Hello list: I should have given the website for ordering the book: Making The Most of Your Research Trip to Salt Lake City by Paula Stuart Warren and James W. Warren 7th. ed. 1998-99 52pp. $9.50 National Genealogical Society: www.ngsgenealogy.org JoAnn

I My daughter and I spent a week there from 7:30 Mon morning to 10 pm Sat eve. The amount of information available is awesome. Go as well organized as you can be. Lectures are given daily. Try to take the lecture dealing with how to use the facility as early in the week as you can. You will learn what resources are in the main building but also other resources in other buildings. Remember Mormons do not use coffee. Take any instant coffee and make yourself a cup in the break room. You can bring any food you wish to bring and eat it there also. They have vending machines there. We found the staff, most of them volunteers, helpful and competent. They will show you how to make copies of any film image that you want to copy. You don't have to wait until someone does it for you. We chose an inexpensive hotel within 4 blocks of the library and it was fine. They served a continental breakfast. There are lots of eating places for lunch and dinner nearby. You will need the breaks. Good hunting! Most of all have fun! Ray Crooks At 12:00 AM 12/31/2000 -0800, you wrote: >GenTips-D Digest Volume 00 : Issue 176 > >Today's Topics: > #1 [GT] Research Trip [Pickett <kpickett@jc.net>] > #2 [GT] Book:_Going to Salt Lake City [Dolly Ziegler <dsz@bcpl.net>] > #3 [GT] Re: [PA] Research Trip [Pickett <kpickett@jc.net>] > >Administrivia: >To unsubscribe from GenTips-D, send a message to > > GenTips-D-request@rootsweb.com > >that contains in the body of the message the command > > unsubscribe > >and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software >requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > > >TO POST TO THE LIST, PLEASE SEND MAIL TO: > >Gentips-l@rootsweb.com > >______________________________X-Message: #1 >Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 13:55:47 -0600 >From: Pickett <kpickett@jc.net> >To: GenTips-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <3A4E3DC3.E0F1EB36@jc.net> >Subject: [GT] Research Trip >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >I finally get to go to the Mormon library in Salt Lake City! If the snow >doesn't get our >flight in February we will go then for a week of research. > >Anyone have any tips for me so I can prepare myself for researching as >best as possible >before getting there? > >I am going online at the LDS site and printing off the info on microfilms >that I want to >look at-- at least everything I can think of. > >Any other bits of advice for researching in the LDS library? > >Thanks for your help, > >Karen > >______________________________X-Message: #2 >Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 18:13:57 -0500 (EST) >From: Dolly Ziegler <dsz@bcpl.net> >To: GenTips-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0012301806170.15634-100000@mail> >Subject: [GT] Book:_Going to Salt Lake City (was: research trip) >Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > >Hello to Karen and the list. I want to recommend a really useful book for >those who are preparing for a trip to Salt Lake City to use the >library. One problem: I kinda, sorta, think there's a third edition now, >and the price may be higher. Can anyone post updated information? > >_Going to Salt Lake City to do Family History Research._ >By J. Carlyle Parker. Second edition, revised and expanded, 1993. >Marietta Publishing Co., 2115 North Denair Ave., Turlock, CA 95380. > >$12.95 + $1.50 shipping if ordered direct from publisher. > >I do recommend this book highly for making best use of your time at the >Family History Library. Usual disclaimer, I have no financial interest in >this. > >Cheers, >Dolly in Maryland > >______________________________X-Message: #3 >Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 18:19:19 -0600 >From: Pickett <kpickett@jc.net> >To: GenTips-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <3A4E7B87.55486699@jc.net> >Subject: [GT] Re: [PA] Research Trip >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Thanks to all who responded with tips for me! I am overwhelmed with your >generous help! > >Many suggested finding a copy of "Going to SLC to do Family History >Research" by J. Carlyle >Parker. Sounds like a great book and I will pick up a copy. > >Thanks again for all the help, > >Karen

Hi Everyone: Just want to wish each and everyone a very happy New Year! May all your walls come down and gggggrandmother appear in your dreams and tell you who,where and when she married. Or at least where she is buried :) Dorothy in sunny CA

Hello list: I found this book listed on the NGS website: Making Most of Your Research Trip to Salt Lake City by Paula Stuart Warren and James W. Warren 7th. ed. 1998-99 $9.50 52 pp. I'm planning to make the trip in June. JoAnn JNorman578@aol.com

Thanks to all who responded with tips for me! I am overwhelmed with your generous help! Many suggested finding a copy of "Going to SLC to do Family History Research" by J. Carlyle Parker. Sounds like a great book and I will pick up a copy. Thanks again for all the help, Karen

Hello to Karen and the list. I want to recommend a really useful book for those who are preparing for a trip to Salt Lake City to use the library. One problem: I kinda, sorta, think there's a third edition now, and the price may be higher. Can anyone post updated information? _Going to Salt Lake City to do Family History Research._ By J. Carlyle Parker. Second edition, revised and expanded, 1993. Marietta Publishing Co., 2115 North Denair Ave., Turlock, CA 95380. $12.95 + $1.50 shipping if ordered direct from publisher. I do recommend this book highly for making best use of your time at the Family History Library. Usual disclaimer, I have no financial interest in this. Cheers, Dolly in Maryland

I finally get to go to the Mormon library in Salt Lake City! If the snow doesn't get our flight in February we will go then for a week of research. Anyone have any tips for me so I can prepare myself for researching as best as possible before getting there? I am going online at the LDS site and printing off the info on microfilms that I want to look at-- at least everything I can think of. Any other bits of advice for researching in the LDS library? Thanks for your help, Karen

Does anyone have CD#919, New York Census Index? It isn't on the CD Lookup list yet, and I'm curious about what page Jasper GREGORY appears. He should be listed in Essex County, NY. Thanks. Kathy

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Dorothy, please let us know what you find out. Very interesting subject. Thanks, Jan GenTips-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Subject: > > GenTips-D Digest Volume 00 : Issue 172 > > Today's Topics: > #1 [GT] Re: GenTips-D Digest V00 #171 [SantiDClaireS@aol.com] > > Administrivia: > To unsubscribe from GenTips-D, send a message to > > GenTips-D-request@rootsweb.com > > that contains in the body of the message the command > > unsubscribe > > and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software > requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > > TO POST TO THE LIST, PLEASE SEND MAIL TO: > > Gentips-l@rootsweb.com > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: [GT] Re: GenTips-D Digest V00 #171 > Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 19:48:06 EST > From: SantiDClaireS@aol.com > To: GenTips-L@rootsweb.com > > Hi All > Merry Christmas and a very Happy,Healthy New Year to everyone. I am posting > this query to all the lists I belong to because I know that someone, > somewhere knows the answer. I am researching my sisters family for her. Her > mother in law was born in India (when it belonged to England, of course) I > have located on the IGI the date and place: 1903 in Lahore, Lahore Division, > Pakistan (now). As we have been told her father was a police officer. Does > anyone know how I can obtain a birth certificate for her?? I thought about > contacting the Pakistani embassy but maybe the British took all their records > with them when they got out of India. I know they kept themselves separate > in many ways from the native population. Does anyone know for sure?? Thanks, > Dorothy in So California

Hi All Merry Christmas and a very Happy,Healthy New Year to everyone. I am posting this query to all the lists I belong to because I know that someone, somewhere knows the answer. I am researching my sisters family for her. Her mother in law was born in India (when it belonged to England, of course) I have located on the IGI the date and place: 1903 in Lahore, Lahore Division, Pakistan (now). As we have been told her father was a police officer. Does anyone know how I can obtain a birth certificate for her?? I thought about contacting the Pakistani embassy but maybe the British took all their records with them when they got out of India. I know they kept themselves separate in many ways from the native population. Does anyone know for sure?? Thanks, Dorothy in So California

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I for one am glad to hear about ink jet refills and find it very much in keeping with geneology since making many copies gets very pricey. Keep this great info coming. Thanks. Marilyn

Elaine Treharne edited an anthology on "Old and Middle English", (copyright 2000, by Blackwell Publishers Ltd); suggesting "In simplified terms, the Angles, the Saxons and the Jutes brought versions of this [West Germanic branch of Indo-European] dialect with them when they settled in the fifth century in what came to be known as England." . . . "Old English [West Saxon, Northumbrian, Kentish and Mercian] is the language used in speech by the Anglo-Saxons from the fifth century to the twelfth. In the case of written records, Old English was used regularly from the ninth century, although there are some texts surviving from the eighth." . . . "It is during the reign of King Alfred of Wessex (871-99) that . . . Old English became authorized as a language for written texts." . . . "While throughout the centuries of Anglo- Saxon rule, Latin had been used widely in addition to English as an official and literary language in England for a variety of administrative, ecclesiastical and scholarly writings, {13} after the Conquest, Latin and French displaced English as an official language. Thus there was no longer a standard English literary version for scribes to adhere to in their writings." . . . "English did continue to be copied throughout the period; numerous manuscripts survive from the second half of the eleventh century into the late twelfth and beyond." . . . "In the last quarter of the twelfth century, English was used for the composition of important, original texts . . . and by the beginning of the thirteenth century, English was used for many writings {9} originating in the West Midlands area, a region that had retained a nationalistic pride, and had continued the prose literary traditions of the Anglo-Saxon past." . . . "the twelfth century is the transitional phase, as Old English becomes early Middle English. . . . texts that survive are written in a variety of different dialects (Kentish, Southern, East Midland, West Midland, Northern) . . . represented in Middle English by different spellings of the same word . . . by different inflexions, or endings, on nouns, adjectives and verbs, and by different vocabulary." ["she, the feminine pronoun. Before the year 1000, there was no she in English; just heo, which singular females had to share with plurals of all genders because it meant they as well. In the twelfth century, however, she appeared, and she has been with us ever since. She may derive from the Old English feminine demonstrative pronoun seo or sio, or from Viking invasions." The Oxford English Dictionary explains: "The phonetic development of various dialects had in the twelfth and thirteenth centuries rendered the pronouns he (masc.) and heo (fem.) almost or wholly indistinguishable in pronunciation. There was therefore, where these dialects were spoken, a strong motive for using the unambiguous feminine demonstrative instead of the feminine personal pronoun. Further, the districts in which she or sho first appears in the place of heo are marked by the abundance of Scandinavian elements in the dialect and place-names; and in Old Norse the demonstrative pronoun (of all genders) is often used as a personal pronoun."] "This extends into the fifteenth century when the beginning of Standard English can be traced, influenced primarily by dialects from the East Midlands and London area, and initiated by Chancery scribes, among others." . . . "Because scribes, or the compilers of manuscripts, often acted in an editorial capacity, we cannot always be sure that what we are reading is what the author actually intended." . . . "Printing in England did not begin until the end of the fifteenth century, and there is no comparable mass-production of writing materials prior to this invention. Literacy in the Anglo-Saxon period was confined to relatively few people: those of the aristocratic stratum of society, and those who chose to enter a monastic or regular religious life. . . . Manuscripts were . . . costly in terms of labour and resources to produce, and only relatively wealthy individuals and institutions, or educated people, owned or had access to them." Early Modern English (1500-1800) "The next wave of innovation in English came with the Renaissance. The revival of classical scholarship brought many classical Latin and Greek words into the Language." Late-Modern English (1800-Present) "At its height, Britain ruled one quarter of the earth's surface, and English adopted many foreign words and made them its own." . . . "The most significant linguistic consequence of the British Empire was the creation and spread of American English. The American dialect has been a major contributor to the language, and is on the path to overtake British English as the standard." http://www.wilton.net/histeng.htm#early Currently, Geoffrey Nunberg has noted in The American Prospect Online; Vol. 11, Issue 10 Mar 27-Apr 10, 2000; that "The Internet was basically an American development, and it naturally spread most rapidly among the other countries of the English-speaking world. Right now, for example, there are roughly as many Internet users in Australia as in either France or Italy, and the English-speaking world as a whole accounts for over 80 percent of top- level Internet hosts and generates close to 80 percent of Internet traffic." http://www.prospect.org/archives/V11-10/nunberg-g.html SEE ALSO: Anglo-Saxonists >From the 16th through the 20th Century http://www.u.arizona.edu/~ctb/saxon.html History of the English Language http://ebbs.english.vt.edu/hel/hel.html American Dialect Society "Founded more than a century ago, the American Dialect Society still is the only scholarly association dedicated to the study of the English language in North America - and of other languages, or dialects of other languages, influencing it or influenced by it." http://www.americandialect.org/ Respectfully yours, Tom Tinney, Sr. Genealogy and History Internet Web Directory http://www.dcn.davis.ca.us/~vctinney/ "Free Coverage of the Genealogy World in a Nutshell" Who's Who in America, Millennium Edition [54th] - Who's Who In The West, 1998/1999 Who's Who In Genealogy and Heraldry, [both editions]

