I have enjoyed the recent research results posted by Jerry Goertzen.  Keep up the good work, Jerry! For the Enders surname, I can add one comment.  I'm under the impression that the Enders name in the village of Enders was actually shortened from Endersen.  In the First Settlers List for Enders, four Endersens are listed: #6 Johann Adam Endersen from Kiel, Holstein #7 Heinrich Friedrich Endersen from Kiel, Holstein #8 Johann Friedrich Endersen from Kiel, Holstein #32 Zorn? Endersen from Flensburg, Holstein In researching Enders, one should keep that possibility in mind.  The VC for Enders should be able to shed further light on this. I have also seen the Ohlberg surname among Volga Germans in the Chicago area.  But the actual name was Oelberg or Ölberg.  Again, one should keep that possibility in mind. David F. Schmidt Village Coordinator for Boaro, Cäsarsfeld & Stahl am Karaman Walnut Creek, CA 94598, USA Email: [email protected] Message: 3 Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 14:44:11 -0800 From: "Jerry and Fran Goertzen" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [GV] Ohlberg and Enders surnames your e-mail 01-21-11 To: <[email protected]>, "German Volga Roots Web"     <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="iso-8859-1" Linda: It appears that you are just starting your family research.  I recently answered a request by Shirley Loose in about the same position.  You need to find the death certificate of any known ancestors, especially ones that were born in Russia.  The death certificates usually have their parents names and where they were born.  These are generally found in County archives and sometimes State archives.  Naturalization papers and Passenger lists are also helpful.  Once you find your village in Russia, we can usually find your ancestors. I found the Enders and Ohlbergs in the 1798 Volga census (by Professor Brent Mai, currently in charge of "Volga Studies" at Concordia University in Oregon).  I found Adam Enders (b.1751) and his family in the 1798 census.  They were living in Krasnoyar, Russia.  His father, Johannes Enders (b.1721) in Darmstadt, Hessen, emigrated to Russia, arriving in Krasnoyar in 1767.  In 1798, I found Mathais Ohlberg (b.1758) and his family in Kukkus, Russia.  One son, Johann Peter (b.1763) had married and was living in Laub, Russia.  If you give names, dates and places of your U.S. families, as far back as you can, I may be able to guide you to sources to research here and prepare you for Russian research. You mentioned you like to read about the Volga Germans. The best website for that is  http://cvgs.cu-portland.edu    The center of Volga German Studies at Concordia University in Portland, OR.  Brent Mai is the head of the Volga Studies and he has loads of data on the web and the latest Volga Census Records. If you want books, maps and early census records you should go to < www.ahsgr.org > the headquarters in Lincoln, Neb. of AHSGR (American Historical Society of Germans from Russia) They have books, etc. on sale on the Volga German History, culture and many other things. Good luck and have fun and get back to me with what you have found!  Jerry Goertzen  ------------------------------

I was recently contacted by someone who is researching the following families from Katharinenstadt: Bienemann *Borg Günther *Müller *Naumann *Ortwein Rösener/Rösner Sabelfeld Wormsbecher Some of the families (see * above) also have a connection with Cäsarsfeld and/or Boregard. If anyone is researching these families, please email me for further details. David F. Schmidt Village Coordinator for Boaro, Cäsarsfeld & Stahl am Karaman Walnut Creek, CA 94598, USA Email: [email protected]

I saw your inquiry on Ger-Volga. In tracing your ancestry, did you obtain the death certificates of any ancestors that were born in Russia? The D.C. would give you dates and place of birth of the deceased as well as the names of the parents. The D.C. can be obtained from the county or state archives. This will help you get into Russia research. There are many sources of data from Russia from 1857 back to 1766 and then we enter German research. I checked your three surnames; Bierig, Schlundt and Wagner and found there are no Pleve Family Tree Charts for them. There isn't a Bauer website, however Professor Brent Mai's website < http://cvg.cu-portland.edu > has some Bauer data. I have information on all the Russian villages from 1798 back to 1766 in my home library, but not all of the 1834 to 1857 cencus records. That is the period that best connects to the American imigrants to their Russian ancestors. Professor Brent Mai has translated and has printed copies available for both 1834 and 1857 Bauer census records. Go to < [email protected] >. In the meantime, I did a little reverse genealogy and went back to the original settlers in Russia from Germany in 1766. Wagner is a common name in the Volga but I found only one that emmigrated to Bauer. Igor Pleve's "Einwanderung in das Wolgagebiet" (OSL), Vol I Bauer family #51 shows Johan Jakob Wagner (b 1741) from Dierbach, Zwebrücken and his wife Sibilla (b. 1741), and their son Christoph, 4 months old. They arrived in Bauer on 1 Mar 1767. By 1798, both Jakob and Sibilla had died and possibly Christoph, but five sons and their families were still in Bauer. Konrad Wagner (b 1769) and family had two younger brothers in their household; Johann Daniel (b 1780 and Johann Philipp (b1782)., Jakob Wagner (b 1772) and family and Georg Wagner (b1775) and his family all are listed. The Bauer Original Settlers List (OSL) family #36, has Christoph Schlund (b.1708) from Kersary ?, Nassau and his wife Christina (b1713) and 2 sons and 2 daughters. These sons were Friedrich Jakob (b 1746) and Georg Philipp (b.1752). They arrived in Bauer on 20 Jul 1766. By 1798, only Friedrich Jakob and family were in Bauer. This family includes four sons and five daughters. The 1798 census of Bauer also includes Johann Georg Bierig (b.1757) that moved there from Dietel. His wife was Louisa Ring (b1761) and two sons and three daughters. The 1834 and 1857 census records would get you closer to connecting with your ancestors and a quicj check shows all three surnames in both census records.If you could send the names and data on your Russian born ancestors, I may be able to find more sources you could check. Keep in touch. and Good Luck... Jerry Goertzen P.S. Do you grow Thyme or is it your favorite herb?

To Susan N.& Maggie H. Yes, I know Louise Potter has passed & I do have her book, however the Hofferber info is not entirely correct, I don't know how it can be changed. Susan H. Mom of Kelly Arthur Hubenthal 8/7/67-6/29/96 CoAuthor:Between Two Pages:Children of Substance Available:www.authorhouse.com Also read my articles on Word Press: suhuben.wordpress.com "We are, each of us, angels with one wing and we can fly only by embracing one another." ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 12:00:05 AM Subject: GER-VOLGA Digest, Vol 6, Issue 29 Today's Topics:    1. Re: Gorr surname  your email 01-22-11 (Jerry and Fran Goertzen)    2. Hofferber (SUSAN NAKAJI) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 11:04:25 -0800 From: "Jerry and Fran Goertzen" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [GV] Gorr surname  your email 01-22-11 To: <[email protected]>, "German Volga Roots Web"         <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain;        charset="iso-8859-1" Shirley: I can see what you mean about some discrepancies and many blanks.  I'll try to help on them first. Heinrich Gorr (b abt 1708) was in Sh?nberg, Sachsen.  There is no evidence that he went to Russia.  His two sons, Gottlieb (b 1741 not 1783) and August (b 1753) did go to Russia.  They arrived in Reinwald, Russia on 14 July 1766 and they were both Lutheran farmers from Sch?nberg, Sachsen.   Gottlieb and his family stayed in Reinwald at least thru 1798.  In the original settlers list (OSL) Gottleib's surname was phonetically misspelled as Nor and in the 1798 census it was also misspelled as Haar.  His wife's name was Katharina Hoffstetter from Heilbronin ( spelling?) (b 1744).  In 1788 (MV2401) August Gorr and his family moved to Schwed, the village next door.  I don't have the name of his first wife but she may have died in Schwed.  In 1789, (MV2404), Katharina Holzworth, daughter of Michael in Reinwald, married August Gorr in Schwed.  August had two sons and two daughters by his first wife and two sons and one daughter by by his second wife, Katharina. The first son of August Gorr and his unknown first wife was your Gottfried Gorr (b 1783). Your Great Grandfather, Christian Andrew Gorr (b 1854) should show up in the 1857 Schwed census as well as your Great Great Grandfather, Andrew Martin Gorr.  I do not have this census but it is available from Prof. Brent Mai at < [email protected] >.  Andrew is aamerican for Andreas, like Fred is american for Gottfried. I also found that Dr. Igor Pleve did a family tree chart for Gorr of Schwed.  This usually covers from the first settler in Schwed to the time the descendents left the village.  It is  available from AHSGR Headquarters, 631 D St., Lincoln, Neb. 68502.  I highly recommend the Pleve Charts if you want all your ancestors.  You can also purchase them online from their website.  ahsgr.org/[email protected]   I usually research ancestors, not descendents, but since you are searching Scottsbluff, NE, I will give you some sources if you haven't tried them yet. The Nebraska State Historical Society is a good source for Archives < www.nebraskahistory.org > Their address is 1805 10th St, Gering NE 69341.   I was born in Nebraska (Stockham) and have many relatives there, including some in Scottsbluff.   Another website I would recommend is Brent Mai's Volga German Studies  http://cvgs.cu-portland.edu   Let me know how you are doing.     Jerry Goertzen ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 13:53:43 -0800 (PST) From: SUSAN NAKAJI <[email protected]> Subject: [GV] Hofferber To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In regard to this message, Louise Potter passed away a few years ago.  You will have better luck contacting Maggie Hein, the assistant Village Coordinator for Frank.  I am now the Village Coordinator for Hussenbach, haven taken over the position after the passing of Louise. Message: 4 Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 17:05:41 -0800 Susan: I saw your ancestor request on Ger-Volga and checked the Russian data.  You are in luck because the Russian data...  The next best chance is the Pleve Charts of surnames for each village and both of your surname charts are available.  These are family tree type charts. The Hofferber chart for the village of Frank can be purchased from Louise Potter, 306 N. Alder St., Toppenish, WA. 98949-1309. Susan Nakaji Village Coordinator for Hussenbach Life Member of American Historical Society of Germans from Russia Member of the German Russian Historical Society Descendant of Frank and Hussenbach, Saratov. 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In regard to this message, Louise Potter passed away a few years ago. You will have better luck contacting Maggie Hein, the assistant Village Coordinator for Frank. I am now the Village Coordinator for Hussenbach, haven taken over the position after the passing of Louise. Message: 4 Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 17:05:41 -0800 Susan: I saw your ancestor request on Ger-Volga and checked the Russian data. You are in luck because the Russian data... The next best chance is the Pleve Charts of surnames for each village and both of your surname charts are available. These are family tree type charts. The Hofferber chart for the village of Frank can be purchased from Louise Potter, 306 N. Alder St., Toppenish, WA. 98949-1309. Susan Nakaji Village Coordinator for Hussenbach Life Member of American Historical Society of Germans from Russia Member of the German Russian Historical Society Descendant of Frank and Hussenbach, Saratov. Volga, Russia and Kulm and Leipzig, Bessarabia, Russia

