Terry, The highest point in the state of Georgia is Brasstown Bald near Helen, Georgia. It's a beautiful place to visit. I know for sure because I used to live near there. Charlene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry Jackson" <jacksont@otelco.net> To: <GEORGIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 8:12 AM Subject: Re: [GEORGIA] Area Travel in the 1850-1870 time frame > You also need to take into consideration that Cleburne Co., AL is extremely > mountainous terrain. In fact, I believe Mt. Cheha in the Talladega National Forest > is the highest point in the state. > > Hank Holloway wrote: > > > Thanks Harold > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Harold Cochran [mailto:HCOCHRAN@cfl.rr.com] > > Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 4:47 PM > > To: GEORGIA-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [GEORGIA] Area Travel in the 1850-1870 time frame > > > > I remember reading that the wagon trains went about 12 miles or so a day > > going west. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > =======All outgoing emails are scanned by > > Symantec Anti Virus===================== > > > > ==== GEORGIA Mailing List ==== > > If you wish to unsubscribe from the Georgia list, send only the word > > UNSUBSCRIBE to GEORGIA-l-request@rootsweb.com or if you are on the Digest > > List to GEORGIA-d-request@rootsweb.com > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go > > to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > ==== GEORGIA Mailing List ==== > > If you wish to unsubscribe from the Georgia list, send only the word > > UNSUBSCRIBE to GEORGIA-l-request@rootsweb.com or if you are on the Digest > > List to GEORGIA-d-request@rootsweb.com > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > ==== GEORGIA Mailing List ==== > NOTICE: Posting of virus warnings, test messages, chain letters, political > announcements, current events, items for sale, personal messages, flames, > etc. (in other words - spam) is NOT ALLOWED and will be grounds for removal. > Consideration for exceptions, contact Kathleen Burnett kathleenburnett@earthlink.net > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

I know one of his descendents. Her grandmother was Ellen Wayles Hemmings. By the way, Sallie Hemmings was a half sister to Thomas's wife Martha. >From: whitaker@innova.net >Reply-To: GEORGIA-L@rootsweb.com >To: GEORGIA-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [GEORGIA] Related to our ancestors????????????? >Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 14:18:56 -0500 > >Thomas Jefferson's descendents are being traced through >mitochondrial DNA as that is the only kind that can >be used to trace ancestry by means of the female >line. From what I've read -- and I've read everything >I have been able to get my hands on about this -- >the only definite finding is that Patsy Hemmings >had children by Thomas Jefferson OR by one of >two of his Randolph nephews. (Thomas Jefferson >was related in multiple ways to the Randolphs as >his mother was a Randolph and one of his sisters >married a Randolph: during Jefferson's lifetime, >and for a long time afterwards, it meant a lot >more in Virginia to be related to the Randolphs >than it did to be related to Thomas Jefferson. > > > > Well, then, how are they tracing Thomas Jefferson's > > decendants? Thought that was being done by DNA. > > > > FWP > >--------------------------------------------- >Check Your Email From Any Where in the World! >http://www.myemail.com > > >==== GEORGIA Mailing List ==== >If you wish to unsubscribe from the Georgia list, send only the word >UNSUBSCRIBE to GEORGIA-l-request@rootsweb.com or if you are on the Digest >List to GEORGIA-d-request@rootsweb.com > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > _________________________________________________________________ Groove on the latest from the hot new rock groups! Get downloads, videos, and more here. http://special.msn.com/entertainment/wiredformusic.armx

You also need to take into consideration that Cleburne Co., AL is extremely mountainous terrain. In fact, I believe Mt. Cheha in the Talladega National Forest is the highest point in the state. Hank Holloway wrote: > Thanks Harold > > -----Original Message----- > From: Harold Cochran [mailto:HCOCHRAN@cfl.rr.com] > Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 4:47 PM > To: GEORGIA-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [GEORGIA] Area Travel in the 1850-1870 time frame > > I remember reading that the wagon trains went about 12 miles or so a day > going west. > > _______________________________________________ > =======All outgoing emails are scanned by > Symantec Anti Virus===================== > > ==== GEORGIA Mailing List ==== > If you wish to unsubscribe from the Georgia list, send only the word > UNSUBSCRIBE to GEORGIA-l-request@rootsweb.com or if you are on the Digest > List to GEORGIA-d-request@rootsweb.com > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go > to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > ==== GEORGIA Mailing List ==== > If you wish to unsubscribe from the Georgia list, send only the word > UNSUBSCRIBE to GEORGIA-l-request@rootsweb.com or if you are on the Digest > List to GEORGIA-d-request@rootsweb.com > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Here a few more to go with kin. Entry Word: family Function: noun Text: 1 a group of persons of or regarded as of common ancestry < traditionally all people belong to the family of Noah> Synonyms clan, folk, house, kin, kindred, lineage, race, stock, tribe Related Word brood, dynasty, line, stirp, strain; issue, offspring, progeny Idioms kith and kin, one's own flesh and blood 2 a group of usually related persons living in one house and under one head < was the only child in her family> Synonyms folks, house, household, ménage Entry Word: kin Function: noun Text: 1 Synonyms <A HREF="http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/thesaurus?book=Thesaurus&va=family">FAMILY</A> 1, clan, folk, house, kindred, lineage, race, stock, tribe 2 the members of one's immediate or extended family <all our kin gathered to celebrate great grandma's birthday> Synonyms cousinage, cousinhood, kinfolk, kinsmen 3 Synonyms <A HREF="http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/thesaurus?book=Thesaurus&va=relative">RELATIVE</A>, kinsman, kinswoman, relation

Since you are from Savannah, and you are named Eugenia. are you named after Eugenia Price of St. Simons Island? SHe was my favoite author. I have read all of her books and someday I would love to get down t hat way to see what she wrote about in her books. Nancy Meiring Holland, Ohio

Hank Yes Mount Cheaha is the highest point in Alabama, however, coming to Cleburne Co. from Georgia the terrain is not very hilly. The Tallapoosa River runs through the area and it is flatter than to the west of Heflin, AL. Wayne Finley ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hank Holloway" <henryholloway@cox.net> To: <GEORGIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 7:40 PM Subject: RE: [GEORGIA] Area Travel in the 1850-1870 time frame > Thanks Terry > > -----Original Message----- > From: Terry Jackson [mailto:jacksont@otelco.net] > Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 5:13 AM > To: GEORGIA-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [GEORGIA] Area Travel in the 1850-1870 time frame > > > You also need to take into consideration that Cleburne Co., AL is extremely > mountainous terrain. In fact, I believe Mt. Cheha in the Talladega National > Forest > is the highest point in the state. > > Hank Holloway wrote: > > > Thanks Harold > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Harold Cochran [mailto:HCOCHRAN@cfl.rr.com] > > Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 4:47 PM > > To: GEORGIA-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [GEORGIA] Area Travel in the 1850-1870 time frame > > > > I remember reading that the wagon trains went about 12 miles or so a day > > going west. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > =======All outgoing emails are scanned by > > Symantec Anti Virus===================== > > > > ==== GEORGIA Mailing List ==== > > If you wish to unsubscribe from the Georgia list, send only the word > > UNSUBSCRIBE to GEORGIA-l-request@rootsweb.com or if you are on the Digest > > List to GEORGIA-d-request@rootsweb.com > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go > > to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > ==== GEORGIA Mailing List ==== > > If you wish to unsubscribe from the Georgia list, send only the word > > UNSUBSCRIBE to GEORGIA-l-request@rootsweb.com or if you are on the Digest > > List to GEORGIA-d-request@rootsweb.com > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > ==== GEORGIA Mailing List ==== > NOTICE: Posting of virus warnings, test messages, chain letters, political > announcements, current events, items for sale, personal messages, flames, > etc. (in other words - spam) is NOT ALLOWED and will be grounds for removal. > Consideration for exceptions, contact Kathleen Burnett > kathleenburnett@earthlink.net > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go > to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > ==== GEORGIA Mailing List ==== > If you wish to unsubscribe from the Georgia list, send only the word > UNSUBSCRIBE to GEORGIA-l-request@rootsweb.com or if you are on the Digest > List to GEORGIA-d-request@rootsweb.com > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

I remember reading that the wagon trains went about 12 miles or so a day going west. _______________________________________________ =======All outgoing emails are scanned by Symantec Anti Virus=====================

> Does that help... or have I just confused things more? Oh yes, you have completly confused , not to mention things but me, also. But I love it, I will have to stay up half the night to understand what you've written. I've even asked my dog, "What did he say? I let her look over my shoulder while sitting on the bed behind me and she just cocked her head to one side and whined and laid her head down on the bed. I told her we were in for a long night. Thanks for sharing with me. Tomorrow I will be a smarter person for knowing this, or alseep one from staying up. > > By the way... I'm no expert on this and I did not sleep at the Holiday > Inn last night. <G> I may have to check in the Motel Six , what's that man's name Tom Bardett .....he might have to keep the light burning for me. :0) Sandra > > RW > >

Thanks Terry -----Original Message----- From: Terry Jackson [mailto:jacksont@otelco.net] Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 5:13 AM To: GEORGIA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GEORGIA] Area Travel in the 1850-1870 time frame You also need to take into consideration that Cleburne Co., AL is extremely mountainous terrain. In fact, I believe Mt. Cheha in the Talladega National Forest is the highest point in the state. Hank Holloway wrote: > Thanks Harold > > -----Original Message----- > From: Harold Cochran [mailto:HCOCHRAN@cfl.rr.com] > Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 4:47 PM > To: GEORGIA-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [GEORGIA] Area Travel in the 1850-1870 time frame > > I remember reading that the wagon trains went about 12 miles or so a day > going west. > > _______________________________________________ > =======All outgoing emails are scanned by > Symantec Anti Virus===================== > > ==== GEORGIA Mailing List ==== > If you wish to unsubscribe from the Georgia list, send only the word > UNSUBSCRIBE to GEORGIA-l-request@rootsweb.com or if you are on the Digest > List to GEORGIA-d-request@rootsweb.com > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go > to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > ==== GEORGIA Mailing List ==== > If you wish to unsubscribe from the Georgia list, send only the word > UNSUBSCRIBE to GEORGIA-l-request@rootsweb.com or if you are on the Digest > List to GEORGIA-d-request@rootsweb.com > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 ==== GEORGIA Mailing List ==== NOTICE: Posting of virus warnings, test messages, chain letters, political announcements, current events, items for sale, personal messages, flames, etc. (in other words - spam) is NOT ALLOWED and will be grounds for removal. Consideration for exceptions, contact Kathleen Burnett kathleenburnett@earthlink.net ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

According to my dictionary, KIN is derived from an Old English word, CYN and is related to the root GEN- as in GENEALOGY. Judy -----Original Message----- From: Harold Cochran [mailto:HCOCHRAN@cfl.rr.com] Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 11:20 PM To: GEORGIA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [GEORGIA] Kin Delilah, this might work. A lot of English words are really based in German. Kindergarten , children garden , that leads to to Kindred , meaning of children. _______________________________________________ =======All outgoing emails are scanned by Symantec Anti Virus===================== ______________________________

Thanks Harold -----Original Message----- From: Harold Cochran [mailto:HCOCHRAN@cfl.rr.com] Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 4:47 PM To: GEORGIA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GEORGIA] Area Travel in the 1850-1870 time frame I remember reading that the wagon trains went about 12 miles or so a day going west. _______________________________________________ =======All outgoing emails are scanned by Symantec Anti Virus===================== ==== GEORGIA Mailing List ==== If you wish to unsubscribe from the Georgia list, send only the word UNSUBSCRIBE to GEORGIA-l-request@rootsweb.com or if you are on the Digest List to GEORGIA-d-request@rootsweb.com ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

In a message dated 11/22/2003 11:40:43 AM Eastern Standard Time, HCOCHRAN@cfl.rr.com writes: > We have a line of descent, which is what we are searching. > The term relative may not be too relative to be "legally" kin > as prescribe by law in marriage and such, after a those three generation, > the line of descent will stay forever.************************************ With all due respect. If we are not related to our gr gr grandpapas will Southerners still have to pay money to families who had black slave ancestors? This could get to be a touchie subject. I still believe my gr grandparent's grand parents are related to me. Sandra > >

Please pass this on--this is Nola Duffy <nduffy@patch.net> Bettie <>< ------------------- With the wide circulation we can reach through a mail list, I wondered if you would please ask the people on the list to do anything they might can do to contact their local hospitals, news agencies or any other contact to alert them that if we do not find an A+ liver for my son within the next 24-48 hours, he will be gone. He is presently in the Surgical Intensive Care unit at Methodist Hospital in Houston and we have more than one plane ready to fly ANYWHERE in the country to pick up a liver and transport it or to transport my son to anyplace in the country where he might be transplanted. Our last hope and prayer is that someone that might be in a position or know someone that can help. This is my only son. As most know, my husband is also not expected to make it more than a few weeks or months and this is my only family. I simply must do what I can. We have already tried to get something on CNN, the AP, local TV, etc. but in a large place like Houston, I am afraid this is just another ho-hum story. The reason it would help to get to local hospitals around the country is because there are many possible organs that become available that are never used because the local surgeons will not harvest them unless there is the possibility they will be paid. I know that Larry Hagman, the TV star, got his liver because he paid to have it harvested. I am more than willing to pay the expenses of any local hospital that can help. As much as I hate to put my home phone on the WWW, I will do that and more to save my only child. My number is 713-523-3210. Any doctor that wants to talk to his doctor (Dr. Joseph Varon) can contact him either through the hospital intensive care at 713-790-6804 or through his answering service at 713-669-1670 Thanks, Nola

Wonderful of you to put this much time into an answer to help someone else out! Eugenia Researching Alstons in Elbert, Montgomery, Monroe and Sumter Counties, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard White" <rw@pone.com> To: <GEORGIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 4:34 AM Subject: Re: [GEORGIA] Related to our ancestors????????????? > > Sandra... > > Your mitochondrial DNA should be the same or almost the same as all of > your mother's *direct line* of female ancestors going back hundreds and > possibly thousands of years. If you have a brother, his Y-DNA should be > the same or almost the same as that of all of his *direct line* of male > ancestors going back hundreds or possibly thousands of years, though > Y-DNA is somewhat more subject to mutation than mitochondrial DNA. > There is also a general pool of DNA that any child gets in random > proportion from both parents. That pool would be fairly similar for > siblings but changes rapidly going down the generations. > > I think what your nephew was trying to say to you was that since your > direct line is such a small proportion of all of the lines you are > related to, that there is very little common DNA shared with most of > your cousins... especially way out at a 3rd cousin. However, a small > portion of your cousins... mostly female, but also a few males (ones > with the same direct line of female ancestry as you) will have exactly > or almost exactly the same mitochondrial DNA as you, as will a small > portion of your brother's male cousins (those with the same line of male > ancestry as him) have exactly or almost exactly the same Y-DNA as him. > > Your mother's mitochondrial DNA is also shared by your brother but he > cannot pass it on... and you, having no Y-DNA from your father, do not > share any with your brother. > > Even within your direct lines the total package of DNA within each > individual person will be quite a bit different. > > Of course we are related to all of our ancestors, but the share of DNA > that most of them passed on to us is very small... and I guess that at > some uncertain point in time and reproduction, the DNA from our more > distant ancestors in effect gets randomly crowded out. But a very > small percentage of our ancestors passed on a major chunk of DNA to each > of us, that is the same size and type as it was in them, and it is > either exactly the same configuration in the tiniest detail as it was in > them, or perhaps it mutated just ever so slightly over many generations > through a slight "error" in the replication process. > > Does that help... or have I just confused things more? > > By the way... I'm no expert on this and I did not sleep at the Holiday > Inn last night. <G> > > RW > > Scalawag1867@aol.com wrote: > > >I help please. > > > >I talked at length this morning with my nephew who is with the FBI. > > > >He tells me that after three generations we are no longer related to our > >ancestors. > > > >we are linked by names but not by blood. > > > >He says no one is related to one another after third cousins. > > > >My line/ancestors: > > > >James Waldrop, Sr. > >Benjamin Waldrop > >Green Berry Waldrop 1794-1854 > >Joseph Ryan Waldrop 1827-1870 > >James Harry Waldrop 190601962 > >Me. > > > >So what he is saying I am only related to Green Berry Waldrop,Benjamin > >Waldrop his papa is not related to me, I am just in his name only line. > >We are only researching our names and not who wer are related to. > > > >So if James Waldrop, Sr. and Ann hadn't married in the 1700s, would I be > >here?? Does it not take one generation to make another. > > > >He said this was taught in the FBI and DNA. > > > >Help me please.....I am not educated in this and he is. > > > >Please tell me he is wrong. > > > >Sandra > >maiden Waldrop > >Georgia > > > > > > > > ==== GEORGIA Mailing List ==== > NOTICE: Posting of virus warnings, test messages, chain letters, political > announcements, current events, items for sale, personal messages, flames, > etc. (in other words - spam) is NOT ALLOWED and will be grounds for removal. > Consideration for exceptions, contact Kathleen Burnett kathleenburnett@earthlink.net > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Thomas Jefferson's descendents are being traced through mitochondrial DNA as that is the only kind that can be used to trace ancestry by means of the female line. From what I've read -- and I've read everything I have been able to get my hands on about this -- the only definite finding is that Patsy Hemmings had children by Thomas Jefferson OR by one of two of his Randolph nephews. (Thomas Jefferson was related in multiple ways to the Randolphs as his mother was a Randolph and one of his sisters married a Randolph: during Jefferson's lifetime, and for a long time afterwards, it meant a lot more in Virginia to be related to the Randolphs than it did to be related to Thomas Jefferson. > Well, then, how are they tracing Thomas Jefferson's > decendants? Thought that was being done by DNA. > > FWP --------------------------------------------- Check Your Email From Any Where in the World! http://www.myemail.com

Canton is Cherokee Co..,GA

Good Morning to All, Can anyone tell me the approximate distance people could travel in one day during the time frame above. I'm particularly interested in the area between Carroll County GA and what are now "Cleburne/Randolph Counties, AL. Thanks to all for a great site. Hank Holloway

Delilah, this might work. A lot of English words are really based in German. Kindergarten , children garden , that leads to to Kindred , meaning of children. _______________________________________________ =======All outgoing emails are scanned by Symantec Anti Virus=====================

I think what the FBI brother was saying is that to determine who the actual father of a child is, is only good for three generations. After 3 generations they can not tell who the exact father is. That does not mean that the DNA markers can still tell what line you came from. For instant if your last name is Harvey and you believe you are descended from a Harvey who came to the USA in the 1600's. A Dna test will tell ,if you are a male, if you descend from a direct line to the male Harvey who came to the US in the 1600's. His DNA and your DNA will have the same markers. It can also tell how many generations two individuals have that descend from that ancestor or in other words who are their most common ancestor. That does not tell you who the exact person was you descend from. If the imigrant Harvey had a borther in the US also you would come from either one the DNA could not tell you which one you came from after 3 generations. If the Immigrant had 10 sons the DNA would not tell you which son you came from After 3 generations but it could tell you only that you have identical DNA as the father and all 10 sons. If your grandfather had 10 sons and you did not know who your father was but you knew you came from the grandfather a DNA test could tell you the exact person your father was if there are 3 generations or less. Thats probably what the brother from the FBI was trying to say. Greg Simmons

Ha, Holiday Inn indeed! Very cute there RW.