandmothers maiden name, &  Rupple's in the family, & only today did she tell me Kindsvatter is a name from her childhood, may not be a relative, she's not certain. I've had  help from a couple of you which I so appreciate.   Susan Hubenthal   "We are, each of us, angels with one wing and we can fly only by embracing one another." ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 9:14:05 AM Subject: GER-VOLGA Digest, Vol 6, Issue 22 Today's Topics:    1. Fw: Re:  Spomers and Yorks (hugh lichtenwald)    2. Re: Guidence on researching Kreutzer family in Germany       (Dick Kraus)    3. Re: Fw: Re:  Spomers and Yorks (Gary Martens)    4. Fw: Re:  Fw: Re:  Spomers and Yorks (hugh lichtenwald) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 04:55:23 -0800 (PST) From: hugh lichtenwald <[email protected]> Subject: [GV] Fw: Re:  Spomers and Yorks To: "[email protected] com" <[email protected]> Cc: Ralph Spomer <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 --- On Thu, 1/20/11, hugh lichtenwald <[email protected]> wrote: From: hugh lichtenwald <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [GV] Spomers and Yorks To: "Ralph Spomer" <[email protected]> Date: Thursday, January 20, 2011, 7:38 AM Hallo Ralph and Listers:: ? This is going to be old stuff but here goes: There are no Yorks anywhere on the Volga. York is the American version of Georg and there are a number of Katherines who might match your Katherine "York" Georg. As for Balthasar Spomer, I think your birth year might be off a bit.....I'm not sure because the data I have on the family is not from a primary source. I think the data is probably from you and was sent to Kathy Brehm LaPella. Anyway....if Johannes was born in 1870 his father would have been born around 1850 or earlier and there are a number of Balthasar Spomers who are on the Spomer Charts for that time period who do not have spouses listed. ? All that is not at all helpful and the only way to resolve the problem is to have the Russian Archives do a little research for you. You have John George Spomer's birthdate as Aug. 27, 1881 in Beideck... It would not be too difficult?a task for them to find his parents and siblings. ? Unfortunately, you'd have to find a Russian speaker to phrase the request for you and that is not an easy thing to do these days. Because you have?Johann George Spomer's birthdate and the names of his parents, it would likely cost you about a hundred bucks to find the info on his parentage and siblings. Engels (if you send them a request) will come back with an estimate of what it will cost you and tell you where to send the money (they want the money up front). ? There are a number of Russian Language capable folks on the GR listservice but I would not presume to name them for fear of starting a stampede of people requesting their services. ? If you happen to have any Spomer or Georg acquaintances in Russia, it would be much cheaper to have them order the data from Engels....The Archives charge foreigners twice the fees they do resident Russians. ? Hugh Lichtenwald, from the farm in Monetta, SC VC, Wiesenmueller . ? --- On Thu, 1/20/11, Ralph Spomer <[email protected]> wrote: From: Ralph Spomer <[email protected]> Subject: [GV] (no subject) To: "[email protected] com" <[email protected]> Date: Thursday, January 20, 2011, 12:16 AM Hello everyone I'm looking for my Great Grandmother Katherine York. The Spomer family thought she was from Beideck but there are no listings for her in any census from Beideck. She would have to have been from another colony. She married Balthasar (Walter) Spomer in Alt. Beideck.Walter was born abt. 1857 +or- a few years and we think they both may have died in Neu Beideck. They had three children that we know of. John, married to Sophia Dahmer, Katherine Maria, married Peter Rody, and my Grandfather Johann George, married to Katherine Zubicks. My father Johann George Jr. was 2 yrs old when they came to this country in 1913.I have been looking for my Great Grandparents for about ten years without any luck. Everything stops at my Grand father. If anyone has any information I would really like to hear from you. All and any help would be appreciated. PS. I have copies of two Spomer charts and my Spomers are not on them. Ralph Spomer ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 05:32:38 -0800 (PST) From: Dick Kraus <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [GV] Guidence on researching Kreutzer family in Germany To: Sheila Derevage <[email protected]>,        Germans from Russia         <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Many thanks for the additional info.? That really helped. Like you I do not find your man in the Kuhlberg Lists, just like my Kraus ancestor. However, I think your man is in the Herzog FSL at #25, listed as Johannes Krenzer single age 18 from R?ding, Bayern.? Bayern in that FSL stands for Kurbayern -- the Grand Duchy of Bavaria.? Kurbener surely is someone's corruption of Kurbayern.? And Rudin surely is a corruption of R?ding.? I think someone simply copied Kurfalz into the list by mistake. I tried to find both R?ding and Rudin.? No luck. In the Map Guides to German Parish Registers to which you were referred yesterday, there were only three places listed in Bavaria for which it seemed possible to me R?ding itself could be a corruption: R?gen -- but unfortunately it was in 1765-67 in the Duchy of Coburg, a completely different country from the then Kurbayern, R?dern - same story -- it was then in the Bishopric of Bamberg, a completely different country from the then Kurbayern, R?densdorf - same story -- it was then in the Margravite of Bayreuth, then a subsidiary of the Kingdom of Prussia -- a thorn in the side of Kurbayern. I fear I have not been of much help.? I will try to think some more, but cannot promise anything.? Dick --- On Wed,  1/19/11, Sheila Derevage <[email protected]> wrote: From: Sheila Derevage <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [GV] Guidence on researching Kreutzer family in Germany To: "Dick Kraus" <[email protected]> Date: Wednesday, January 19, 2011, 8:40 PM #yiv1218465552 #yiv1218465552yiv1925694313  {height:100%;color:#000000;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial;}Thank you for your help Dick.? This is what I have Johannes Kreutzer b. 1752 in Rudin,Kurfalz, Kurbener, Germany he died 1842 in Rohleder, Russia.? He was married to Eleonora Lauber 1773 in Herzog, Russia. She