I found an E B Lamar in Bibb Co., Ga on the 1850 Federal Census Slave Schedule. I can send you a copy of the page if this is who you are looking for. >From: Harold Stephens <[email protected]> >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [GEORGIA] Information on Lamar, EUGENE >Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 20:20:23 -0700 (PDT) > >I checked the Stewart Co., Ga. History by Dixon and >there are a lot of Lamar's there but no Eugene. Maby >some would do an Ancestor search for you on that name? >I do not have 'ancestor' search, but know some one >who does and will be happy to help. If need it, let >me know, ok? Harold Stephens > >--- [email protected] wrote: > > > I am looking for information on Eugene Lamar born > > approximately 1750 (give > > or take 5 to 10 years--before or after date). He is > > possibly the slave owner > > to my ancestors. I am also interested in > > information on Cuffie and Littie > > (Lydia or Liddie) Lamar who are born around 1795 . > > I believe Cuffie and Littie > > were born in Africa but lived in Georgia (shows in > > 1870 census). Any > > information that you can provide would be greatly > > appreciated. > > > > Melanie > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > > to [email protected] with the word > > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > > the body of the message > > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Try Search Survival Kits: Fix up your home and better handle your cash with Live Search! http://imagine-windowslive.com/search/kits/default.aspx?kit=improve&locale=en-US&source=hmtagline

Harold, The Thomas Holada I referenced had no family living with him in the 1850 Census. If he had a wife she may have died prior to 1850. Thomas was listed as an Overseer in the household of Mr. Pitman. Jackie In a message dated 10/21/2006 11:04:45 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: The Thomas C. Halliday that I requested info of had a wife, Mary- is this the same person? I have coppies of deeds for the above and they to Randolph, which later became Stewart.They came from Dooly Co. to Randolpg about 1835 or so- at leasr bought land then. Harold --- [email protected] wrote: > > Harold, > > There is a listing in 1850 Randolph county, District > 8 for Thomas Holada, > age 50, born SC, who was an Overseer in the > household listing for John R. > Pitman, 41, born NC. (Roll:M432_81, page 404) > There is also a Thomas W. Holada, age 23, born in > GA, with an infant son, > Thomas J. Holada, 8/12, in the household. > > Hope this helps. > Jackie > > > > In a message dated 10/21/2006 11:27:12 A.M. Eastern > Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > Can someone do a lookup in 1850 census for Thomas > C. > Halliday in Randolph Co.? It would be greatly > appreciated- Harold Stephens in Calif. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the > body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Not finding anything on any of these names. Where in Georgia were Cuffie and Littie living in the 1870 census? ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 4:59 PM Subject: [GEORGIA] Information on Lamar, EUGENE > I am looking for information on Eugene Lamar born approximately 1750 (give > or take 5 to 10 years--before or after date). He is possibly the slave owner > to my ancestors. I am also interested in information on Cuffie and Littie > (Lydia or Liddie) Lamar who are born around 1795 . I believe Cuffie and Littie > were born in Africa but lived in Georgia (shows in 1870 census). Any > information that you can provide would be greatly appreciated. > > Melanie > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.9/490 - Release Date: 10/20/2006 > >

