In a message dated 8/3/2004 8:00:29 AM Central Daylight Time, leichmann@iw.net writes: Is anyone having a problem with mesages . I got one the other day that was a week old. this morning I got 3 that should have gotten here yesterday Loretta Loretta... I am... I thought it was my server, but I see you don't have the same one as I do, so perhap's it is a GENWIS problem.. I too am getting my mail in random order... Iris

--WebTV-Mail-1948-799 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Absolutely! The messages are really messed up! --WebTV-Mail-1948-799 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from smtpin-3106.bay.webtv.net (209.240.204.216) by storefull-3213.bay.webtv.net with WTV-SMTP; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 06:07:07 -0700 Received: from lists2.rootsweb.com (lists7.rootsweb.com [66.43.18.39]) by smtpin-3106.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 344B9FE5E; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 06:04:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists2.rootsweb.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) id i73CxouL016529; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 06:59:50 -0600 Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 06:59:50 -0600 X-Original-Sender: leichmann@iw.net Tue Aug 3 06:59:50 2004 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 07:41:51 -0500 Subject: Re: [GenWisc] Marriage look-up please - Ruth Myhre From: Loretta Eichmann <leichmann@iw.net> Old-To: <GenWisconsin-L@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <BD34F23F.419A%leichmann@iw.net> In-Reply-To: <018c01c4788e$c77f89d0$0a01010a@total.no> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.38 Resent-Message-ID: <pLwgyD.A.0BE.Gx4DBB@lists2.rootsweb.com> To: GenWisconsin-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: GenWisconsin-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: GenWisconsin-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <GenWisconsin-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/4096 X-Loop: GenWisconsin-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: GenWisconsin-L-request@rootsweb.com X-Brightmail: Message tested, results are inconclusive Is anyone having a problem with mesages . I got one the other day that was a week old. this morning I got 3 that should have gotten here yesterday Loretta ==== GenWisconsin Mailing List ==== Mailing list moderator: Brenda K. Wolfgram Moore email: kingsley@aol.com --WebTV-Mail-1948-799--

Is anyone having a problem with mesages . I got one the other day that was a week old. this morning I got 3 that should have gotten here yesterday Loretta

It was posted on several other lists, Rootsweb was putting a new server online. I believe it is complete, but the help desk indicated it will take up to a week to distribute any messages which were held up. Diana Loretta Eichmann wrote: >Is anyone having a problem with mesages . I got one the other day that was a >week old. this morning I got 3 that should have gotten here yesterday > >Loretta > > > > > > >

I am not related to the name Myhre, but there is a Dick Myhre, who has a family history posting on Rootsweb World Connect. You might want to check this out for any clues. http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:2784016&id=I2212 <http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:2784016&id=I2212> Good Luck, Diana Chapman Owen Mona Oven Eskelund wrote: >I'm trying to find the descendants of Ruth Myhre, born in 1899 according to 1920 Census/Wisconsin/Chippewa county/Wheaton township. Parents: Edward & Ragna Myhre. I can't find her after this, and suppose that she married and changed her name. >Thanks for any help. > >Best regards >Mona Oven Eskelund > > > > > >