Hello to Nancy and the list. _The Source_ (revised ed. 1997) is one of the four reference books I use most often for U.S. research (there are also chapters on tracking immigrant origins, native Americans, Hispanics and Jewish-Americans.) The how-tos for all types of records, and the very useful appendixes listing addresses of various archives and societies, are where I go first with a question. What questions were asked in each federal census? Are there Soundex indexes? The census chapter answers these questions. This is not a book I'd recommend for a family-history beginner; it's a great resource for someone who wants to "get serious" about research. For *beginners*, I'd suggest the splendid research outlines from the Family History Library (LDS Church.) You can print them out (free) on <www.familysearch.org,> or buy paper copies at any Family History Center --prices are 50 cents, 75 cents and $1, all U.S. funds. Prices will be similar in other countries. No one asked, but the other three reference books I use most often are: _Handy Book for Genealogists_, Everton Publishers, now in 9th edition _Map Guide to the U.S. Federal Censuses, 1790-1920_, Genealogical Publishing Co. _State Census Records_ by Ann S. Lainhart, also Gen. Pub. Co. Usual disclaimer, I have no financial interest in any of these books. Hope this information is useful to some on the list. Cheers, Dolly in Maryland ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On Mon, 11 Dec 2000 NancysCrnr@aol.com wrote: > Does anyone have any information on this book, The Source.? > Ancestry.com is offering this book along with a subscription and would > like to get an idea if anyone thinks it is really worth the cost. I > believe the book is at least $50.

At 01:42 PM 12/11/2000, NancysCrnr@aol.com wrote: >Does anyone have any information on this book, The Source.? Ancestry.com >is offering this book along with a subscription and would like to get an idea >if anyone thinks it is really worth the cost. I believe the book is at >least $50. I have this book, also through an Ancestry subscription, and find it very helpful. It is a reference book, and big and heavy, so it isn't something to take with you on research trips. But it gives excellent descriptions of various record sources, how to utilize them, what to expect, etc. It also is available on CD-ROM from Ancestry as part of the Ancestry Reference Library (which sometimes comes with a subscription). It is handy to have the CD-ROM version for research trips (if you have a laptop) and to look things up quickly. But I like having the actual book for in-depth study of record sources. Let me know if you'd like more detailed information about the contents of the book. Sarajane Storm mailto:sarajstorm@home.com

Does anyone have any information on this book, The Source.? Ancestry.com is offering this book along with a subscription and would like to get an idea if anyone thinks it is really worth the cost. I believe the book is at least $50. NancysCrnr@aol.com

In answer to J.P. Mone's query about information on regiments, here is the ultimate source: http://www.egroups.com/links/britregiments and the FAQ's at http://www.egroups.com/database/britregiments?method=reportRows&tbl=1 Actually these are the links pages, the only addresses I have retained, but you should be able to work your way to the subscription page. It is one of the many e-groups list forums, very active (subscribe in Digest forum) and with experts that are a great help. Regards, LeRoy Ferguson Madrid, Spain