Shirley: I can see what you mean about some discrepancies and many blanks. I'll try to help on them first. Heinrich Gorr (b abt 1708) was in Shönberg, Sachsen. There is no evidence that he went to Russia. His two sons, Gottlieb (b 1741 not 1783) and August (b 1753) did go to Russia. They arrived in Reinwald, Russia on 14 July 1766 and they were both Lutheran farmers from Schönberg, Sachsen. Gottlieb and his family stayed in Reinwald at least thru 1798. In the original settlers list (OSL) Gottleib's surname was phonetically misspelled as Nor and in the 1798 census it was also misspelled as Haar. His wife's name was Katharina Hoffstetter from Heilbronin ( spelling?) (b 1744). In 1788 (MV2401) August Gorr and his family moved to Schwed, the village next door. I don't have the name of his first wife but she may have died in Schwed. In 1789, (MV2404), Katharina Holzworth, daughter of Michael in Reinwald, married August Gorr in Schwed. August had two sons and two daughters by his first wife and two sons and one daughter by by his second wife, Katharina. The first son of August Gorr and his unknown first wife was your Gottfried Gorr (b 1783). Your Great Grandfather, Christian Andrew Gorr (b 1854) should show up in the 1857 Schwed census as well as your Great Great Grandfather, Andrew Martin Gorr. I do not have this census but it is available from Prof. Brent Mai at < [email protected] >. Andrew is aamerican for Andreas, like Fred is american for Gottfried. I also found that Dr. Igor Pleve did a family tree chart for Gorr of Schwed. This usually covers from the first settler in Schwed to the time the descendents left the village. It is available from AHSGR Headquarters, 631 D St., Lincoln, Neb. 68502. I highly recommend the Pleve Charts if you want all your ancestors. You can also purchase them online from their website. ahsgr.org/[email protected] I usually research ancestors, not descendents, but since you are searching Scottsbluff, NE, I will give you some sources if you haven't tried them yet. The Nebraska State Historical Society is a good source for Archives < www.nebraskahistory.org > Their address is 1805 10th St, Gering NE 69341. I was born in Nebraska (Stockham) and have many relatives there, including some in Scottsbluff. Another website I would recommend is Brent Mai's Volga German Studies http://cvgs.cu-portland.edu Let me know how you are doing. Jerry Goertzen

Susan: I saw your ancestor request on Ger-Volga and checked the Russian data. You are in luck because the Russian data is plentiful on your families. You need to find the connecting families here in the U.S, and we can do the rest. You should get the death certificates of your U.S. ancestors that were born in Russia. You can usually obtain these records from the county vital records where they died. Sometimes the State archives has the records. A death certificate usually contains the parent's of the deceased names and the village of birth. That should get you to Russia. If you send me the names, dates and places of your U.S. ancestors, I may be able to give you sources to find their data. The last census record generally available in Russia is the 1857, but neither the Frank or Walter census has been translated at this time. I understand Professor Brent Mai, of Concordia University in Oregon has it listed to be translated and printed for sale. The next best chance is the Pleve Charts of surnames for each village and both of your surname charts are available. These are family tree type charts. The Hofferber chart for the village of Frank can be purchased from Louise Potter, 306 N. Alder St., Toppenish, WA. 98949-1309. The Wiederspahn chart for the village of Walter, Frank and Brunnentalcan be purchased from the Central Washington Chapter of AHSGR, % Frank McLean, 3811 McLean Drive, Yakima, WA 98902-4836. These charts contain all of the surname ancestors in each village from when they arrived in Russia to when they left the village. In the meantime, I thought I would give you some data on the early German colonists that lived in Frank and Walter of Russia. You're again in luck because I found that there was only one Hofferber and one Wiederspahn family that emigrated to Russia. That means that all German Russian of each surname can be traced to one original settler of each surname. I checked the period from 1798 where I have all the Volga village census data, to 1766 when the colonists first arrived in Russia. On Sept 01, 1767, Johannes Hofferber (b 1723) and his family arrived in Frank, Russia. This included his wife, two sons and 2 daughters. The sons were Johann Leonard (b 1743) and Johann Nikolaus (b 1749). They were from Eurbach in what is now Germany. On August 25, 1767, Johann Heinrich Wiederspahn (b 1725) and his family arrived in Walter, Russia. This included his wife, 5 sons and 2 daughters. The sons were Johann Adam (b 1749), Johann Heinrich (b 1754), Georg Ernst (b. 1759), Johannes (b 1760) and Johann Leonard (b.1764). They were from Greihaar, Hanau. In 1798 the families were still in their respective villages. Now, we just have to connect your information with ours and the Pleve Charts could do that. I would suggest purchasing the charts. Let me know if you want help on your U.S. ancestors. Good Luck Jerry Goertzen

