This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_899170783_boundary Content-ID: <0_899170783@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable I'm embarrassed to admit I'm a West Virginian. What an appalling disrega= rd=0Afor our past. I only have one response to describe the situation de= scribed=0Abelow: SOMEONE IS AN IDIOT! ------------------------ from Norway LISTOWNER: I am forwarding this message to all listers so you can be on the watchout= to=0Ahelp prevent situations like this from possibly occuring in your own city or county. Thanks Jo O= rvik=0Afor sending it over to me. Karla Norway listowner klabo@cport.com >Hi Karla, >Didn't know if this would be something the list would want to know about= . I >would be willing to bet this has happened before and/or will happen in t= he >future when somebody wants "more space" and has no interest in genealogy= .>Do with it what you want. >JO > >Fairmont -- Leatherbound books recording transactions between 1842 to 18= 80 >have been important to local genealogist, but now the historica books ar= e >gone - buried with the five bins of trash the Marion County Commission >hauled away from the Jacob's building last week. >Along with books were, boxes and files of papers dating back to Marion >County's inception in 1842. There were five floors that had books, boxes >and files to be removed. >Some of the books were Wills; others were Justice of the Peace books. Th= ere >may have been other records, but the article didn't say what all had bee= n >destoyed, because they didn't know. The article was a large article for >the paper. The historical and genealogical societies were NOT notified t= hat >the county had planned to discard the handwritten record books, files an= d >other etcs. >It seems the decision was made by the county commissioners (namely, Cody >Starcher) to clear out several floors from the Jacobs building (schedule= d >for renovation) in which these historical documents were stored. They >decided on their own that no one would want to go through all the files = to >separate out the salvagable and so decided to not tell anyone. They the= n >had the local garbage collectors come and clear out the books and >documents. > >************* >The story about the above first appeared in the Times West Virginian >(Fairmont, WV)Sunday,June 21, 1998. On Thursday, June 25, 1998 the bel= ow >follow-up story was published. >* * * >Dump off limits to historians >By Theresa Haynes >Times West Virginian Staff Writer > >FAIRMONT - >Genealogists who wanted to dig through the landfill in search of the >county's discarded pre-Civil War record books will not be allowed to >excavate the dump. =A0=A0Ron Chrislip, a local historian who has researc= hed >Marion County's past for more than 30 years, said he and four other peop= le >were prepared to go to the Meadowfill Landfill in Bridgeport to search f= or >the record books tossed last week. >But landfill officials halted the group's plans at the request of the >Marion County Commission. >The day books dating back to 1842 were among several tons of outdated >files, books and papers the commission removed from the historic Jacob's >building, which is undergoing renovation. >Chrislip said he and other genealogists wanted to dig up the historicall= y >valuable record books when they learned the books had been hauled away t= o >the dump, but the landfill told them there were confidential files among >the garbage. >Commissioner Cody Starcher said in an interview last week that the count= y >had received special permission from the state to include old juvenile >records in the six BFI Dumpster trash bins hauled to the dump. > "We are allowed to throw the juvenile records away after 20 years," he >said. "But they usually have to be shredded and burned." >Now local historians are concerned they will never see the priceless, >handwritten books again. >"I don't see how they will be retrieved," Chrislip said. "As a historian= I >have to be realistic. Now hopefully the county will preserve what is lef= t." >Chrislip said the leather-bound books were particularly valuable because >they recorded everything from the county clerk's office. >"Record keeping then was a very different process," he said. "We were st= ill >in Virginia and documents like that are very, very rare." >The historian said the records gave insight into a lifestyle long gone. = >"There is no oral history from that time, no photography and very little >written history. Through the day books we had a great deal of informatio= n >to interpret history," he said. >Chrislip agrees with the county commission that the books had no monetar= y >value, but he said the county has lost something culturally valuable. >He said 20 years ago he had searched for day books like the ones thrown >away and was told they did not exist. Years later he learned they were i= n >existence, but in "dead" storage. >The historian said he and other people interested in genealogy would hav= e >liked to have been given access to the books before they were discarded. >County Commission President James Sago and Starcher were not available f= or >comment Wednesday evening. >* * * >If you'd like to write the Editor of the WV Times, >The email address is: >timeswv@timeswv.com >LETTERS TO THE EDITOR: >All letters for publication should be so stated. >Requests for publication must include address & telephone number. >phone: (304) 367-2500 * Fax: (304) 367-2569 >Or postal mail to: >Times West Virginian >PO Box 2530 >Fairmont, WV 26555-2530 > > > --part0_899170783_boundary Content-ID: <0_899170783@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline Return-Path: <NORWAY-L-request@rootsweb.com> Received: from relay18.mx.aol.com (relay18.mail.aol.com [172.31.109.18]) by air10.mail.aol.com (v45.13) with SMTP; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 17:09:39 2000 Received: from fp-1.rootsweb.com (fp-1.rootsweb.com [207.113.233.233]) by relay18.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id RAA16311; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 17:08:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by fp-1.rootsweb.