was born 1756 in Rohleder, Russia.? I looked in the Kuhlberg ship?records but I am not finding a match for this Johannes.? I got this information from Kevin  Rupp.??I have asked several times for a referance but I have never recieved a reply.? Thank you Sheila Kreutzer Derevage ----- Original Message ----- From: Dick Kraus <[email protected]> To: German Russian Heritage <[email protected]>, Volga German List <[email protected]>, Sheila Derevage <[email protected]> Sent: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 01:23:03 -0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [GV] Guidence on researching Kreutzer family in Germany Hi Sheila.? It would be helpful to know whether the place reference was given for a time before or after 1800?? Also it might help to know the source of the reference.? The only thing that so far is clear to me is that Kurpfalz was one of the large countries whose territories now lie within the borders of Germany.? It was ruled by one of the Electors of the Empire.? Dick --- On Wed, 1/19/11, Sheila Derevage <[email protected]> wrote: From: Sheila Derevage <[email protected]> Subject: [GV] Guidence on researching Kreutzer family in Germany To: "German Russian Heritage" <[email protected]>, "Volga German List" <[email protected]> Date: Wednesday, January 19, 2011, 2:26 PM Hi all Hope everyone had great holidays.???Back in the fall of last year I was researching Johannes Kreutzer b.1752 d. 1824 from Rudin, Kurfalz, Kurbener, Germany.? I am unable to find Rudin or KurFalz or Kurbener in Germany.? I would guess the names have changed since then but I am not finding any information of the change.???I am interested in how to research were my family is from in Germany.? I have read that Germany kept great records in the 18th century and earlier.? But you have to know where your family is from.???I love doing the research I just need a place to start.???I would appreciate any ideas.??? Thanks so much Sheila Kreutzer Derevage ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the  word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message        ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 10:31:43 -0600 From: Gary Martens <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [GV] Fw: Re:  Spomers and Yorks To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Birth records for Beideck are at the Russian Archives in Volgagrad.  The only birth records available are 1892-1900. Gary Martens Dobrinka, Galka, Neu-Weimar & Schilling villages VC On 1/20/2011 6:55 AM, hugh lichtenwald wrote: > > --- On Thu, 1/20/11, hugh lichtenwald<[email protected]>  wrote: > > > From: hugh lichtenwald<[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [GV] Spomers and Yorks > To: "Ralph Spomer"<[email protected]> > Date: Thursday, January 20, 2011, 7:38 AM > > > > > > > > > Hallo Ralph and Listers:: >   > This is going to be old stuff but here goes: There are no Yorks anywhere on the Volga. York is the American version of Georg and there are a number of Katherines who might match your Katherine "York" Georg. As for Balthasar Spomer, I think your birth year might be off a bit.....I'm not sure because the data I have on the family is not from a primary source. I think the data is probably from you and was sent to Kathy Brehm LaPella. Anyway....if Johannes was born in 1870 his father would have been born around 1850 or earlier and there are a number of Balthasar Spomers who are on the Spomer Charts for that time period who do not have spouses listed. >   > All that is not at all helpful and the only way to resolve the problem is to have the Russian Archives do a little research for you. You have John George Spomer's birthdate as Aug. 27, 1881 in Beideck... It would not be too difficult a task for them to find his parents and siblings. >   > Unfortunately, you'd have to find a Russian speaker to phrase the request for you and that is not an easy thing to do these days. Because you have Johann George Spomer's birthdate and the names of his parents, it would likely cost you about a hundred bucks to find the info on his parentage and siblings. Engels (if you send them a request) will come back with an estimate of what it will cost you and tell you where to send the money (they want the money up front). >   > There are a number of Russian Language capable folks on the GR listservice but I would not presume to name them for fear of starting a stampede of people requesting their services. >   > If you happen to have any Spomer or Georg acquaintances in Russia, it would be much cheaper to have them order the data from Engels....The Archives charge foreigners twice the fees they do resident Russians. >   > Hugh Lichtenwald, from the farm in Monetta, SC > VC, Wiesenmueller > . >   > --- On Thu, 1/20/11, Ralph Spomer<[email protected]>  wrote: > > > From: Ralph Spomer<[email protected]> > Subject: [GV] (no subject) > To: "[email protected] com"<[email protected]> > Date: Thursday, January 20, 2011, 12:16 AM > > > Hello everyone > I'm looking for my Great Grandmother Katherine York. The Spomer family > thought she was from Beideck but there are no listings for her in any census > from Beideck. She would have to have been from another colony. She married > Balthasar (Walter) Spomer in Alt. Beideck.Walter was born abt. 1857 +or- a > few years and we think they both may have died in Neu Beideck. They had > three children that we know of. John, married to Sophia Dahmer, Katherine > Maria, married Peter Rody, and my Grandfather Johann George, married to > Katherine Zubicks. My father Johann George Jr. was 2 yrs old when they came > to this country in 1913.I have been looking for my Great Grandparents for > about ten years without any luck. Everything stops at my Grand father. If > anyone has any information I would really like to hear from you. > All and any help would be appreciated. > PS. I have copies of two Spomer charts and my Spomers are not on them. > Ralph Spomer > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 09:08:44 -0800 (PST) From: hugh lichtenwald <[email protected]> Subject: [GV] Fw: Re:  Fw: Re:  Spomers and Yorks To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hallo Gary and Listers: ? The Engels Archive has at a minimum the following: ?Beideck births 1767-1844, 1814-1834 Beideck Marriages 1836-1839 Beideck Deaths 1847-1859 Beideck Births 1842-1861, 1845-1858, 1859, 1879 ? These were in Fond F263 of the Evangelical Lutheran Church