Hi, Relative! I am related to Albrecht and Giebelhaus of Norka. I saw your inquiry on Ger-Volga and I can help. I have all of the Norka records from 1857 back to 1766 and Albrecht is easy. I have him in my database. Georg Albrecht was born 1811 in Norka and died 1851. He married Elisabeth Giebelhaaus also born 1811 in Norka. They had six children by the 1857 census, sons Konrad (1833), Johannes (1935), Georg (1846), Heinrich (b.1846-d.1851), Philipp (1850) and one daughter Elisabeth (1843). Georg Albrecht's (b1811) father was Johannes Albrecht (b1788 and died 1822). His mother is unknown because they were married after the 1798 census and she died before the 1834 census. The parents of Johannes (1788) were Martin Albrecht (1748) and Anna Margaretha Ulrich (1749). Martin Albrecht (1748) was single when he arrived from the port of Lübeck to Orienbaum, Russia (near St. Petersburg) on 10 August 1766 aboard the Russian Pink "Vologda" skippered by Lieutenant Sergey Bartenyev, Document #4847. After porocessing and travel, he finally arrived in Norka on 15 August 1767. He had married Anna Margaretha enroute so she is included. Her family was traveling on the same ship as Martin Albrecht at Document #4868. He was listed as a farmer and of the Reformed faith from Pferdsbach, Isenburg. The village of Pferdsbach is just north of Büdingen, Isenburg, Hessen. The Giebelhaus is more of a problem. The 1811 census would not help because it was a male only census used for division of property. Elisabeth (1911) was born after the 1798 census which would show her parents, and she was married by the 1834 census so naturally her parents are not shown. I have the same type of information for Giebelhaus as I have for Albrecht, but until we can connect her to her parents, I don't know which line to follow. There are six families of Giebelhaus in Norka by 1834. Usually they married at 20 and often had children for up to 40 years, so using that 40 year period, there would be nine possible fathers. Until we can figure who Elisabeth's father is, I cannot make a positive connection. Once we do, I can take you back to Johannes Giebelhaus (1724) and wife Anna Margaretha (1725) from Marienberg, Isenburg. The Giebelhaus family arrived in Oranienbaum on 22 July 1766 (document #2327) and arrived in Norka on 5 August 1767. They had four children, Johann Jakob (1755), Johann Adam (1761), Johann Georg (1769) and daughter Magdalena (1767). I hope this helps you, and if you need more data let me know. Jerry Goertzen P.S. There is a Pleve Family Chart on Giebelhaus of Norka but I don't have it. It is available at AHSGR headquarters in Lincoln, NEB. ( AHSGR.com ) . That chart should show the connection of Elizabeth (1811) and her parents. I also found some data on Family Search but no reference was given so I can't verify it.

Sheila: The Kuhlberg arrival records are for the GRs arriving later, generally in 1766-1767. The very first settlers to the Volga region villages arrived several years before that, and that information is in the four book series titled "Einwanderung in das Wolgagebiet 1764-1767" by Dr. Igor Pleve, and sold by AHSGR: https://store.ahsgr.org/p-420-einwanderung-in-das-wolgagebiet-1764-1767-immigration-to-the-volga-region-volume-1.aspx One thing to note, not all arrival records for villages have been found. For example, there is no First Settler's List for Schilling, and possibly other villages. Gary Martens Dobrinka, Galka, Neu-Weimar & Schilling villages VC On 2/21/2011 11:28 AM, Sheila Derevage wrote: > I purchased the Kuhlberg ship records and I did not find Asselborns or Linenburgers. Can someone tell me if there are other ship records resources available? > > Thanks > > Sheila Kreutzer Derevage > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello, I'm searching for the descendants of Pia Baumtrog. She was born about 1889 in Neu-Kolonie. She married perhaps and I don't know whom. She has perhaps some books of Augustin Baumtrog which contains the familytree of all Baumtrog. If someone has informations bout her or other Baumtrogs, please send them to me: [email protected] Alexander Baumtrog ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Hola, Estoy buscando a los descendientes de Pia Baumtrog. Nació hacia 1889 en Neu-Kolonie. Se casó y tal vez no sé quién.Tiene tal vez algunos libros de Agustín Baumtrog que contiene elárbol genealógico de todos los Baumtrog. Si alguien tiene información de su pelea o Baumtrogs otros, por favor, envíe a mí:[email protected] Alexander Baumtrog ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Hallo, ich suche die Nachfahren von Pia Baumtrog. Sie wurde 1889 in Neu-Kolonie geboren. Sie heiratete und zog weg. Wen sie geheiratet hat weiß ich nicht. Sie hat wahrscheinlich die Bücher von Augustin Baumtrog, die den gesamten Stammbaum der Baumtrogs enthalten. Falls jemand Informationen zu ihr oder anderen Baumtrogs hat: [email protected] Alexander Baumtrog