Linda: It appears that you are just starting your family research. I recently answered a request by Shirley Loose in about the same position. You need to find the death certificate of any known ancestors, especially ones that were born in Russia. The death certificates usually have their parents names and where they were born. These are generally found in County archives and sometimes State archives. Naturalization papers and Passenger lists are also helpful. Once you find your village in Russia, we can usually find your ancestors. I found the Enders and Ohlbergs in the 1798 Volga census (by Professor Brent Mai, currently in charge of "Volga Studies" at Concordia University in Oregon). I found Adam Enders (b.1751) and his family in the 1798 census. They were living in Krasnoyar, Russia. His father, Johannes Enders (b.1721) in Darmstadt, Hessen, emigrated to Russia, arriving in Krasnoyar in 1767. In 1798, I found Mathais Ohlberg (b.1758) and his family in Kukkus, Russia. One son, Johann Peter (b.1763) had married and was living in Laub, Russia. If you give names, dates and places of your U.S. families, as far back as you can, I may be able to guide you to sources to research here and prepare you for Russian research. You mentioned you like to read about the Volga Germans. The best website for that is http://cvgs.cu-portland.edu The center of Volga German Studies at Concordia University in Portland, OR. Brent Mai is the head of the Volga Studies and he has loads of data on the web and the latest Volga Census Records. If you want books, maps and early census records you should go to < www.ahsgr.org > the headquarters in Lincoln, Neb. of AHSGR (American Historical Society of Germans from Russia) They have books, etc. on sale on the Volga German History, culture and many other things. Good luck and have fun and get back to me with what you have found! Jerry Goertzen

Sheila; The reason Johannes Kreutzer (b. 1752) is not found in the Kuhlberg Lists is that the earliest record in the Ivan Kuhlberg List is in May 1766. It would usually take a year of processing and travel from Oranienbaum to their Volga village. Johannes arrived in Herzog, Russia on 14 July 1766. Johannes may have travelled a different route or sailed from Lübeck before the Kuhlberg Lists were recorded. As for the German Village of Ruden, Kurbener, I think Dick Krause may be right about the phonetic misspelling of the names. I ran a check of Rhineland-Pfalz (Kurpfalz) and could not find any name similar to Rudin. I checked Bavaria and found Röding. It is located about 100 km E.S.E. of Nüenberg, 45 km N.E. of Regensburg and 85 km S.W. of Pilsen. The Kingdom of Bavaria is a large area in south east Germany so I narrowed the research area. Most of the German States were small enough to be covered in Kevan Hansen's German Parish books with one or two volumes. Bavaria requires 9 volumes plus another volume just for the master index. The village Röding is in Bavaria, book IV-RB Oberpflaz, which is Volume 17 in Hansen's series. The book will identify the church where the people of the village worshipped and the parish would have all the records of the village. I also found a village of Rüding in the same volume. Kevan Hansen's "German Map Guides" are a valuable resource for researching in Germany. In the 1760s when our ancestors left for Russia, Germany didn't exist. It was the Holy Roman Empire with its capitol in Trier. We visited Trier and it is almost like a Roman city with its Colosiem, Roman Baths and Triumptphal Gate. Rome finally relinquished control in 1806, but it wasn't until 1871 that the German Empire was formed. There were no civil records before that time. The church kept all the birth, marriage and death records. Most of the German church registers were microfilmed by the LDS Church but in Bavaria some churches refused to allow the filming. Hansen's Parish Books give the microfilm number of all the parishes that were filmed. For the ones not filmed he lists Genealogy sources and State archives in Germany that could help you. The books also give a history and timeline for that particular area. The index contains all the villages in the book and their parish is listed by religion. These German Map Guides are available from www.familyrootspublishing.com . Some of these Parish records go back to the 1500s. If you need more information, let me know. Also, I will check the Parish Guide the next time I'm in Fresno and see if it has the microfilm number. Jerry Goertzen

Kindsfather, Donald James, Sept. 2, 1939-Jan, 2011 Billings Gazette Billings, MT 29 Jan 2011 BULLHEAD CITY, Ariz. — Donald James Kindsfather, age 71, died peacefully at home in Bullhead City. Don was born in Billings on Sept. 2, 1939, where he spent most of his life. Don worked the majority of his life in the hospital industry as General Services Manager for Holy Rosary Hospital in Miles City, Mont., and then Manager of Environmental Services at Deaconess Medical Center in Billings. A practical joker, Don enlivened the lives of many. He enjoyed restoring cars, boating, camping, exploring the desert and teasing his grandchildren, nieces and nephews. Everyone was drawn to him and his sense of humor. He had a heart for the underdog and those in need and dearly loved his church family. Donald is survived by his beloved wife, Ginger Kindsfather of Bullhead City; three sons, Mark (Kari) Kindsfather and Dan (Allison) Kindsfather, both of Billings, and Philip (Laura) Vedovatti of Seattle; four daughters, Nancy (David) Roth of Richmond, Texas, Theresa Vedovatti of Helena, Mont., Rebecca (Trevor) Vedovatti-Stevens of Buckhannon, W.Va., and Jill (Tary) Hanson of Colstrip, Mont.; three brothers, Gene (Barbara) Kindsfather of Hurst, Texas, Walter (Gail) Kindsfather of Billings and Dick (Munien) Kindsfather of Laurel, Mont.; sister, Beverly (Bill) Ostermiller of Laurel; and 11 beloved grandchildren. Don was preceded in death by his parents, Arthur and Lydia Kindsfather, his grandson, Justin Kindsfather, and an infant granddaughter, Ashley Kindsfather. A memorial service will be held at 2 p.m. on Friday, Feb. 4, at Faith Chapel, 517 Shiloh Road. Pastor Greg Jensen will officiate. In lieu of flowers, memorials may be sent to Hope United Methodist Church, 1325 Ramar Road, Bullhead City, AZ 86442.

Jerry Frank Jacobs suggested that I contact you because you may have the Guide to the German Parish Register for Roding, Oberpfalz, Bayern. I think this is where Johannes Kreutzer b.1748 and d.1824 Rohleder, Russia was born. According to the Rohleder Russia 1798 census he was married to Elenore Laber and they had 5 sons. If you do have this village I can not tell you how much I would appriciate any information or assistance in detemining my Kreutzer family from Germany. I am new to researching germany. Thank you Sheila Kreutzer Derevage ----- Original Message ----- From: frank jacobs <[email protected]> To: Sheila Derevage <[email protected]> Sent: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 18:45:28 -0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: Kreutzer search  Sheila, Now that you know the region you want, contact Jerry Goertzen and ask his if he has the Guide to the German Parish Register volume for Roding, Oberplatz, Bayern and if he does, will he look up the village for you. The village will have an LDS microfilm index number. However in my search for Kisners, I found that LDS was not allowed to copy that church's records. Hope for the best. If Jerry does not have that volumn, ask him how to contact the genealogist at his former Chapter post and ask him to check the volume in their libary. Bayern is a very common region (also known as Bavaria). Jerry is at [email protected] Keep me posted. By the way, I have the centenial edition of Liebenthal, Kansas, the home of the Kreutzer in Kansas. If it does not pan out for you, check the ship manifest for the other ship other than the Mosel with the Herzog people. That's the ship the Liebenthalers sailed on. Frank Jacobs ----- Original Message ----- From:Sheila Derevage To:frank jacobs Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 12:12 PM Subject: Re: Kreutzer search Frank Thanks so much for your help. I did purchase the Kulhburg ship lists and I did not find a Kreutzer match between the ship list and the Herzog census. But with all the help from the forum I feel comfortable with Johannes Kreutzer b. 1749-51 is from Roding, Oberpfalz, Bayern, Germany. I was able to locate this place on a map. The only place that I know to look now is LDS. Or if you have any other sources that would be less time consuming. Do not get me wrong I love the research I just work full time, married, and have two kids in school. Sheila ======= Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.16740) http://www.pctools.com ======= ======= Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.16760) http://www.pctools.com ======= ======= Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.16760) http://www.pctools.com =======

I have traced my ancestry back to the Berieg's who came to America in 1912. My great-great-grandmother was named Amalia or possibly Mobie Berieg (Wagner), she was from Bauer and I believe her father was Philip Wagner and her mother was Molly Schlundt, most likely from Bauer. I don't have any more information about Philip or Molly other than their names, any info would help. Nicholas Butterfield