Very well put. I too, will always post proof, if I have it; I also clearly mark other sources--if word of mouth, family history, etc. Even if I have no proof, I find that this information will often point the way for further research. By the way, I have found that information taken from a census is only as good (and accurate) as the person who gave the information to the census taker and/or the accuracy of the census taker who recorded the information. As an example, I was searching the 1930 census for close relatives who I knew personally. I discovered that Aunt Nora was really Mary, and I knew that my Uncle had been married ust once. Upon speaking by telephone to her oldest daughter, I learned, for the first time, that her name was really Mary Eleanor! This was very common. It is quite true that if we only recorded what we could actually prove, our genealogical records would be very much smaller! Sincerely Dorothy Rasmussen IrisLillie@aol.com wrote: >>From a letter sent to me ... > > > >>You have a lot of logic to your argument, but your argument assumes that >> >> >everyone else KNOWS the correct information and will let you know. There is >nothing wrong in posting whatever you have, but UNPROVEN lines and THEORIES >should be clearly marked as such. That way people are aware that you are only >guessing. If they already know the correct family line they will probably get in >touch to let you know their material, BUT, those who are just starting out >and do not have any information - or just snippets - may waste a lot of time, >energy and money, trying to build on your incorrect information. > >I am sure you do not intend to deliberately mislead people, so as I said >before, identify iffy material with a question mark or some other symbol so >others can use good judgement.< > >==================== > >Just to clarify what I mean.... > >I don't assume anything about any info given to me or posted on the web. >Certified genealogist don't even accept info from books printed after the fact as >any thing other than second hand info. > >When I post, I post my sources ... that way people can .... > >1. Verify it themselves > >2. Judge it as first, second or third rate sources > >3. And when I guess, (I prefer deduce) It is marked in the name... > >Edward Ammerman, POS father > >or under the sources I have SPECULATION with the reasons I believe this > > This is a possible child, as of yet NO PROOF exist to connect > Edward Ammerman to the Parents Edward Ammerman & > Anna Marie [--?--]. Just location, matching names and ages. > >Perhaps not kosher for the diehards ... but for posted trees pretty darn >plain. And I am always hopeful someone will contact me and tell me where that >daggummed Dream Bible is with the PROOF clearly marked and the original >certificates folded neatly in the pages. > >If I list no source, ask me, I may have plenty and forgot to list them OR it >one of those early things where I haven't a clue where I got that info, >because.. well, you know, I just knew I would remember that, then evaluate that >info as third rate. At that point, take it as an arrow on a road, just pointing >out some place to look. That's what I do when I find stuff that isn't >verified. > >I am not sure where you got the idea that just because someone post >something, that I believe it to be gospel. I am ever so suspicious of those that post >without sources. And when someone post anything (me included) and list >another researcher as their source ... then that goes back to rule two... > >Heck, I have stood in front of a HUGE tombstone with the date of death >clearly marked 1882 and in my hand held the obit for the person from a paper in >1881... so if I can't believe what's in stone... I sure am not going to put >absolute faith in what floats around in the Internet in the form of fluid binary >electrons. > >Anyway, that's the way I see things ... not that anyone really cares.... > >Iris > > >==== GenWisconsin Mailing List ==== >Mailing list moderator: Brenda K. Wolfgram Moore >email: kingsley@aol.com > > >

From a letter sent to me ... >You have a lot of logic to your argument, but your argument assumes that everyone else KNOWS the correct information and will let you know. There is nothing wrong in posting whatever you have, but UNPROVEN lines and THEORIES should be clearly marked as such. That way people are aware that you are only guessing. If they already know the correct family line they will probably get in touch to let you know their material, BUT, those who are just starting out and do not have any information - or just snippets - may waste a lot of time, energy and money, trying to build on your incorrect information. I am sure you do not intend to deliberately mislead people, so as I said before, identify iffy material with a question mark or some other symbol so others can use good judgement.< ==================== Just to clarify what I mean.... I don't assume anything about any info given to me or posted on the web. Certified genealogist don't even accept info from books printed after the fact as any thing other than second hand info. When I post, I post my sources ... that way people can .... 1. Verify it themselves 2. Judge it as first, second or third rate sources 3. And when I guess, (I prefer deduce) It is marked in the name... Edward Ammerman, POS father or under the sources I have SPECULATION with the reasons I believe this This is a possible child, as of yet NO PROOF exist to connect Edward Ammerman to the Parents Edward Ammerman & Anna Marie [--?--]. Just location, matching names and ages. Perhaps not kosher for the diehards ... but for posted trees pretty darn plain. And I am always hopeful someone will contact me and tell me where that daggummed Dream Bible is with the PROOF clearly marked and the original certificates folded neatly in the pages. If I list no source, ask me, I may have plenty and forgot to list them OR it one of those early things where I haven't a clue where I got that info, because.. well, you know, I just knew I would remember that, then evaluate that info as third rate. At that point, take it as an arrow on a road, just pointing out some place to look. That's what I do when I find stuff that isn't verified. I am not sure where you got the idea that just because someone post something, that I believe it to be gospel. I am ever so suspicious of those that post without sources. And when someone post anything (me included) and list another researcher as their source ... then that goes back to rule two... Heck, I have stood in front of a HUGE tombstone with the date of death clearly marked 1882 and in my hand held the obit for the person from a paper in 1881... so if I can't believe what's in stone... I sure am not going to put absolute faith in what floats around in the Internet in the form of fluid binary electrons. Anyway, that's the way I see things ... not that anyone really cares.... Iris

Danger comes: you may recognize yourself in the material on the web address below. I've been reading a book about the intertwined Medill and McCormick and Patterson families of Chicago and New York publishing fame and of frequent vacations in Wisconsin. The book is An American Dynasty and is written by John Tebbel. Today, looking up Tebbel on Google, I discovered he's written a lot of biography and also a history of journalism. He seems also to do book reviews and one of those led to the web page Cousins, about the descendants of Pepin and Crite in French Canada. Want to find out how other genealogists do it? Read the June posting at Cousins. And laugh and laugh. http://www.fortlangley.ca/pepin/c0506.html For amusement's sake only, Ashley

Iris, You have a lot of logic to your argument, but your argument assumes that everyone else KNOWS the correct information and will let you know. There is nothing wrong in posting whatever you have, but UNPROVEN lines and THEORIES should be clearly marked as such. That way people are aware that you are only guessing. If they already know the correct family line they will probably get in touch to let you know their material, BUT, those who are just starting out and do not have any information - or just snippets - may waste a lot of time, energy and money, trying to build on your incorrect information. I am sure you do not intend to deliberately mislead people, so as I said before, identify iffy material with a question mark or some other symbol so others can use good judgement. Regards, Marjorie -----Original Message----- From: IrisLillie@aol.com [mailto:IrisLillie@aol.com] Sent: August 1, 2004 10:06 AM To: GenWisconsin-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GenWisc] request KQL... thank you for your response to the person complaining about non family people posting lines that "don't belong to them... Sometimes there is reasons for those postings.. Late 1700s thri early 1800s part of my family was in a small area in the Delaware River valley. That gave me two states to work with (three or four if you count the state boarder wars) and I had trouble figuring out who married who and how they connected.. So I just started doing the linage on several tyler, Lillie, Lilley, Taylor and what-not families just to try and get them right. Many were connected, some were not (that I could find at this time) but COME ON... two families living next door, last name LILLIE and I should not think that SOMEDAY I will find the connection... anyway.. my tree has several families that at this point I can prove no connection... Would that gal want me to not post? TOO flipping bad. If there is a chance someone would contact me and say... hey... did you know that this one was a cousin to that one. Or even, I have a letter from my 5th great uncle telling his wife that she is NOT to invite the other Lillies to a celebration as only family was to come to this one... it would help... But I won't have a chance at that if I don't post those unconnected families.. I always correct the info if sent a correction, and send inquiries of that line to proper researcher if I am contacted... but I am NOT going to remove them just because I can not at this exact second PROVE they belong to me.... Right now, I got some gal adding posted notes left and right to my Lillies, and she is not even connected.. But she is coming across my family in her research and JUST IN CASE I don't have the information or the source she is letting me know... Should I be upset that she is not family? Iris ______________________________

I'm trying to find the descendants of Ruth Myhre, born in 1899 according to 1920 Census/Wisconsin/Chippewa county/Wheaton township. Parents: Edward & Ragna Myhre. I can't find her after this, and suppose that she married and changed her name. Thanks for any help. Best regards Mona Oven Eskelund

Heart's Desire wrote: > Can we all please refrain from enetering information on rootsweb we have > not researched? > Can we all just leave the Collateral families alone & let those who HAVE > done the research enter the CORRECT info? > We don't NEED all the misinformation becoming fact for some poor joe who > believes everything they find on rootsweb. It's like those who take info > from the LDS as Gospel. As genealogists we MUST be responsible for what > we post. To the person or persons entering info on the Descendants of > Peter Wells & Patience (Straight), please stop. They're NOT your family > & you have too much misinformation. I am in complete sympathy with you. If you are referring to Rootsweb's WorldConnect, you may want to take advantage of two ways of correcting the records: (1) You can post notes that correct the errors; and (2) you can contact the submitter. I've done both, and have been satisfied with the results. KQL