Hauf , Harold H., Oct. 8, 1928- Feb. 15, 2011 Scottsbluff Star Herald Scottsbluff, NE 18 Feb 2011 Harold H. Hauf, 82, of Scottsbluff, formerly of Yoder, Wyo., died Tuesday, Feb. 15, 2011, at Golden Living Center in Scottsbluff. At his request, cremation has taken place at Jolliffe Funeral Home and Crematory in Scottsbluff. Graveside services will be scheduled for a later date. Memorials may be made to Riverside Discovery Center in Scottsbluff. Online condolences may be left at www.jolliffefuneralhome.com. Jolliffe Funeral Home and Crematory in Scottsbluff is in charge of arrangements. Harold was born Oct. 8, 1928, in Yoder, Wyo. to Ishmael and Mary (Rutz) Hauf. He was raised and received his education in Yoder. He married Martha Betty Weitzel in 1948 in Yoder. The couple raised their sons, Terry and Lon on the ranch. Harold liked to travel when he got the chance, but he loved farming and ranching so he stayed close to home. He loved spending time with family and friends and sometimes going fishing. Survivors include his sons, Terry (Laurel) Hauf, Sr. and Lon Hauf of Torrington; grandchildren. Terry, Jr. and Heather; brother, Riney Hauf of Palm Dale, Calif.; sisters, Ruthe (Frank) Ballik of Sheridan, Wyo., and Alice (Ruben) Deines of Torrington, Wyo. His parents, four brothers and five sisters preceded him in death.

Stahl, Elizabeth D., July 25, 1923- February 16, 2011 Billings Gazette Billings Mt 18 Feb 2011 Funeral Services for Elizabeth D. Stahl will be Friday, February 18th, 2011 at 10:00 a.m. at the Deerfield Colony with burial to follow in the Deerfield Colony Cemetery. The Cloyd Funeral Home & Cremation Service is assisting the family. Elizabeth D. Stahl 87 passed away peacefully at home Wednesday, February 16, 2011, surrounded by her family. She was born July 25, 1923 at Rockyford, Alberta the daughter of David and Katrina (Walter) Hofer. She was united in marriage to Rev. David E. Stahl in 1946 at the wolf Creek Colony in Alberta. They moved to the Deerfield Colony near Lewistown in 1947 and raised their family of eight children. Her husband preceded her in death in 2008. Elizabeth served the colony in numerous ways; she was a hard worker making sure all her tasks were neatly and carefully done. Elizabeth, Grandma to all, tended the colony’s garden for 24 years and was very active all her life until her final months. Elizabeth was a very talented and kindhearted old fashioned grandma. She enjoyed spending many hours knitting, reading German books and never once skipped the daily newspaper. Grandma was a people person; her door was always open to family and friends. But most of all she loved the visits of her 28 grandchildren and later 46 great grandchildren. She had a great sense of humor and even in her final days she never ceased to make her loved ones laugh. Her patience and kindness was a shining light to her family and forever it will glow. Grandma will be greatly missed by her family and friends. Many “Thanks” go out to all who helped care for her. She is survived by her four sons David (Mary), Rev. Elias (Dora), Daniel (Matilda) and Edward (Josie) all of Deerfield Colony; two daughters Lydia (Leonard) Hofer of Granum, Alberta and Anna (Cash) Hofer of Ferintosh, Alberta. 28 grandchildren, 46 great grandchildren and numerous nieces, nephews, family members and friends. In addition to her husband she was preceded in death by two daughters Bertha and Lena, a special child they had for 30 years, her parents, two brothers and three sisters.

Hello; I'm looking for the ancestors of Katherine Margaret Zubicks born 10/23/1883 in Neu Laub Russia. She was married to Johann George Spomer born 8/27/1881 in Beideck Russia. Her mothers name was Maria Katherina Horn born in 1860 in Alt.Laub.I'm not to sure any more what her husband's name was. Maria's mothers name was Anna Maria Eberhart. She supposedly migrated to Canada sometime before 1913.If anyone has any information on these I would appreciate hearing from you. Regards Ralph Spomer

