Yeah... here in Missouri, the kids ran off to Oklahoma.... no waiting, and the age was like 16 to marry without parental signatures... You would have thought Arkansas... but even with a 13 year old being leagal to marry, they required parental consent until 21...

In a message dated 01/19/2003 10:26:53 AM Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > Why were our parents so secretative? Marrying a person of the wrong religion or nationality... Heck in my hubby's family the Irish Catholics would be upset if someone married an Italian Catholic.....

Up here in West Central Wisconsin, Stillwater Minnesota was "the place" for marriages during that time frame.... jk

How would they have gotten there? Also, heard that Niagra Falls was a good place. When I lived in Oak Park, IL, the in-thing was Crown Point in Indiana. Why were our parents so secretative? Thanks, Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2003 8:45 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [GenWisc] Marriages in 1930's In a message dated 01/19/2003 12:14:40 AM Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > > brickwall - when and where my parents (Lucille Mary Jane Joyce or Lucille > Mary Jane Perry, or Lucille Joyce Perry married Willson Dorr Bradley) were > married. In the time period 1932-1935 my dad was living in Kenosha, WI. Don't rule out Las Vegas.... that is where I finally found one.... People really do "run off" and get married. ==== GenWisconsin Mailing List ==== Mailing list moderator: Brenda K. Wolfgram Moore email: [email protected]

Thanks for the idea - I will do - Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: Willes Traver Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2003 11:00 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [GenWisc] Marriages in 1930's HI Just a thought, you might try Lake County, IL. Kenosha rests just west of Lake County. Lake County, Courthouse is in the Town of Waukegan. You might give them a call and see if there is a record there. Sally ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet Brosius" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 11:51 PM Subject: [GenWisc] Marriages in 1930's > I have hit my brickwall - when and where my parents (Lucille Mary Jane Joyce or Lucille Mary Jane Perry, or Lucille Joyce Perry married Willson Dorr Bradley) were married. In the time period 1932-1935 my dad was living in Kenosha, WI. > > When I contacted Madison, WI, I was told that the marriage had not taken place in Kenosha. My question is whether I have to search each county/town or would Madison have meant that they were not married anywhere in Wisconsin ? Appreciate any directions, thanks, Janet Bradley Brosius > > > ==== GenWisconsin Mailing List ==== > Mailing list moderator: Brenda K. Wolfgram Moore > email: [email protected] > ==== GenWisconsin Mailing List ==== Mailing list moderator: Brenda K. Wolfgram Moore email: [email protected]

Listers, I just sent a reply to the list from my husband's e-mail box concerning marriage records and didn't realize it would be converted to all those extra symbols and letters to load-up in the archives !! Needless to say I won't do it again...............he has IncrediMail.com for his e-mail because he likes to send pics and sounds, etc. Perhaps the list manager could delete my message from the archives so it doesn't waste space? Thank you, Nancy B

It was very common for people from Kenosha during that era to take the interurban to Waukegan to get married......it may have been the Vegas of the twenties around southeastern Wisconsin. Bob Fay On 19 Jan 2003 at 11:26, Janet Brosius wrote: > How would they have gotten there? Also, heard that Niagra Falls was a > good place. When I lived in Oak Park, IL, the in-thing was Crown Point > in Indiana. Why were our parents so secretative? Thanks, Janet > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: [email protected] > Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2003 8:45 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [GenWisc] Marriages in 1930's > > In a message dated 01/19/2003 12:14:40 AM Central Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > > > > brickwall - when and where my parents (Lucille Mary Jane Joyce or > > > Lucille > > Mary Jane Perry, or Lucille Joyce Perry married Willson Dorr > > Bradley) were married. In the time period 1932-1935 my dad was > > living in Kenosha, WI. > > Don't rule out Las Vegas.... that is where I finally found one.... > People really do "run off" and get married. > > > ==== GenWisconsin Mailing List ==== > Mailing list moderator: Brenda K. Wolfgram Moore > email: [email protected] > > > ==== GenWisconsin Mailing List ==== > Mailing list moderator: Brenda K. Wolfgram Moore > email: [email protected] > >

HI Just a thought, you might try Lake County, IL. Kenosha rests just west of Lake County. Lake County, Courthouse is in the Town of Waukegan. You might give them a call and see if there is a record there. Sally ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet Brosius" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 11:51 PM Subject: [GenWisc] Marriages in 1930's > I have hit my brickwall - when and where my parents (Lucille Mary Jane Joyce or Lucille Mary Jane Perry, or Lucille Joyce Perry married Willson Dorr Bradley) were married. In the time period 1932-1935 my dad was living in Kenosha, WI. > > When I contacted Madison, WI, I was told that the marriage had not taken place in Kenosha. My question is whether I have to search each county/town or would Madison have meant that they were not married anywhere in Wisconsin ? Appreciate any directions, thanks, Janet Bradley Brosius > > > ==== GenWisconsin Mailing List ==== > Mailing list moderator: Brenda K. Wolfgram Moore > email: [email protected] >

Each county is required to file a copy with the state. The State has all the index records in books. It is a statewide index by year. The next time I am there searching, I could check those years for you. The state is so expensive for a search. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet Brosius" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 11:51 PM Subject: [GenWisc] Marriages in 1930's > I have hit my brickwall - when and where my parents (Lucille Mary Jane Joyce or Lucille Mary Jane Perry, or Lucille Joyce Perry married Willson Dorr Bradley) were married. In the time period 1932-1935 my dad was living in Kenosha, WI. > > When I contacted Madison, WI, I was told that the marriage had not taken place in Kenosha. My question is whether I have to search each county/town or would Madison have meant that they were not married anywhere in Wisconsin ? Appreciate any directions, thanks, Janet Bradley Brosius > > > ==== GenWisconsin Mailing List ==== > Mailing list moderator: Brenda K. Wolfgram Moore > email: [email protected]

In a message dated 01/19/2003 12:14:40 AM Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > > brickwall - when and where my parents (Lucille Mary Jane Joyce or Lucille > Mary Jane Perry, or Lucille Joyce Perry married Willson Dorr Bradley) were > married. In the time period 1932-1935 my dad was living in Kenosha, WI. Don't rule out Las Vegas.... that is where I finally found one.... People really do "run off" and get married.

Rockford, Ill was also a favorite place to run off and get married. My grandparents eloped there (1926) because his family was opposed to the marriage (He was English, she was German -- horrors!). I've heard of the same thing happening in families where the couple belongs to two different religious denominations. Lynne [email protected] wrote: >In a message dated 01/19/2003 12:14:40 AM Central Standard Time, >[email protected] writes: > > > > >>>brickwall - when and where my parents (Lucille Mary Jane Joyce or Lucille >>> >>> >>Mary Jane Perry, or Lucille Joyce Perry married Willson Dorr Bradley) were >>married. In the time period 1932-1935 my dad was living in Kenosha, WI. >> >> > >Don't rule out Las Vegas.... that is where I finally found one.... People >really do "run off" and get married. > > >==== GenWisconsin Mailing List ==== >Mailing list moderator: Brenda K. Wolfgram Moore >email: [email protected] > > > >

I have hit my brickwall - when and where my parents (Lucille Mary Jane Joyce or Lucille Mary Jane Perry, or Lucille Joyce Perry married Willson Dorr Bradley) were married. In the time period 1932-1935 my dad was living in Kenosha, WI. When I contacted Madison, WI, I was told that the marriage had not taken place in Kenosha. My question is whether I have to search each county/town or would Madison have meant that they were not married anywhere in Wisconsin ? Appreciate any directions, thanks, Janet Bradley Brosius

----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet Brosius" <[email protected]> > brickwall - when and where my parents (Lucille Mary Jane Joyce or Lucille Mary Jane Perry, or Lucille Joyce Perry married Willson Dorr Bradley) were married. In the time period 1932-1935 my dad was living in Kenosha, WI. > > Madison, WI said,...the marriage had not taken place in Kenosha. My question is whether I have to search each county/town or would Madison have meant that they were not married anywhere in Wisconsin ? As in most States, you'll probably have to search each County separately. If Madison (a city) said the marriage hadn't taken place in Kenosha (another city)...do they have a state marriage listing as Kenosha is in Kenosha County, Madison is in Dane. Contact Madison again and ask them why they told you that and ask if you have to go to Kenosha Co. Very, very few have marriage indices online. Ron Bestrom

Hello, The East Tennessee Historical Society, headquartered in Knoxville, Tennessee, is exploring a mystery. Currently on display in the ETHS Museum is a handmade crazy quilt by Lillie Harvey, ca. 1915. A quilt historian has been exploring the life of Lillie Harvey, yet we still have some gaps to fill. ETHS will host a lecture on Sunday, January 19, 2003, at the East Tennessee History Center, discussing Ms. Harvey and her quilt. For additional information about the lecture and images of the quilt, you may view our web site at http://www.east-tennessee-history.org Here is what our researcher has discovered about Ms. Harvey to date: Lillie's parents were James W. Harvey and Ann (?), both born in Liverpool, England. They were married approximately 1847. The Harvey parents migrated to the United States of America in 1848 where Mr. Harvey worked as a stonecutter in New York. In 1857, the Harvey parents moved to Wisconsin. Lillie was born in 1859 in Wisconsin. During this time period Mr. Harvey was working on the U.S. Capitol in Washington, DC. Prior to 1879, he won a large settlement from the federal government based on a lawsuit stemming from a contract he received to build a bridge across the Mississippi River at Rock Island, Illinois. The case eventually made its way to the U.S. Supreme Court. In 1879, the Harvey family moved to Knoxville, Tennessee, where Mr. Harvey invested in local marble quarries and real estate. The marriage of James and Ann Harvey ended in divorce in 1889. In 1890, James Harvey reopened the bitter divorce proceedings with claims he and his wife were never officially married in Liverpool. In addition to Lillie, the Harveys had a son named John who died at the age of 28. John Harvey had a wife and five children. James Harvey died in 1893 in Knoxville. Ann Harvey lived at the family home in Knoxville, "Mountain View," until her death in 1906 at the age of 85. Lillie lived at the family home until at least 1919. The 1922 city directory of Knoxville records her living at the Bowman Apartments in downtown Knoxville. The trail of Lillie Harvey ends there. There is a burial plot for Lillie at Knoxville's Old Gray Cemetery, but it is empty. If anyone has information on the life of Lillie Harvey, especially post-1922, please feel free to contact the East Tennessee Historical Society at [email protected] If you are in the Knoxville area on Sunday, January 19, 2003, please feel free to come to the lecture presented on the "Miss Lillie Harvey's Knoxville Crazy Quilt." The quilt will be on display at the ETHS Museum through March 16, 2003. For more information about the quilt lecture or exhibit, visit the ETHS web site at www.east-tennessee-history.org

They are buried at Sylvania Cemetery on the west side of I-94 just a couple of miles west of Sturtevant. They must have lived near Kellogs Corners in Somers. More family info is at http://www.jansdigs.com/Racine/Sylvania.html That's all I have. Bob Fay On 10 Jan 2003 at 10:03, [email protected] wrote: > i am looking for a census record, 1860 70 or 80 on my grgrgrampa > nathan varney. he was born 04 jul 1856, indiana is what i been told, > would like any verifcation on that as well as his parent's birthplace. > however, in 1870 or 80 he lived in kenosha wi. in 1850 kenosha wi, > there is hellen, sylvanus and sylvestor living with ashby varney. > sylvestor is ours. ashby i don't know. joshua varney and mary are > nathan's parents. any help would be greatly appreciated. thanks steve > nichols. joshua and mary are my brickwall.... > > > ==== GenWisconsin Mailing List ==== > Mailing list moderator: Brenda K. Wolfgram Moore > email: [email protected] > >

thanks to all that have helped me over the last 5 years as I haven't been able to add to my family for the last year I am leaving the list for a while Ineed the rest again thanks and good luck to all -- John Rutz researching Rutz Bahr families of Fond du Lac Wi. Carbondale Pa. see my family history at: http://www.fuerjefe.us

EDUARD RIPPE 4/27/1917 - Eduard Rippe, the 13 month old son of Mr. and Mrs. Gerhard Rippe of Watertown, died last Sunday afternoon from cramps. The funeral was the following Wednesday afternoon with Pastor Julius Klingmann officiating at the lutheran cemetery ----- Original Message ----- From: "wis1848" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, January 10, 2003 10:16 PM Subject: Re: [GenWisc] looking for 1860or 70 or 80 census look-up. kenosha wi. nathan varney, b: 1856 > VARNEY, NATHAN > State: WI Year: 1860 > County: Kenosha County Record Type: Federal Population Schedule > Township: Somers Page: 227 > Database: WI 1860 Federal Census Index > > dwelling #1061, family #971 > Nathan Varney, age 58, male, farmer, value of real estate $12,000, value of > person property $550, born Vermont > Mary Varney, age 55, female, born Vermont > Ann M. Varney, age 19, female, born Ill., attending school > Ellen Varney, age 14, female, born, Wis., attending school > Frank George Varney, age 14, male, born Wis., attending school > Gaylord R. Shepherd, age 6, male born Wis., attending school > Rhyda Began, age 87, female, born Conn. > > 1870, Wisconsin, KENOSHA County, SOMERS township Series: M593 Roll: > 1720 Page: 331 > VARNEY N P 68 M W VT WI KENOSHA SOMERS 1870 > dwelling #229,family #230 > Varney, N. P., age 68, male, white, farmer, value of real estate $2,200, > value of person property $825, born Vermont > Varney, Mary, age 65, female, white, keeping house, born Vermont > Shepherd, Gaylord, age 16, male, white, unk---(?) farm---(?), born > Wisconsin, attended school within the year > > For the 1880 census, you can look them up here: > http://www.familysearch.org/ > > Shari > > > i am looking for a census record, 1860 70 or 80 on my grgrgrampa nathan > > varney. he was born 04 jul 1856, indiana is what i been told, would like > any > > verifcation on that as well as his parent's birthplace. however, in 1870 > or > > 80 he lived in kenosha wi. in 1850 kenosha wi, there is hellen, sylvanus > and > > sylvestor living with ashby varney. sylvestor is ours. ashby i don't know. > > joshua varney and mary are nathan's parents. > > any help would be greatly appreciated. > > thanks > > steve nichols. joshua and mary are my brickwall.... > > > > > > ==== GenWisconsin Mailing List ==== > > Mailing list moderator: Brenda K. Wolfgram Moore > > email: [email protected] > > > > > ==== GenWisconsin Mailing List ==== > Mailing list moderator: Brenda K. Wolfgram Moore > email: [email protected] >

VARNEY, NATHAN State: WI Year: 1860 County: Kenosha County Record Type: Federal Population Schedule Township: Somers Page: 227 Database: WI 1860 Federal Census Index dwelling #1061, family #971 Nathan Varney, age 58, male, farmer, value of real estate $12,000, value of person property $550, born Vermont Mary Varney, age 55, female, born Vermont Ann M. Varney, age 19, female, born Ill., attending school Ellen Varney, age 14, female, born, Wis., attending school Frank George Varney, age 14, male, born Wis., attending school Gaylord R. Shepherd, age 6, male born Wis., attending school Rhyda Began, age 87, female, born Conn. 1870, Wisconsin, KENOSHA County, SOMERS township Series: M593 Roll: 1720 Page: 331 VARNEY N P 68 M W VT WI KENOSHA SOMERS 1870 dwelling #229,family #230 Varney, N. P., age 68, male, white, farmer, value of real estate $2,200, value of person property $825, born Vermont Varney, Mary, age 65, female, white, keeping house, born Vermont Shepherd, Gaylord, age 16, male, white, unk---(?) farm---(?), born Wisconsin, attended school within the year For the 1880 census, you can look them up here: http://www.familysearch.org/ Shari > i am looking for a census record, 1860 70 or 80 on my grgrgrampa nathan > varney. he was born 04 jul 1856, indiana is what i been told, would like any > verifcation on that as well as his parent's birthplace. however, in 1870 or > 80 he lived in kenosha wi. in 1850 kenosha wi, there is hellen, sylvanus and > sylvestor living with ashby varney. sylvestor is ours. ashby i don't know. > joshua varney and mary are nathan's parents. > any help would be greatly appreciated. > thanks > steve nichols. joshua and mary are my brickwall.... > > > ==== GenWisconsin Mailing List ==== > Mailing list moderator: Brenda K. Wolfgram Moore > email: [email protected] >

i am looking for a census record, 1860 70 or 80 on my grgrgrampa nathan varney. he was born 04 jul 1856, indiana is what i been told, would like any verifcation on that as well as his parent's birthplace. however, in 1870 or 80 he lived in kenosha wi. in 1850 kenosha wi, there is hellen, sylvanus and sylvestor living with ashby varney. sylvestor is ours. ashby i don't know. joshua varney and mary are nathan's parents. any help would be greatly appreciated. thanks steve nichols. joshua and mary are my brickwall....

Greetings all, Hope u all had a Merry Christmas and my wife Lola and I wish all a Very Happy, Healthy and Prosperous New Year. One of the gifts my wife gave me is a trip to Ireland (many of our friends suggested it shud be a one way ticket (:>)). Unforutantely my wife will not be able to go with me as she is still working and we are planning a trip to Alaska May-June. I leave BWI 20 April until 30 April. Needless to say I am looking forward to the trip. I hope to do a lot of research and one of the things I hope to do is focus on the GERRITY line. So if any of u have any clues, leads, suggestions, please let me know as I prepare for the trip. By the way I am currently working with O'DAY folks who are in the Mc LAUGHLIN, GERRITY, MATUSAK, O'DAY, O'MALLEY line Looking for information/connections on my direct GERRITY,GERAGHTY, GARITY, GARETY (and the many many other variations). My gggrandfather James GERRITY c 1824 (maybe in Westport, Ireland) married Mary GORMAN c 1825. James GERRITY and Mary GORMAN GERRITY HAMMEL children were born in Carbondale, Lackawanna Co, PA they were baptized in St. Rose of Lima RC Church. The Children- Mary GERRITY 1849 married Daniel Webster ADNEY in July 5, 1863 Rising Sun, Wisconsin and they raised a large family in the area of Soldiers Grove, Richland Center, WI; Mary GERRITY ADNEY d Dec 13, 1935 Richland Center (wud love to get the obit), Daniel W. ADNEY d October 15, 1918 in Clayton Township Crawford Co WI (wud also love to get his obit); Michael GERRITY b 1850 m Bridget CAFFREY/CAFFERY in Scranton, PA where they lived and raised their family; Anthony GERRITY 1852 m Anna WALTON b 1854 in Hawley, PA. They were married and raised their family in Scranton. James GERRITY 1854 m Agnes BURNS b 1863 Lakewood, NJ. They also raised their family in Scranton. Hannah GERRITY 1856 m Robert OSBORNE and lived in Chicago, IL. Thomas GERRITY 1860 m Ellen SHERIDAN 1848 and they stayed in Scranton. Bridget GERRITY b 1862 in Wisconsin m Michael J. RUANE/ROWAN b 1859 and they lived in Scranton. My gggrandfather James GERRITY was killed while visiting in Wisconsin. The family story goes that his brothers in PA saved their money and went to Wisconsin to avenge his killing. When they got their the killer was dead and buried in the same cemetery that James GERRITY was buried. I have not been able to identify any of James GERRITY siblings. Some of the many surnames associated with this line include (but not limited to); ADNEY, ALBRECHT, BART, BRICK, BROWN, BURGEY, CAFFERY, CAFFREY, CLARK, CLARKE, COGGINS,COLEMAN, COOKE, CUMMINGS, DEVINE,DOYLE, DRAGON, FEENEY, FLAHERTY, FLYNN, GALLAGHER, GARRISON, GAVIN, GERRITY, GOODRICH, GORMAN, GRAHAM, HAEUSSLER, HARRIS, HEALEY, HERBERT, HILFIGER, HOLLAND, HORNSTRA, HUGHES, HUNT, HURLEY, IRELAND, JENKINS, JOHNSON, KEHOE, KELLY, KELLEY, KIRBIS, KOVALESKI, KRESGE, KROMER, KUCHAISKI, LOMBARSKI, MAGNAN, MARCKS, MARTIN, MATHER, MATTHEWS, MATUSAK, MAY, MC DONALD, MC GOWAN, MC GRAW, MC HUGH, MC KINNEY, MC LAUGHLIN, MC TIERNAN, MONAHAN, MULROONEY, NERBY, O;DAY, O'DEA, O'MALLEY, OSBORNE, PURDY,RIDDLE, ROLAND, ROWAN, RUANE, SCHMIDT, SHERIDAN, SULLIVAN, TOOMEY, TOSCHETTI, VAN WIE, WALSH, WALTON, WELCHEL, WILLIAM, ZELINSKI Walton J. Sullivan at [email protected] Paternal - SULLIVAN, COLEMAN, CUMMINGS, O'BRIEN, BOLD, BLACK, BRENNAN, CAFFREY, CAVENEY, CARROLL, CAVANAUGH, CORBETT, CROWE, DISKIN, DONEGAN, FARRELL, FEE, GABRIEL, GIBLIN, GORMAN, GERRITY, GREP, JENKINS, JENNINGS, LAW, LYNCH, MANLEY, MC ALOON, MC GREEVEY, MC NALLY, MC DONNELL, MC DONALD, NIEMANN, O'CONNOR, ORMSBY, PHILBIN, REGAN, ROLAND, SALERNO, SHEA, SHIELDS, STAFFORD, STANTON, STEINHAUSER, WALTON, WEISS, PA-Old Forge, Dunmore, Minooka, Taylor, Scranton, Carbondale, Hawley, Mt. Pleasant, Pittsburgh; NY-Kingston, New Amsterdam; Wales-Rhymney, Tredegar; Ireland-Co Mayo, Co Sligo http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=wsullivw http://www.gencircles.com/users/wsullivw http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/s/u/l/Walton--J-Sullivan/index.html