Another idea from my professional genealogist friend. Regarding families that are being researched: Have a file folder for each head of family being searched. Put in your working group sheets. (NEVER take the copies of the marriage certificates, etc. to the library with you...too many never get home again.) Carol recommends using a different group sheet for each source found, because sometimes sources conflict. Then one can spread the six (or however many group sheets) out around you and evaluate the possible reliability of each source. When you prove something to your personal satisfaction, then put it on a separate group sheet that is done in a different color, perhaps red. {Remember these are all work group sheets, not the final pretty copy} The different color will help show up holes that need to be filled in yet. If using a microfilm of marriage records and the marriages of Mom & Dad and all 10 kids is in that one film, it isn't necessary to put in 11 group sheets, since all the marriage data is from one source: Microfilm #______, FHC, Marriage records of Knox co TN. Put all the marriage info on the same working group sheet. If you've made xerox copies, they can either go into the work folder, or into your marriage documents folder with appropriate notation on the working group sheet where you can find those copies in a hurry if you need to find them...but always saying where the copy came from. Anyway, the system helps when weeding through bits & pieces, especially with those families where data comes in very slowly. Karen

A friend who is a professional genealogist made these suggestions to me for keeping things organized that may not be connected. They're called enclosure files and you develop them according to your needs. It becomes relatively easy to find things, and your own family copies can be included, or not, as you wish. Get a box of file folders. Folders should be labeled according to the type of document you're keeping inside: Census records, marriage records, wills, etc. You can, depending on how many copies you're getting, break that down further into more specific categories: Census records, PA 1870, PA 1880, NE 1885. Each file folder has a sheet that summarizes why you made the copy that you put in. A piece of notebook paper will do fine. Each copy gets a number chronologically as it gets put in, and that number corresponds to the number on the summary sheet. Example: copy #3 in the NE 1885 folder has Sides, John (It also has other folks on it, but "John" is the reason I copied it.) copy #4 has Sides, Alexander, copy #5 Ebersole, Benjamin. If you're looking for a particular person, you can glance at the summary sheet and quickly see if you have them on the list. You can also scan each sheet to see if someone you hadn't been looking for previously got copied when you copied John or Alexander or Anna, but since this new one isn't who you were originally looking for, their name doesn't appear on the summary sheet. This can be adapted to families if you prefer. John Sides: copies inside could include: #1 1870 PA census, #2 marriage certificate, #3 1880 NE census, #4 1885 NE census. (I DON'T put duplicate copies in each folder, which is why I separate documents into types...rather than putting all documents into a family folder. I also collect data on people I don't know a relationship to on my families, since most of my families don't have extrememly common names [although I do have a Miller line in PA]. John's marriage certificate could conceivably appear in three folders: his as head of household, his as a child, his wife Mary Gish's as a child) On my working group sheets, I make my notations for reference that John was x# of years old in 1885, NE 1885 census, Zero twp, Adams Co, line#__, page___. See census folder NE 1885, enclosure #3. That way, I can quickly refer to the correct file folder if needed in a hurry. (I do not put the enclosure # on final finished group sheets, just the reference data for documentation.) It's taking effort to regroup my years' worth of stacks of copies into this useable form, but I'm finding it worthwhile. No more pawing through piles--well of the ones I've gotten organized that is. I wish I had known about this system when I started. And yes, I computerize known relatives, but then do a printout for a worksheet, I can add more data as I find it. Karen

I am also getting repeated messages. It's a pain to go through all of them twice. Lois

But is there genealogy data (names, dates, events, etc.) to research at nara.gov and not just info if you physically visit one of the locations?? Thanks, Jim. E. -----Original Message----- From: Charlotte Mattern <cmattern@citizen.infi.net> To: GenTips-L@rootsweb.com <GenTips-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Saturday, June 13, 1998 11:52 AM Subject: NARA Research >I hope that everyone that is making a special trip to NARA in >Washington, D.C. (or any of the branches) checks out the site at >NARA.gov. This has much information on what is available, times open, >etc. there is also a book called something like Researching at NARA. >This may be out of date now, I don't know. >Charlotte > > >==== GenTips Mailing List ==== >To contact the GenTips list owner, use converse@alltel.net > > > > >

I too get many messages repeated. Do they come thru different lists? It sure takes a lot longer to go thru them all

Hi Marcia, Were you the one looking for help with a deleted folder? If so, you ISP should have a copy of all your mail. Most servers will keep mail---even mail you've deleted off your mail mode---for 30 days. Contact them and see if they don't have it. Good Luck! LCranston

the IGI does not contain ALL people of the world, It is a file of those names submitted to the LDS Church to be included. True, there are millions of names there, but maybe no one ever submitted names for your family. It is a good index, but you could also try the Ancestral File at an LDS FHC which may contain names that the IGI does not. Pam J ---------- From: MGulluscio@aol.com[SMTP:MGulluscio@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 1998 5:36 PM To: GenTips-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Newcomer I've tried looking for our name "Taverniti" on the Italy IGI at LDS center and found none. As a new researcher can someone tell me why our family wouldn't be there if I know they were born there? How is the IGI made up? Thanks, mgulluscio@aol.com ==== GenTips Mailing List ==== If you need to unsubscribe to GenTips email the command: unsubscribe To: GenTips-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com DON'T send it to GenTips-L that won't work!

Why not look into Logitech PageScan Color scanner. Mine came with the Paper Master software and Adobe Photodeluxe. Paid $270 over a year ago and they are much cheaper now. That is if you're in need of a scanner too. Patsy patsy@penn.com

Marcia, I think that F868114 is a microfilm number in the LDS collection. If you are near and LDS FHC go look that person up in the IGI files and it will list the film number, names of person submitting infomation, etc. I would guess that 1984 refers to the year it was submitted to the IGI. Hopes this helps. Pam J ---------- From: marcia collins[SMTP:mcollins@sfths.sft434.k12.ks.us] Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 1998 5:15 PM To: GenTips-L@rootsweb.com Subject: IGI FILES ? I have received a copy of a family group record that IS My BUSSELL family! It came to me in the mail, without a letter of WHO sent it! I thank whoever did from the bottom of my heart. I am sure they forgot to put in their name. Could someone answer a question about this sheet? At the top it has a number stamped on it F868114. Their is the name Dana Kay Daughtery Curnow, and under it, a name and address that I cannot read. it says at the bottom it is IGI 1984. This tells me that I am not alone in researching MY BUSSELL'S as someone has submitted inf. on the one's I research. How can I find who submitted this? I appreciate your input here, as I am lost. Thank you Marcia Moore Collins http://www.angelfire.com/ks/windshipgenhelp/ ==== GenTips Mailing List ==== Family Workings: http://www.familyworkings.com A site to help researchers break through those brickwalls.  Lots of links, subcatagorized, ancestor queries, tips, and cemetary research.  Looking for research donations of: Cemetaries, obits, volunteer researchers, and anything else that may be of interest to other researchers.  Submit links, ancestor queries and tips. Check it out

In a message dated 6/16/98 7:22:43 PM Central Daylight Time, MGulluscio@aol.com writes: << GenTips-L@rootsweb.com >> The IGI is an index of temple work done by the LDS Church. While it is an excellent index to locate people in an area, at least part of the data on it would have minimal interest to non-LDS. Names show up there because names have been submitted to temple work either by members or done as part of a project to do extraction of data from original sources to provide names for the temple. If your people aren't there, either no member is doing temple work on the family, or the area was not on the list to have been extracted. It does NOT mean that your people weren't where you thought they were from. It just means a little more work to get into the original records yourself to locate your family. If you have questions about temple work & what it means to an LDS person, e- mail me privately. It would have no significance to someone who is not LDS. . . except that to be on the list as having had temple work done will help relatives find them. Karen

I am getting two and three of the same message from this listing <GenTips-L@rootsweb.com. Is anyone else receiving rereated messages. Jack Na-Ginnah Enterprises, LLC Karen S. Hannigan, President, Owner John "Jack" Dennis Hannigan, Vice President 5523 Sable Court Fort Wayne, IN 46835 219-485-2698

Edith, You have written: I have notebooks for each family's family group sheets. I keep the documents in a notebook by family. I use the plastic page holders for the documents. As I'm accumulating more paper, I am thinking about just putting them in file folders by type of document (Ex. census) and by family. This is my weak spot. I guess one problem is that it is more fun to play on the computer than to do the actual filing. Maybe I need to print out a list of the subfolders in my genealogy folder and use that as a guide for filing the actual papers. How do the rest of you deal with the paper? --------------- Let me tell you a trick I learned - I have made a pedigree chart and numbered each name on the chart according to rule. Then I made a file folder for each number. Men are always even numbers and women are always odd. I only have folders for men at this point. My father is 2, his father 4, his father 8, etc. If you have trouble on the numbering system let me know. Then for the information I gather for that man's family I file within that folder. If the folder becomes too full I split it up as such: #4 folder would be split up by his children in order of birth - #4-1, #4-2, #4-3 etc. This will keep you going for quite a while. Then all you must remember to recoup the information is the family surname and approximate generation. Of course on the label I write the # of the folder and the name of the party - #4 Smith, Michael. You could even go so far as the add 1875-1945. Hope this helps someone. I started out with the notebook too but became overwhelmed with papers in no time. Patsy patsy@penn.com

The IGI lists several hundred million names of deceased persons throughout the world. The index does notc ontain records of living people. Many names in the index come from vital records from the early 1500s to about 1885 (extracted from microfilmed records). Others have been submitted by members of the LDS Church. I don't think there are too many records from Italy that have been extracted yet, but there are more all the time. Remember there are two separate parts to the IGI--the original and an addendum containing additional records--make sure you check BOTH. There is a leaflet called "Using the INternation Genealogical Index on compact disc" that is available at your local FHC for just a few cents. Also make sure you run the different kinds of searches -- Individual, Marriage and Parent-- You can find children of a set of parents grouped together in a Parent search--wonderful for connecting entire families. The Ancestral file is submissions from all over the world creating a great linked family tree. However, remember that these are submissions from people and there are many mistakes. Be sure to do further research to verify the information. There is also a leaflet on "Using Ancestral File" available at ther FHC. Included in both the IGI and Ancestral File is information on how to track down the source of the records. Happy Hunting Julee >From: MGulluscio@aol.com >Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 19:36:41 EDT >Subject: Newcomer >To: GenTips-L@rootsweb.com > >I've tried looking for our name "Taverniti" on the Italy IGI at LDS center and >found none. As a new researcher can someone tell me why our family wouldn't be >there if I know they were born there? How is the IGI made up? >Thanks, >mgulluscio@aol.com > > >==== GenTips Mailing List ==== >If you need to unsubscribe to GenTips email the command: >unsubscribe >To: >GenTips-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com >DON'T send it to GenTips-L that won't work! > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

I have received a copy of a family group record that IS My BUSSELL family! It came to me in the mail, without a letter of WHO sent it! I thank whoever did from the bottom of my heart. I am sure they forgot to put in their name. Could someone answer a question about this sheet? At the top it has a number stamped on it F868114. Their is the name Dana Kay Daughtery Curnow, and under it, a name and address that I cannot read. it says at the bottom it is IGI 1984. This tells me that I am not alone in researching MY BUSSELL'S as someone has submitted inf. on the one's I research. How can I find who submitted this? I appreciate your input here, as I am lost. Thank you Marcia Moore Collins http://www.angelfire.com/ks/windshipgenhelp/

---------- From: "Linda" <hill@ctelcom.net> To: GenTips-L@rootsweb.com Subject: 1870 Census Index for AR Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 16:37:04 -0500 Does anyone have access to the 1870 Census Index for Arkansa? I am trying to find the county, that JAMES C. HILL was located in, in 1870 AR. Would appreciate if some one could look this up for me. Thank you Linda hill@ctelcom.net I am looking for James Monroe Douglas. I don't know which county he may have been living in during 1870. He was born in AR. I, also, would appreciate a 1870 Arkansas look up. Thanks, Linda lost@lightspeed.net ==== GenTips Mailing List ==== If you need to unsubscribe to GenTips email the command: unsubscribe To: GenTips-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com DON'T send it to GenTips-L that won't work!

Hi All, I had to get this on the web for all those WALKERs searching out there. I had an uncle whose name was Heinrich Leonhardt Niederwohrmann who was born in Geestemunde, Germany, about 1895. He entered this country (sometime before 1915) and they wrote the correct name. He changed his name legally, sometime between 1916 and 1919, because he was tired of people saying, "Niederwhaaaat?". Even the judge said it and he responded that was exactly why he wanted it changed. When he was asked what he wanted it to be he said he did not care as long as it could be pronounced easily. The judge rattled off some names like, Smith, Jones, Green and finally he said Walker and that is when Heinrich said that name was ok with him. The judge changed the spelling and gave him the new name. If I do not tell anyone, they will not know where to search, thinking he came to this country with the name and will keep looking for Henry Leonard WALKER. These lists are archived so now he is on the web, just in case someone is looking for a lost relative with a name like Neiderwohrmann from Geestemunde, Germany. A long time ago I looked on a map and Geestemunde was about 100 miles from Frankfort. (sp) His mother's name was Anna Loring and his father was Fritz Niederewohrmann. Marcia in CA rejoice wrote: > > Hi All, > > Once I worked with someone who's name was (shall I > call her Smith). Everyone told her she did not look

Hi All, Once I worked with someone who's name was (shall I call her Smith). Everyone told her she did not look like a Smith. When her dad died, they had trouble collecting his insurance because his name was not Smith. His name was hard to pronounce there for he decided (not legally) to change his name. When he married he did so under his "new name" and his wife did not know it. I am sure this has happened more than once. Elaine of Pa. ---"by way of Genealogy Records Service <info@genrecords.com>" <RalphK@aol.com> wrote: > > > In a message dated 5/31/98 9:20:39 PM, brodey@monroe.lib.mi.us wrote: > > <<At Ellis Rothe became Rode. Meier- also from Germany is pronounced Meyer. > > Meier became Meyer or Meyers or a variation of many other spellings at Ellis > > Island. The transcribers could not speak all the languages and our ancestors > > could not speak or write enough English to correct the transciber.>> > > Bette Sutton Rodey and GenTippers, > > With all do respect for Bette's opinion, I feel that it is not correct to > blame the clerks at Ellis Island for surname changes. There is plenty of > evidence that immigrants had to have papers upon entry and their names were > spelled out correctly. The clerks simply copied the names. If your ancestors > used an Americanized version of their original name we must look else where > for reasons. > > Ralph Komives > ________ > web page revised 4-20-98 > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > <http://members.aol.com/RalphK/DocumentSearch.html>http://members.aol.com/R > alphK/DocumentSearch.html > Document Searches in Washington, D.C. Area and Annapolis, MD. > > > ==== GenTips Mailing List ==== > Don't forget to stop by our business web page for FREE genealogy forms and charts! We are adding more all the time!!!! > http://www.genrecords.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

Does anyone have access to the 1870 Census Index for Arkansa? I am trying to find the county, that JAMES C. HILL was located in, in 1870 AR. Would appreciate if some one could look this up for me. Thank you Linda hill@ctelcom.net

Remember this??? You may want to send this (Cc address) place what you sent me before .... there have been several queries on this matter .. Dick ROCKALL@aol.com wrote: > > I read I believe on the Scotch-Irish List that the 1911 Canadian Census which > was supposed to have been placed in the Canadian Archives this year for the > public will not be made public nor will later censuses. It has to do with the > Canadians promise of privacy for information given on the censuses. Needless > to say the Canadian genealogists are upset. > > Ms G > rockall@aol.com > > ==== GenTips Mailing List ==== > Support online research! Donate to the RootsWeb Genealogical Project! See more information at: > http://www.rootsweb.com

I recently told someone that I would help research his/her family members in Michigan at my local FHC. I got to the library today and I was missing the page I had printed of his e-mail with all the names he needed. I am so sorry. If you are on this list please contact me again. I'm not usually so unorganized, and I really don't break promises. Bette Sutton Rodey brodey@monroe.lib.mi.us