I know of at least one case where this occurred along ethnic lines as well. In the 1860s-80s there was a relocation of a group of French-Canadian families to Waterville Twp., Pepin Co., WI. This group of families had intermarried in Quebec, then moved to upstate NY, and then finally to Pepin Co. My gr gr grandparents were among this group; Leonard and Julia (nee LAPINE/LAPEAN) PATNODE. Dan Patnode >From: CKubly9527@aol.com >Reply-To: GenWisconsin-L@rootsweb.com >To: GenWisconsin-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [GenWisconsin] Re: WI Land Question from New Yorker >Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 14:56:51 EDT > >In a message dated 07/29/2000 5:09:56 AM Central Daylight Time, >grubisic@netwurx.net writes: > ><< a lot of ethnic societies recruited immigrants >> > >Enjoyed reading your post Ashley. The only thing I would add is that >sometimes religious groups immigrated, or "removed" as the old county >history >books say, to other areas in clumps as well. One group that comes to mind >is >the Strangite Mormons who settled in Jackson County, WI. > >Best regards, >Cathy Kubly >State Coordinator, WIGenExchange >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >WIGenExchange (select desired county or record type) >http://www.genexchange.org/state.cfm?state=wi >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Help Keep Genealogy Free For Online Genealogists >http://www.genexchange.org/volunteers.cfm#cc > > >==== GenWisconsin Mailing List ==== > > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

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I liveed in Racine Co. in the sixties and thought the same thing. Just looked it up, Stuardavant, or something like that, west of Racine. Karolyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ann Thompson" <athompso@mail.win.org> To: <GenWisconsin-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2000 9:52 PM Subject: Re: [GenWisconsin] Stewardville, WI ??? > Did you check in Racine Co. or Waukesha Co. I lived in that area back in > the 50's and there was a town something like that but not sure which Co. > Could even been Kenosha Co. my mind isn't working to well. Ann > > Rollie Littlewood wrote: > > > At 06:35 AM 7/30/00 -0700, Arlis Anderson Renfro > > <arenfro@worldaccessnet.com> wrote: > > >...I have looked at old maps, the GNIS site, and cannot locate a place > > called Stewardville. This info from old family history - do I have the > > correct spelling? Would anyone like to make a guess where it is and > > what county?... > > > > Using "Wisconsin Its Counties, Townships & Villages" (published in > > 1994 by Origins) as a guide, I conclude there never was a place by this > > name in Wisconsin (unless it was a local colloquial name, based on the > > name of a nearby church, farm, etc.). The closest name which appears in > > this book is Stewart, in Green County. > > > > Using some wildcards with GNIS, I find some "close" names in some > > neighboring states: Stewardsville, McDonough Co., IL and Stewartville, > > Olmsted Co., MN. > > > > Rollie > > > > ==== GenWisconsin Mailing List ==== > > > ==== GenWisconsin Mailing List ==== >

WISCONSIN, female18, male 21 SLouisaK@aol.com wrote: > Etta, > > Sorry, I should have said I was interested in the legal age in Wisconsin, > but, if anyone knows, I'd also like to know about Illinois... > > A "cousin" wants to find out the date and location of her parents' marriage. > Her mom, age 21, lived in Minnesota, and her father, age 18 - 19, was from > Illinois. As the story goes, they eloped. When they reached Illinois they > told his family they were married in Minnesota, but upon returning to > Minnesota six months later, they told her family they were married in > Illinois. I was beginning to think they never married, but have since found > some evidence that eliminates that theory, so I'm trying to come up with > solid proof for my "cousin." > > Sharon > > ==== GenWisconsin Mailing List ====

Did you check in Racine Co. or Waukesha Co. I lived in that area back in the 50's and there was a town something like that but not sure which Co. Could even been Kenosha Co. my mind isn't working to well. Ann Rollie Littlewood wrote: > At 06:35 AM 7/30/00 -0700, Arlis Anderson Renfro > <arenfro@worldaccessnet.com> wrote: > >...I have looked at old maps, the GNIS site, and cannot locate a place > called Stewardville. This info from old family history - do I have the > correct spelling? Would anyone like to make a guess where it is and > what county?... > > Using "Wisconsin Its Counties, Townships & Villages" (published in > 1994 by Origins) as a guide, I conclude there never was a place by this > name in Wisconsin (unless it was a local colloquial name, based on the > name of a nearby church, farm, etc.). The closest name which appears in > this book is Stewart, in Green County. > > Using some wildcards with GNIS, I find some "close" names in some > neighboring states: Stewardsville, McDonough Co., IL and Stewartville, > Olmsted Co., MN. > > Rollie > > ==== GenWisconsin Mailing List ====

Dear List: As a result of research in both the Chicago area, as well as in west-central WI, we are aware of young marrying-minded relatives heading to St. Joseph, Berrian County, MI and into NE Iowa to do their hitching! I do not have a specific place in IA right in front of me. Regards, Bob, in VA ---------- > From: Jansdigs <cristian@netonecom.net> > To: GenWisconsin-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [GenWisconsin] Legal Marriage age, 1947 - 1949 > Date: Monday, July 31, 2000 7:18 AM > > Wasn't there some place in Indiana - where everyone used to elope to. Any > one out there remember it????? > I understand they have oodles of records from marriages. But, memory > escapes me - as to where exactly. Seems as if it is near the MI - IN > line..... > > From: <SLouisaK@aol.com> > > > > Etta, > > > > Sorry, I should have said I was interested in the legal age in Wisconsin, > > but, if anyone knows, I'd also like to know about Illinois... > > > > A "cousin" wants to find out the date and location of her parents' > marriage. > > Her mom, age 21, lived in Minnesota, and her father, age 18 - 19, was from > > Illinois. As the story goes, they eloped. When they reached Illinois > they > > told his family they were married in Minnesota, but upon returning to > > Minnesota six months later, they told her family they were married in > > Illinois. I was beginning to think they never married, but have since > found > > some evidence that eliminates that theory, so I'm trying to come up with > > solid proof for my "cousin." > > > > Sharon > > > > > > ==== GenWisconsin Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > > > ==== GenWisconsin Mailing List ==== >

Hi also there is a border town called Winterhaven Cal at the border of Yuma AZ and it was and still probably is a place to go and get married quick. Linda -----Original Message----- From: IrisLillie@aol.com [mailto:IrisLillie@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2000 5:20 PM To: GenWisconsin-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GenWisconsin] Legal Marriage age, 1947 - 1949 In a message dated 7/30/00 6:21:59 PM Central Daylight Time, cristian@netonecom.net writes: << Wasn't there some place in Indiana - where everyone used to elope to. Any one out there remember it????? I understand they have oodles of records from marriages. But, memory escapes me - as to where exactly. Seems as if it is near the MI - IN line..... >> Here in Missouri, the kids all ran down to Oklahoma to elope... but lets not forget Las Vegas, as one of my ancestors did that.... like to never find them....... Iris ==== GenWisconsin Mailing List ====

Wow, so many wonderful responses. This is a great list! I think I can rule out Wisconsin because the male was under the legal age -- unless he misrepresented his age... hmmmm. Next stop is Illinois. Thank you, everyone!!! Sharon Wisconsin surnames include: SCHNEPPMUELLER, HARTMANN, MEIS, FOLZ, HAZELTON, and VANDERLICK

Good point Iris Lillie.......But they only stayed married from 1940 to 1943. Makes me wonder. By the way, my father also married another woman before the divorce was declared in court.......He was definately what they call a rounder! Gotta watch out for those traveling salesmen!

In a message dated 7/31/00 12:06:48 AM Central Daylight Time, Dminer9@aol.com writes: << She was 17 he was 18. They both lied and said they were 21. Hmmmmm, does that make the marriage not valid? >> Maybe for the first 7 years... after that common law makes it absolute... or at least it used to in most states..... Iris

My father born in Wisconsin, moved to Chicago........met a lady and they went to Louisville KY to marry. She was 17 he was 18. They both lied and said they were 21. Hmmmmm, does that make the marriage not valid? Dena

One should remember that legal ages change.... I remember when I married my first hubby (mistake) in 1970 I was of age but hubby wasn't. For females at that time it was 18, but males had to be 21 and he wasn't, so his mommy had to sign.... (Wished she would have refused) anyway, the point is, now both males and females need be only 18 in this state... Should have gone the other direction... up to 23 not down to 18. Iris

At 06:35 AM 7/30/00 -0700, Arlis Anderson Renfro <arenfro@worldaccessnet.com> wrote: >...I have looked at old maps, the GNIS site, and cannot locate a place called Stewardville. This info from old family history - do I have the correct spelling? Would anyone like to make a guess where it is and what county?... Using "Wisconsin Its Counties, Townships & Villages" (published in 1994 by Origins) as a guide, I conclude there never was a place by this name in Wisconsin (unless it was a local colloquial name, based on the name of a nearby church, farm, etc.). The closest name which appears in this book is Stewart, in Green County. Using some wildcards with GNIS, I find some "close" names in some neighboring states: Stewardsville, McDonough Co., IL and Stewartville, Olmsted Co., MN. Rollie

> >HALL - BERG - MAUEL - SCHMELZER > >A translation of the notes, in the prayer book, of Mathias Wilhelm Hall. >Excerpt of the original...translated into English. > >"This book I received from my daughter-in-law, Rosa Hall for a Christmas >and New Years present in the year 1888 to 1889. Best thanks for it from >her loyal Father-in-Law, Mathias Wilhelm Hall. Praise be to Jesus Christ >for all eternity, Amen. > >I Mathias Wilhelm Hall, was born March 19, 1819 in Sinzenich, Euskirchen, >Colonge Germany. I married Anna Maria Mauel on October 18, 1846. She was >born on Feb., 2, 1819, in the same place as I was. > >On the 22nd of May 1847 I left my wife with her parents in Germany and came >to North America with my brother-in-law, John Mauel on a sailing ship that >took 42 days to reach Quebec. From there we journeyed to Milwaukee, >Wisconsin and each of us took up a claim for 160 acres for our families in >town 13, about 60 miles north from Milwaukee, or 16 miles from Fond du Lac, >in Ashford. > >One year later my wife came with our first son and her brothers and sister >and her parents, and my own brothers and sisters to Ashford. Two years >after I came, I was followed by my Father Wilhelm Hall, born in 1784, who >died in Ashford, Wisconsin, on May 27, 1865, 81 years old. My mother, Anna >Catherine Hall nee Schmelzer was born March 10, 1787 and died in Ashford >June 10, 1858, 71 years old. My wife Anna Maria, died November 10, 1881, >in LaBette City, Kansas and is buried in Lador, Kansas beside our eldest >daughter, Anna and her two children by her husband Michael Berg." > >Signed: Mathias Wilhelm Hall > >A small note is made by John W. Hall, son of M.W. Hall, he has written next >tot he information about Anna M. (Mauel) Hall, died at the age of 49 years >of Typhoid. > >

In a message dated 07/30/2000 11:02:18 PM Central Daylight Time, gkrob@fullnet.com writes: << Stuardavant, or something like that >> Sturtevant. Best regards, Cathy Kubly State Coordinator, WIGenExchange ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ WIGenExchange (select desired county or record type) http://www.genexchange.org/state.cfm?state=wi ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Help Keep Genealogy Free For Online Genealogists http://www.genexchange.org/volunteers.cfm#cc

In a message dated 07/30/2000 7:26:53 PM Central Daylight Time, arenfro@worldaccessnet.com writes: << place called Stewardville >> Rollie is correct, no Stewardville in WI. I would put my money on Stewartville, MN Olmstead County (SE Minnesota). I had the same problem the other day with a town I couldn't find, and it was over the border in MN, not WI. Best regards, Cathy Kubly State Coordinator, WIGenExchange ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ WIGenExchange (select desired county or record type) http://www.genexchange.org/state.cfm?state=wi ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Help Keep Genealogy Free For Online Genealogists http://www.genexchange.org/volunteers.cfm#cc

If the Legislative Reference Bureau is online, this would be the place to answer any question about statutes. You might also want to try Marquette University Law School, either by phone or on the net. The web site I find hard to navigate, even when I know a page exists. If you do get to what you want at MU, I urge you to bookmark it or risk never getting there again. Ashley ------------------------------------------------------------------------ SLouisaK@aol.com wrote: > Hi, > New to the list... > Could anyone lead me to where I can find out the legal age for marriage > during 1947 - 1950? > Thanks, > Sharon > > ==== GenWisconsin Mailing List ====

Sharon, In what state? Not all states have the same legal age for marriage. Here where I live, it was 18 and In Idaho the age was 14 for girls, 16 for boys. Etta ----- Original Message ----- From: <SLouisaK@aol.com> To: <GenWisconsin-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2000 8:24 AM Subject: [GenWisconsin] Legal Marriage age, 1947 - 1949 > Hi, > New to the list... > Could anyone lead me to where I can find out the legal age for marriage > during 1947 - 1950? > Thanks, > Sharon > > > ==== GenWisconsin Mailing List ==== > > >

In a message dated 7/30/00 6:21:59 PM Central Daylight Time, cristian@netonecom.net writes: << Wasn't there some place in Indiana - where everyone used to elope to. Any one out there remember it????? I understand they have oodles of records from marriages. But, memory escapes me - as to where exactly. Seems as if it is near the MI - IN line..... >> Here in Missouri, the kids all ran down to Oklahoma to elope... but lets not forget Las Vegas, as one of my ancestors did that.... like to never find them....... Iris

Etta, Sorry, I should have said I was interested in the legal age in Wisconsin, but, if anyone knows, I'd also like to know about Illinois... A "cousin" wants to find out the date and location of her parents' marriage. Her mom, age 21, lived in Minnesota, and her father, age 18 - 19, was from Illinois. As the story goes, they eloped. When they reached Illinois they told his family they were married in Minnesota, but upon returning to Minnesota six months later, they told her family they were married in Illinois. I was beginning to think they never married, but have since found some evidence that eliminates that theory, so I'm trying to come up with solid proof for my "cousin." Sharon