Ralph: Not just "these areas were not considered part of the U. S." but the U.S. had treaties with the Creeks, and per the Treaty of Washington (1805), the U.S. paid the Creeks $12,000 annually for eight years and $11,000 for the subsequent ten years for permitting travel between the Ocmulgee River and Mobile. The Creeks were also responsible for maintaining ferries and "houses of entertainment" for travelers as part of the treaty. Somewhere I have a copy of a passport, authorizing one of my ancestors to go into what is now Alabama with a party to trade with the indians. The passport was signed at West Point by no less than Gen Winfield Scott. (Took me forever to figure out that the reference was not to West Point, NY. I'm kinda dense at times!) Anyway, they were herding pigs, of all things! Like others have mentioned, there are several interesting books on the subject; I found "The Federal Road, through Georgia, the Creek Nation, and Alabama, 1806-1836" by Southerland and Brown to sort of put things in perspective for me. BTW, if you're familiar with the old saying "The good Lord willing and the creeks don't rise...", the reference is not about high water, but the Creeks rising on the warpath. Happy hunting, JIM MOORE ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ralph Bailey" <ralph-dianne@charter.net> To: <GEORGIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 11:09 AM Subject: Re: [GEORGIA] PASSPORTS 1801-2-3 > This the first time I have heard about states issuing passports for visits > to the frontier. I presume this was done because these areas were not > considered part of the U. S. > > Can you give us more information about this? Were the passports issued by > courts, the post office, judicial officers, etc., and where were they kept > then and now? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Pollywog1930@aol.com> > To: <GEORGIA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 12:23 PM > Subject: [GEORGIA] PASSPORTS 1801-2-3 > > > > Looking for passports issued by GA in 1801-2-3 to Middleton's, Ford's, > May's, > > Herring's, Mayfield's and Munday's. They were going to Mississippi > > Territory, Natchez area. Would appreciate if someone could look this up > for me. > > Thanks. > > > > Pauline in AZ > > > > > > ==== GEORGIA Mailing List ==== > > If you wish to unsubscribe from the Georgia list, send only the word > > UNSUBSCRIBE to GEORGIA-l-request@rootsweb.com or if you are on the Digest > > List to GEORGIA-d-request@rootsweb.com > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > ==== GEORGIA Mailing List ==== > NOTICE: Posting of virus warnings, test messages, chain letters, political > announcements, current events, items for sale, personal messages, flames, > etc. (in other words - spam) is NOT ALLOWED and will be grounds for removal. > Consideration for exceptions, contact Kathleen Burnett kathleenburnett@earthlink.net > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >
Jim, Thanks for the info. Did a Google search and was surprised at the number of hits I got. As much genealogical research as I do I was just surprised that this had never come up. Have located the RootsWeb site listing people to whom passports were issued and found none of my relatives, so I am no longer interested. Your info about the "Creeks don't rise" was also new to me and thanks for that as well. Ralph ----- Original Message ----- From: "JIM MOORE" <jasmoore@erols.com> To: <GEORGIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 3:25 PM Subject: Re: [GEORGIA] PASSPORTS 1801-2-3 > Ralph: > Not just "these areas were not considered part of the U. S." but the > U.S. had treaties with the Creeks, and per the Treaty of Washington (1805), > the U.S. paid the Creeks $12,000 annually for eight years and $11,000 for > the subsequent ten years for permitting travel between the Ocmulgee River > and Mobile. The Creeks were also responsible for maintaining ferries and > "houses of entertainment" for travelers as part of the treaty. > Somewhere I have a copy of a passport, authorizing one of my ancestors > to go into what is now Alabama with a party to trade with the indians. The > passport was signed at West Point by no less than Gen Winfield Scott. > (Took me forever to figure out that the reference was not to West Point, NY. > I'm kinda dense at times!) Anyway, they were herding pigs, of all things! > Like others have mentioned, there are several interesting books on the > subject; I found "The Federal Road, through Georgia, the Creek Nation, and > Alabama, 1806-1836" by Southerland and Brown to sort of put things in > perspective for me. > BTW, if you're familiar with the old saying "The good Lord willing and > the creeks don't rise...", the reference is not about high water, but the > Creeks rising > on the warpath. > Happy hunting, > JIM MOORE > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ralph Bailey" <ralph-dianne@charter.net> > To: <GEORGIA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 11:09 AM > Subject: Re: [GEORGIA] PASSPORTS 1801-2-3 > > > > This the first time I have heard about states issuing passports for visits > > to the frontier. I presume this was done because these areas were not > > considered part of the U. S. > > > > Can you give us more information about this? Were the passports issued by > > courts, the post office, judicial officers, etc., and where were they kept > > then and now? > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <Pollywog1930@aol.com> > > To: <GEORGIA-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 12:23 PM > > Subject: [GEORGIA] PASSPORTS 1801-2-3 > > > > > > > Looking for passports issued by GA in 1801-2-3 to Middleton's, Ford's, > > May's, > > > Herring's, Mayfield's and Munday's. They were going to Mississippi > > > Territory, Natchez area. Would appreciate if someone could look this up > > for me. > > > Thanks. > > > > > > Pauline in AZ > > > > > > > > > ==== GEORGIA Mailing List ==== > > > If you wish to unsubscribe from the Georgia list, send only the word > > > UNSUBSCRIBE to GEORGIA-l-request@rootsweb.com or if you are on the > Digest > > > List to GEORGIA-d-request@rootsweb.com > > > > > > ============================== > > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== GEORGIA Mailing List ==== > > NOTICE: Posting of virus warnings, test messages, chain letters, > political > > announcements, current events, items for sale, personal messages, flames, > > etc. (in other words - spam) is NOT ALLOWED and will be grounds for > removal. > > Consideration for exceptions, contact Kathleen Burnett > kathleenburnett@earthlink.net > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > ==== GEORGIA Mailing List ==== > NOTICE: Posting of virus warnings, test messages, chain letters, political > announcements, current events, items for sale, personal messages, flames, > etc. (in other words - spam) is NOT ALLOWED and will be grounds for removal. > Consideration for exceptions, contact Kathleen Burnett kathleenburnett@earthlink.net > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >
FYI - You most likely know all of this!. Val ----- Original Message ----- From: "JIM MOORE" <jasmoore@erols.com> To: <GEORGIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 3:25 PM Subject: Re: [GEORGIA] PASSPORTS 1801-2-3 > Ralph: > Not just "these areas were not considered part of the U. S." but the > U.S. had treaties with the Creeks, and per the Treaty of Washington (1805), > the U.S. paid the Creeks $12,000 annually for eight years and $11,000 for > the subsequent ten years for permitting travel between the Ocmulgee River > and Mobile. The Creeks were also responsible for maintaining ferries and > "houses of entertainment" for travelers as part of the treaty. > Somewhere I have a copy of a passport, authorizing one of my ancestors > to go into what is now Alabama with a party to trade with the indians. The > passport was signed at West Point by no less than Gen Winfield Scott. > (Took me forever to figure out that the reference was not to West Point, NY. > I'm kinda dense at times!) Anyway, they were herding pigs, of all things! > Like others have mentioned, there are several interesting books on the > subject; I found "The Federal Road, through Georgia, the Creek Nation, and > Alabama, 1806-1836" by Southerland and Brown to sort of put things in > perspective for me. > BTW, if you're familiar with the old saying "The good Lord willing and > the creeks don't rise...", the reference is not about high water, but the > Creeks rising > on the warpath. > Happy hunting, > JIM MOORE > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ralph Bailey" <ralph-dianne@charter.net> > To: <GEORGIA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 11:09 AM > Subject: Re: [GEORGIA] PASSPORTS 1801-2-3 > > > > This the first time I have heard about states issuing passports for visits > > to the frontier. I presume this was done because these areas were not > > considered part of the U. S. > > > > Can you give us more information about this? Were the passports issued by > > courts, the post office, judicial officers, etc., and where were they kept > > then and now? > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <Pollywog1930@aol.com> > > To: <GEORGIA-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 12:23 PM > > Subject: [GEORGIA] PASSPORTS 1801-2-3 > > > > > > > Looking for passports issued by GA in 1801-2-3 to Middleton's, Ford's, > > May's, > > > Herring's, Mayfield's and Munday's. They were going to Mississippi > > > Territory, Natchez area. Would appreciate if someone could look this up > > for me. > > > Thanks. > > > > > > Pauline in AZ > > > > > > > > > ==== GEORGIA Mailing List ==== > > > If you wish to unsubscribe from the Georgia list, send only the word > > > UNSUBSCRIBE to GEORGIA-l-request@rootsweb.com or if you are on the > Digest > > > List to GEORGIA-d-request@rootsweb.com > > > > > > ============================== > > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== GEORGIA Mailing List ==== > > NOTICE: Posting of virus warnings, test messages, chain letters, > political > > announcements, current events, items for sale, personal messages, flames, > > etc. (in other words - spam) is NOT ALLOWED and will be grounds for > removal. > > Consideration for exceptions, contact Kathleen Burnett > kathleenburnett@earthlink.net > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > ==== GEORGIA Mailing List ==== > NOTICE: Posting of virus warnings, test messages, chain letters, political > announcements, current events, items for sale, personal messages, flames, > etc. (in other words - spam) is NOT ALLOWED and will be grounds for removal. > Consideration for exceptions, contact Kathleen Burnett kathleenburnett@earthlink.net > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >