Hi, everyone has been so nice trying to find information on my Benjamin Kitchens maybe I can do this for you, hope it helps. Benjamin's War of 1812 records show that he was listed as a fifer in Wooten's Detachment of Capt. John G. Smith's company of infantry, detached regiment of Malitia. Arrived at Ft. Hawkins DEC 9.1814. Service expired on Feb. 7, 1815 38 miles from FT Hawkins to his residence, 2 days traveling times to his residence time of service charged one month 30 days 18 cents for rations, nine dollars per months, 36 cents substance total of 18.06. He lived in Millidgeville at the time. So I have no idea what his travel mode was, but I hope a horse, so what do you thing 18 miles per day?:? Hawkinsville is now in Johnson CO. Thank everyone for all your help, this is a great list! Gwen and Al Kitchens

I think it would be interested to know how they lived and survived the trip. delilah ----- Original Message ----- From: "brenda" <[email protected]> To: "Georgia Roots" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 9:16 AM Subject: [GEORGIA] DIARY OF AN 1858 WAGON TRAIN JOURNEY |I have a copy of a Diary on a trip made from Lincoln Co. NC. to Pope Co. AR in 1858. The copy was transcribe by a Blackburn descendant which still lives in Pope Co. AR. | | They left 5th Oct 1858 from Lincoln co. NC and arrived in Pope Co. Ar. 2nd Jan 1859, this was close to 1000 miles in distance. It is a long Diary I think close to 20 pages and I think to long to place on this page. | | It also doesn't concern GA and their travel, but it is interesting reading. | | Brenda | | ------------------------------- | To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message |

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Brenda, was there a Cox surname mentioned? Thank, Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: brenda To: Georgia Roots Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 8:16 AM Subject: [GEORGIA] DIARY OF AN 1858 WAGON TRAIN JOURNEY I have a copy of a Diary on a trip made from Lincoln Co. NC. to Pope Co. AR in 1858. The copy was transcribe by a Blackburn descendant which still lives in Pope Co. AR. They left 5th Oct 1858 from Lincoln co. NC and arrived in Pope Co. Ar. 2nd Jan 1859, this was close to 1000 miles in distance. It is a long Diary I think close to 20 pages and I think to long to place on this page. It also doesn't concern GA and their travel, but it is interesting reading. Brenda ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.13.0/465 - Release Date: 10/6/2006

Delilah, If your Groovers are the same as mine, the Salzberger brothers John and Solomon aren't yours. I think your immigrant Peter Groover is the one who landed in NC instead of the one who came to Georgia. Sorry. Linda in Marietta ----- Original Message ----- From: "Delilah" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 10:35 AM Subject: Re: [GEORGIA] Early Time Travel > Where did you get this information - GROOVER is my family > delilah evans > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "bert bass" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 12:23 AM > Subject: Re: [GEORGIA] Early Time Travel > > > | This doesn't give any times but it does show the spirit of these early > | pioneers > | > | "The fainthearted might shudder at the adventuresome spirit which was > still > | burning bright in the Groovers; who after a century in the approximate > area > | of their settlement upon reaching America, would uproot and relocate in > | regions far from their original homestead. The Groovers who migrated to > | Thomas and Lowndes Counties were of this breed. These bold pioneers had > no > | guarantee of success or support when they divested themselves of their > | property, holdings and friends and relatives and moved on. > | > | We have here a breed of pioneers embarking upon a New Land with barely any > | law as there were few white settlers in this area; an area, the title of > | which had only recently in1818 passed from the Federal Government to the > | State of Georgia. > | > | John Groover, Jr., his brother Solomon and their families were some of the > | stout hearted who were willing to leave their established homes and farms > in > | Bulloch and Bryan Counties and brave dense forests, wild animals and > | treacherous indians who still frequented the area in hunting parties." > | > | > | ----- Original Message ----- > | From: "John M OMelia" <[email protected]> > | To: <[email protected]> > | Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 5:24 PM > | Subject: [GEORGIA] Early Time Travel > | > | > | > Early travel in GA during the 1700`s and 1800`s took a lot of time and > | > several miles between point A and point B. > | > > | > Is there anyone privy to old diaries that pointedly describe how many > | > miles one could make in a day? I realize that as time went by and the > | > new counties were cut from the old counties it became easier to travel > | > better and farther. > | > > | > But I have not been able to find any defined text that pertained to the > | > problems of early travel in GA. > | > > | > Looking forward to any comments on early travel. > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > ------------------------------- > | > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > | > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > | > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > | > > | > | -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ > | I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. > | It has removed 555 spam emails to date. > | Paying users do not have this message in their emails. > | Try SPAMfighter for free now! > | > | > | > | ------------------------------- > | To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > | > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I don't know what I have heard that they waited until the ground was frozen so the wagons would not get stuck in the mud. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Cc: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 1:08 PM Subject: Re: [GEORGIA] DIARY OF AN 1858 WAGON TRAIN JOURNEY > Sharon > > The Diary doesn't tell why they left as late in the year, but I would suspect that they stayed in the area of Lincoln Co. long enough to get their fields in and sold for the profit to use for their trip. > > Brenda > > > ---- Sharon wrote: > > Brenda, > > Please do tell the reason they left so late in the year. > > Thanks, Sharon > > > > > > To: Georgia > > Sent: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 9:16 AM > > Subject: [GEORGIA] DIARY OF AN 1858 WAGON TRAIN JOURNEY > > > > > > I have a copy of a Diary on a trip made from Lincoln Co. NC. to Pope Co. AR in > > 1858. The copy was transcribe by a Blackburn descendant which still lives in > > Pope Co. AR. > > > > They left the Oct 1858 from Lincoln co. NC and arrived in Pope Co. AR. 2nd Jan > > 1859, this was close to 1000 miles in distance. It is a long Diary I think > > close to 20 pages and I think to long to place on this page. > > > > It also doesn't concern GA and their travel, but it is interesting reading. > > > > Brenda > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GEORGIA-request with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Sharon The Diary doesn't tell why they left as late in the year, but I would suspect that they stayed in the area of Lincoln Co. long enough to get their fields in and sold for the profit to use for their trip. Brenda ---- Sharon wrote: > Brenda, > Please do tell the reason they left so late in the year. > Thanks, Sharon > > > To: Georgia > Sent: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 9:16 AM > Subject: [GEORGIA] DIARY OF AN 1858 WAGON TRAIN JOURNEY > > > I have a copy of a Diary on a trip made from Lincoln Co. NC. to Pope Co. AR in > 1858. The copy was transcribe by a Blackburn descendant which still lives in > Pope Co. AR. > > They left the Oct 1858 from Lincoln co. NC and arrived in Pope Co. AR. 2nd Jan > 1859, this was close to 1000 miles in distance. It is a long Diary I think > close to 20 pages and I think to long to place on this page. > > It also doesn't concern GA and their travel, but it is interesting reading. > > Brenda > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GEORGIA-request with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Brenda, Please do tell the reason they left so late in the year. Thanks, Sharon To: [email protected] Sent: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 9:16 AM Subject: [GEORGIA] DIARY OF AN 1858 WAGON TRAIN JOURNEY I have a copy of a Diary on a trip made from Lincoln Co. NC. to Pope Co. AR in 1858. The copy was transcribe by a Blackburn descendant which still lives in Pope Co. AR. They left 5th Oct 1858 from Lincoln co. NC and arrived in Pope Co. Ar. 2nd Jan 1859, this was close to 1000 miles in distance. It is a long Diary I think close to 20 pages and I think to long to place on this page. It also doesn't concern GA and their travel, but it is interesting reading. Brenda ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more.

Where did you get this information - GROOVER is my family delilah evans ----- Original Message ----- From: "bert bass" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 12:23 AM Subject: Re: [GEORGIA] Early Time Travel | This doesn't give any times but it does show the spirit of these early | pioneers | | "The fainthearted might shudder at the adventuresome spirit which was still | burning bright in the Groovers; who after a century in the approximate area | of their settlement upon reaching America, would uproot and relocate in | regions far from their original homestead. The Groovers who migrated to | Thomas and Lowndes Counties were of this breed. These bold pioneers had no | guarantee of success or support when they divested themselves of their | property, holdings and friends and relatives and moved on. | | We have here a breed of pioneers embarking upon a New Land with barely any | law as there were few white settlers in this area; an area, the title of | which had only recently in1818 passed from the Federal Government to the | State of Georgia. | | John Groover, Jr., his brother Solomon and their families were some of the | stout hearted who were willing to leave their established homes and farms in | Bulloch and Bryan Counties and brave dense forests, wild animals and | treacherous indians who still frequented the area in hunting parties." | | | ----- Original Message ----- | From: "John M OMelia" <[email protected]> | To: <[email protected]> | Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 5:24 PM | Subject: [GEORGIA] Early Time Travel | | | > Early travel in GA during the 1700`s and 1800`s took a lot of time and | > several miles between point A and point B. | > | > Is there anyone privy to old diaries that pointedly describe how many | > miles one could make in a day? I realize that as time went by and the | > new counties were cut from the old counties it became easier to travel | > better and farther. | > | > But I have not been able to find any defined text that pertained to the | > problems of early travel in GA. | > | > Looking forward to any comments on early travel. | > | > | > | > | > ------------------------------- | > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to | > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the | > quotes in the subject and the body of the message | > | | -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- | I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. | It has removed 555 spam emails to date. | Paying users do not have this message in their emails. | Try SPAMfighter for free now! | | | | ------------------------------- | To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message |

If you do transcribe the diary, I would love to read it. It would make facinating reading. Ellen On 10/6/06, brenda <[email protected]> wrote: > I have a copy of a Diary on a trip made from Lincoln Co. NC. to Pope Co. AR in 1858. The copy was transcribe by a Blackburn descendant which still lives in Pope Co. AR. > > They left 5th Oct 1858 from Lincoln co. NC and arrived in Pope Co. Ar. 2nd Jan 1859, this was close to 1000 miles in distance. It is a long Diary I think close to 20 pages and I think to long to place on this page. > > It also doesn't concern GA and their travel, but it is interesting reading. > > Brenda > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I have a copy of a Diary on a trip made from Lincoln Co. NC. to Pope Co. AR in 1858. The copy was transcribe by a Blackburn descendant which still lives in Pope Co. AR. They left 5th Oct 1858 from Lincoln co. NC and arrived in Pope Co. Ar. 2nd Jan 1859, this was close to 1000 miles in distance. It is a long Diary I think close to 20 pages and I think to long to place on this page. It also doesn't concern GA and their travel, but it is interesting reading. Brenda

This doesn't give any times but it does show the spirit of these early pioneers "The fainthearted might shudder at the adventuresome spirit which was still burning bright in the Groovers; who after a century in the approximate area of their settlement upon reaching America, would uproot and relocate in regions far from their original homestead. The Groovers who migrated to Thomas and Lowndes Counties were of this breed. These bold pioneers had no guarantee of success or support when they divested themselves of their property, holdings and friends and relatives and moved on. We have here a breed of pioneers embarking upon a New Land with barely any law as there were few white settlers in this area; an area, the title of which had only recently in1818 passed from the Federal Government to the State of Georgia. John Groover, Jr., his brother Solomon and their families were some of the stout hearted who were willing to leave their established homes and farms in Bulloch and Bryan Counties and brave dense forests, wild animals and treacherous indians who still frequented the area in hunting parties." ----- Original Message ----- From: "John M OMelia" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 5:24 PM Subject: [GEORGIA] Early Time Travel > Early travel in GA during the 1700`s and 1800`s took a lot of time and > several miles between point A and point B. > > Is there anyone privy to old diaries that pointedly describe how many > miles one could make in a day? I realize that as time went by and the > new counties were cut from the old counties it became easier to travel > better and farther. > > But I have not been able to find any defined text that pertained to the > problems of early travel in GA. > > Looking forward to any comments on early travel. > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 555 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try SPAMfighter for free now!

James Groover, was born, reared and married in Bulloch County, Georgia. From there he came to Southwestern Georgia, making his way thither with teams, bringing with him all of his worldly possessions, including his household goods, his stock and his slaves. He located in that part of Irwin county that was later made into Lowndes county, and has since become a part of Brooks county. Buying a tract of timber, he erected a rude log house in the wilderness, and later sawed boards to seal the house and floors. For many years thereafter there were no railroads in this section of the country, all of the cotton produced being hauled to the gulf ports, fifty miles away, it taking a week to make the round trip. Indians were then numerous, and deer, bear and wild game of all kinds inhabited the deep woods. Bert Bass ----- Original Message ----- From: "John M OMelia" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 5:24 PM Subject: [GEORGIA] Early Time Travel > Early travel in GA during the 1700`s and 1800`s took a lot of time and > several miles between point A and point B. > > Is there anyone privy to old diaries that pointedly describe how many > miles one could make in a day? I realize that as time went by and the > new counties were cut from the old counties it became easier to travel > better and farther. > > But I have not been able to find any defined text that pertained to the > problems of early travel in GA. > > Looking forward to any comments on early travel. > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 555 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try SPAMfighter for free now!