Registers which were in need of restoration back in 2002. ? I do not know for certain but I assume they also have a number of "Family Lists," which the government required village councils to keep. ? Yes, Volgograd has Beideck Births from 1892-1900 and the Beideck Census for 1834 and 1857, why they have them and not the rest of the data is a mystery to me. The majority of Beideck inforation is most likely to be found at the Engels Archivel. ? Hugh Lichtenwald VC, Wiesenmueller ? ? ? ? --- On Thu, 1/20/11, Gary Martens <[email protected]> wrote: From: Gary Martens <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [GV] Fw: Re: Spomers and Yorks To: [email protected] Date: Thursday, January 20, 2011, 11:31 AM Birth records for Beideck are at the Russian Archives in Volgagrad.? The only birth records available are 1892-1900. Gary Martens Dobrinka, Galka, Neu-Weimar & Schilling villages VC On 1/20/2011 6:55 AM, hugh lichtenwald wrote: > > --- On Thu, 1/20/11, hugh lichtenwald<[email protected]>? wrote: > > > From: hugh lichtenwald<[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [GV] Spomers and Yorks > To: "Ralph Spomer"<[email protected]> > Date: Thursday, January 20, 2011, 7:38 AM > > > > > > > > > Hallo Ralph and Listers:: >??? > This is going to be old stuff but here goes: There are no Yorks anywhere on the Volga. York is the American version of Georg and there are a number of Katherines who might match your Katherine "York" Georg. As for Balthasar Spomer, I think your birth year might be off a bit.....I'm not sure because the data I have on the family is not from a primary source. I think the data is probably from you and was sent to Kathy Brehm LaPella. Anyway....if Johannes was born in 1870 his father would have been born around 1850 or earlier and there are a number of Balthasar Spomers who are on the Spomer Charts for that time period who do not have spouses listed. >??? > All that is not at all helpful and the only way to resolve the problem is to have the Russian Archives do a little research for you. You have John George Spomer's birthdate as Aug. 27, 1881 in Beideck... It would not be too difficult a task for them to find his parents and siblings. >??? > Unfortunately, you'd have to find a Russian speaker to phrase the request for you and that is not an easy thing to do these days. Because you have Johann George Spomer's birthdate and the names of his parents, it would likely cost you about a hundred bucks to find the info on his parentage and siblings. Engels (if you send them a request) will come back with an estimate of what it will cost you and tell you where to send the money (they want the money up front). >??? > There are a number of Russian Language capable folks on the GR listservice but I would not presume to name them for fear of starting a stampede of people requesting their services. >??? > If you happen to have any Spomer or Georg acquaintances in Russia, it would be much cheaper to have them order the data from Engels....The Archives charge foreigners twice the fees they do resident Russians. >??? > Hugh Lichtenwald, from the farm in Monetta, SC > VC, Wiesenmueller > . >??? > --- On Thu, 1/20/11, Ralph Spomer<[email protected]>? wrote: > > > From: Ralph Spomer<[email protected]> > Subject: [GV] (no subject) > To: "[email protected] com"<[email protected]> > Date: Thursday, January 20, 2011, 12:16 AM > > > Hello everyone > I'm looking for my Great Grandmother Katherine York. The Spomer family > thought she was from Beideck but there are no listings for her in any census > from Beideck. She would have to have been from another colony. She married > Balthasar (Walter) Spomer in Alt. Beideck.Walter was born abt. 1857 +or- a > few years and we think they both may have died in Neu Beideck. They had > three children that we know of. John, married to Sophia Dahmer, Katherine > Maria, married Peter Rody, and my Grandfather Johann George, married to > Katherine Zubicks. My father Johann George Jr. was 2 yrs old when they came > to this country in 1913.I have been looking for my Great Grandparents for > about ten years without any luck. Everything stops at my Grand father. If > anyone has any information I would really like to hear from you. > All and any help would be appreciated. > PS. 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Birth records for Beideck are at the Russian Archives in Volgagrad. The only birth records available are 1892-1900. Gary Martens Dobrinka, Galka, Neu-Weimar & Schilling villages VC On 1/20/2011 6:55 AM, hugh lichtenwald wrote: > > --- On Thu, 1/20/11, hugh lichtenwald<[email protected]> wrote: > > > From: hugh lichtenwald<[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [GV] Spomers and Yorks > To: "Ralph Spomer"<[email protected]> > Date: Thursday, January 20, 2011, 7:38 AM > > > > > > > > > Hallo Ralph and Listers:: > > This is going to be old stuff but here goes: There are no Yorks anywhere on the Volga. York is the American version of Georg and there are a number of Katherines who might match your Katherine "York" Georg. As for Balthasar Spomer, I think your birth year might be off a bit.....I'm not sure because the data I have on the family is not from a primary source. I think the data is probably from you and was sent to Kathy Brehm LaPella. Anyway....if Johannes was born in 1870 his father would have been born around 1850 or earlier and there are a number of Balthasar Spomers who are on the Spomer Charts for that time period who do not have spouses listed. > > All that is not at all helpful and the only way to resolve the problem is to have the Russian Archives do a little research for you. You have John George Spomer's birthdate as Aug. 27, 1881 in Beideck... It would not be too difficult a task for them to find his parents and siblings. > > Unfortunately, you'd have to find a Russian speaker to phrase the request for you and that is not an easy thing to do these days. Because you have Johann George Spomer's birthdate and the names of his parents, it would likely cost you about a hundred bucks to find the info on his parentage and siblings. Engels (if you send them a request) will come back with an estimate of what it will cost you and tell you where to send the money (they want the money up front). > > There are a number of Russian Language capable folks on the GR listservice but I would not presume to name them for fear of starting a stampede of people requesting their services. > > If you happen to have any Spomer or Georg acquaintances in Russia, it would be much cheaper to have them order the data from Engels....The Archives charge foreigners twice the fees they do resident Russians. > > Hugh Lichtenwald, from the farm in Monetta, SC > VC, Wiesenmueller > . > > --- On Thu, 1/20/11, Ralph Spomer<[email protected]> wrote: > > > From: Ralph Spomer<[email protected]> > Subject: [GV] (no subject) > To: "[email protected] com"<[email protected]> > Date: Thursday, January 20, 2011, 12:16 AM > > > Hello everyone > I'm looking for my Great Grandmother Katherine York. The Spomer family > thought she was from Beideck but there are no listings for her in any census > from Beideck. She would have to have been from another colony. She married > Balthasar (Walter) Spomer in Alt. Beideck.Walter was born abt. 1857 +or- a > few years and we think they both may have died in Neu Beideck. They had > three children that we know of. John, married to Sophia Dahmer, Katherine > Maria, married Peter Rody, and my Grandfather Johann George, married to > Katherine Zubicks. My father Johann George Jr. was 2 yrs old when they came > to this country in 1913.I have been looking for my Great Grandparents for > about ten years without any luck. Everything stops at my Grand father. If > anyone has any information I would really like to hear from you. > All and any help would be appreciated. > PS. I have copies of two Spomer charts and my Spomers are not on them. > Ralph Spomer > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hallo Gary and Listers:   The Engels Archive has at a minimum the following:  Beideck births 1767-1844, 1814-1834 Beideck Marriages 1836-1839 Beideck Deaths 1847-1859 Beideck Births 1842-1861, 1845-1858, 1859, 1879   These were in Fond F263 of the Evangelical Lutheran Church Registers which were in need of restoration back in 2002.   I do not know for certain but I assume they also have a number of "Family Lists," which the government required village councils to keep.   Yes, Volgograd has Beideck Births from 1892-1900 and the Beideck Census for 1834 and 1857, why they have them and not the rest of the data is a mystery to me. The majority of Beideck inforation is most likely to be found at the Engels Archivel.   Hugh Lichtenwald VC, Wiesenmueller         --- On Thu, 1/20/11, Gary Martens <[email protected]> wrote: From: Gary Martens <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [GV] Fw: Re: Spomers and Yorks To: [email protected] Date: Thursday, January 20, 2011, 11:31 AM Birth records for Beideck are at the Russian Archives in Volgagrad.  The only birth records available are 1892-1900. Gary Martens Dobrinka, Galka, Neu-Weimar & Schilling villages VC On 1/20/2011 6:55 AM, hugh lichtenwald wrote: > > --- On Thu, 1/20/11, hugh lichtenwald<[email protected]>  wrote: > > > From: hugh lichtenwald<[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [GV] Spomers and Yorks > To: "Ralph Spomer"<[email protected]> > Date: Thursday, January 20, 2011, 7:38 AM > > > > > > > > > Hallo Ralph and Listers:: >    > This is going to be old stuff but here goes: There are no Yorks anywhere on the Volga. York is the American version of Georg and there are a number of Katherines who might match your Katherine "York" Georg. As for Balthasar Spomer, I think your birth year might be off a bit.....I'm not sure because the data I have on the family is not from a primary source. I think the data is probably from you and was sent to Kathy Brehm LaPella. Anyway....if Johannes was born in 1870 his father would have been born around 1850 or earlier and there are a number of Balthasar Spomers who are on the Spomer Charts for that time period who do not have spouses listed. >    > All that is not at all helpful and the only way to resolve the problem is to have the Russian Archives do a little research for you. You have John George Spomer's birthdate as Aug. 27, 1881 in Beideck... It would not be too difficult a task for them to find his parents and siblings. >    > Unfortunately, you'd have to find a Russian speaker to phrase the request for you and that is not an easy thing to do these days. Because you have Johann George Spomer's birthdate and the names of his parents, it would likely cost you about a hundred bucks to find the info on his parentage and siblings. Engels (if you send them a request) will come back with an estimate of what it will cost you and tell you where to send the money (they want the money up front). >    > There are a number of Russian Language capable folks on the GR listservice but I would not presume to name them for fear of starting a stampede of people requesting their services. >    > If you happen to have any Spomer or Georg acquaintances in Russia, it would be much cheaper to have them order the data from Engels....The Archives charge foreigners twice the fees they do resident Russians. >    > Hugh Lichtenwald, from the farm in Monetta, SC > VC, Wiesenmueller > . >    > --- On Thu, 1/20/11, Ralph Spomer<[email protected]>  wrote: > > > From: Ralph Spomer<[email protected]> > Subject: [GV] (no subject) > To: "[email protected] com"<[email protected]> > Date: Thursday, January 20, 2011, 12:16 AM > > > Hello everyone > I'm looking for my Great Grandmother Katherine York. The Spomer family > thought she was from Beideck but there are no listings for her in any census > from Beideck. She would have to have been from another colony. She married > Balthasar (Walter) Spomer in Alt. Beideck.Walter was born abt. 1857 +or- a > few years and we think they both may have died in Neu Beideck. They had > three children that we know of. John, married to Sophia Dahmer, Katherine > Maria, married Peter Rody, and my Grandfather Johann George, married to > Katherine Zubicks. My father Johann George Jr. was 2 yrs old when they came > to this country in 1913.I have been looking for my Great Grandparents for > about ten years without any luck. Everything stops at my Grand father. If > anyone has any information I would really like to hear from you. > All and any help would be appreciated. > PS. I have copies of two Spomer charts and my Spomers are not on them. > Ralph Spomer > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Many thanks for the additional info.  That really helped. Like you I do not find your man in the Kuhlberg Lists, just like my Kraus ancestor. However, I think your man is in the Herzog FSL at #25, listed as Johannes Krenzer single age 18 from Röding, Bayern.  Bayern in that FSL stands for Kurbayern -- the Grand Duchy of Bavaria.  Kurbener surely is someone's corruption of Kurbayern.  And Rudin surely is a corruption of Röding.  I think someone simply copied Kurfalz into the list by mistake. I tried to find both Röding and Rudin.  No luck. In the Map Guides to German Parish Registers to which you were referred yesterday, there were only three places listed in Bavaria for which it seemed possible to me Röding itself could be a corruption: Rögen -- but unfortunately it was in 1765-67 in the Duchy of Coburg, a completely different country from the then Kurbayern, Rödern - same story -- it was then in the Bishopric of Bamberg, a completely different country from the then Kurbayern, Rödensdorf - same story -- it was then in the Margravite of Bayreuth, then a subsidiary of the Kingdom of Prussia -- a thorn in the side of Kurbayern. I fear I have not been of much help.  I will try to think some more, but cannot promise anything.  Dick --- On Wed, 1/19/11, Sheila Derevage <[email protected]> wrote: From: Sheila Derevage <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [GV] Guidence on researching Kreutzer family in Germany To: "Dick Kraus" <[email protected]> Date: Wednesday, January 19, 2011, 8:40 PM #yiv1218465552 #yiv1218465552yiv1925694313 {height:100%;color:#000000;font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial;}Thank you for your help Dick.  This is what I have Johannes Kreutzer b. 1752 in Rudin,Kurfalz, Kurbener, Germany he died 1842 in Rohleder, Russia.  He was married to Eleonora Lauber 1773 in Herzog, Russia. She was born 1756 in Rohleder, Russia.  I looked in the Kuhlberg ship records but I am not finding a match for this Johannes.  I got this information from Kevin Rupp.  I have asked several times for a referance but I have never recieved a reply.  Thank you Sheila Kreutzer Derevage ----- Original Message ----- From: Dick Kraus <[email protected]> To: German Russian Heritage <[email protected]>, Volga German List <[email protected]>, Sheila Derevage <[email protected]> Sent: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 01:23:03 -0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [GV] Guidence on researching Kreutzer family in Germany Hi Sheila.  It would be helpful to know whether the place reference was given for a time before or after 1800?  Also it might help to know the source of the reference.  The only thing that so far is clear to me is that Kurpfalz was one of the large countries whose territories now lie within the borders of Germany.  It was ruled by one of the Electors of the Empire.  Dick --- On Wed, 1/19/11, Sheila Derevage <[email protected]> wrote: From: Sheila Derevage <[email protected]> Subject: [GV] Guidence on researching Kreutzer family in Germany To: "German Russian Heritage" <[email protected]>, "Volga German List" <[email protected]> Date: Wednesday, January 19, 2011, 2:26 PM Hi all Hope everyone had great holidays.   Back in the fall of last year I was researching Johannes Kreutzer b.1752 d. 1824 from Rudin, Kurfalz, Kurbener, Germany.  I am unable to find Rudin or KurFalz or Kurbener in Germany.  I would guess the names have changed since then but I am not finding any information of the change.   I am interested in how to research were my family is from in Germany.  I have read that Germany kept great records in the 18th century and earlier.  But you have to know where your family is from.   I love doing the research I just need a place to start.   I would appreciate any ideas.    Thanks so much Sheila Kreutzer Derevage ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

--- On Thu, 1/20/11, hugh lichtenwald <[email protected]> wrote: From: hugh lichtenwald <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [GV] Spomers and Yorks To: "Ralph Spomer" <[email protected]> Date: Thursday, January 20, 2011, 7:38 AM Hallo Ralph and Listers::   This is going to be old stuff but here goes: There are no Yorks anywhere on the Volga. York is the American version of Georg and there are a number of Katherines who might match your Katherine "York" Georg. As for Balthasar Spomer, I think your birth year might be off a bit.....I'm not sure because the data I have on the family is not from a primary source. I think the data is probably from you and was sent to Kathy Brehm LaPella. Anyway....if Johannes was born in 1870 his father would have been born around 1850 or earlier and there are a number of Balthasar Spomers who are on the Spomer Charts for that time period who do not have spouses listed.   All that is not at all helpful and the only way to resolve the problem is to have the Russian Archives do a little research for you. You have John George Spomer's birthdate as Aug. 27, 1881 in Beideck... It would not be too difficult a task for them to find his parents and siblings.   Unfortunately, you'd have to find a Russian speaker to phrase the request for you and that is not an easy thing to do these days. Because you have Johann George Spomer's birthdate and the names of his parents, it would likely cost you about a hundred bucks to find the info on his parentage and siblings. Engels (if you send them a request) will come back with an estimate of what it will cost you and tell you where to send the money (they want the money up front).   There are a number of Russian Language capable folks on the GR listservice but I would not presume to name them for fear of starting a stampede of people requesting their services.   If you happen to have any Spomer or Georg acquaintances in Russia, it would be much cheaper to have them order the data from Engels....The Archives charge foreigners twice the fees they do resident Russians.   Hugh Lichtenwald, from the farm in Monetta, SC VC, Wiesenmueller .   --- On Thu, 1/20/11, Ralph Spomer <[email protected]> wrote: From: Ralph Spomer <[email protected]> Subject: [GV] (no subject) To: "[email protected] com" <[email protected]> Date: Thursday, January 20, 2011, 12:16 AM Hello everyone I'm looking for my Great Grandmother Katherine York. The Spomer family thought she was from Beideck but there are no listings for her in any census from Beideck. She would have to have been from another colony. She married Balthasar (Walter) Spomer in Alt. Beideck.Walter was born abt. 1857 +or- a few years and we think they both may have died in Neu Beideck. They had three children that we know of. John, married to Sophia Dahmer, Katherine Maria, married Peter Rody, and my Grandfather Johann George, married to Katherine Zubicks. My father Johann George Jr. was 2 yrs old when they came to this country in 1913.I have been looking for my Great Grandparents for about ten years without any luck. Everything stops at my Grand father. If anyone has any information I would really like to hear from you. All and any help would be appreciated. PS. I have copies of two Spomer charts and my Spomers are not on them. Ralph Spomer ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Shiela, I would suggest that you contact Jerry Goertzen, regarding the 40 books designed to map out the "counties" of the 40 major regions of archaic Germany, and the subparishs contained within each. If one had access to the volumes one might scan the indexes for a familiar locality. Of course it would be useful if you could narrow the region down to specific states or provinces. If I remember correctly, Jerry had a librarian like position, and was responsible for purchases a majority of these volumes for his chapter's library. A sample of the type of data given is illustrated in the case below, described by Jerry Goertzen. "I don't have that volume in my library, but your Odenwald area would be in the Grandduchy of Baden, Mannheim Bezirk, Kreis Mosbach in the northern tip of Baden. Do you know any of the villages of your ancestors on the collatoral families? There were a number of villages in the Odenwald area. The Guide to German Parish Registers will locate a village and its parish and will give you the microfilm numbers of the Church Parish if they were filmed by the LDS. You would need to go through all the village microfilms to find the names if you don't have a village. The best way would be to contact one of the German Genealogical Resources or Archives (also listed in the book) for help to find your family. The book you would need would be Volum II of the German Parish Guides, "The Grandduchy of Baden". This book also contains a brief history aand timeline of Baden and sometime they list books of town histories that have many names in them. " I do have this particular volume, but it does not list the region you seek. This is only illustrative of the vast amount of data contained in these volumes, if you can narrow your search, or live near a library where you could scan their contents for the region you seek. Frank Jacobs ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sheila Derevage" <[email protected]> To: "German Russian Heritage" <[email protected]>; "Volga German List" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 1:26 PM Subject: [GV] Guidence on researching Kreutzer family in Germany > > Hi all > > Hope everyone had great holidays. Back in the fall of last year I was > researching Johannes Kreutzer b.1752 d. 1824 from Rudin, Kurfalz, > Kurbener, Germany. I am unable to find Rudin or KurFalz or Kurbener in > Germany. I would guess the names have changed since then but I am not > finding any information of the change. I am interested in how to > research were my family is from in Germany. I have read that Germany kept > great records in the 18th century and earlier. But you have to know where > your family is from. I love doing the research I just need a place to > start. I would appreciate any ideas. > Thanks so much > Sheila Kreutzer Derevage ======= Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.16730) http://www.pctools.com/ =======

Hello everyone I'm looking for my Great Grandmother Katherine York. The Spomer family thought she was from Beideck but there are no listings for her in any census from Beideck. She would have to have been from another colony. She married Balthasar (Walter) Spomer in Alt. Beideck.Walter was born abt. 1857 +or- a few years and we think they both may have died in Neu Beideck. They had three children that we know of. John, married to Sophia Dahmer, Katherine Maria, married Peter Rody, and my Grandfather Johann George, married to Katherine Zubicks. My father Johann George Jr. was 2 yrs old when they came to this country in 1913.I have been looking for my Great Grandparents for about ten years without any luck. Everything stops at my Grand father. If anyone has any information I would really like to hear from you. All and any help would be appreciated. PS. I have copies of two Spomer charts and my Spomers are not on them. Ralph Spomer

Shirley, Have you looked at the birth and death websites in Minnesota? http://people.mnhs.org/bci/Results.cfm?CFID=28198938&CFTOKEN=60539089 Rosemary Larson AHSGR VC Kamenka & Pfeifer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shirley Loose" <[email protected]> To: "Ger-Volga" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 5:48 PM Subject: [GV] Questions I am working on the Gorr family geneology. Was wondering if anyone had any information on; David Gorr--Son of Cristian and Katherine Gorr-Russia also Marie Gorr wife of Albert Gorr. Her maiden name was Gorr also. She was from the St. Paul, Minnesota area. Alex & Jane (Gorr) Martin from the in Sauk Cemtre, Minnesota area. Any information would be appreciated. Thank You. Shirley Loose [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sheila, Please look at the German Origins site on the AHSGR website and find Kurpfalz. Dick Kraus has a good description. http://www.ahsgr.org/FindAncestors/german_origins.htm I find a Runding in Bavaria in Expedia. http://www.expedia.com/pub/agent.dll?qscr=mmfn Rosemary Larson AHSGR VC Kamenka & Pfeifer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dick Kraus" <[email protected]> To: "German Russian Heritage" <[email protected]>; "Volga German List" <[email protected]>; "Sheila Derevage" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 7:23 PM Subject: Re: [GV] Guidence on researching Kreutzer family in Germany Hi Sheila. It would be helpful to know whether the place reference was given for a time before or after 1800? Also it might help to know the source of the reference. The only thing that so far is clear to me is that Kurpfalz was one of the large countries whose territories now lie within the borders of Germany. It was ruled by one of the Electors of the Empire. Dick --- On Wed, 1/19/11, Sheila Derevage <[email protected]> wrote: From: Sheila Derevage <[email protected]> Subject: [GV] Guidence on researching Kreutzer family in Germany To: "German Russian Heritage" <[email protected]>, "Volga German List" <[email protected]> Date: Wednesday, January 19, 2011, 2:26 PM Hi all Hope everyone had great holidays. Back in the fall of last year I was researching Johannes Kreutzer b.1752 d. 1824 from Rudin, Kurfalz, Kurbener, Germany. I am unable to find Rudin or KurFalz or Kurbener in Germany. I would guess the names have changed since then but I am not finding any information of the change. I am interested in how to research were my family is from in Germany. I have read that Germany kept great records in the 18th century and earlier. But you have to know where your family is from. I love doing the research I just need a place to start. I would appreciate any ideas. Thanks so much Sheila Kreutzer Derevage ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi all Hope everyone had great holidays. Back in the fall of last year I was researching Johannes Kreutzer b.1752 d. 1824 from Rudin, Kurfalz, Kurbener, Germany. I am unable to find Rudin or KurFalz or Kurbener in Germany. I would guess the names have changed since then but I am not finding any information of the change. I am interested in how to research were my family is from in Germany. I have read that Germany kept great records in the 18th century and earlier. But you have to know where your family is from. I love doing the research I just need a place to start. I would appreciate any ideas. Thanks so much Sheila Kreutzer Derevage

Hi Sheila.  It would be helpful to know whether the place reference was given for a time before or after 1800?  Also it might help to know the source of the reference.  The only thing that so far is clear to me is that Kurpfalz was one of the large countries whose territories now lie within the borders of Germany.  It was ruled by one of the Electors of the Empire.  Dick --- On Wed, 1/19/11, Sheila Derevage <[email protected]> wrote: From: Sheila Derevage <[email protected]> Subject: [GV] Guidence on researching Kreutzer family in Germany To: "German Russian Heritage" <[email protected]>, "Volga German List" <[email protected]> Date: Wednesday, January 19, 2011, 2:26 PM Hi all Hope everyone had great holidays.   Back in the fall of last year I was researching Johannes Kreutzer b.1752 d. 1824 from Rudin, Kurfalz, Kurbener, Germany.  I am unable to find Rudin or KurFalz or Kurbener in Germany.  I would guess the names have changed since then but I am not finding any information of the change.   I am interested in how to research were my family is from in Germany.  I have read that Germany kept great records in the 18th century and earlier.  But you have to know where your family is from.   I love doing the research I just need a place to start.   I would appreciate any ideas.    Thanks so much Sheila Kreutzer Derevage ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am working on the Gorr family geneology. Was wondering if anyone had any information on; David Gorr--Son of Cristian and Katherine Gorr-Russia also Marie Gorr wife of Albert Gorr. Her maiden name was Gorr also. She was from the St. Paul, Minnesota area. Alex & Jane (Gorr) Martin from the in Sauk Cemtre, Minnesota area. Any information would be appreciated. Thank You. Shirley Loose [email protected]

Greeley Tribune Greeley, Co 01-18*2011 Maria Joslyn Nov. 19, 1906-Jan. 15, 2011 Age: 104 Residence: Greeley Maria Joslyn, 104, of Greeley, formerly of Colorado Springs, passed into Eternal Life on Saturday, Jan. 15, 2011, at the Life Care Center in Greeley. Maria was born in Grimm, Russia, on Nov. 19, 1906. With her parents, Jacob and Elizabeth (Fritzler) Schafer, she arrived in the United States by way of Ellis Island in 1908. She spent her early childhood years in the Windsor/Greeley area. Her family farmed where Greeley West High School is located today. On Nov. 6, 1947, she married Gordon Joslyn, a builder-contractor in the Colorado Springs area. A woman of strong faith and conviction, she was a charter member of the First Southern Baptist Church in Colorado Springs, and taught adult Sunday school classes for over 35 years. Maria is survived by a stepdaughter Barbara (Bud) Shephard of Scottsdale, Ariz.; sisters Lydia Loeffler of LaSalle and Esther Wiedeman; sister-in-law Venice Schafer of Gilcrest; brother Paul Schafer of Greeley and numerous nieces and nephews. She was preceded in death by her parents; husband; brothers Carl and Robert Schafer; sister-in-law Margaret Schafer and brothers-in-law Jerome Loeffler and Robert Wiedeman. Visitation 10-11 a.m. Thursday, January 20, 2011 at The First Southern Baptist Church of Colorado Springs followed by funeral service at 11 a.m. Interment at Evergreen Cemetery. Memorial contributions may be made to the First Southern Baptist Church, 1409 Palmer Park Blvd., Colorado Springs, CO 80909.

Hergett, Richard, Jan. 13, 1913- Jan. 15, 2011 Billings Gazette Billings, MT 17 Jan 2011 • • LAUREL — On Jan. 15,2011, God has called home to heaven Richard Hergett, who passed away peacefully in his sleep at The Crossings in Laurel at 4:40 p.m. on Saturday, Jan. 15, 2011. Dad passed away two days after celebrating his 98th birthday. Richard Hergett was born on Jan. 13, 1913, weighing 13 pounds, in Park City, Mont., to Lewin Hergett and Julia Runk Hergett. Richard was the oldest child in a family of six children. Richard received the gift of Holy Baptism on Feb. 2, 1913, at St. Paul's Lutheran Church, Park City by the Rev. H. T. Rauh. Richard publicly confessed his faith and was confirmed on April 1, 1928, in Billings. Richard was a member of St. John's Lutheran Church, Laurel. Richard married his sweetheart, Anna Mary Gross, on March 3, 1935, at St. Paul's Lutheran Church, Park City, Mont. They began their married life farming with his father, and then later bought a farm of their own west of Park City where they raised their four children. In 1949, they moved to a home on Birch Avenue in Laurel where they remained for sixty years. During their early years of marriage, he worked on his father's farm and he also went to Lima, Mont., to work for one summer for the WPA where he built jack-pole fences. In 1945, he began working at the Laurel Leaf Refinery (now CHS), Laurel, retiring in 1975 after 30 years of employment. In his early years he was a boxer and had boxing events in Billings, Red Lodge and Joliet. His greatest love was for his wife, children, grandchildren, great-grandchildren and great-great grandchildren. His love was showered on them all. His favorite pastimes were motorcycles, bowling, fishing and camping