Frank, Helen G., Aug. 18, 1925- Jan. 27, 2011 Billings Gazette Billings, MT 28 Jan 2011 Our mom, Helen G. Frank, 85, left this world on Jan. 27, 2011, after a short illness. Helen was born Aug. 18, 1925, in Laurel, to German immigrants John George and Mary Katherine Gratwohl, the ninth of 11 children. Her large family was poor in material wealth, but rich in love. She was educated in Laurel and graduated from Laurel High School in 1944. She was a member of the Lutheran Church of the Good Shepherd in Billings. Helen married Herman H. Frank in January of 1949. Mom was working at the Bureau of Reclamation when she became pregnant with her first daughter, Patty, and quit the day she found out. Motherhood was her greatest career; she was good at it. This union produced another daughter, Carol. Mom and Dad later divorced. Mom supported her two girls by working at Midland Implement, Midland National Bank and First Trust Company. She was an excellent secretary and retired in 1983. Helen was preceded in death by her mother and father; brothers George, Alex and Harold; and sisters Molly, Katy, Mary, Rosie, Lydia, Martha and Gari. She is survived by her girls, Patty (Greg) Lucas, Carol (Tom) Swoboda; granddaughter Cara (Shane) Fairbanks; and great-granddaughter Ella Fairbanks, all of Billings. She is also survived by many nieces and nephews. Mom was a loving and devoted mother, mother-in-law, grandmother and great-grandmother. Her granddaughter, Cara, was her pride and joy. She will be greatly missed by all who knew her. She is now with her mother, whom she so wished to see during the last months of her life. We would like to thank Dr. Dudczak, Billings Clinic, and Lydia Gonzalez, our angel, for their care of our mother. Visitations may be made from 9 a.m. to 8 p.m. on Monday, Jan. 31, at the Smith West Chapel, 304 34th St. West. Funeral services will be held at 1 p.m. on Tuesday, Feb. 1, at Smith's West Chapel, with burial to follow at the mausoleum in Terrace Gardens Cemetery. Memorials to American Diabetes Association or charity of one's choice.

Schreiner, Robert ‘Bob’, Feb. 29, 1956- Jan. 21, 2011 Billings Gazette Billungs, MT 25 Jan 2011 Robert "Bob" Schreiner, age 54, passed away on Jan. 21, 2011, at St. Vincent Hospital in Billings. He was born on Feb. 29, 1956, in Billings. He grew up on "Christmas Wreath Lane" and was very active in all sports at Rose Park. The family later moved to Livingston. He graduated from Park County High School, where he was the quarterback of the varsity football team and married Michelle Blanc. He was a loyal, lifelong Green Bay Packers fan and enjoyed NASCAR. Bob later moved his family to Great Falls. He was President and owner of Pioneer Wine & Spirits, a large successful wine and spirits business for 25-plus years, which became the largest independent broker in the county. He was well respected by his peers. He recently sold his business to The Odom Corporation and retired as Vice President. He enjoyed hunting, fishing, boating and sports. Bob's adventurous spirit lead him to hunting in Alaska and fishing in the Caribbean. His most memorable fishing and hunting trips included his father, son and best friend Leon. He loved people and was always surrounded by his many friends. Bob is survived by his mother, Vivian Schreiner; daughter Kimberlee (Mark) DeBourg; and son Phillip (Lourdes) Schreiner; four grandchildren, Olivia, Ava, Jack DeBourg and Anthony Schreiner. And by Becky Harmala, his best friend and loyal companion to the end. He was preceded in death by his father, Robert Schreiner. Visitation will be from 1 to 9 p.m. on Wednesday, Jan. 26, and also, from 8 to 11 a.m. on Thursday, Jan. 27. The family will be in attendance on Wednesday from 7 to 8:30 p.m. Visitation will be held at Smith Downtown Chapel, located at 925 S. 27th St. The family asks that in lieu of flowers, donations be made in Bob's memory to the Billings Shrine, Shodair Children's Hospital, 2755 Colonial Drive, Helena, MT 59604; or the Cystic Fibrosis Foundation, 6931 Arlington Road, 2nd Floor, Bethesda, MD 20814. Funeral services will be held at the Billings Shrine Auditorium on Thursday, Jan. 27, at 2 p.m., with a reception to follow immediately. The Shrine is located at 1125 Broadwater Ave. Burial will be Friday, Jan. 28, at 11 a.m., at the Laurel Cemetery. Until we meet again, my friend. Bob would say "saw ya."