Allen, Pretty sure that 1858 is right. Who was the informant on JJ's death certificate? I think I would trust the information James himself gave to the census taker in at least 1900 through 1930 before that given by someone else. In 1860, the elder James Dickerson and his wife, Jane/Jincy, were in Cobb County suffering from the census taker's wretched initial syndrome: JJ - born 1817 in SC Jane - 1820 - born GA (everybody else) ME - 1842 SE - 1843 SMJ - 1846 L? - 1847 MA - 1850 E - 1852 P? - 1855 JJ - 1857 (the only male child) P - 1859 In 1870, names were given, but all these gals were giving themselves much later birth years than their parents gave them in 1860. Still in Cobb: James - 1820 in SC Jane - 1822 Martha E. - 1848 Sarah J. - 1851 Louisa - 1852 Minerva - 1854 Emeline - 1856 Almeda - 1857 James J. - 1859 Atha L. - 1862 You've seen the 1880 census - still in Cobb: JJ - 1818 Jincy - 1819 Sarah - 1852 Eveline - 1854 JAMES - 1858 Almeda - 1860 Lena - 1862 Hmmmm. . . . . being an old maid apparently bothered Almeda more than the other girls. She, who was at least two years older than James J, was suddenly two years YOUNGER! You've also seen the 1900 census for your James J. and family. The family next door, in case you missed it, consisted of: Jane Dickerson, head; born June 1847, age 52 Evvie? (Evie?, sister; born Dec 1850, age 50 Almeda G., sister; born Feb 1854, age 46 Mary M. niece; born Sep 1884, age 15 Jeff D., nephew; born Apr 1894, age 6 (all shown as single) In spite of the differences in ages throughout the census years, I feel certain that the Dickerson women living next door to James in 1900 were his older sisters. Jeff D., who was in the household of his aunt Jane in the 1900 census, was living with your James and family in 1910. His relationship to James was the same as his relationship to Jane Dickerson - nephew. Because JJ's children are listed in the 1900 and 1910 census with him, I am certain that he is the correct James J. Dickerson. Because of the relationship between Jeff Dickerson and his aunt, Jane, and his uncle, your James J., and because your James J., had a sister named Almeda, I am also certain that your James J. is the one who was living in Cobb County in 1860, 1870, and 1880. His father was apparently also named James J., and his mother was Jane who may or may not have been Lucinda Jane. I hope this helps you to finally put that aggravating birth year puzzle to bed. Good luck! Linda in Marietta ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 12:42 PM Subject: [GEORGIA] More (or less) on James J. DICKERSON? > Hi, > > The more I find on this fellow, the less I know. > > He (James J.) is caucasian and is buried in New Hope Cemetery, with three > of his children: Emma, Charles, and Noble. He was married to the former Mary > Kimbrough, but she seems to have died before 1900. > > According to: > http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/ga/dekalb/cemeteries/newhope2.txt > > the headstone of this James J. Dickerson states that he was born Aug 27, > 1867. > > But I found him in the 1900 Atlanta Census as having been born in "Aug 1858* > " - so right month, different year. > > I finally managed to get his D-C (died Dec 18, 1936 in Buckhead, GA, Fulton > County) and it states he is (correctly) buried in New Hope Cemetery (but age > of 63, widowed). And his birthdate is given here as Aug 17, 1873. > > His D-C states that his parents were Jim Dickerson and Lucindy (nee) > Cochran. I found a tempting 1880 Census connection (in Marietta), which has a > possible James Dickerson born in 1858*, but the mother's name is listed as Jincy > Dickerson (father James). Is it possible that "Jincy" is another rendering for > "Lucindy"? > > So, I now have three different birth-years for him: 1858, 1867, and 1873. > At least he was always born in August. > > Oh, his daughter worked in the pencil factory. > > Allen > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.9/490 - Release Date: 10/20/2006 > >

I checked the Stewart Co., Ga. History by Dixon and there are a lot of Lamar's there but no Eugene. Maby some would do an Ancestor search for you on that name? I do not have 'ancestor' search, but know some one who does and will be happy to help. If need it, let me know, ok? Harold Stephens --- [email protected] wrote: > I am looking for information on Eugene Lamar born > approximately 1750 (give > or take 5 to 10 years--before or after date). He is > possibly the slave owner > to my ancestors. I am also interested in > information on Cuffie and Littie > (Lydia or Liddie) Lamar who are born around 1795 . > I believe Cuffie and Littie > were born in Africa but lived in Georgia (shows in > 1870 census). Any > information that you can provide would be greatly > appreciated. > > Melanie > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message >

Hey Anne, I know exactly where Brooksville is!! We grew up in Tampa!! Have a bro. just east of you near Dade city. Good to hear from Fla.! Harold- been through there on 41 many times!! --- Anne Brown <[email protected]> wrote: > Harold, > You are so right! > Anne > Brooksville, FL > Just north of Tampa > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Harold Stephens" > <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 1:18 AM > Subject: Re: [GEORGIA] Teachers > > > > The problem with kids today is the fact that they > are > > not taught respect at home- so why should they > respect > > anyone? Had a teacher at Suphur Springs School in > > Tampa, Fl. to tell the class- they way you conduct > > your self in class is the way you conduct yourself > at > > home- so the bottom line is the parents!! More to > > being a parent than bringing kidsa into the > world!! > > Harold Stephens( soon to be 80) > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message >

How can I help in your Fountain search? Harold Stephens --- Virginia Alexander <[email protected]> wrote: > I am a May descendant. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kemis Massey" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 8:43 AM > Subject: Re: [GEORGIA] Teaching math > > > > Schools in Muscogee County don't allow the kids to > use them. They have to > > know how to do the math. > > > > I know from personal experience, I've mis-filed (I > know it's up there > > somewhere) how to do the math. I'm a financial > person - the calculator is > > part of me. My hubbie is a general contractor - > the stuff he adds in his > > head. > > > > Happy Family Hunting, > > kemis massey > > [email protected] > > > > Researching: > > for hubbie: MASSEY, BROOKS, FOUNTAIN, SMITH > > for me: SONGER, CAMP, EVANS, ROSAMOND, IV(E)Y, > MAYS > > Sobby Genealogy > > > http://freepages.family.rootsweb.com/~sobbygenealogy/ > > > > for preservation: CLAPP Cemetery, Community, > Factory, and Families - > > Muscogee County > > for GAGen Web Project: any info (county, > family, history, industry) > > on: > > Chattahoochee County, GA > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gachatta/index.htm > > Clayton County, GA > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gaclayt2/index.htm > > Muscogee County, GA > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gamuscog/ > > > > for AHPG Project: any info (county, family, > history, industry) on: > > Clayton County, GA > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gaclayto/ > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > > From: John When in graduate school, I was amazed > when the > > instructor said we no longer had to teach the math > > tables. Every kid has a pocket calculator now. > > But I love math! It has a discipline all its own. > > John > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > > Betty lovell <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > The calculator did away with adding and > subtraction. > > It's not in the gray > > matter. > > Betty > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to > > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.9/490 - > Release Date: 10/20/2006 > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message >

The Thomas C. Halliday that I requested info of had a wife, Mary- is this the same person? I have coppies of deeds for the above and they to Randolph, which later became Stewart.They came from Dooly Co. to Randolpg about 1835 or so- at leasr bought land then. Harold --- [email protected] wrote: > > Harold, > > There is a listing in 1850 Randolph county, District > 8 for Thomas Holada, > age 50, born SC, who was an Overseer in the > household listing for John R. > Pitman, 41, born NC. (Roll:M432_81, page 404) > There is also a Thomas W. Holada, age 23, born in > GA, with an infant son, > Thomas J. Holada, 8/12, in the household. > > Hope this helps. > Jackie > > > > In a message dated 10/21/2006 11:27:12 A.M. Eastern > Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > Can someone do a lookup in 1850 census for Thomas > C. > Halliday in Randolph Co.? It would be greatly > appreciated- Harold Stephens in Calif. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the > body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message >

Harold, You are so right! Anne Brooksville, FL Just north of Tampa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harold Stephens" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 1:18 AM Subject: Re: [GEORGIA] Teachers > The problem with kids today is the fact that they are > not taught respect at home- so why should they respect > anyone? Had a teacher at Suphur Springs School in > Tampa, Fl. to tell the class- they way you conduct > your self in class is the way you conduct yourself at > home- so the bottom line is the parents!! More to > being a parent than bringing kidsa into the world!! > Harold Stephens( soon to be 80)

I am a May descendant. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kemis Massey" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 8:43 AM Subject: Re: [GEORGIA] Teaching math > Schools in Muscogee County don't allow the kids to use them. They have to > know how to do the math. > > I know from personal experience, I've mis-filed (I know it's up there > somewhere) how to do the math. I'm a financial person - the calculator is > part of me. My hubbie is a general contractor - the stuff he adds in his > head. > > Happy Family Hunting, > kemis massey > [email protected] > > Researching: > for hubbie: MASSEY, BROOKS, FOUNTAIN, SMITH > for me: SONGER, CAMP, EVANS, ROSAMOND, IV(E)Y, MAYS > Sobby Genealogy > http://freepages.family.rootsweb.com/~sobbygenealogy/ > > for preservation: CLAPP Cemetery, Community, Factory, and Families - > Muscogee County > for GAGen Web Project: any info (county, family, history, industry) > on: > Chattahoochee County, GA http://www.rootsweb.com/~gachatta/index.htm > Clayton County, GA > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gaclayt2/index.htm > Muscogee County, GA http://www.rootsweb.com/~gamuscog/ > > for AHPG Project: any info (county, family, history, industry) on: > Clayton County, GA http://www.rootsweb.com/~gaclayto/ > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > From: John When in graduate school, I was amazed when the > instructor said we no longer had to teach the math > tables. Every kid has a pocket calculator now. > But I love math! It has a discipline all its own. > John > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > Betty lovell <[email protected]> wrote: > > The calculator did away with adding and subtraction. > It's not in the gray > matter. > Betty > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.9/490 - Release Date: 10/20/2006 > >

I am looking for information on Eugene Lamar born approximately 1750 (give or take 5 to 10 years--before or after date). He is possibly the slave owner to my ancestors. I am also interested in information on Cuffie and Littie (Lydia or Liddie) Lamar who are born around 1795 . I believe Cuffie and Littie were born in Africa but lived in Georgia (shows in 1870 census). Any information that you can provide would be greatly appreciated. Melanie

Thank you so much for sharing this with us!!!! I am a "tired" (retired) teacher but I would not exchange my time in the classroom for any other job!!! Sometime it was just that a job but most of the time it was a joy!!!!! I was a high school Social Studies teacher. Billie Holt -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 10:44 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [GEORGIA] Teachers Teachers have always been overworked and under paid. And at one time teachers were highly respected and appreciated. And you are right when you say parents are partly to blame. But I put most of the blame on the government and the bleeding hearts. At one time, parents and teachers were the deciding factor in how their schools were run and how their children were taught. But then this control was taken out of their hands and we were told what to teach, how to teach, how we could control the behavior of the students. Teachers were chosen on their ability to teach and on their character. They had strict rules to live by and I would say that over 95% of them were dedicated and gave their profession the top rung. Then, we faced prison terms if we were blamed for discipling a student. How many times, in the 60., I was told by a student if I made him remain after school or have extra work to do for misbehaving then his parents would put me in jail. I have lived raising my own children, helping my grandchildren and now I am tutoring my great grandchildren. I have told all of them, if you misbehave in school just wait until you get home. Their parents do the same. They teach their children to respect the authority of their teachers. But now, it is so easy to blame the teacher for their children's failures. My grandchildren and their spouses work but they still keep control of their children. So when we pass around the blame we should start with ourselves for letting the schools get in the condition that they are in. When will parents wake up? Guards in schools, lock downs because of bomb threats, lock downs with students with guns or knives. Now when one student is caught and the Principle or teachers take control, they are subjected to reducible, questioning, and go through trying times. And it is the same with the police. They do not receive the same treatment the criminals do. I retired early in 1968 simply because I could not endure the upheaval that was placed upon the teachers. So I went to a private school where rules were made to be obeyed for the good of everyone. Who suffers for all this? The students. Some care and take the reins of their own lives and learn preparing them for a future, others just simply enjoy today and give no thought for their future. Why are children today not being achievers? They are bored and nothing inspiring to fill their time. No chores, no responsibilities, just money handed to them and left to roam the streets. Then parents wring their hands crying and saying, what could I do? I would have gone to jail if I had punished my child or I would have had to face charges. This is the cry that I have heard many times over. The good old days were not the best but when my parents finished the eight grade in the early 1900, s they had an education. That education was filled with the desire to learn more. When I finished college and signed my contract to teach, I was sure puffed up. I was the best teacher in the whole world. On the first day of teaching, I stood before that class dumbfounded and not a clue of what to do. At the end of that day, I cried to my father that I didn't know anything. His remark was" your education is just beginning, now take hold and become the best teacher in the world" I shall never forget the student who saved the day for me. His name was Robert Preston, a fourth grader, who must have realized my dilemma and said" Miss Roberts don't you want to call the roll?" That brought me to my senses and so that day was the greatest of my life. I realized then that I had a lot to learn and I set my goals and proceed down my life,s dream. Rambling? Yes, I am. But what memories, all these messages have brought back. And I will not give up on our students of today. Some of them will take the reins and carry this country back to its " old timey beliefs, Honer, Integrity, pride of being an American. Doing what is best for our country and our citizens. Now is the time for each to examine our lives and say " where do we want this country to go?" What can we do to give the best to our children? How can we make their lives better, safer, and more secure? I shall end and hope that I have not offended anyone. That is not my intention. Just sharing the hopes and fears of an old senior citizen who has been there and lived it. Pat ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

