That's a very good question! Just how are they or did they do that lineage trace after so many generations?

The Y-DNA compared was from Thomas Jefferson's paternal uncle's descendants... However, technically the test doesn't prove that Jefferson fathered Hemings' male children. What it proves is that someone in Thomas Jefferson's paternal uncle's male line of descent fathered them. If the uncle and and Thomas Jefferson's father in fact had the same father, and Jefferson was in fact his father's son, the possibilities for the paternity of Sally Hemings' male children would include Thomas Jefferson... but it would also include any other male in the Jefferson male line (whether known and acknowledged and bearing the Jefferson name or not), that is to say any and all descendents in direct male line from Jefferson's grandfather, great grandfather, great-great grandfather, etc. as far up the line as you want to go... back many, many generations. RW SChap46348@aol.com wrote: >Perhaps this is not something to get envolved with but my understanding is >that the proof must come through male descendants and Thomas Jefferson had only >one daughter to live. He had no direct male descendants. The "proof" comes >from some of TJ's male relatives and only proves that Hemmings had children by >"a" Jefferson. Please don't write me about this I am not beating any drum one >way or the other I just think we are all interested in the best accuracy we >can obtain. > >I was in Monticello a year ago and bought "umteen" books on the subject and >have read everything I could find on the internet. It is really very >interesting. > >Shirley > >If this is correct, why were they able to the descendency of Thomas >Jefferson? Officially if will become proof of their relationship to >Jefferson and >Hemmings. >

Perhaps this is not something to get envolved with but my understanding is that the proof must come through male descendants and Thomas Jefferson had only one daughter to live. He had no direct male descendants. The "proof" comes from some of TJ's male relatives and only proves that Hemmings had children by "a" Jefferson. Please don't write me about this I am not beating any drum one way or the other I just think we are all interested in the best accuracy we can obtain. I was in Monticello a year ago and bought "umteen" books on the subject and have read everything I could find on the internet. It is really very interesting. Shirley If this is correct, why were they able to the descendency of Thomas Jefferson? Officially if will become proof of their relationship to Jefferson and Hemmings.

For Bill Fish.......now that makes a lot of sense.....thanks.

If this is correct, why were they able to the descendency of Thomas Jefferson? Officially if will become proof of their relationship to Jefferson and Hemmings. Barbara

If this be true, then why can we trace gene disorders thru six and seven generations. Bill Fish ----- Original Message ----- From: <Scalawag1867@aol.com> To: <GEORGIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 10:03 AM Subject: [GEORGIA] Related to our ancestors????????????? | I help please. | | I talked at length this morning with my nephew who is with the FBI. | | He tells me that after three generations we are no longer related to our | ancestors. | | we are linked by names but not by blood. | | He says no one is related to one another after third cousins. | --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by your Internet Service Provider]

Sandra... Your mitochondrial DNA should be the same or almost the same as all of your mother's *direct line* of female ancestors going back hundreds and possibly thousands of years. If you have a brother, his Y-DNA should be the same or almost the same as that of all of his *direct line* of male ancestors going back hundreds or possibly thousands of years, though Y-DNA is somewhat more subject to mutation than mitochondrial DNA. There is also a general pool of DNA that any child gets in random proportion from both parents. That pool would be fairly similar for siblings but changes rapidly going down the generations. I think what your nephew was trying to say to you was that since your direct line is such a small proportion of all of the lines you are related to, that there is very little common DNA shared with most of your cousins... especially way out at a 3rd cousin. However, a small portion of your cousins... mostly female, but also a few males (ones with the same direct line of female ancestry as you) will have exactly or almost exactly the same mitochondrial DNA as you, as will a small portion of your brother's male cousins (those with the same line of male ancestry as him) have exactly or almost exactly the same Y-DNA as him. Your mother's mitochondrial DNA is also shared by your brother but he cannot pass it on... and you, having no Y-DNA from your father, do not share any with your brother. Even within your direct lines the total package of DNA within each individual person will be quite a bit different. Of course we are related to all of our ancestors, but the share of DNA that most of them passed on to us is very small... and I guess that at some uncertain point in time and reproduction, the DNA from our more distant ancestors in effect gets randomly crowded out. But a very small percentage of our ancestors passed on a major chunk of DNA to each of us, that is the same size and type as it was in them, and it is either exactly the same configuration in the tiniest detail as it was in them, or perhaps it mutated just ever so slightly over many generations through a slight "error" in the replication process. Does that help... or have I just confused things more? By the way... I'm no expert on this and I did not sleep at the Holiday Inn last night. <G> RW Scalawag1867@aol.com wrote: >I help please. > >I talked at length this morning with my nephew who is with the FBI. > >He tells me that after three generations we are no longer related to our >ancestors. > >we are linked by names but not by blood. > >He says no one is related to one another after third cousins. > >My line/ancestors: > >James Waldrop, Sr. >Benjamin Waldrop >Green Berry Waldrop 1794-1854 >Joseph Ryan Waldrop 1827-1870 >James Harry Waldrop 190601962 >Me. > >So what he is saying I am only related to Green Berry Waldrop,Benjamin >Waldrop his papa is not related to me, I am just in his name only line. >We are only researching our names and not who wer are related to. > >So if James Waldrop, Sr. and Ann hadn't married in the 1700s, would I be >here?? Does it not take one generation to make another. > >He said this was taught in the FBI and DNA. > >Help me please.....I am not educated in this and he is. > >Please tell me he is wrong. > >Sandra >maiden Waldrop >Georgia > >

I just made a reply at SCOTS-L so I will say the same thing here.....and again at ALABAMA-L, etc......we might not be considered "related" by US law, but even in royalty, bloodline DO matter.....if it only related to names, then ALL Joneses, Smiths, etc. would be kin.....and we know that isn't true.....or not kin at all.... this is preposterous......did the FBI make this rule?  Tell that to the Stewarts (Stuarts) in England.......lol

Not sure about that, but not being nasty but why do people take whatever the FBI says as 'gospel' - since you can take DNA from years prior and match it to DNA now for verifying connection - and as just an aside, you know they always ask for the "next of kin" to sign any legal documents, etc., esp if you go into a medical facility, etc., - but actually your spouse is not your 'next of kin', next of kin relates to blood connection, your spouse may be legally (?) responsible but they are not "next of kin" - anyway where did "kin" come from, meaning the word actually? delilah At 10:03 11/22/03 EST, you wrote: >I help please. > >I talked at length this morning with my nephew who is with the FBI. > >He tells me that after three generations we are no longer related to our >ancestors. > >we are linked by names but not by blood. > >He says no one is related to one another after third cousins. > >My line/ancestors: > >James Waldrop, Sr. >Benjamin Waldrop >Green Berry Waldrop 1794-1854 >Joseph Ryan Waldrop 1827-1870 >James Harry Waldrop 190601962 >Me. > >So what he is saying I am only related to Green Berry Waldrop,Benjamin >Waldrop his papa is not related to me, I am just in his name only line. >We are only researching our names and not who wer are related to. > >So if James Waldrop, Sr. and Ann hadn't married in the 1700s, would I be >here?? Does it not take one generation to make another. > >He said this was taught in the FBI and DNA. > >Help me please.....I am not educated in this and he is. > >Please tell me he is wrong. > >Sandra >maiden Waldrop >Georgia > > >==== GEORGIA Mailing List ==== >NOTICE: Posting of virus warnings, test messages, chain letters, political >announcements, current events, items for sale, personal messages, flames, >etc. (in other words - spam) is NOT ALLOWED and will be grounds for removal. >Consideration for exceptions, contact Kathleen Burnett kathleenburnett@earthlink.net > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

We have a line of descent, which is what we are searching. The term relative may not be too relative to be "legally" kin as prescribe by law in marriage and such, after a those three generation, the line of descent will stay forever. _______________________________________________

Well, then, how are they tracing Thomas Jefferson's decendants? Thought that was being done by DNA. FWP ----- Original Message ----- From: <Scalawag1867@aol.com> To: <GEORGIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 10:03 AM Subject: [GEORGIA] Related to our ancestors????????????? > I help please. > > I talked at length this morning with my nephew who is with the FBI. > > He tells me that after three generations we are no longer related to our > ancestors. > > we are linked by names but not by blood. > > He says no one is related to one another after third cousins. > > My line/ancestors: > > James Waldrop, Sr. > Benjamin Waldrop > Green Berry Waldrop 1794-1854 > Joseph Ryan Waldrop 1827-1870 > James Harry Waldrop 190601962 > Me. > > So what he is saying I am only related to Green Berry Waldrop,Benjamin > Waldrop his papa is not related to me, I am just in his name only line. > We are only researching our names and not who wer are related to. > > So if James Waldrop, Sr. and Ann hadn't married in the 1700s, would I be > here?? Does it not take one generation to make another. > > He said this was taught in the FBI and DNA. > > Help me please.....I am not educated in this and he is. > > Please tell me he is wrong. > > Sandra > maiden Waldrop > Georgia > > > ==== GEORGIA Mailing List ==== > NOTICE: Posting of virus warnings, test messages, chain letters, political > announcements, current events, items for sale, personal messages, flames, > etc. (in other words - spam) is NOT ALLOWED and will be grounds for removal. > Consideration for exceptions, contact Kathleen Burnett kathleenburnett@earthlink.net > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

I help please. I talked at length this morning with my nephew who is with the FBI. He tells me that after three generations we are no longer related to our ancestors. we are linked by names but not by blood. He says no one is related to one another after third cousins. My line/ancestors: James Waldrop, Sr. Benjamin Waldrop Green Berry Waldrop 1794-1854 Joseph Ryan Waldrop 1827-1870 James Harry Waldrop 190601962 Me. So what he is saying I am only related to Green Berry Waldrop,Benjamin Waldrop his papa is not related to me, I am just in his name only line. We are only researching our names and not who wer are related to. So if James Waldrop, Sr. and Ann hadn't married in the 1700s, would I be here?? Does it not take one generation to make another. He said this was taught in the FBI and DNA. Help me please.....I am not educated in this and he is. Please tell me he is wrong. Sandra maiden Waldrop Georgia

I think the original statement was not beyond 3rd cousin. That part I can understand. But mitochondrial (sp) or mother's dna, is supposed to stay in the female descendent line until broken by a male offspring (or something like that. Also, a direct line Great ----Grandfather is not a third cousin. Just my point of view. Hank -----Original Message----- From: Fonda Parker [mailto:golden_rose@comcast.net] Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 8:04 AM To: GEORGIA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GEORGIA] Related to our ancestors????????????? Well, then, how are they tracing Thomas Jefferson's decendants? Thought that was being done by DNA. FWP ----- Original Message ----- From: <Scalawag1867@aol.com> To: <GEORGIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 10:03 AM Subject: [GEORGIA] Related to our ancestors????????????? > I help please. > > I talked at length this morning with my nephew who is with the FBI. > > He tells me that after three generations we are no longer related to our > ancestors. > > we are linked by names but not by blood. > > He says no one is related to one another after third cousins. > > My line/ancestors: > > James Waldrop, Sr. > Benjamin Waldrop > Green Berry Waldrop 1794-1854 > Joseph Ryan Waldrop 1827-1870 > James Harry Waldrop 190601962 > Me. > > So what he is saying I am only related to Green Berry Waldrop,Benjamin > Waldrop his papa is not related to me, I am just in his name only line. > We are only researching our names and not who wer are related to. > > So if James Waldrop, Sr. and Ann hadn't married in the 1700s, would I be > here?? Does it not take one generation to make another. > > He said this was taught in the FBI and DNA. > > Help me please.....I am not educated in this and he is. > > Please tell me he is wrong. > > Sandra > maiden Waldrop > Georgia > > > ==== GEORGIA Mailing List ==== > NOTICE: Posting of virus warnings, test messages, chain letters, political > announcements, current events, items for sale, personal messages, flames, > etc. (in other words - spam) is NOT ALLOWED and will be grounds for removal. > Consideration for exceptions, contact Kathleen Burnett kathleenburnett@earthlink.net > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > ==== GEORGIA Mailing List ==== If you wish to unsubscribe from the Georgia list, send only the word UNSUBSCRIBE to GEORGIA-l-request@rootsweb.com or if you are on the Digest List to GEORGIA-d-request@rootsweb.com ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

I'm looking for the parents or other information on GEORGE LUMPKIN, born in Georgia around 1825/26/27. He married MARY BATTON in Upson County on March 5, 1848. Their daughter, ELLA LUMPKIN, was born on October 6, 1860, possibly in Warm Springs (Meriwether County). Were there other children born to this marriage? Was this GEORGE LUMPKIN a member of the well-documented Lumpkin family of Georgia? Also, there are several men with this name who served in the Confederate Army from Georgia and I'm wondering if he is one of them. Thank you. Michele Heiderer kellen2000@juno.com

> > From: JHin731@aol.com > Date: 2003/11/20 Thu PM 10:53:19 EST > To: GEORGIA-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [GEORGIA] Re: GEORGIA-D Digest V03 #412 > > Pat, > Canton, GA is just north of Marietta, GA, Marietta ia in Cobb County. > > Jessie Hingson > > > ==== GEORGIA Mailing List ==== > If you wish to unsubscribe from the Georgia list, send only the word > UNSUBSCRIBE to GEORGIA-l-request@rootsweb.com or if you are on the Digest > List to GEORGIA-d-request@rootsweb.com > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > Marietta is in Cobb Co. and Canton is in Cherokee Co., Ga. Jimmy

Hope that the following site will be of some assistance: http://www.sos.state.ga.us/archives/rs/lotteries.htm#lg4 Georgia Land Lotteries -------------------------------------------------------------------- Introduction | How to Locate a Land Lottery Grant or Plat | Glossary of Terms | Georgia Archives Land Records Eugenia Researching Alstons in Elbert, Montgomery, Monroe and Sumter Counties, GA. ____________________________________________________________________________ _________________________________ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lew Griffin" <lewgriffin@cox.net> Subject: [GEORGIA] Land Lottery Maps showing specific lots > Does anyone know of a current source for Land Lottery Maps for a > specific original county, or lottery district within a county, showing > the location of land lots within a given district? For example, I would > like to know the location of each Lot in the 15th Lottery District of > original Carroll County (later Troup Co.) GA.

Pat, Canton, GA is just north of Marietta, GA, Marietta ia in Cobb County. Jessie Hingson

Just wanted to say that I think that it is great the way that members of this group network with one another! Thanks for sharing this helpful information. Eugenia Researching Alstons in Elbert, Montgomery, Monroe and Sumter Counties, GA. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat crabtree" <rcrabtree@homexpressway.net> To: <GEORGIA-L@rootsweb.com> Lew, > The tax assessor for most counties sell them, or someone in that office can > probably tell you where to purchase a copy. I've paid between $3.00 and > $6.00 for each county map; the price is set by each county. Everyone has > been very nice about mailing me a copy. > Pat > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lew Griffin" <lewgriffin@cox.net> > Subject: [GEORGIA] Land Lottery Maps showing specific lots > > Does anyone know of a current source for Land Lottery Maps for a > > specific original county, or lottery district within a county, showing > > the location of land lots within a given district? For example, I would > > like to know the location of each Lot in the 15th Lottery District of > > original Carroll County (later Troup Co.) GA. > > All I can find on the web is Hall's map, > > http://www.cviog.uga.edu/Projects/gainfo/hallsmap.htm and that just > > shows the original counties and sections or districts within them. > > Thanks, Lew Griffin

> > From: "Lew Griffin" <lewgriffin@cox.net> > Date: 2003/11/19 Wed PM 05:15:48 EST > To: GEORGIA-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [GEORGIA] Land Lottery Maps showing specific lots > > Does anyone know of a current source for Land Lottery Maps for a > specific original county, or lottery district within a county, showing > the location of land lots within a given district? For example, I would > like to know the location of each Lot in the 15th Lottery District of > original Carroll County (later Troup Co.) GA. > > > > All I can find on the web is Hall's map, > http://www.cviog.uga.edu/Projects/gainfo/hallsmap.htm and that just > shows the original counties and sections or districts within them. > > > > I've been at this for a while, and I used to be able to order such maps > from the GA Archives. This was in the late 1970's. Then I heard there > was a private company which had them for sale. Lately, I've heard > nothing. All I can find on the web is that the Cobb Co. Library "has a > great collection of these maps." But I'm in Phoenix, AZ. > > > > I know these maps exist, and any suggestions as to how to obtain copies > of them, or how to locate them on the web, would be appreciated. > > > > Thanks, Lew Griffin > > > > ==== GEORGIA Mailing List ==== > NOTICE: Posting of virus warnings, test messages, chain letters, political > announcements, current events, items for sale, personal messages, flames, > etc. (in other words - spam) is NOT ALLOWED and will be grounds for removal. > Consideration for exceptions, contact Kathleen Burnett kathleenburnett@earthlink.net > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > This site will not give you the individual lots won by the lucky drawers ,but will get you in the ball park. You can select any year shown, but only 1826 shows the general lots. Good luck, Jimmy Woodyard www.cviog.uga.edu/Projects/gainfo/histcountymaps/troup1826map.htm

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