21JAN08 GREETINGS to One & all; Is there a Kind soul out there who can help an old War Horse, in a time of need??? Our Dear MOTHER- *RUBY FRANCES (MONTGOMERY)-AYERS* has recently passed on into GLORY-[29DEC07], in her Nineth Year!!! Born -(1918), in "GORDO/ PICKENS[Tuscaloosa],AL" to *NAOMIE (HINTON)-MONTGOMERY & HOMER MONTGOMERY*!!! We have been trying to get a "BIRTH RECORD", with negative results thus far, When we made contact with "PICKENS COUNTY, AL", we were told they could find "NO RECORD on their Computer", [This Cost $39.00]-that we would have to send a payment of just over $100.00, for each record search, to have someone Search thru the---"Old Paper Files"---, and there was NO REFUND, if they could not find it!--[We think they have Farmed out Research Duties??] We have made contact [twice] with the "SOCIAL SECURITY OFFICE", in an effort to get a-"BIRTH RECORD"-; we were finally told that the--"BIRTH CERTIFICATE"--, "Which We PROVIDED to them back in-(1981) - has been purged, and/or destroyed, that all they have is the "CODE" verifying that they had seen a Certified Copy of the BIRTH CERTIFICATE!!! They would NOT give us any Intel from her file out side of [name/rank/serial#], Maiden Name/Married Name---Place of Birth,D.O.B.---, they would Not even verify any Intel that we gave them! Nothing on Marriage Place, or Date, Nothing on Where they Lived over the years-[way back then], Nothing on when they Divorced, Nothing on her Parents, etc!!!! We are facing a "Big Delima", We are the sole Surviving child, and we were told to Provide SOCIAL SECURITY a CERTIFIED COPY OF BIRTH RECORD-AGAIN" in order for them to Disburse her last "S.S.CHECK" to us??? ******FYI--to those who DID NOT KNOW--The so called-"$255.00-DEATH/BURIAL BENEFIT" is NO MORE!!! Per the "Lady @ S.S."---Apparently under PRES.BILL CLENTON-[early-1990's], This Benefit was reduced to only Surviving Spouse, or H/C Minor Child!!!!!!!!!!! If anyone has Connections, and/ or Sources to acquire a Birth Record, it would be greatly appreciated!! THANKS & GOD BLESS SEMPER FI BA- In North GA!! Looking for-"HINTON/ MONTGOMERY/ AYERS/ BROWN/ CLEMENTS/FOSTER", amongst others-(GEORGIA to Tuscaloosa, AL.areas-circa-1820)!!! -----Original Message----- From: roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of roots-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 5:57 PM To: roots@rootsweb.com Subject: ROOTS Digest, Vol 3, Issue 54 If you respond to this digest, please replace the subject line of your response (so it doesn't read "Re: ROOTS-L Digest") and please do NOT quote the digest ... a few lines from the message to which you are responding or (better still) a brief summary of that message will do. Thanks! MailMan (our current software) supports two digest formats. One (what you're probably reading) is plain. The other is called "MIME", and may appear as if each message is an attachment. It doesn't work for AOL. If you want to try the other digest format, drop a note to ROOTS-admin@rootsweb.com and ask me to "toggle the digest format." If you want to receive each message separately, as soon as it's sent, drop a note to the same addess and ask for mail mode. EDIT ) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 11:47:53 -0500 From: "maryd428" <maryd428@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [ROOTS-L] wrong data To: <barbragucci@juno.com>, <ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <000701c85928$b458edf0$0201a8c0@maryd> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original My original birth certificate had my last name spelled wrong, but my parents last names were both spelled correctly. All it takes is an idiot filling out the form to get everything wrong. Back around the turn of the last century, it was common for the births to be recorded late because the doctors that attended the births didn't have the means to get around like they do today and going to the courthouse to record them was a special trip which they did not do every day. And the births were for the most part, in people's homes instead of in the hospital. My dad was born at home and that was in 1929. > > My children's 97 year old great-grandmother recently went into a nursing > home and her children had to find a copy of her birth certificate, she > didn't have one at home so they had to send for one, but nobody could find > it. She was born Nov. 25, 1910. They finally found it and it said she was > born Nov. 30, 1910. Not only that but her maiden name was Campieri and the > birth certificate said it was Cambi, and it gave a middle initial of S., > and she doesn't have a middle name. We don't know what to think. If it > weren't for her father's first name and her mother's first and maiden name > being correct, we would think the birth certificate wasn't hers. ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 12:33:21 EST From: Ema609@aol.com Subject: [ROOTS-L] wrong data To: roots@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <d50.1f20600a.34c0eb61@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" maybe her parents couldn't spell. Maybe she was born on the 25th but it wasn't regerstered until the 30. Just maybe a lot till you figure it out. a cousin gave me 2 documents not knowing what they were there names weren't in the family. I bought a polish dictionary and figured it out what I could and then I stare into space for awhile that seems to help me see things. It was 2 birthcerticates with the same midwife obviously related I called another cousin and said I have his parents birth certificates except the first and last names are different and they were born at different dates. That brought on mighty laughter the funniest thing is I was right on target they were first cousins . Ema My children's 97 year old great-grandmother recently went into a nursing home and her children had to find a copy of her birth certificate, she