with his faithful fishing partner, wife, Anna. He especially enjoyed working in his yard and garden every year, both of which he kept to perfection up to the age of 95. Richard was a tall, big, strong, kind and gentle man who was loved dearly by all who knew him. We will miss him terribly but we know he and Mom are together in heaven. We love you, Dad. Many thanks to the wonderful staff at the Crossings for the loving care they gave Dad and to his friends at the Crossings, especially Herman. Special thanks to Pastor Arlo Pullmann for his visits to Dad through the years and for his prayers and words of comfort to our family during this difficult time. Richard is survived by his four children: Betty (Henry) Lich, Laurel, Joanne (Richard) Nauman, Park City, Janice (Robert) Armstrong, Libby and Gerald (Sharon) Hergett, Laurel. He is survived by 11 grandchildren: LaRay Mears, Alan (Dana) Lich, Wanda (Jason) Richardson, Rich (Shelly) Nauman, Russ (Robbin) Nauman, Rod (Valerie) Nauman, Alison (Terry) Jacobs, Bill (Robin) Armstrong Jr., Guy (Jan) Armstrong, Gregg Hergett, and Garry Hergett. Richard is also survived by 29 great-grandchildren: Stephanie Mears (Loren) Schrag, Amanda Mears (Clarence) Turner, Randi and Sydney Lich, Lindsay, Courtney, Ashley and Jeffrey Richardson, Cal and Megan Nauman, Whitney (Kyle) Marsh, Chad (MacKenzie) Nauman; Alyssa, Shane and Daniel Nauman, Mitchell, Rebecca, Marshall and Benjamin Jacobs, Danielle Armstrong (Doug) Eklund, Michael and Taylor Armstrong, Amybeth Armstrong (Kevin) Kline, Courtney, Brant, and Chase Armstrong, Jarred, Brandon and Carly Hergett. Richard has five great-great-grandchildren: Kevin, Joanna and Natalia Schrag and Jadyn and Evelynn Turner with another great-great-grandchild on the way. Also, surviving Richard is his brother, Victor (Evelyn) Hergett of Laurel and many close nieces and nephews. Richard was preceded in death by his parents; wife, Anna; siblings Freida (Williard) Wehr, Karl (Martha) Hergett, Teresa (Rose) (Maurice) Holmes, Marie Fox, and Daniel Mears, (granddaughter LaRay's husband) Funeral services for Richard Hergett will be at 10 a.m. Thursday, Jan. 20, at St. John's Lutheran Church, 417 West Ninth Street, Laurel. Memorials may be made to St. John's Lutheran Church. P. O. Box 185, Laurel, MT 59044. Visitation will be 5 to 8 p.m. Wednesday, Jan. 19, at Smith Funeral Chapel-Laurel.

Contact me for further information. ..............Brent............ Brent Mai, University Librarian Director, Center for Volga German Studies http://cvgs.cu-portland.edu Concordia University Portland, Oregon 1850 Urbach Surnames (Maiden names included only for Households #1-39) Anschütz Arnst Balde Balger Beringer Bresch Loresch Buss Diehl Dietz Dotei Felsinger Glöckner Gossmann Gräf Haller Hannemann Heiner Helm Henne Hennig Henze Herdt Holdmann Holm Hopp Horn Ibe Jurk Kappel Kaspel Knak Knatz Krämer Krause Kreiner Kuntz Lehmann Leonhardt Lutzov Martin Mattias Mertz Michael Müller Petsch Pfeifer Pfister Rande Reichert Rekling Schäfer Schedel Schiefferstein Schöndel Schwartz Schwebel Seidenzahl Simon Sipiker Spakal Spannagel Steinpreis Wagner Waltzer Wanner Weber Welsch Werner Wingert Wingert Zahn Movement to/from the following colonies is recorded: Fresental, Reinhard, and Reinwald 1857 Urbach Surnames Anschütz Arnst Balde Dotei Gossmann Hannemann Henze Holdmann Holm Ibe Jurk Kappes Knatz Krämer Kreiner Leonhardt Martin Mattias Mertz Petsch Pfister Rekling Schäfer Schedel Schwartz Seidenzahl Spannagel Wagner Waltzer Weber Welsch Wingert Zahn

Mike and I contact Vera numerous times re the Miller family as we have Millers from Doenhof. While she shared some of her heritage with the list, she never really shared much of her Miller line with us. One would think she had a genealogy program with her family in it, but if she did, we do not know of it and would love to know if her line and ours intercepted. Your best bet is to search the GV Archives looking for Vera Miller and maybe you can find some of her notes there. Elaine Sharp

Thanks, Elaine. At least you know how to eliminate all the extraneous e/mail addresses before you make a comment and send and e/m. Thanks again. Ed Schwerdt

A Russian who is my second-cousin found me and also found my German second-cousin via the internet. Our grandfathers were brothers in Katharinenstadt, born in the 1880's. My grandfather came to Portland, OR and one of his brothers settled in Germany in the early 1910's. The third brother stayed in Katharinenstadt and had five children. Now out of those five children only one, Victor, has surviving children that we know of. I'm told one of Victor's sister's was shot. Apparently they were all deported somewhere. In the 1950's Victor tried to find his other siblings but could not. Now Victor died when his son Igor Zitzer was only 9. Now Igor is searching for his family history and there is no one alive from his family to get information from. Except those of us who are descendants of the brothers who LEFT Russia. My German second cousin and I have been able to provide Igor with his Zitzer grandfather's ancestry. But Igor is searching for his grandmother's ancestry which we know nothing about. Even the Engel's archives apparently have no information beyond her name. He has come to a dead end. I think it is sad and ironic that someone who was born and raised in Russia has less information about his ancestry than most of us here have about our Volga German ancestry. Sincerely, Sally Zitzer

Sorry, problems with my internet connection.   This link has info on the Miller family, including Vera's father Bruno Karlovich Miller.    http://www.wolgadeutsche.net/beljakova.htm   Bill Pickelhaupt --- On Sat, 1/15/11, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: From: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: [GV] Miller - Warenburg To: [email protected] Date: Saturday, January 15, 2011, 8:57 AM Mike and I contact Vera numerous times re the Miller family as we have  Millers from Doenhof. While she shared some of her heritage with the list,  she never really shared much of her Miller line with us. One would think  she had a genealogy program with her family in it, but if she did, we do  not know of it and would love to know if her line and ours intercepted.  Your best bet is to search the GV Archives looking for Vera Miller and  maybe you can find some of her notes there. Elaine Sharp ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message