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA17679; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 14:07:54 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 14:07:54 -0700 (PDT) From: klabo@cport.com Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980629210956.006b6a28@cport.com> X-Sender: klabo@cport.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Old-Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 14:09:56 -0700 Old-To: <cjorvik@eot.com>, Norway-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: Fw: CALL TO ARMS Resent-Message-ID: <"OhFA8B.A.7TE.pIAm1"@fp-1.rootsweb.com> To: NORWAY-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: NORWAY-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: NORWAY-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <NORWAY-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/17524 X-Loop: NORWAY-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: NORWAY-L-request@rootsweb.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I am forwarding this message to all listers so you can be on the watchout to help prevent situations like this from possibly occuring in your own city or county. Thanks Jo Orvik for sending it over to me. Karla Norway listowner klabo@cport.com >Hi Karla, >Didn't know if this would be something the list would want to know about. I >would be willing to bet this has happened before and/or will happen in the >future when somebody wants "more space" and has no interest in genealogy. >Do with it what you want. >JO > >Fairmont -- Leatherbound books recording transactions between 1842 to 1880 >have been important to local genealogist, but now the historica books are >gone - buried with the five bins of trash the Marion County Commission >hauled away from the Jacob's building last week. >Along with books were, boxes and files of papers dating back to Marion >County's inception in 1842. There were five floors that had books, boxes >and files to be removed. >Some of the books were Wills; others were Justice of the Peace books. There >may have been other records, but the article didn't say what all had been >destoyed, because they didn't know. The article was a large article for >the paper. The historical and genealogical societies were NOT notified that >the county had planned to discard the handwritten record books, files and >other etcs. >It seems the decision was made by the county commissioners (namely, Cody >Starcher) to clear out several floors from the Jacobs building (scheduled >for renovation) in which these historical documents were stored. They >decided on their own that no one would want to go through all the files to >separate out the salvagable and so decided to not tell anyone. They then >had the local garbage collectors come and clear out the books and >documents. > >************* >The story about the above first appeared in the Times West Virginian >(Fairmont, WV)Sunday,June 21, 1998. On Thursday, June 25, 1998 the below >follow-up story was published. >* * * >Dump off limits to historians >By Theresa Haynes >Times West Virginian Staff Writer > >FAIRMONT - >Genealogists who wanted to dig through the landfill in search of the >county's discarded pre-Civil War record books will not be allowed to >excavate the dump.   Ron Chrislip, a local historian who has researched >Marion County's past for more than 30 years, said he and four other people >were prepared to go to the Meadowfill Landfill in Bridgeport to search for >the record books tossed last week. >But landfill officials halted the group's plans at the request of the >Marion County Commission. >The day books dating back to 1842 were among several tons of outdated >files, books and papers the commission removed from the historic Jacob's >building, which is undergoing renovation. >Chrislip said he and other genealogists wanted to dig up the historically >valuable record books when they learned the books had been hauled away to >the dump, but the landfill told them there were confidential files among >the garbage. >Commissioner Cody Starcher said in an interview last week that the county >had received special permission from the state to include old juvenile >records in the six BFI Dumpster trash bins hauled to the dump. > "We are allowed to throw the juvenile records away after 20 years," he >said. "But they usually have to be shredded and burned." >Now local historians are concerned they will never see the priceless, >handwritten books again. >"I don't see how they will be retrieved," Chrislip said. "As a historian I >have to be realistic. Now hopefully the county will preserve what is left." >Chrislip said the leather-bound books were particularly valuable because >they recorded everything from the county clerk's office. >"Record keeping then was a very different process," he said. "We were still >in Virginia and documents like that are very, very rare." >The historian said the records gave insight into a lifestyle long gone. >"There is no oral history from that time, no photography and very little >written history. Through the day books we had a great deal of information >to interpret history," he said. >Chrislip agrees with the county commission that the books had no monetary >value, but he said the county has lost something culturally valuable. >He said 20 years ago he had searched for day books like the ones thrown >away and was told they did not exist. Years later he learned they were in >existence, but in "dead" storage. >The historian said he and other people interested in genealogy would have >liked to have been given access to the books before they were discarded. >County Commission President James Sago and Starcher were not available for >comment Wednesday evening. >* * * >If you'd like to write the Editor of the WV Times, >The email address is: >timeswv@timeswv.com >LETTERS TO THE EDITOR: >All letters for publication should be so stated. >Requests for publication must include address & telephone number. >phone: (304) 367-2500 * Fax: (304) 367-2569 >Or postal mail to: >Times West Virginian >PO Box 2530 >Fairmont, WV 26555-2530 > > > ==== NORWAY Mailing List ==== --part0_899170783_boundary--