Schmunk, Peter, Jr. , June 18, 1941- Feb. 6, 2011 Scottsbluff Star Herald Scottsbluff, NE 17 Feb 2011 RITZVILLE, Wash. - Peter Schmunk, Jr., 69, died Sunday, Feb. 6, 2011, at the Life Care Center in Ritzville, Washington after suffering a stroke Dec. 31, 2010. Peter was born June 18, 1941, in Bayard, the third of seven children born to Mary and Pete Schmunk of Bayard. He and his family moved to eastern Washington in the 1960s where he farmed and worked until his retirement. Peter was a strong-willed person who loved to hunt and fish with his brothers, sons, nephews and friends. He worked hard and played hard. From early years Peter had a personality as big as a house; his heart was just as big. He was willing to help anyone without expecting pay back, a trait he inherited and learned from his dad and mother. Survivors include his sons and a daughter Gregory of Lind, Wash., and Wesley and Elizabeth of the Seattle area; grandchildren; sister and brother-in-laws; nieces and nephews. Survivors also include his sisters, Pat Mimms and Mary Looney of Colorado. Preceding him in death were his parents; sister, Olga Trupp; brothers, Jake, Wes and John; the mother of his children, Linda (Weisgerber) Schmunk and niece, Lou Ann Trupp.

Thank you for your requiest. I saw your email earlier about Schmidt, Schäfer, Heiss, Dening and Opholz and started working on it. I'll begin with Schmidt since you have a village for that family. I have the data from 1708 back to 1766 when the first settlers arrived from Germany to Russia. Schmidt is a very common name in the Volga area but only one Schmidt was found in Graf. Johann Adam Schmidt (born about 1741) was single when he arrived in Graf on 10 June 1766. He later married Dorothea Geigel (born 1750). In 1798 he is shown married to Dorothea and with two children, son Augustin (b.1779) and daughter Dorothea (b. 1786). Augustine (b.1779) could possibly be the father of your Johannes Schmidt (b.1817). You listed Saratov as the area for the other names, but Saratov is a District or State that compasses most of the 104 Volga Villages. Very few Germans were found in the city of Saratov. It is like trying to find someone in Sao Paulo, Brazil when they didn't live in the city of Sao Paulo. Since your Schmidt family was from Graf in the north east area if the Volga, it gave me a clue as to where to look for the others. I found Martin Dening (born about 1730), his wife Anna Maria Mauer (born 1729) and their son Johannes (b. 1764) arrived in Louis on 14 June 1766 from Bitsch, Lothringan, (Germany). Possibly due to the Kirghiz raids, they moved to Herzog, closer to protected villages, in 1788. The Kirghiz were nomadic mongol tribes that claimed the area where the new German Villages were being established. They would raid the village and kill many villagers. They would steal the animals and food and take captives to be sold in the eastern slave markets. In 1798, Martin Dening and family were still in Herzog. Martin listed his birth as 1721 instead of 1730, which is probably closer to the truth. He and his wife had three sons and three daughters. One daughter, Anna, was captured by the Kirghiz in 1786. The Heiso name shows up as Heinz in the Original Settlers List (OSL). Mattias Heinz (born 1752) is found with his mother Anna Katharina (born 1725) and his stepfather, arriving in Cheisol on 2 August 1766 from Trier. Cheisol (later called Chasselois) was completely destroyed by the Kirghiz in 1785 and never rebuilt. He shows up in Mariental in 1798 with his second wife Elisabetha Weber (b.1777) and a son Balthasar (1787) and daughter Maria (b.1784) that were children with his first wife. For the Opholz family, Michael Opholz (born 1724) and his wife Anna (born 1728) and their children, from Bitsch, Lothringin, arrived in Louis on 14 June 1766. The children were Heinrich (born 1752), Peter (born 1755), Mattias (born 1758) and Anna (born 1766). Louis was another village that the Kirghiz raided. The next records were in the movement tables where Peter Opholz (1755) and family moved from Louis to Mariental in 1788. Also, the widow of Heinrich Opholz (1752) and her family moved from Louis to Martiental in 1788. In 1798, Peter Opholz (1755) is shown with his family his wife Anna Maria Kiesel (born 1754 and their sons Peter (1783) and Johannes (1794 and four daughters. A second family in Mariental is the widow of Heinrich, Anna Maria Weber (1757) and her son Heinrich (1783) and two daughters. For the last name, Schäfer, I found Matthias Schäfer (1746) and his wife Anna Kraus (1738) arriving in Louis on 14 August 1766. They were still in Louis in 1798 where they had three sons, Nakolaus (1772), Peter (1775) and Martin (1778) and a daughter Anna (1780). There was a second Schäfer family in Louis that I am sure were related. There were two sons Nicholaus (born 1750) and Peter (1756) and daughter Barbara (1753). They, with their mother, Anna Margaretha (1733) and their stepfather, arrived in Louis on 14 June 1766. In 1788, Nikolaus (1750) and Peter (1756) and their families moved from Louis to Graf. There was a large exodus of 24 families from Louis in 1788, probably due to the Kirghiz raids. Later, in 1796, Peter Schäfer (1756) moved back to Louis. He is shown in 1798 Louis with his wife Margaretha Eckhardt (1777) and sons Andreas (1786), Johann (1798) and daughter Maria (1792). I know 1798 is too far back to make a connection with your families but you are in luck. Kevin Rupp at < [email protected] > has the 1834 and 1850 census records for all four villages, Graf, Herzog, Louis and Martiental and he has the 1895 census records for Graf and Mariental. This should connect you with all your families. Good luck to you and thanks again for writing Jerry Goertzen. (creating individual family sheets from the above information would be an excellent idea, therefore getting a better concise lineage picture of each one.)

Does anyone have the 1811 Norka census that they could check for my Albrecht relatives. Here is what I have so far.. George Albrecht born abt. 1811 and Elisabeth Giebelhaus born abt. 1812. I think they came from Isenburg, Hessen, Germany. Would appreciate any and all help on my geneaology quest. -- Cheers! *Debbie*

Bakker, Anna K., Jan. 11, 1917- Feb. 14, 2011 Billings Gazette Billings, MT 16 Feb 2011 • • PARK CITY — Anna K. Bakker, 94, passed away peacefully after a short illness on Monday morning, Feb. 14, 2011, at St. John's Lutheran Ministries in Billings. Anna was born Jan. 11, 1917, to Jacob and Katharine (Knaub) Kukes at Hesper. She was the oldest child in a family of nine. She was raised in the Laurel area and worked on family farms. On March 1, 1947, Anna was united in marriage to Peter Bakker. They began their married life in Billings. On Feb. 12, 1959, they moved to a farm east of Park City, where they worked to make a life together with their two daughters. Anna remained on the farm after Pete's death in 2006. Anna's life's work was taking care of her home and family. She was involved for many years in Jolly Neighbor's Home Extension Club and Unity Garden Club of Laurel. Anna enjoyed gardening, raising flowers, sewing, knitting, crocheting and reading. She spent many happy hours fishing and camping. She was a longtime member of Grace Bible Church. In the last few years, she enjoyed the company of her luncheon ladies. Anna is survived by her daughters, Dora (Nick) Badilla of Havre and Joan (Jerry) Fawcett of Billings; four grandchildren, Julie (Jeremy) Siemens of Havre, Tim (Danielle) Badilla of Austin, Texas, Susan (Daniel) Ryznar of Anchorage, Alaska, and Justin Fawcett of Billings; three beloved great-grandsons, Jackson and Noah Siemens and Nixon Badilla; four siblings, William (Jessie) Kukes of Laurel, Martha King of Laurel, Irene Michael of Park City and Herman (Carol) Kukes of Billings, as well as numerous nieces and nephews. Anna was preceded in death by her husband, Peter; her parents, brothers George and Donald, and sisters Marie and Rosalia. Anna was a loving wife, mother and grandmother. She lived her faith through her kindness and generosity to others. In loving memory, services will be held at 2 p.m. Friday, Feb. 18, at Smith Funeral Chapel-Laurel. Interment will be in the Laurel Cemetery. Visitation will be from 4 to 7 p.m. Thursday, Feb. 17, at Smith Funeral Chapel-Laurel. Memorials are suggested to Special K Ranch or charity of choice. Copyright 2011 The Billings Gazette. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

Gary In checking the 1857 Laub, Margaretha Ruddel was simple. The only Margaretha in that age range was Maria Margaretha born 1855. Her parents Nikolaus Ruddel (b. 1832) and wife Maria Justina Mörck (b. 1833) were living in the household of his brother Philipp (b. 1817). So I checked the 1850 Laub to find the full family. In family # 116, Johann Jost Ruddel (b. 1792) had just died (1850 ), the wife had already died, but sons Johann Philipp ( 1817 ), Johann Christoph ( 1824 ) and Georg Nikolaus ( 1832 ) were still there as well as daughter Maria Barbara ( 1828 ). The Jakobÿ is more complicated. The only Konrad I found in the age range was Konrad (b. 1849 ). In 1857, he was in the household of Johannes Jakobÿ ( 1791 ). Johannes' son Konrad ( 1823 ) was there too, with his wife Katharina Elisabeth Will ( 1822 ) and their children, but, the last grandchild was not Konrad's It was listed as the ollegitimate grandson by daughter Katharina Dorothea. She was not listed so I went to the 1850 Laub Census. Family # 9, is Johannes Jakobÿ ( 1791 ), his wife Maria Katharina ( 1793 ), son Johann Andreas ( 1823 ) and daughter Katharina Dorothea ( 1828 ) and her illegitimate son Johann Peter ( 1849 ). Nothing more is found about Dorothea, but Johann Andreas changed his name to Konrad and the illegitimate son's name was also changed to Konrad. So, the father of Konrad ( 1849 ) is not known. Happy Hunting ! Jerry Goertzen

Gary Martens; I have the Laub 1857 census that I preordered from Brent Mai. He always does an excellent translation and binding of his work and the price is always reasonable. What name are you searching? Jerry Goertzen.