Loretta, I too am Loretta and am researching many lines in MO who are not related to each other but they are related to me.-- I have MORRIS, BOTTS, HOBBS, REESE, ANDERSON, JONES, FRANKE in the Knox, Adair and Linn counties.---MORRIS and HANSON in Dent Co.- -COWAN & BUFF in Shannon, Howell and Green Co's.-- COPPEDGE, LOVE, SHINKLE, HARRISON, ROBERSON inCrawford, Phelps & MariesCo's. Most of these families came up from KY. I personally thank anyone who posts their or somone else' family. As in the case of the Coppedges, where does that line start and mine end? I have so much fun with my finds.--Good day, Loretta

Right now I'm inclined to agree with the sensible approach Iris suggests. I do not as yet have my various families posted to any Web site as yet but when I do it will very much be a work in progress. I would at any time welcome a non - relative with information for me. In fact, that's how I got the family of my grandmother's great - grandmother, who was born in the 18th century. A KIND AND INTERESTED PERSON HELPED ME. Can we really ever forget the kindnesses of strangers? This list is made up of people who've never met except on the Net and yet help each other more daily than a lot of family members do. Please be considerate about correcting others and also about disagreeing with viewpoints expressed on this great list. I am going at some future time be terribly embarrassed about some blooper when I publish a well researched family tree and your tone of voice as you say to me, ' You've made this huge mistake, Ashley, ' will have a lot to do with whether I'm willing to share any further trees. On the other hand, just like many another, I have had my information stolen. One cousin I trusted put out information she'd gotten from me and she put it out with bad dates and massive misspellings. It's still out there this year, almost entirely corrected, but annoying me no end still, that she listed only one marriage and only two children for great - grandpa, who married twice, had 3 kids the first time and 7 the second. Why not do it right? I don't know and I don't write her anymore. Other people I'm not related to are nicer to write to. By the way, a sculpture I'm involved with is the subject of an article in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel today. If you'd like to read the article, the address is : http://www.jsonline.com/onwisconsin/arts/jul04/247318.asp If you would like to help, I've asked people to write the mayor, Tom Barrett, using the subject line, Save the Snake. His address at city hall is mayor@milwaukee.gov Ashley ----- Original Message ----- From: <IrisLillie@aol.com> To: <GenWisconsin-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 12:05 PM Subject: Re: [GenWisc] request > KQL... thank you for your response to the person complaining about non family > people posting lines that "don't belong to them... > > Sometimes there is reasons for those postings.. > > Late 1700s thri early 1800s part of my family was in a small area in the > Delaware River valley. That gave me two states to work with (three or four if you > count the state boarder wars) and I had trouble figuring out who married who > and how they connected.. > > So I just started doing the linage on several tyler, Lillie, Lilley, Taylor > and what-not families just to try and get them right. Many were connected, > some were not (that I could find at this time) but COME ON... two families > living next door, last name LILLIE and I should not think that SOMEDAY I will find > the connection... > > anyway.. my tree has several families that at this point I can prove no > connection... Would that gal want me to not post? > > TOO flipping bad. If there is a chance someone would contact me and say... > hey... did you know that this one was a cousin to that one. Or even, I have a > letter from my 5th great uncle telling his wife that she is NOT to invite the > other Lillies to a celebration as only family was to come to this one... it > would help... But I won't have a chance at that if I don't post those > unconnected families.. > > I always correct the info if sent a correction, and send inquiries of that > line to proper researcher if I am contacted... but I am NOT going to remove > them just because I can not at this exact second PROVE they belong to me.... > > Right now, I got some gal adding posted notes left and right to my Lillies, > and she is not even connected.. But she is coming across my family in her > research and JUST IN CASE I don't have the information or the source she is > letting me know... Should I be upset that she is not family? > > Iris > > > ==== GenWisconsin Mailing List ==== > Mailing list moderator: Brenda K. Wolfgram Moore > email: kingsley@aol.com >

KQL... thank you for your response to the person complaining about non family people posting lines that "don't belong to them... Sometimes there is reasons for those postings.. Late 1700s thri early 1800s part of my family was in a small area in the Delaware River valley. That gave me two states to work with (three or four if you count the state boarder wars) and I had trouble figuring out who married who and how they connected.. So I just started doing the linage on several tyler, Lillie, Lilley, Taylor and what-not families just to try and get them right. Many were connected, some were not (that I could find at this time) but COME ON... two families living next door, last name LILLIE and I should not think that SOMEDAY I will find the connection... anyway.. my tree has several families that at this point I can prove no connection... Would that gal want me to not post? TOO flipping bad. If there is a chance someone would contact me and say... hey... did you know that this one was a cousin to that one. Or even, I have a letter from my 5th great uncle telling his wife that she is NOT to invite the other Lillies to a celebration as only family was to come to this one... it would help... But I won't have a chance at that if I don't post those unconnected families.. I always correct the info if sent a correction, and send inquiries of that line to proper researcher if I am contacted... but I am NOT going to remove them just because I can not at this exact second PROVE they belong to me.... Right now, I got some gal adding posted notes left and right to my Lillies, and she is not even connected.. But she is coming across my family in her research and JUST IN CASE I don't have the information or the source she is letting me know... Should I be upset that she is not family? Iris