A cousin was told by her father that he and the grandfather used to travel from Forsyth Co. to Atlanta to get supplies, probably around 1900 or earlier. It was a two day trip. The first day they would get there and load up, spend the night since it would be so late, then go back home the next day. Today it is probably no more than a 45 minute trip one way. Pat

WE ALSO WOULD *JUST LOVE* ANY OLD INTEL LIKE THIS, AND ANYTHING ON EARLY PIONEERS TO THE *TUSCALOOSA, AL AREAS* ????????? -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Betty lovell Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 9:13 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [GEORGIA] Early Time Travel my dad told me about when his dad was about 10(1888) he and his dad left Straight Mt near ST Clair Blount county line near Springville It took them 3 days and sleeping in wagon at night Betty ----- Original Message ----- From: "John M OMelia" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 3:24 PM Subject: [GEORGIA] Early Time Travel > Early travel in GA during the 1700`s and 1800`s took a lot of time and > several miles between point A and point B. > > Is there anyone privy to old diaries that pointedly describe how many > miles one could make in a day? I realize that as time went by and the > new counties were cut from the old counties it became easier to travel > better and farther. > > But I have not been able to find any defined text that pertained to the > problems of early travel in GA. > > Looking forward to any comments on early travel. > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.9/458 - Release Date: 9/27/2006 > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Early travel in GA during the 1700`s and 1800`s took a lot of time and several miles between point A and point B. Is there anyone privy to old diaries that pointedly describe how many miles one could make in a day? I realize that as time went by and the new counties were cut from the old counties it became easier to travel better and farther. But I have not been able to find any defined text that pertained to the problems of early travel in GA. Looking forward to any comments on early travel.

my dad told me about when his dad was about 10(1888) he and his dad left Straight Mt near ST Clair Blount county line near Springville It took them 3 days and sleeping in wagon at night Betty ----- Original Message ----- From: "John M OMelia" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 3:24 PM Subject: [GEORGIA] Early Time Travel > Early travel in GA during the 1700`s and 1800`s took a lot of time and > several miles between point A and point B. > > Is there anyone privy to old diaries that pointedly describe how many > miles one could make in a day? I realize that as time went by and the > new counties were cut from the old counties it became easier to travel > better and farther. > > But I have not been able to find any defined text that pertained to the > problems of early travel in GA. > > Looking forward to any comments on early travel. > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.9/458 - Release Date: 9/27/2006 > >

No I don't have ancestry.com but a computer cousin does. She tracks everything about the Fords. Some of the Fords in Calhoun Alabama are related to my line. William A. Ford was married in September, 1875 in Dade County Georgia. He was my GGGrandfather's brother. If it was him his wife forgave him because he was married to the same wife his whole life. Thanks. On 10/5/06, Kays Email <[email protected]> wrote: > > I'm not researching the Fords. The Atkinson name came up, and that was my > mother's maiden name. I'll see what I can find for you on the Ford's. Do > you have Ancestry.com? If you do, you probably can get what I can. Let > me > know. Kay (Fiveash) ----- > From: "Betty Jean Jones" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 9:36 PM > Subject: Re: [GEORGIA] Archives > > > > Are you researching the Fords? I am. I have a W. A. Ford, but he was in > > Dade County, Georgia in 1880. Betty > > > > On 10/3/06, Kays Email <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> I love the Archives. Alabama, Calhoun Co. > >> Read where W.A. Ford, charged with seduction of his wife's niece, Miss > >> Atkinson of Spalding Ga., has been arrested at Knoxville. He is now in > >> jail. > >> The Chattanooa Times, Oct. 4, 1884 > >> > >> Wonder if Miss Atkinson is related. Griffin, Ga. Spalding Co. holds a > >> lot > >> of relatives. Interesting. > >> Kay (Fiveash) > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I'm not researching the Fords. The Atkinson name came up, and that was my mother's maiden name. I'll see what I can find for you on the Ford's. Do you have Ancestry.com? If you do, you probably can get what I can. Let me know. Kay (Fiveash) ----- From: "Betty Jean Jones" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 9:36 PM Subject: Re: [GEORGIA] Archives > Are you researching the Fords? I am. I have a W. A. Ford, but he was in > Dade County, Georgia in 1880. Betty > > On 10/3/06, Kays Email <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> I love the Archives. Alabama, Calhoun Co. >> Read where W.A. Ford, charged with seduction of his wife's niece, Miss >> Atkinson of Spalding Ga., has been arrested at Knoxville. He is now in >> jail. >> The Chattanooa Times, Oct. 4, 1884 >> >> Wonder if Miss Atkinson is related. Griffin, Ga. Spalding Co. holds a >> lot >> of relatives. Interesting. >> Kay (Fiveash) >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Kithnens is not my tea, but I can prove the change of name back and forth with Catchings in early Georgia records. Go to a good library with genealogy holdings and study the "Wilkes County, Georgia Tax Records, 1785-1805", by Frank Parker Hudson.