Second email. Left off the 'a' on sheila in previous email, but have always included it on those being sent and refused. Goertzen

Sheila: Everytime we send an email to you (ref. 02-08-11) we receive the message back 'not our customer, bad destination mail box address. Please inform us of your correct email address. Thank you. Jerry Goertzen

Greeley Tribune Greeley, Colorado 02-12-2011 Helen I. Held Feb. 25, 1922-Feb. 9, 2011 Age: 88 Residence: Greeley Helen Irene Held was born Feb. 25, 1922, to Johnn George and Kathryn Elizabeth (Schuldies) Whittman, in Eaton, Colo. She attended school in Weld County and grew up in a farming environment. While she lived in various small towns on the plains of Colorado, her true interest and love was to be on a farm tending to plants and animals and enjoying the bounty they returned for her efforts. She was married to Elmer Green on Feb. 2, 1941, and traveled around the country with her husband when he was in the military service. Their marriage ended in the early 1960s and she moved to Greeley with her two sons. In Greeley, she met and fell in love with William Held Jr. They were married Jan. 1, 1965. During their years together, Helen and Bill traveled, camped, out-fished most other people and always enjoyed each other's company. They were active in the American Historical Society of Germans from Russia and attended many conventions in various cities in the United States and Canada. They traveled to tulip festivals, Hawaii and enjoyed visiting with their relatives. Helen retired from the University of Northern Colorado where she was in charge of food preparation in one of the dormitory dining halls. She always had a passion for cooking and enjoyed trying new recipes or creating her own. She and her sisters created some of the best holiday meals anyone can remember. They may have argued the entire time they were working, but the food was on the table at noon, and you had better not be late. Helen is survived by her husband, William Jr.; their oldest son, Edwin and his wife Linda Green; two granddaughters Amanda Marie and Elizabeth Irene Green; relatives, Alvina Whittman, Bob and Donna Deter, Betty Held, Donna Held, Pearl Held, Robert Parris, Bertha Traber, Helen Winter, Catherine and Carl Heimbuck, Evelyn Green and Lillian Allen. Helen was preceded in death by their son, Howard Green; her sister, Kathryn Krumm Lauridson and her husbands Phillip Krumm and Fred Lauridson; her sister, Marie Stencel and her husband John Stencel Jr.; her sister Lillian Schwartz Brinkman and her husbands David Schwartz and Adam Brinkman; her sister, Mollie Manweiler and her husband Harold Manweiler Sr.; her brother, (Johnn) George Whittman Jr. and his wife Ruth Whittman, and her brother Conrad Whitman; as well as other family members Robert Winte, Sr.; Henry Green Jr., William Green, Clifford Allen, Rueben Held, Robert Held Sr., Harold Held, Ronald Traber, Dorothy Parris and Jake and Lydia Stoll. Visitation will be held from 4-8 p.m. Monday, Feb. 14, at the Allnutt Macy Chapel. Services at 11 a.m. Tuesday, Feb. 15, at Our Savior's Lutheran Church. Interment at Sunset Memorial Gardens. Memorial gifts may be made to charity of choice in care of Allnutt, 702 13th St., Greeley, CO 80631. Friends may view the online obituary, sign the guest book & send condolences at www.allnutt.com.

Schneider, Willis Leroy, March 6, 1944- February 9, 2011 Billings Gazette Billings, MT 12 Feb 2011 ________________________________________ Willis Leroy Schneider, age 66, of Miles City passed away on Wednesday, February 9, 2011 at the Holy Rosary Hospital in Miles City. The oldest of eight children, Willie was born to Edwin and Esther (Bauer) Schneider in Mobridge, SD on March 6, 1944. His family moved to Miles City in 1954 where his father worked in the construction business. Willie proudly served in the United States Marine Corps from 1964 to 1968. He served with distinction in the Vietnam War and was a recipient of the Bronze Star. After receiving an honorary discharge from the military, he served 12 years with the National Guard. He attended schools in Mobridge and Miles City and graduated from MCC in 1976 with a mechanics degree, which he was very proud of. Following in his father’s footsteps, he was a member of the Local 400 and worked many years as a heavy equipment operator. Willie had a great love for the outdoors. He enjoyed the beauty of God's mountains and beautiful lakes and rivers, where he often hunted and fished with his wife, brothers, children, grandchildren and friends. Among his other interests were drawing, playing cards, shooting pool, western movies, remodeling homes and going out for coffee with his buddies but most of all he looked forward to family gatherings where he could enjoy the company of his children and watch his grandchildren play and grow. He was preceded in death by his parents, one brother, one sister and one son. Willie is survived by his wife Shelly Schneider of Miles City, MT; his sons: Brock "Boogie" Schneider of Miles City, MT, Doug (Sami) Schneider of Hettinger, ND, Robert Schneider of Miles City, MT and Willis Schneider of Miles City, MT; his daughter Jenny (Arik) Olson of Miles City, MT; his brothers: Ronald (Samantha) Schneider of Miles City, MT, Michael (Carol) Schneider of Miles City, MT, Greg (Beth) Schneider of Miles City, MT; his sisters: Dolly Schneider of Miles City, MT and Starla Williams of Miles City, MT; his grandchildren: Danielle (Aaron) Eustice, Jordan and Wyatt of Miles City, MT, Brittany and Colten of Fairview, MT, Casey of Grainfield, KS, D.J. of Jordan, MT and Keagan of Hettinger, ND; one great grandchild Brody of Miles City, MT, 7 nieces and nephews and one great nephew. Visitation will be held on Tuesday, February 15, 2011 at Stevenson & Sons Funeral Home from 1:00 p.m. to 6:00 p.m. with family receiving friends from 4:00 p.m. to 6:00 p.m. Funeral Services will be held on Wednesday, February 16, 2011 at 11:00 a.m. at Stevenson & Sons Funeral Home in Miles City. Interment will follow in the Eastern Montana State Veteran's Cemetery with full military honors provided by VFW Post #1579. Stevenson & Sons Funeral Home of Miles City is in charge of the arrangements. Condolences may be sent to the family by visiting: www.stevensonandsons.com.

this should read > I can just repeat what I wrote a month ago: these people are from > Kanowo in Caucasus and not from Kaneau Gvt. SAMARA Caucasus' Kanowo is very well represented here: http://forum.wolgadeutsche.net/viewtopic.php?f=270&t=511 There you will find how to engage with the Republic of Alania State Archive in Vladikavkaz, all the relevant source info including the call numbers you would need to access it. Be sure to use Google's translation feature or use Chrom web browser for inline instant translation, as all this info is in Russian. Also you can post to the forum in German, the moderator (heiner) is VERY familiar with anything German in Caucasus. best regards, -- Sergej Kindsvater On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 3:33 PM, sergej kindsvater <[email protected]> wrote: > I can just repeat what I wrote a month ago: these people are from > Kanowo in Caucasus and not from Kaneau Gvt. Saratov. > > regards > -- > Sergej Kindsvater > > > > On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 9:00 AM,  <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 05:09:20 +0000 >> From: Brent Mai <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [GV] Kindsvater of Dietel >> To: Gary Martens <[email protected]>, GER-VOLGA >>        <[email protected]> >> Message-ID: >>        <[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> David: I don't have specifics that verify this, but my best guess is that Kindsvaters in Kana would have come from the group in Wiesenmueller.  While they were not "original settlers" in Wiesenmueller, there were a number of Kindsvater families that did settle there (see http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~jeruslannachrichten/WMap.htm). >> >> Sergej Kindsvater is the king of Kindsvater info, however, so go with whatever he's uncovered as better than what I might surmise. >> >> Happy hunting!! >> ..............Brent............... >> Brent Mai >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Gary Martens >> Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 7:48 PM >> To: GER-VOLGA >> Subject: Re: [GV] Kindsvater of Dietel >> >> David: >> >> Looking back at your original message about the Kindsvater family, and >> how they may have been in the village of Kana, I looked at the villages >> surrounding Kana to see if your ancestors got there by marriage.  The >> villages near Kana in Samara Province are Morgentau, Blumenfeld, >> Gnadentau, Friedenberg and Wiesenmiller.  You can look at the list of >> villages were the original settlers came from that settled these >> daughter colonies here:  http://cvgs.cu-portland.edu/gazetteer.cfm >> >> The village founded with people from Dietel was Gnadentau, but the >> census showing the original people shows one family from Dietel, surname >> Grauberger.  In research on the villages that I'm the village research >> coordinator for, I've found that people often didn't move to a daughter >> colony for up to 5 years or more after the village was founded. >> >> Note that most of the people founding Morgentau, Blumfeld, Gnadentau, >> Friedenberg and Wiesenmiller came from Galka, Shcherbakovka, Kraft, >> Stephan, Schwab, Holstein, Driespitz, Mueller and several other >> villages.  Kana was founded by people from Shcherbakovka, Schwab, >> Dreispitz, Holstein, Dobrinka, and Moor. >> >> Kautz and Kratzske were in the Frank District in Saratov Province, >> within 5-10 kilometers of Dietel, the original village were Kindsvater >> people settled, and most likely ended up in those villages because a >> Kindsvater man from Dietel married a women from those villages, and >> stayed there with her family.  Note that no people from these villages >> founded the villages around Kana, although they could have moved there >> later. >> >> A list of original settlers of Kana is here: >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~jeruslannachrichten/KOrigSettlers.htm >> >> Michael Frank, the VC for Kautz should be able to give you more >> information on the Kindsvater people in that village. >> >> Prof. Brent Mai, VC for Kratzke has a website for that village here: >> http://www.berschauer.com/Genealogy/index2.html >> >> The Kindsvater surname shows up in the 1834 census of Kratzke, and Brent >> Mai may be able to give you some additional information on the families >> connection to Dietel.  There was no Kindsvater in the 1798 census of the >> village. >> >> Gary Martens >> Dobrinka, Galka, Neu-Weimar & Schilling villages VC >> >> >> On 2/8/2011 8:17 PM, Jerry and Fran Goertzen wrote: >>> I'm having a problem downloading your GEDCOM, I often do.  Could you just send the names, dtes and places of those born in Russia? >>> A death certificate for your grandfather should give his birth date and place and his parent's names. >>> That would be in Hidalgo, TX archives or wherever he died.  Try    www.co.hidalgo.Tx.us >>> The State archives may have in their records.  The death records go back to 1903.  Naturalization papers for your grandfather might also help. >>> The passenger lists I checked had many Kindsvater of various spellings but most were headed for Kansas, Oklahoma or Nebraska. >>> I checked the 1798 Dietel census and there were five Kindsvater families all sons of Hartman Kindsvater.  The family heads were Daniel (b 1748), Werner (b.1761), Peter (b.1771), Philipp (b 1772), and Georg (b. 1775). >>> Your Daniel (1852) should show up in the Dietel 1857 census but there was no Daniel anywhere near that age.  I did find in 1857 there were Kindsvater families in Kautz and Kratzske, two neighboring villages of Dietel.  I don't have those census records they are available from Prof Brent Mai<  [email protected]u-portland.edu >>> There is also a Kindsvater Family Chart for Dietel (by Igor Pleve) available from AHSGR Headquarters in Lincoln, Neb<  www.ahsgr.org>  . >>> It is possible that your Kindsvater moved to Kana after the 1857 census.  In that case, they would show up in Kautz or Kratske in 1857. >>> Once you get back to Germany, you can go to Prof Brent Mai German Volga Studies website<  http://cvgs.cu-portland.edu>  and go to Sergej Kindsvater Family Tree.  He has researched German parish records and found the Kindsvater back to the 1500s. >>> First lets see if we can connect your people back to Russia through US records on file.       Happy hunting        Jerry Goertzen >>> >

I can just repeat what I wrote a month ago: these people are from Kanowo in Caucasus and not from Kaneau Gvt. Saratov. regards -- Sergej Kindsvater On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 9:00 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 05:09:20 +0000 > From: Brent Mai <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [GV] Kindsvater of Dietel > To: Gary Martens <[email protected]>, GER-VOLGA >        <[email protected]> > Message-ID: >        <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > David: I don't have specifics that verify this, but my best guess is that Kindsvaters in Kana would have come from the group in Wiesenmueller.  While they were not "original settlers" in Wiesenmueller, there were a number of Kindsvater families that did settle there (see http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~jeruslannachrichten/WMap.htm). > > Sergej Kindsvater is the king of Kindsvater info, however, so go with whatever he's uncovered as better than what I might surmise. > > Happy hunting!! > ..............Brent............... > Brent Mai > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Gary Martens > Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 7:48 PM > To: GER-VOLGA > Subject: Re: [GV] Kindsvater of Dietel > > David: > > Looking back at your original message about the Kindsvater family, and > how they may have been in the village of Kana, I looked at the villages > surrounding Kana to see if your ancestors got there by marriage.  The > villages near Kana in Samara Province are Morgentau, Blumenfeld, > Gnadentau, Friedenberg and Wiesenmiller.  You can look at the list of > villages were the original settlers came from that settled these > daughter colonies here:  http://cvgs.cu-portland.edu/gazetteer.cfm > > The village founded with people from Dietel was Gnadentau, but the > census showing the original people shows one family from Dietel, surname > Grauberger.  In research on the villages that I'm the village research > coordinator for, I've found that people often didn't move to a daughter > colony for up to 5 years or more after the village was founded. > > Note that most of the people founding Morgentau, Blumfeld, Gnadentau, > Friedenberg and Wiesenmiller came from Galka, Shcherbakovka, Kraft, > Stephan, Schwab, Holstein, Driespitz, Mueller and several other > villages.  Kana was founded by people from Shcherbakovka, Schwab, > Dreispitz, Holstein, Dobrinka, and Moor. > > Kautz and Kratzske were in the Frank District in Saratov Province, > within 5-10 kilometers of Dietel, the original village were Kindsvater > people settled, and most likely ended up in those villages because a > Kindsvater man from Dietel married a women from those villages, and > stayed there with her family.  Note that no people from these villages > founded the villages around Kana, although they could have moved there > later. > > A list of original settlers of Kana is here: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~jeruslannachrichten/KOrigSettlers.htm > > Michael Frank, the VC for Kautz should be able to give you more > information on the Kindsvater people in that village. > > Prof. Brent Mai, VC for Kratzke has a website for that village here: > http://www.berschauer.com/Genealogy/index2.html > > The Kindsvater surname shows up in the 1834 census of Kratzke, and Brent > Mai may be able to give you some additional information on the families > connection to Dietel.  There was no Kindsvater in the 1798 census of the > village. > > Gary Martens > Dobrinka, Galka, Neu-Weimar & Schilling villages VC > > > On 2/8/2011 8:17 PM, Jerry and Fran Goertzen wrote: >> I'm having a problem downloading your GEDCOM, I often do.  Could you just send the names, dtes and places of those born in Russia? >> A death certificate for your grandfather should give his birth date and place and his parent's names. >> That would be in Hidalgo, TX archives or wherever he died.  Try    www.co.hidalgo.Tx.us >> The State archives may have in their records.  The death records go back to 1903.  Naturalization papers for your grandfather might also help. >> The passenger lists I checked had many Kindsvater of various spellings but most were headed for Kansas, Oklahoma or Nebraska. >> I checked the 1798 Dietel census and there were five Kindsvater families all sons of Hartman Kindsvater.  The family heads were Daniel (b 1748), Werner (b.1761), Peter (b.1771), Philipp (b 1772), and Georg (b. 1775). >> Your Daniel (1852) should show up in the Dietel 1857 census but there was no Daniel anywhere near that age.  I did find in 1857 there were Kindsvater families in Kautz and Kratzske, two neighboring villages of Dietel.  I don't have those census records they are available from Prof Brent Mai<  [email protected] >> There is also a Kindsvater Family Chart for Dietel (by Igor Pleve) available from AHSGR Headquarters in Lincoln, Neb<  www.ahsgr.org>  . >> It is possible that your Kindsvater moved to Kana after the 1857 census.  In that case, they would show up in Kautz or Kratske in 1857. >> Once you get back to Germany, you can go to Prof Brent Mai German Volga Studies website<  http://cvgs.cu-portland.edu>  and go to Sergej Kindsvater Family Tree.  He has researched German parish records and found the Kindsvater back to the 1500s. >> First lets see if we can connect your people back to Russia through US records on file.       Happy hunting        Jerry Goertzen >>

Looking for someone with the 1857 ceneus of Laub that can do a lookup for one family. Gary Martens Dobrinka, Galka, Neu-Weimar & Schilling villages VC

Felde, Robert Arno Henry, Sept. 3, 1939- Feb. 3, 2011 The Wyoming Tribune-Eagle Cheyenne, WY 11 Feb 2011 Robert Arno Henry Felde, 71, of Greeley, Colo., died Feb. 3 at the VA Medical Center in Cheyenne. Mr. Felde was born Sept. 3, 1939, in Sheboygan, Wis., a son of the late Fred and Ruth (Mundt) Felde. A Purple Heart recipient, he was a combat veteran serving two tours of duty for the U.S. Army during the Vietnam War. He retired as the chief warrant officer two after 24 years of honorable service. During his service in Vietnam, he was exposed to Agent Orange and because of this exposure and effects it had on his health, he became an advocate for those combat veterans who returned home from active duty. He was actively involved in the Wounded Warrior Program and volunteered to drive veterans from Greeley to the VA Medical Center in Cheyenne. He also supported the local VFW and served as a member of the Honor Guard. He enjoyed spending time in the outdoors hunting and fishing. Robert is survived by his wife, Carol (Schuette) Felde of Greeley; four children, Bruce Ronald Felde of Morgantown, W.V., Keith William Felde of Stephens City, Va., Glen Thomas Felde of Fort Leonardwood, Mo., and Deanna L. Felde of Greeley; seven grandchildren; and two sisters, Suzanne Fenn of Howards Grove, Wis., and Shirley Aschenbach of Minnesota. He was preceded in death by his parents; and a brother, William Felde. A private interment service with military honors will be held at a later date. Condolences may be offered to the family online by going to www.schraderfuneral.com. Funeral arrangements are under the direction of Schrader Funeral Home, Cheyenne.