didn't have one at home so they had to send for one, but nobody could find it. She was born Nov. 25, 1910. They finally found it and it said she was born Nov. 30, 1910. Not only that but her maiden name was Campieri and the birth certificate said it was Cambi, and it gave a middle initial of S., and she doesn't have a middle name. We don't know what to think. If it weren't for her father's first name and her mother's first and maiden name being correct, we would think the birth certificate wasn't hers. _barbragucci@juno.com_ (mailto:barbragucci@juno.com) ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 12:38:39 EST From: JYoung6180@aol.com Subject: Re: [ROOTS-L] wrong data To: roots@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <c57.246ff268.34c0ec9f@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" There are several possibilities here. 1) the certificate may NOT be for their great-grandmother's. The similarities could be a coincidence. 2) the copy of the certificate may have typos and misspellings because the typist copied the information from the original incorrectly--maybe because of poor handwriting on the original 3) the person who supplied the information for the original (probably the doctor) may not have known the correct spelling and may have misspelled it or had very poor writing. 4) the certificate could be correct and the 97 year old may not be remembering the correct information or may never have been told the correct info by her parents. She could have dropped the initial S. and never used it and her family members may have never known about the initial. Joan ------------ My children's 97 year old great-grandmother recently went into a nursing home and her children had to find a copy of her birth certificate, she didn't have one at home so they had to send for one, but nobody could find it. She was born Nov. 25, 1910. They finally found it and it said she was born Nov. 30, 1910. Not only that but her maiden name was Campieri and the birth certificate said it was Cambi, and it gave a middle initial of S., and she doesn't have a middle name. We don't know what to think. If it weren't for her father's first name and her mother's first and maiden name being correct, we would think the birth certificate wasn't hers. **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 12:48:42 -0500 From: "caviness" <caviness@yadtel.net> Subject: Re: [ROOTS-L] wrong data To: <Ema609@aol.com>, <roots@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <002001c85931$3675f9b0$0a01a8c0@home2e72c04114> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Some folks just should not do genealogy.I have this one fellow ,who has my ancestor married to his ancestor (instead of mine) , and no matter how many times one tells him , no matter how many times you give him examples of records that show her married to my ancestor ,records that cover times when he says she was married to his ancestor .Records where she is clearly married to my ancestor . He continues to place her as his ancestor even though if one does the math she was 11 years old when he has her marring his ancestor . Then when it is pointed out that will of her father clearly list her as the wife of my ancestor .He attempts to develops a second marriage for her with my ancestor . To make the facts fit .The man can not tell me how he ever arrived at the fact she was married to his ancestor just says they were neighbors ,and he has always believed this was passed down . To make matters worse snooping around on ancestory . This man now has my ancestor not married at all to my ancestor but to a cousin member with the same name .Of course one can't tell him anything . .I was pleasantly surprised by one researcher who had done an amazing job on my families (and hers )genealogy . Thanks Deb Patricia Perkins ----- Original Message ----- From: <Ema609@aol.com> To: <roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: 2008-01-17 07:39 Subject: [ROOTS-L] wrong data > > > once I found a name of a relative so I called up the > cousin in law. To make a long story short. the person > in question had a different profession wife and town > then my 3rd cousins husband. etc etc > She said its a diff person. > I said if he was married once why not twice etc > It turned out to be the same person. > Some times you have to break brick walls lol > Its like I told her > How many John Smiths could there be > LoooooooooooL > Ema > > > > ----------------------------- Message: 5 Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 10:20:50 -0800 (PST) From: Carol Hertensteiner <gennut62@yahoo.com> Subject: [ROOTS-L] Genealogy Computer Workshop in St. Charles, Missouri To: ROOTS@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <91874.45915.qm@web61020.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 12 April 2008 Held at St. Charles Community College, St. Peters, MO Co-sponsored by the St. Charles County Genealogical Society and St. Charles Community College Presenter: Michael John Neill, columnist for Ancestry.com. Michael has led research trips to Ft. Wayne and Salt Lake City and lectures nationally on a wide variety of genealogy topics During the workshop, you will discover original records on FOOTNOTE.COM and how to access them. Each person will have a computer and free access during the workshop. Registration Fees: SCCGS Member, SCC students, faculty, staff: $30. General Public: $40. For more information: http://www.rootdig.com/stchas2008.htm Questions? Email Michael John Neill at mjnrootdig@gmail.com or Jo Schnare wschnare@mail.win.org ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 10:23:01 -0800 From: "Bob" <genealogy-0kj3rwi@listemail.net> Subject: Re: [ROOTS-L] Family History To: roots@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <200801171823.m0HIN16n030633@mail.rootsweb.com> ** Reply to message from JYoung6180@aol.com on Thu, 17 Jan 2008 01:01:26 -0700 > Well, Robert....in THAT case I KNOW for fact you were never told what you > claim you were about your WorldConnect tree...because WorldConnect doesn't work > that way and never did. You may THINK that is what you were told but you > obviously misunderstood what was being said/written. I was on RootsWeb staff at > that time and was one of the original testers before WorldConnect went public > and there was NEVER a time when you couldn't completely control your tree > data. I did not say I did not have complete control at Rootsweb before Ancestry took over. I have been saying (many times because you have not been paying attention) that after Ancestry took over they changed the rules and I could not delete all of my data. Robert Blair ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 12:40:05 -0600 From: "juanita" <juanita2@cox.net> Subject: [ROOTS-L] The Christian Union To: <ROOTS@rootsweb.com>, "Freeman" <freemanfive@frontiernet.net> Message-ID: <478F4CA5.15894.2B3E54F1@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII What part of the country is this newspaper from? Perhaps it's a church denominational publication. I found some good information from a church paper in Kentucky that included the death of a person I'd been looking for in Iowa. Her spouse had moved to Iowa and sent a notice of her death back to a church paper published in Kentucky where they'd lived prior to moving to Iowa. This was in the 1880's as I recall. I found this particular paper in a small town library. juanita > > Has anyone heard of "The Christian Union" newspaper? I have two, one > is dated November 12, 1870 and the other is dated December 24, 1870. > Both are just as white and readable as the newspaper I received this > morning. I have tried researching online for this newspaper and have > turned up nothing. > > Thank you, > > Kim Freeman ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 15:21:59 -0500 From: Elizabeth Cunningham <drybones@netreach.net> Subject: Re: [ROOTS-L] wrong data To: roots@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <478FB8E7.5040102@netreach.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I found my father's half sister Fannie, daughter of Frank Kuettel and Wilhelmina Stroebel Kuettel, listed as Vennie Kiddle, daughter of Fannie and Wilhelmina Kiddle. My grandmother never spoke English well, and to guess from a name, the midwife was Czech, and I am not sure of her English either. Elizabeth C JYoung6180@aol.com wrote: >There are several possibilities here. > >1) the certificate may NOT be for their great-grandmother's. The >similarities could be a coincidence. >2) the copy of the certificate may have typos and misspellings because the >typist copied the information from the original incorrectly--maybe because of >poor handwriting on the original >3) the person who supplied the information for the original (probably the >doctor) may not have known the correct spelling and may have misspelled it or >had very poor writing. >4) the certificate could be correct and the 97 year old may not be >remembering the correct information or may never have been told the correct info by >her parents. She could have dropped the initial S. and never used it and her >family members may have never known about the initial. > >Joan >------------ >My children's 97 year old great-grandmother recently went into a nursing >home and her children had to find a copy of her birth certificate, she didn't >have one at home so they had to send for one, but nobody could find it. She was >born Nov. 25, 1910. They finally found it and it said she was born Nov. 30, >1910. Not only that but her maiden name was Campieri and the birth certificate > said it was Cambi, and it gave a middle initial of S., and she doesn't have >a middle name. We don't know what to think. If it weren't for her father's >first name and her mother's first and maiden name being correct, we would think >the birth certificate wasn't hers. -------------------------- Message: 9 Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 14:56:54 -0500 From: "Joan Parker" <joanparker@intergate.com> Subject: Re: [ROOTS-L] wrong data To: "maryd428" <maryd428@earthlink.net>, <barbragucci@juno.com>, <ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <016c01c85946$c0b0e3a0$038c94ce@acer2e68c49b20> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Happened to me too and I was born in a hospital. My last name on my birth certificate is Pincus (wrong spelling) my mom as Goldberg (correct) my dad as Pinkus (correct). When I needed a passport back in the 60s fortunately when I was about three my dad had legally change his name from Pinkus to Parker so it verified that the birth certificate was wrong and my name was now Parker. I never bothered to have it fixed. As an aside...in the manifest wherein my grandma arrived shows Pincus and in the column going to: it showed my grandpa as Pinkus. I'm just glad that that the misspelling was only a "c" or a "k" spelling problem. So whenever I'm trying to track down a Pinkus, I always check Pincus. Joanie ----- Original Message ----- From: maryd428 To: barbragucci@juno.com ; ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 11:47 AM Subject: Re: [ROOTS-L] wrong data My original birth certificate had my last name spelled wrong, but my parents last names were both spelled correctly. All it takes is an idiot filling out the form to get everything wrong. Back around the turn of the last century, it was common for the births to be recorded late because the doctors that attended the births didn't have the means to get around like they do today and going to the courthouse to record them was a special trip which they did not do every day. And the births were for the most part, in people's homes instead of in the hospital. My dad was born at home and that was in 1929. > > My children's 97 year old great-grandmother recently went into a nursing > home and her children had to find a copy of her birth certificate, she > didn't have one at home so they had to send for one, but nobody could find > it. She was born Nov. 25, 1910. They finally found it and it said she was > born Nov. 30, 1910. Not only that but her maiden name was Campieri and the > birth certificate said it was Cambi, and it gave a middle initial of S., > and she doesn't have a middle name. We don't know what to think. If it > weren't for her father's first name and her mother's first and maiden name > being correct, we would think the birth certificate wasn't hers. > > _____________________________________________________________ > Click for free info on earning your associates degrees. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3l8SsWtQCzetVd4X8JFBbT DzbjTeFQP18V4NIBijOqGkWQKU/ > ===== ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 16:45:33 EST From: ColonialKin@aol.com Subject: [ROOTS-L] Wrong data To: ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <c25.28fb7f0e.34c1267d@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Breathes there a genealogist who has not been confronted by confusing, contradictory information - often generated by the ancestor him/her self! Phonetic variations of given and surnames are not uncommon, particularly prior to the standardization of spelling. My personal favorite is my LINEKIN family, for whom to date, I have found 26 variations of the surname. In fact, my great great grandfather, in writing his will, used three different spellings of his surname within the body of the will and then signed it with another variation. Coming in a close second is my HAWES family-found as HORSE in the vital records - as a New Englander with our own unique pronounciations, (a "horse" becomes "haws"), that variation was amusing but not surprising. As frustrating as this can be, it also provides the challenge which makes genealogy such a fascinating hobby and continual learnng experience. Trying to convince those who create and/or perpetuate an error in family relationships - after one try, I now don't pursue it further. There are some who will never accept the truth, even confronted with deeds, probate records, etc. All I can do is to try my best to make sure that the information, preserved for my own family, is accurate and documented. Janet ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 16:49:18 -0600 From: "Donna Jo Atwood" <datwood@OLATHEKS.ORG> Subject: Re: [ROOTS-L] Wrong data To: <ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <000501c8595b$31269fd0$a701a8c0@olathe.lib.ks.us> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" When I teach the beginning genealogy class at the library I caution people about relying on only one spelling of a name. I use the example of one afternoon I spent in an Iowa courthouse. I turned up over 40 ways of spelling BIRKENHOLZ in the land records alone. I know because in those pre-copier days, I copied them all down by hand. The same with first names. My ggrandmother Jennie PRICE Earp was impossible to pin down, until I discovered that in most "official" records she was Matilda Jane. The family called many of my aunts and uncles by their middle names or some variation thereof. (And I am adding to the confusion. I know when I met someone by what variation of my name they use--I'll drive some future genealogist crazy.) Donna Jo Atwood Reference Librarian Olathe (KS) Public Library -----Original Message----- From: roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of ColonialKin@aol.com Breathes there a genealogist who has not been confronted by confusing, contradictory information - often generated by the ancestor him/her self! Phonetic variations of given and surnames are not uncommon, particularly prior to the standardization of spelling. My personal favorite is my LINEKIN family, for whom to date, I have found 26 variations of the surname. In fact, my great great grandfather, in writing his will, used three different spellings of his surname within the body of the will and then signed it with another variation. Coming in a close second is my HAWES family-found as HORSE in the vital records - as a New Englander with our own unique pronounciations, (a "horse" becomes "haws"), that variation was amusing but not surprising. As frustrating as this can be, it also provides the challenge which makes genealogy such a fascinating hobby and continual learnng experience. Trying to convince those who create and/or perpetuate an error in family relationships - after one try, I now don't pursue it further. There are some who will never accept the truth, even confronted with deeds, probate records, etc. All I can do is to try my best to make sure that the information, preserved for my own family, is accurate and documented. Janet End of ROOTS Digest, Vol 3, Issue 54 ************************************

Should only need a CERTIFIED death certificate from the state she died in. If you absolutely need a birth certificate, this is one way to acquire one--- Find your mother in the 1920 & 1930 census, contact the Census Bureau and give them the reference so they will issue the same information on their form. Send that to Alabama Vital Statistics. They will issue the birth certificate. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ayers, B. J." <X2BAYERS@southernco.com> To: <roots@rootsweb.com>; <altuscal@rootsweb.com>; <alabama@rootsweb.com>; <alpickens@rootsweb.com> Cc: <georgia@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 2:35 AM Subject: Re: [ALABAMA] --***BIRTH RECORD-(1918)*** ROOTS Digest, Vol 3,Issue 54 > > 21JAN08 > > GREETINGS to One & all; > > Is there a Kind soul out there who can help an old War Horse, in a > time of need??? > Our Dear MOTHER- *RUBY FRANCES (MONTGOMERY)-AYERS* has recently passed > on into GLORY-[29DEC07], in her Nineth Year!!! > Born -(1918), in "GORDO/ PICKENS[Tuscaloosa],AL" to *NAOMIE > (HINTON)-MONTGOMERY & HOMER MONTGOMERY*!!! > We have been trying to get a "BIRTH RECORD", with negative results thus > far, When we made contact with "PICKENS COUNTY, AL", we were told they > could find "NO RECORD on their Computer", [This Cost $39.00]-that we > would have to send a payment of just over $100.00, for each record > search, to have someone Search thru the---"Old Paper Files"---, and > there was NO REFUND, if they could not find it!--[We think they have > Farmed out Research Duties??] > We have made contact [twice] with the "SOCIAL SECURITY OFFICE", in an > effort to get a-"BIRTH RECORD"-; we were finally told that the--"BIRTH > CERTIFICATE"--, "Which We PROVIDED to them back in-(1981) - has been > purged, and/or destroyed, that all they have is the "CODE" verifying > that they had seen a Certified Copy of the BIRTH CERTIFICATE!!! > They would NOT give us any Intel from her file out side of > [name/rank/serial#], Maiden Name/Married Name---Place of > Birth,D.O.B.---, they would Not even verify any Intel that we gave them! > Nothing on Marriage Place, or Date, Nothing on Where they Lived over the > years-[way back then], Nothing on when they Divorced, Nothing on her > Parents, etc!!!! > We are facing a "Big Delima", We are the sole Surviving child, and we > were told to Provide SOCIAL SECURITY a CERTIFIED COPY OF BIRTH > RECORD-AGAIN" in order for them to Disburse her last "S.S.CHECK" to > us??? > ******FYI--to those who DID NOT KNOW--The so > called-"$255.00-DEATH/BURIAL BENEFIT" is NO MORE!!! > Per the "Lady @ S.S."---Apparently under PRES.BILL > CLENTON-[early-1990's], This Benefit was reduced to only Surviving > Spouse, or H/C Minor Child!!!!!!!!!!! > > If anyone has Connections, and/ or Sources to acquire a Birth Record, it > would be greatly appreciated!! > THANKS & GOD BLESS > SEMPER FI > > BA- In North GA!! > Looking for-"HINTON/ MONTGOMERY/ AYERS/ BROWN/ CLEMENTS/FOSTER", amongst > others-(GEORGIA to Tuscaloosa, AL.areas-circa-1820)!!! > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of roots-request@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 5:57 PM > To: roots@rootsweb.com > Subject: ROOTS Digest, Vol 3, Issue 54 > > > > If you respond to this digest, please replace the subject line of > your response (so it doesn't read "Re: ROOTS-L Digest") and please do > NOT > quote the digest ... a few lines from the message to which you are > responding or (better still) a brief summary of that message will do. > Thanks! > > MailMan (our current software) supports two digest formats. One > (what you're probably reading) is plain. The other is called "MIME", > and may > appear as if each message is an attachment. It doesn't work for AOL. > If you want to try the other digest format, drop a note to > ROOTS-admin@rootsweb.com and ask me to "toggle the digest format." > If you want to receive each message separately, as soon as it's sent, > drop a note to the same addess and ask for mail mode. > > EDIT > ) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 11:47:53 -0500 > From: "maryd428" <maryd428@earthlink.net> > Subject: Re: [ROOTS-L] wrong data > To: <barbragucci@juno.com>, <ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <000701c85928$b458edf0$0201a8c0@maryd> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > > My original birth certificate had my last name spelled wrong, but my > parents > last names were both spelled correctly. All it takes is an idiot filling > out > the form to get everything wrong. Back around the turn of the last > century, > it was common for the births to be recorded late because the doctors > that > attended the births didn't have the means to get around like they do > today > and going to the courthouse to record them was a special trip which they > did > not do every day. And the births were for the most part, in people's > homes > instead of in the hospital. My dad was born at home and that was in > 1929. > > >> >> My children's 97 year old great-grandmother recently went into a > nursing >> home and her children had to find a copy of her birth certificate, she > >> didn't have one at home so they had to send for one, but nobody could > find >> it. She was born Nov. 25, 1910. They finally found it and it said she > was >> born Nov. 30, 1910. Not only that but her maiden name was Campieri and > the >> birth certificate said it was Cambi, and it gave a middle initial of > S., >> and she doesn't have a middle name. We don't know what to think. If it > >> weren't for her father's first name and her mother's first and maiden > name >> being correct, we would think the birth certificate wasn't hers. > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 12:33:21 EST > From: Ema609@aol.com > Subject: [ROOTS-L] wrong data > To: roots@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <d50.1f20600a.34c0eb61@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > maybe her parents couldn't spell. Maybe she was born on the > 25th but it wasn't regerstered until the 30. > Just maybe a lot till you figure it out. > > a cousin gave me 2 documents not knowing what > they were there names weren't in the family. I bought a > polish > dictionary and figured it out what I could > and then I stare into space for awhile that seems to help me > see > things. > It was 2 birthcerticates with the same midwife obviously related > I called another cousin and said I have his parents > birth certificates except the first and last names are different > and they were born at different dates. > That brought on mighty laughter > the funniest thing is I was right on target they were first > cousins . > Ema > > My children's 97 year old great-grandmother recently went into a > nursing > home and her children had to find a copy of her birth certificate, she > didn't > have