I 2008 I did receive records from Saratov for Beideck. At that time, I do know that Saratov had the following: Beideck Births 1889-1896 (it was also indicated they did not have Beideck birth records for 1885-1888) Beideck Births 1908-1910 In addition to that were Balzer Births 1908-1910 When I inquired of Engels, around the same time, their response was they had no records for Beideck. However, I suspect this information was not accurate and was wondering if anyone has received any Beideck records from Engels more recently? Angela Rice Beideck VC -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of hugh lichtenwald Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 12:09 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [GV] Fw: Re: Fw: Re: Spomers and Yorks Hallo Gary and Listers:   The Engels Archive has at a minimum the following:  Beideck births 1767-1844, 1814-1834 Beideck Marriages 1836-1839 Beideck Deaths 1847-1859 Beideck Births 1842-1861, 1845-1858, 1859, 1879   These were in Fond F263 of the Evangelical Lutheran Church Registers which were in need of restoration back in 2002.   I do not know for certain but I assume they also have a number of "Family Lists," which the government required village councils to keep.   Yes, Volgograd has Beideck Births from 1892-1900 and the Beideck Census for 1834 and 1857, why they have them and not the rest of the data is a mystery to me. The majority of Beideck inforation is most likely to be found at the Engels Archivel.   Hugh Lichtenwald VC, Wiesenmueller         --- On Thu, 1/20/11, Gary Martens <[email protected]> wrote: From: Gary Martens <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [GV] Fw: Re: Spomers and Yorks To: [email protected] Date: Thursday, January 20, 2011, 11:31 AM Birth records for Beideck are at the Russian Archives in Volgagrad.  The only birth records available are 1892-1900. Gary Martens Dobrinka, Galka, Neu-Weimar & Schilling villages VC On 1/20/2011 6:55 AM, hugh lichtenwald wrote: > > --- On Thu, 1/20/11, hugh lichtenwald<[email protected]>  wrote: > > > From: hugh lichtenwald<[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [GV] Spomers and Yorks > To: "Ralph Spomer"<[email protected]> > Date: Thursday, January 20, 2011, 7:38 AM > > > > > > > > > Hallo Ralph and Listers:: >    > This is going to be old stuff but here goes: There are no Yorks anywhere on the Volga. York is the American version of Georg and there are a number of Katherines who might match your Katherine "York" Georg. As for Balthasar Spomer, I think your birth year might be off a bit.....I'm not sure because the data I have on the family is not from a primary source. I think the data is probably from you and was sent to Kathy Brehm LaPella. Anyway....if Johannes was born in 1870 his father would have been born around 1850 or earlier and there are a number of Balthasar Spomers who are on the Spomer Charts for that time period who do not have spouses listed. >    > All that is not at all helpful and the only way to resolve the problem is to have the Russian Archives do a little research for you. You have John George Spomer's birthdate as Aug. 27, 1881 in Beideck... It would not be too difficult a task for them to find his parents and siblings. >    > Unfortunately, you'd have to find a Russian speaker to phrase the request for you and that is not an easy thing to do these days. Because you have Johann George Spomer's birthdate and the names of his parents, it would likely cost you about a hundred bucks to find the info on his parentage and siblings. Engels (if you send them a request) will come back with an estimate of what it will cost you and tell you where to send the money (they want the money up front). >    > There are a number of Russian Language capable folks on the GR listservice but I would not presume to name them for fear of starting a stampede of people requesting their services. >    > If you happen to have any Spomer or Georg acquaintances in Russia, it would be much cheaper to have them order the data from Engels....The Archives charge foreigners twice the fees they do resident Russians. >    > Hugh Lichtenwald, from the farm in Monetta, SC > VC, Wiesenmueller > . >    > --- On Thu, 1/20/11, Ralph Spomer<[email protected]>  wrote: > > > From: Ralph Spomer<[email protected]> > Subject: [GV] (no subject) > To: "[email protected] com"<[email protected]> > Date: Thursday, January 20, 2011, 12:16 AM > > > Hello everyone > I'm looking for my Great Grandmother Katherine York. The Spomer family > thought she was from Beideck but there are no listings for her in any census > from Beideck. She would have to have been from another colony. She married > Balthasar (Walter) Spomer in Alt. Beideck.Walter was born abt. 1857 +or- a > few years and we think they both may have died in Neu Beideck. They had > three children that we know of. John, married to Sophia Dahmer, Katherine > Maria, married Peter Rody, and my Grandfather Johann George, married to > Katherine Zubicks. My father Johann George Jr. was 2 yrs old when they came > to this country in 1913.I have been looking for my Great Grandparents for > about ten years without any luck. Everything stops at my Grand father. If > anyone has any information I would really like to hear from you. > All and any help would be appreciated. > PS. I have copies of two Spomer charts and my Spomers are not on them. > Ralph Spomer > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Shirley; I saw your inquiry on Ger-Volga about your Gorr research. I work primarily on Russian and German research so first, you need to find more data on Christian Gorr here. This can be done by finding a death certificate of any Gorr that was born in Russia. It usually shows the parents and the village of birth. These certificates are generally found in County archives, and sometimes in the State archives. The Naturalization papers and the Passenger lists are also helpful. Other families folks travelled with sometimes are important in their lives after arriving in Russia. Once you have found your village in Russia, we can help you find your ancestors. You are lucky in the fact that only two Gorr families went to Russia. Nikolaus Gorr (born 1744) arrived in Yagodnaya Polyanna, Russia in 1767 and by 1798, the family was still found in Yagodnaya Polyanna. The other family, Gottlieb Gorr (b.1742) and his brother August Gorr (b.1753) went to Reinwald, Russia, in 1766. In 1798, their families were found in Reinwald and Schwed, neighboring villages. So, if you can find your family back to Russia, I think we can help you. In the meantime, if you give dates and places of the U.S. families as far back as you can, I may be able to guide you to sources to search. Quite often villages were only 5 to 6 miles apart. I was the genealogist for our Central California Chapter of American Historical Society of Germans from Russia, located in Fresno, CA. for ten years, retired in December 2009, but still work on genealogy from my Library here in my home, along with trips into Fresno's archives. Good luck and enjoy your research. Jerry Goertzen

Weber , Helen (Debus), April 22, 1915- Jan. 20, 2011 Billings Gazette Billings, MT 22 Jan 2011 On Jan. 20, 2011, Helen Weber, beloved wife (Alfred, deceased) and precious mother of James A. Weber (dear Dixie), Elizabeth Jane Weber and Dorothy H. Weber (deceased), slipped these earthly bonds and drifted peacefully into the sweet slumber promised by our Lord Jesus to await the awesome and glorious Resurrection Day. Her youngest daughter, Jane, was holding her hand and kissing her farewell when their darling mother looked right at her and slightly nodded her head, acknowledging her kisses. Jane seldom called Helen "Mom," but always "Sweetheart" or "Darlin'." It is ONLY because of Helen's and Jane's deep faith in our Heavenly Father and His Wonderful Son that allows us to release her, in peace and gratitude, to Their blessed care. Helen belonged to the Billings Seventh Day Adventist church family in Billings since 1972. Our "Darlin'" was a very bright, loving and intelligent person whose whole life was dedicated to her family! Born on April 22, 1915, to her loving parents, Phillip and Maria Debus, and raised on the Huntley Project and then later living in Billings, she worked extremely hard all her life. Her very clever mind and determination, along with her many skills, earned her the respect of all who knew her. She was the beast seamstress in town for 17 years, performing such exquisite work in drapery construction that the most prestigious homeowners often waited three or four months so she alone could make their homes' window treatments more beautiful because Helen was a perfectionist! Helen's younger sister, Leah Reiter (Carl), and Helen's three grandchildren, Steven, Kenneth (Monique) and Sandra Sherwood (Kurt) and five great-grandchildren, Christopher, Justin, Austin, Nathan and Logan, even though they were many miles away, were very dear to her heart. This also applied to her nieces and nephews and all the rest of her "family." She felt that one special church family member was a real "sister in Christ," as well as a wonderful friend. And that friend knows who she is! The entire staff of St. John's Lutheran Home conducted themselves with the utmost loving care and professionalism. Jim and Jane wish to acknowledge the many heartfelt hugs and expressions of sympathy from everyone! Thank each of you for your care, service and protection. We have always loved you, "Darlin'," and will forever love you. You will live FOREVER in our hearts and minds. We will join you soon. Rest well now and sleep in Jesus. Funeral services will be held at 2 p.m. Tuesday, Jan. 25, at Smith Downtown Chapel, located at 925 S. 27th St. Visitation begins at 5 p.m. Monday, Jan. 24. Interment will follow in the Pleasantview Cemetery.

I am looking for information about the Enders or Oelbergs who settled in Jefferson Park, Chicago IL in 1912. Also interested in reading books about the Volga Germans, fact or fiction.

Hello All, I am the assistant Village Coordinator for the village of Kolb and have just created a joint website for Frank and Kolb. The website is now active and available to all at the following: http://www.frank-kolb-russia.org or http://frank-kolb-russia.org If you have any surnames that you are researching in either Frank or Kolb (or both) and would like to have your name and surnames added to the list of researchers for either village please send me the pertinent information and some sort of contact information that will be posted to the website. For security reasons all emails will be obfuscated so that spam bots cannot cull the addresses. You can either send me the information through this list serve, directly, or through the website contact page. Regards, Kelly Horst

Greenwald, Dennis Joe, Sept. 26, 1945- Jan. 16, 2011 Scottsbluff Star Herald Scottsbluff, NE 21 Jan 2011 LINGLE, Wyo. - Dennis Joe Greenwald, 65, died at Community Hospital in Torrington, Wyo. Sunday, Jan. 16, 2011. Funeral services will be held at 2 p.m. Friday, Jan. 21, 2011, at the Lingle Community Presbyterian Church with Pastor Rick Carroll officiating. Burial will follow in the Hillcrest Cemetery in Lingle. Memorials may be made to either the Lingle Volunteer Fire Department or the Lingle/Ft. Laramie Booster Club. The casket will be closed. Arrangements are under the direction of the Colyer Funeral Home and friends may send condolences to the family at www.colyerfuneralhome.com. Dennis was born Sept. 26, 1945, in Portland, Ore. the son of Joe and Mary (Hergert) Greenwald. They moved to Lingle when he was young and he grew up and received his education and graduating high school there. He attended Chadron State College for two years. Dennis married Linda Cottier on May 31, 1966, and later in life they divorced. He entered the National Guard and received his basic training in Aberdeen, Maryland. After the military Dennis moved back to Lingle where he farmed with his father for many years. In the early 80's he obtained his license as a commodities/futures broker and was a partner in "Interstate Futures" in Torrington. He retired in 2003. In his retirement he ventured into acquiring and breeding bucking bulls. Dennis was an avid golfer, enjoyed playing cards and was a lifelong music lover. He was a past member of the Lingle Volunteer Fire Department and served on many boards and directorships in the area. Survivors include his son, Bryan Greenwald and his wife Kelly of Lingle; daughter, DeLynn Greenwald of Denver; mother, Mary Greenwald of Lingle; sister, Mary Lou Brott and her husband Richard of Lingle; and grandsons, Barry Greenwald and Rhett Greenwald. His father preceded him in death.