> > From: "Delilah" <[email protected]> > Date: 2006/10/21 Sat PM 02:02:23 EDT > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [GEORGIA] Fw: Chattahoochee County Records > > it according to what age he was when adopted, his name may of been changed > to the adopted parents, so I would serach the SHEPPERD records, also all > legal actions have to be published, so if you have a time about when he was > adopted about 90 days prior to that, it would of had to be published in some > newspaper that an adoption was going to be and if anyone objected, then a > date would be set - give some more info on each of the names > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kemis Massey" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; > <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> > Cc: "Carolyn Carter" <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 11:10 PM > Subject: [GEORGIA] Fw: Chattahoochee County Records > > > | Hi all, > | > | Do anyone have info that could help Carolyn? > | > | kemis > | > | ----- Original Message ----- > | From: Carolyn Carter > | To: [email protected] > | > | Do you think there would be any records of an adoption in Chattahoochee > County in the early 1800s? I have just found that a relative that we have > been unable to locate was adopted by an Andrew Sheppard sometime after 1830 > and before 1850. We are looking for information on the Sheppard family and > Patrick Henry Carter, the adoptee. > | > | Thanks for any help you can give us. > | Sue Carter > | > | > | ------------------------------- > | To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > | > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ============================================================ ============================================================ Remember that Chattahoochee County was not formed until 1854 so any records (IF any) will be in the county/counties from which it was formed. Also, this area was a part of the 1827 Georgia Land lottery and the Native Americans were not all removed until 1832-1838. I doubt that there would have been a published notice of adoption this early in the area's history. However, there you may find a record in the Ordinary's (now Probate)Court. And there may never have been a "formal" adoption at all. God luck, Jimmy

I looked at the Chattahoochee GenWeb records and saw some interesting articles on Andrew Sheppard including the article regarding the "adoption" of Pat Carter which was written about in the "History of Chattahoochee County, Ga.", copyrighted 1933. Andrew Sheppard appears in the 1850 Marion County census, with Patrick Carter, age 20, in his household. Since Chattahoochee county was not formed until 1854 from parts of Marion and Muscogee counties it would be unlikely to find any records of any adoptions earlier than 1850 in Chattahoochee. I would suggest Sue concentrate her efforts in Marion county or, since Andrew Sheppard (1793-1889), according to the article mentioned above, "bought" an Indian boy and named him Jack Sheppard in Columbus and already "had" Pat Carter at that time, a search of Muscogee county records could also be of potential value. Whether there was a legal adoption or Andrew took Patrick Carter in just "to raise" I do not know. In 1850 Pat had not taken the Sheppard surname. There is always a possibility that Patrick was mentioned in a Will of Andrew Sheppard, should he have left one. Jackie King In a message dated 10/20/2006 11:18:08 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Hi all, Do anyone have info that could help Carolyn? kemis ----- Original Message ----- From: Carolyn Carter To: [email protected] Do you think there would be any records of an adoption in Chattahoochee County in the early 1800s? I have just found that a relative that we have been unable to locate was adopted by an Andrew Sheppard sometime after 1830 and before 1850. We are looking for information on the Sheppard family and Patrick Henry Carter, the adoptee. Thanks for any help you can give us. Sue Carter ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

it according to what age he was when adopted, his name may of been changed to the adopted parents, so I would serach the SHEPPERD records, also all legal actions have to be published, so if you have a time about when he was adopted about 90 days prior to that, it would of had to be published in some newspaper that an adoption was going to be and if anyone objected, then a date would be set - give some more info on each of the names ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kemis Massey" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Cc: "Carolyn Carter" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 11:10 PM Subject: [GEORGIA] Fw: Chattahoochee County Records | Hi all, | | Do anyone have info that could help Carolyn? | | kemis | | ----- Original Message ----- | From: Carolyn Carter | To: [email protected] | | Do you think there would be any records of an adoption in Chattahoochee County in the early 1800s? I have just found that a relative that we have been unable to locate was adopted by an Andrew Sheppard sometime after 1830 and before 1850. We are looking for information on the Sheppard family and Patrick Henry Carter, the adoptee. | | Thanks for any help you can give us. | Sue Carter | | | ------------------------------- | To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message |

Please email me on James J Dickerson. Husband family line has Dickerson. [email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected])

Hi, The more I find on this fellow, the less I know. He (James J.) is caucasian and is buried in New Hope Cemetery, with three of his children: Emma, Charles, and Noble. He was married to the former Mary Kimbrough, but she seems to have died before 1900. According to: http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/ga/dekalb/cemeteries/newhope2.txt the headstone of this James J. Dickerson states that he was born Aug 27, 1867. But I found him in the 1900 Atlanta Census as having been born in "Aug 1858* " - so right month, different year. I finally managed to get his D-C (died Dec 18, 1936 in Buckhead, GA, Fulton County) and it states he is (correctly) buried in New Hope Cemetery (but age of 63, widowed). And his birthdate is given here as Aug 17, 1873. His D-C states that his parents were Jim Dickerson and Lucindy (nee) Cochran. I found a tempting 1880 Census connection (in Marietta), which has a possible James Dickerson born in 1858*, but the mother's name is listed as Jincy Dickerson (father James). Is it possible that "Jincy" is another rendering for "Lucindy"? So, I now have three different birth-years for him: 1858, 1867, and 1873. At least he was always born in August. Oh, his daughter worked in the pencil factory. Allen

Harold, There is a listing in 1850 Randolph county, District 8 for Thomas Holada, age 50, born SC, who was an Overseer in the household listing for John R. Pitman, 41, born NC. (Roll:M432_81, page 404) There is also a Thomas W. Holada, age 23, born in GA, with an infant son, Thomas J. Holada, 8/12, in the household. Hope this helps. Jackie In a message dated 10/21/2006 11:27:12 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Can someone do a lookup in 1850 census for Thomas C. Halliday in Randolph Co.? It would be greatly appreciated- Harold Stephens in Calif. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I would like to add one more thing. In the early 1940, the state could not pay the teachers. So they were asked to work until the state could get the money. When I started teaching I worked with several older single teachers who were still struggling to pay off the debts they incurred. In the early 1950,s I had moved to Alabama and was teaching there. In March we were told that there was no money to pay us and would be work the next two years without pay until the state could get the money. I stand was, I would if the Governor, and all the government workers, city employees and superindents would work also for nothing. So many of the older teachers were wringing their hands and saying that they couldn't afford to lose their jobs. But the hue and cry from most of the teachers were" no go". Yes, the state got the money and so we did received our pay. Are most teachers dedicated? You bet. Hats should be lifted to the teachers of the past and to those of today. They pay for their education, work hard, more hours than most people realize, they carried the weight of the world on their shoulders and make sacrifices many times over. How often have I heard that my job was easy. You work 9 months of the year and get 3 months paid vacation. You work from eight a.m. and are off at three. No way. Teachers work at home, getting lessons prepared, grading papers, worrying over one student or another. I went to college at Springhill College in Mobile, Alabama and in one educational course, we tallied our pay per hour. Guess what, it came to 15 cents per hour. No, teachers don't get paid vacation. Their pay is based on a yearly contract and this is divided by 180 days in the classroom. Then they can choose to be paid in 9 months or 12 months. That was the way it was and it could be that today. Praise to our teachers. They are the backbone of our country. I am now giving up my platform and quitting blowing off. Thanks for listening. Pat

Teachers have always been overworked and under paid. And at one time teachers were highly respected and appreciated. And you are right when you say parents are partly to blame. But I put most of the blame on the government and the bleeding hearts. At one time, parents and teachers were the deciding factor in how their schools were run and how their children were taught. But then this control was taken out of their hands and we were told what to teach, how to teach, how we could control the behavior of the students. Teachers were chosen on their ability to teach and on their character. They had strict rules to live by and I would say that over 95% of them were dedicated and gave their profession the top rung. Then, we faced prison terms if we were blamed for discipling a student. How many times, in the 60., I was told by a student if I made him remain after school or have extra work to do for misbehaving then his parents would put me in jail. I have lived raising my own children, helping my grandchildren and now I am tutoring my great grandchildren. I have told all of them, if you misbehave in school just wait until you get home. Their parents do the same. They teach their children to respect the authority of their teachers. But now, it is so easy to blame the teacher for their children's failures. My grandchildren and their spouses work but they still keep control of their children. So when we pass around the blame we should start with ourselves for letting the schools get in the condition that they are in. When will parents wake up? Guards in schools, lock downs because of bomb threats, lock downs with students with guns or knives. Now when one student is caught and the Principle or teachers take control, they are subjected to reducible, questioning, and go through trying times. And it is the same with the police. They do not receive the same treatment the criminals do. I retired early in 1968 simply because I could not endure the upheaval that was placed upon the teachers. So I went to a private school where rules were made to be obeyed for the good of everyone. Who suffers for all this? The students. Some care and take the reins of their own lives and learn preparing them for a future, others just simply enjoy today and give no thought for their future. Why are children today not being achievers? They are bored and nothing inspiring to fill their time. No chores, no responsibilities, just money handed to them and left to roam the streets. Then parents wring their hands crying and saying, what could I do? I would have gone to jail if I had punished my child or I would have had to face charges. This is the cry that I have heard many times over. The good old days were not the best but when my parents finished the eight grade in the early 1900, s they had an education. That education was filled with the desire to learn more. When I finished college and signed my contract to teach, I was sure puffed up. I was the best teacher in the whole world. On the first day of teaching, I stood before that class dumbfounded and not a clue of what to do. At the end of that day, I cried to my father that I didn't know anything. His remark was" your education is just beginning, now take hold and become the best teacher in the world" I shall never forget the student who saved the day for me. His name was Robert Preston, a fourth grader, who must have realized my dilemma and said" Miss Roberts don't you want to call the roll?" That brought me to my senses and so that day was the greatest of my life. I realized then that I had a lot to learn and I set my goals and proceed down my life,s dream. Rambling? Yes, I am. But what memories, all these messages have brought back. And I will not give up on our students of today. Some of them will take the reins and carry this country back to its " old timey beliefs, Honer, Integrity, pride of being an American. Doing what is best for our country and our citizens. Now is the time for each to examine our lives and say " where do we want this country to go?" What can we do to give the best to our children? How can we make their lives better, safer, and more secure? I shall end and hope that I have not offended anyone. That is not my intention. Just sharing the hopes and fears of an old senior citizen who has been there and lived it. Pat