I too feel if some people post things that are not right... so be it . Isn't a fact that doing Genealogy is researching unil you know it is right. ?? What is sad is when you find a web page that has something you are interested in and find that the person who put it there is no longer at that E mail address. .. If I post a note I would love that person to come back to me even if it is like the one I go today who told me that she had so much information in there she did not know were it came from ...... I am working big time in Missouri family history.. when I find something I do not know where it MIGHT fit in I just print it out put in a red ? mark on it and put it in a Mis. file until I prove that it needs to be put in the shreader or in the computer . Love my computer but I still make copys of everything . Some time we need to go back threw these files and see what we have missed. I find some times I have the answer right here, just did not read i right. ( I some time get tooooo excited over new information) Loretta

Hi I'm hoping maybe someone might be able to help? A Donna Hance & daughter Becky sent me 2 pictures of Shepley-1 of a house & a store. The house was the Shepley boarding house my grandparents {Walter & Georgianna Burton FUHRMAN} supposedly ran for a few years around 1915-16-17. Was informed boarding house was torn down a few years back. Was also informed boarding house was owned by a certain gentlemen until about 1926-which leads me to believe my grandparents did not own it but may have run it. Would like to find more info to prove family stories of boarding house. Unfortunately cannot get to Shawano Co to research. I seem to remember seeing it listed in some census my grandparents were running boarding house-but cannot find it now. In 1910 I find my grandmother living with her parents but no sign of my grandfather. They married in June 1915. My Aunt was born March 1916 in Shepley - by Sept 1917 they were in Outagamie Co where my Uncle & other 8 children were born. The other is a picture of a group of men gathered on a porch of some store building in Shepley. Sign looks like it says "Harper Wh?sae? . Picture could be from 1900 or a few years later. If anyone is interested in trying to figure out who the men are in photo I will send as an attachment to them privately. If anyone has any info relating to boarding house or family story would dearly love the info. Thank you so much for any help that might come, Kathy

I too appreciate what Heart's Desire wrote regarding sending in gedcoms and having wrong info of your family all over the internet. But, If we all waited until we have proved everything in our family files there would not be any use for WorldConnect or other on line resources. I always state that not everything in my file has been proven by me and to use my file as a stepping stone. By me putting my gencom on two different websites I have had family contact me that I did not even know I had. They have either added to my research or corrected something that I had wrong. I now have new cousins and have met one of them so if I had not put my gedcom on line I would still be looking for answers to one of my brick walls. Regards, Lorelee

Hello, I've noticed someone has been listing MY Ancestry on rootsweb.com. Sadly, they are NO relation to my Wells of Allegany Co., NY. & they are putting down a LOT of misinformation. Incorrect spelling, wrong dates, children who NEVER exixted & so much more. They have NOT researched any of my Wells for if they had, they wouldn't have so many mistakes. My Request? Can we all please refrain from enetering information on rootsweb we have not researched? Can we all just leave the Collateral families alone & let those who HAVE done the research enter the CORRECT info? We don't NEED all the misinformation becoming fact for some poor joe who believes everything they find on rootsweb. It's like those who take info from the LDS as Gospel. As genealogists we MUST be responsible for what we post. To the person or persons entering info on the Descendants of Peter Wells & Patience (Straight), please stop. They're NOT your family & you have too much misinformation. Thanks you Rosemarie

I believe John C. Krull (Nov 1874-10 May 1917) is buried at Honey Creek Cemetery in West Allis. I have some info on him. He was my brother-in-laws great grandfather.

My website with Wisconsin info. http://community.webtv.net/Rosemarie547/MYGENEALOGYDIGGINGS