one at home so they had to send for one, but nobody could find it. > She was > born Nov. 25, 1910. They finally found it and it said she was born Nov. > 30, > 1910. Not only that but her maiden name was Campieri and the birth > certificate said it was Cambi, and it gave a middle initial of S., and > she doesn't have > a middle name. We don't know what to think. If it weren't for her > father's > first name and her mother's first and maiden name being correct, we > would > think the birth certificate wasn't hers. > _barbragucci@juno.com_ (mailto:barbragucci@juno.com) > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 12:38:39 EST > From: JYoung6180@aol.com > Subject: Re: [ROOTS-L] wrong data > To: roots@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <c57.246ff268.34c0ec9f@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > There are several possibilities here. > > 1) the certificate may NOT be for their great-grandmother's. The > similarities could be a coincidence. > 2) the copy of the certificate may have typos and misspellings because > the > typist copied the information from the original incorrectly--maybe > because of > poor handwriting on the original > 3) the person who supplied the information for the original (probably > the > doctor) may not have known the correct spelling and may have misspelled > it or > had very poor writing. > 4) the certificate could be correct and the 97 year old may not be > remembering the correct information or may never have been told the > correct info by > her parents. She could have dropped the initial S. and never used it > and her > family members may have never known about the initial. > Joan > ------------ > My children's 97 year old great-grandmother recently went into a nursing > > home and her children had to find a copy of her birth certificate, she > didn't > have one at home so they had to send for one, but nobody could find it. > She was > born Nov. 25, 1910. They finally found it and it said she was born Nov. > 30, > 1910. Not only that but her maiden name was Campieri and the birth > certificate > said it was Cambi, and it gave a middle initial of S., and she doesn't > have > a middle name. We don't know what to think. If it weren't for her > father's > first name and her mother's first and maiden name being correct, we > would think > the birth certificate wasn't hers. > > **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. > > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 12:48:42 -0500 > From: "caviness" <caviness@yadtel.net> > Subject: Re: [ROOTS-L] wrong data > To: <Ema609@aol.com>, <roots@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <002001c85931$3675f9b0$0a01a8c0@home2e72c04114> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Some folks just should not do genealogy.I have this one fellow ,who has > my > ancestor married to his ancestor (instead of mine) , and no matter how > many > times one tells him , no matter how many times you give him examples of > records that show her married to my ancestor ,records that cover times > when > he says she was married to his ancestor .Records where she is clearly > married to my ancestor . > He continues to place her as his ancestor even though if one does the > math > she was 11 years old when he has her marring his ancestor . > Then when it is pointed out that will of her father clearly list her > as > the wife of my ancestor .He attempts to develops a second marriage for > her > with my ancestor . To make the facts fit .The man can not tell me how > he > ever arrived at the fact she was married to his ancestor just says they > were > neighbors ,and he has always believed this was passed down . To make > matters > worse snooping around on ancestory . This man now has my ancestor not > married at all to my ancestor but to a cousin member with the same > name > .Of course one can't tell him anything . > .I was pleasantly surprised by one researcher who had done an amazing > job on > my families (and hers )genealogy . Thanks Deb Patricia Perkins > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Ema609@aol.com> > To: <roots@rootsweb.com> > Sent: 2008-01-17 07:39 > Subject: [ROOTS-L] wrong data > > >> >> >> once I found a name of a relative so I called up the >> cousin in law. To make a long story short. the person >> in question had a different profession wife and town >> then my 3rd cousins husband. etc etc >> She said its a diff person. >> I said if he was married once why not twice etc >> It turned out to be the same person. >> Some times you have to break brick walls lol >> Its like I told her >> How many John Smiths could there be >> LoooooooooooL >> Ema >> >> >> >> > ----------------------------- > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 10:20:50 -0800 (PST) > From: Carol Hertensteiner <gennut62@yahoo.com> > Subject: [ROOTS-L] Genealogy Computer Workshop in St. Charles, > Missouri > To: ROOTS@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <91874.45915.qm@web61020.mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > 12 April 2008 > > Held at St. Charles Community College, St. Peters, MO > > Co-sponsored by the St. Charles County Genealogical Society > and St. Charles Community College > > Presenter: Michael John Neill, columnist for Ancestry.com. Michael > has led research trips to Ft. Wayne and Salt Lake City and lectures > nationally on a wide variety of genealogy topics > > During the workshop, you will discover original records > on > FOOTNOTE.COM and how to access them. > > Each person will have a computer and free access during the workshop. > > Registration Fees: > > SCCGS Member, SCC students, faculty, staff: $30. > General Public: $40. > > For more information: http://www.rootdig.com/stchas2008.htm > > Questions? Email Michael John Neill at mjnrootdig@gmail.com > or Jo Schnare wschnare@mail.win.org > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 10:23:01 -0800 > From: "Bob" <genealogy-0kj3rwi@listemail.net> > Subject: Re: [ROOTS-L] Family History > To: roots@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <200801171823.m0HIN16n030633@mail.rootsweb.com> > > ** Reply to message from JYoung6180@aol.com on Thu, 17 Jan 2008 01:01:26 > -0700 > >> Well, Robert....in THAT case I KNOW for fact you were never told what > you >> claim you were about your WorldConnect tree...because WorldConnect > doesn't work >> that way and never did. You may THINK that is what you were told but > you >> obviously misunderstood what was being said/written. I was on RootsWeb > staff at >> that time and was one of the original testers before WorldConnect went > public >> and there was NEVER a time when you couldn't completely control your > tree >> data. > > I did not say I did not have complete control at Rootsweb before > Ancestry took > over. I have been saying (many times because you have not been paying > attention) that after Ancestry took over they changed the rules and I > could not > delete all of my data. > Robert Blair > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 12:40:05 -0600 > From: "juanita" <juanita2@cox.net> > Subject: [ROOTS-L] The Christian Union > To: <ROOTS@rootsweb.com>, "Freeman" <freemanfive@frontiernet.net> > Message-ID: <478F4CA5.15894.2B3E54F1@localhost> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > What part of the country is this newspaper from? Perhaps it's a > church denominational publication. I found some good information > from a church paper in Kentucky that included the death of a person > I'd been looking for in Iowa. Her spouse had moved to Iowa and sent > a notice of her death back to a church paper published in Kentucky > where they'd lived prior to moving to Iowa. This was in the 1880's > as I recall. > > I found this particular paper in a small town library. > > juanita >> >> Has anyone heard of "The Christian Union" newspaper? I have two, one >> is dated November 12, 1870 and the other is dated December 24, 1870. >> Both are just as white and readable as the newspaper I received this >> morning. I have tried researching online for this newspaper and have >> turned up nothing. >> >> Thank you, >> >> Kim Freeman > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 15:21:59 -0500 > From: Elizabeth Cunningham <drybones@netreach.net> > Subject: Re: [ROOTS-L] wrong data > To: roots@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <478FB8E7.5040102@netreach.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > I found my father's half sister Fannie, daughter of Frank Kuettel and > Wilhelmina Stroebel Kuettel, listed as Vennie Kiddle, daughter of Fannie > > and Wilhelmina Kiddle. My grandmother never spoke English well, and to > guess from a name, the midwife was Czech, and I am not sure of her > English either. > > Elizabeth C > > JYoung6180@aol.com wrote: > >>There are several possibilities here. >> >>1) the certificate may NOT be for their great-grandmother's. The >>similarities could be a coincidence. >>2) the copy of the certificate may have typos and misspellings because > the >>typist copied the information from the original incorrectly--maybe > because of >>poor handwriting on the original >>3) the person who supplied the information for the original (probably > the >>doctor) may not have known the correct spelling and may have misspelled > it or >>had very poor writing. >>4) the certificate could be correct and the 97 year old may not be >>remembering the correct information or may never have been told the > correct info by >>her parents. She could have dropped the initial S. and never used it > and her >>family members may have never known about the initial. >> >>Joan >>------------ >>My children's 97 year old great-grandmother recently went into a > nursing >>home and her children had to find a copy of her birth certificate, she > didn't >>have one at home so they had to send for one, but nobody could find it. > She was >>born Nov. 25, 1910. They finally found it and it said she was born Nov. > 30, >>1910. Not only that but her maiden name was Campieri and the birth > certificate >> said it was Cambi, and it gave a middle initial of S., and she doesn't > have >>a middle name. We don't know what to think. If it weren't for her > father's >>first name and her mother's first and maiden name being correct, we > would think >>the birth certificate wasn't hers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------- > > Message: 9 > Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 14:56:54 -0500 > From: "Joan Parker" <joanparker@intergate.com> > Subject: Re: [ROOTS-L] wrong data > To: "maryd428" <maryd428@earthlink.net>, <barbragucci@juno.com>, > <ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <016c01c85946$c0b0e3a0$038c94ce@acer2e68c49b20> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Happened to me too and I was born in a hospital. My last name on my > birth certificate is Pincus (wrong spelling) my mom as Goldberg > (correct) my dad as Pinkus (correct). When I needed a passport back in > the 60s fortunately when I was about three my dad had legally change his > name from Pinkus to Parker so it verified that the birth certificate was > wrong and my name was now Parker. I never bothered to have it fixed. > > As an aside...in the manifest wherein my grandma arrived shows Pincus > and in the column going to: it showed my grandpa as Pinkus. I'm just > glad that that the misspelling was only a "c" or a "k" spelling problem. > So whenever I'm trying to track down a Pinkus, I always check Pincus. > Joanie > ----- Original Message ----- > From: maryd428 > To: barbragucci@juno.com ; ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 11:47 AM > Subject: Re: [ROOTS-L] wrong data > > > > My original birth certificate had my last name spelled wrong, but my > parents > last names were both spelled correctly. All it takes is an idiot > filling out > the form to get everything wrong. Back around the turn of the last > century, > it was common for the births to be recorded late because the doctors > that > attended the births didn't have the means to get around like they do > today > and going to the courthouse to record them was a special trip which > they did > not do every day. And the births were for the most part, in people's > homes > instead of in the hospital. My dad was born at home and that was in > 1929. > > > > > > My children's 97 year old great-grandmother recently went into a > nursing > > home and her children had to find a copy of her birth certificate, > she > > didn't have one at home so they had to send for one, but nobody > could find > > it. She was born Nov. 25, 1910. They finally found it and it said > she was > > born Nov. 30, 1910. Not only that but her maiden name was Campieri > and the > > birth certificate said it was Cambi, and it gave a middle initial of > S., > > and she doesn't have a middle name. We don't know what to think. If > it > > weren't for her father's first name and her mother's first and > maiden name > > being correct, we would think the birth certificate wasn't hers. > > > > _____________________________________________________________ > > Click for free info on earning your associates degrees. > > > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3l8SsWtQCzetVd4X8JFBbT > DzbjTeFQP18V4NIBijOqGkWQKU/ > > ===== > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 16:45:33 EST > From: ColonialKin@aol.com > Subject: [ROOTS-L] Wrong data > To: ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <c25.28fb7f0e.34c1267d@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Breathes there a genealogist who has not been confronted by confusing, > contradictory information - often generated by the ancestor him/her > self! > > Phonetic variations of given and surnames are not uncommon, particularly > > prior to the standardization of spelling. My personal favorite is my > LINEKIN > family, for whom to date, I have found 26 variations of the surname. > In fact, > my great great grandfather, in writing his will, used three different > spellings > of his surname within the body of the will and then signed it with > another > variation. Coming in a close second is my HAWES family-found as HORSE > in the > vital records - as a New Englander with our own unique pronounciations, > (a > "horse" becomes "haws"), that variation was amusing but not surprising. > As > frustrating as this can be, it also provides the challenge which makes > genealogy > such a fascinating hobby and continual learnng experience. > > Trying to convince those who create and/or perpetuate an error in family > > relationships - after one try, I now don't pursue it further. There > are some who > will never accept the truth, even confronted with deeds, probate > records, > etc. All I can do is to try my best to make sure that the information, > > preserved for my own family, is accurate and documented. > > Janet > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 16:49:18 -0600 > From: "Donna Jo Atwood" <datwood@OLATHEKS.ORG> > Subject: Re: [ROOTS-L] Wrong data > To: <ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <000501c8595b$31269fd0$a701a8c0@olathe.lib.ks.us> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > When I teach the beginning genealogy class at the library I caution > people > about relying on only one spelling of a name. I use the example of one > afternoon I spent in an Iowa courthouse. I turned up over 40 ways of > spelling BIRKENHOLZ in the land records alone. I know because in those > pre-copier days, I copied them all down by hand. > The same with first names. My ggrandmother Jennie PRICE Earp was > impossible > to pin down, until I discovered that in most "official" records she was > Matilda Jane. The family called many of my aunts and uncles by their > middle > names or some variation thereof. (And I am adding to the confusion. I > know > when I met someone by what variation of my name they use--I'll drive > some > future genealogist crazy.) > Donna Jo Atwood > Reference Librarian > Olathe (KS) Public Library > -----Original Message----- > From: roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of ColonialKin@aol.com > Breathes there a genealogist who has not been confronted by confusing, > contradictory information - often generated by the ancestor him/her > self! > > Phonetic variations of given and surnames are not uncommon, particularly > > prior to the standardization of spelling. My personal favorite is my > LINEKIN > family, for whom to date, I have found 26 variations of the surname. > In > fact, > my great great grandfather, in writing his will, used three different > spellings > of his surname within the body of the will and then signed it with > another > variation. Coming in a close second is my HAWES family-found as HORSE > in > the > vital records - as a New Englander with our own unique pronounciations, > (a > "horse" becomes "haws"), that variation was amusing but not surprising. > As > > frustrating as this can be, it also provides the challenge which makes > genealogy > such a fascinating hobby and continual learnng experience. > > Trying to convince those who create and/or perpetuate an error in family > > relationships - after one try, I now don't pursue it further. There > are > some who > will never accept the truth, even confronted with deeds, probate > records, > etc. All I can do is to try my best to make sure that the information, > > preserved for my own family, is accurate and documented. > > Janet > End of ROOTS Digest, Vol 3, Issue 54 > ************************************ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ALABAMA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >