This is wonderful new! do you mean that a woman would name her child for a Dead husband that was NOT the father? if so, you may have helped me answer a long and fruitless search! thanks -----Original Message----- From: D. Christian <daledana@flash.net> To: GenTips-L@rootsweb.com <GenTips-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Thursday, June 18, 1998 6:33 AM Subject: Re: NAMES..AREA'S OR ERA? >Karen, > >The naming pattern you mentioned for Scotland was also followed in Norway. Also, >they followed the naming pattern even if both people had the same name! It was >not unusual to have children who were living named the same name. I have found a >family who had 2 Ole Jensens, one born about 1786 and one born about 1795 both >alive in the 1801 Norwegian census. In addition, if a spouse was widowed and >remarried, the first child born to the new couple was named for the deceased >spouse. > >Dana Christian > >OmahaMom@aol.com wrote: > >> Naming customs may depend on the ethnic group doing the naming. Some have >> very specific patterns that are usually followed (there are always some that >> don't follow tradition). >> Just to give you an ethnic naming pattern, the one that was the typical >> pattern in Scotland: >> 1st son: dad's father >> 2nd son: mom's father >> 3rd son: dad, unless dad were named after his father. >> 1st daughter: mom's mother >> 2nd daughter: dad's mother >> 3rd daughter: mom >> >> While it isn't a 100% guarantee, it often gives good solid clues about the >> possible identity of the next generation back. Worth looking at--just in >> case. >> >> Usually, but not always, a second child in the family with the same name as an >> earlier child meant that the first child had died. >> >> Karen >> >> ==== GenTips Mailing List ==== >> If you need to unsubscribe to GenTips email the command: >> unsubscribe >> To: >> GenTips-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com >> DON'T send it to GenTips-L that won't work! > > > > >==== GenTips Mailing List ==== >To contact the GenTips list owner, use converse@alltel.net > > > >

Yes, they are selling a second edition. I think if you visit www.ancestry.com (I hope this is the right place... I definitely read about it this week) and read the newsletters that have been posted over the past week, it'll tell you about it and I think it also explains when the first edition will be shipped. --Pam in CA >Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 23:34:49 -0400 >From: Elaine Maddox <elainetm@worldnet.att.net> >Reply-To: elainetm@worldnet.att.net >Subject: Re: Cookbook >To: GenTips-L@rootsweb.com > >I've read that they are already selling a second Homespun cookbook. Whether >this information is listed at the rootsweb site, I don't know. Hopefully, >someone knows. Good luck. > >Elaine > >marcia collins wrote: > >> hope not, I ordered one too. I did write to the list that advertised it, >> they said it would mail mid June. I am sure it will. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: SKirby6119@aol.com <SKirby6119@aol.com> >> To: GenTips-L@rootsweb.com <GenTips-L@rootsweb.com> >> Date: Thursday, June 18, 1998 2:59 PM >> Subject: Cookbook >> >> >Date: 6/18/98 >> >From: Skirby6119@aol.com >> > >> >Does anyone recall back in February or March seeing a note about the >> "Homespun >> >Cookbook" which was being sold to assist one of the gen webs? I forgot to >> >save the address and I have not received the book yet? I am thinking it >> was >> >supposed to come out about now. Have I been had? >> > > > > > >==== GenTips Mailing List ==== >To contact the GenTips list owner, use converse@alltel.net > > > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

In order to avoid problems with other people selling one's hard work on a family history, perhaps it would be better to send copies to public libraries or historical societies near the places your ancestors lived. There these could be seen by interested folks but not sold.. For example, I know several historical societies/libraries that have vertical files of family histories and accept such donations as family group sheets. MaisieAnn@aol.com Hudson, OH

I am a new subscriber & new at the computer. How do I read the gen newsletters when it says "too long, open in wod processor". I am reading this mail in AOL. I don't know how to get to the microsoft where my wordprocessing is located. Can someone help me. mgulluscio@aol.com

Karen, The naming pattern you mentioned for Scotland was also followed in Norway. Also, they followed the naming pattern even if both people had the same name! It was not unusual to have children who were living named the same name. I have found a family who had 2 Ole Jensens, one born about 1786 and one born about 1795 both alive in the 1801 Norwegian census. In addition, if a spouse was widowed and remarried, the first child born to the new couple was named for the deceased spouse. Dana Christian OmahaMom@aol.com wrote: > Naming customs may depend on the ethnic group doing the naming. Some have > very specific patterns that are usually followed (there are always some that > don't follow tradition). > Just to give you an ethnic naming pattern, the one that was the typical > pattern in Scotland: > 1st son: dad's father > 2nd son: mom's father > 3rd son: dad, unless dad were named after his father. > 1st daughter: mom's mother > 2nd daughter: dad's mother > 3rd daughter: mom > > While it isn't a 100% guarantee, it often gives good solid clues about the > possible identity of the next generation back. Worth looking at--just in > case. > > Usually, but not always, a second child in the family with the same name as an > earlier child meant that the first child had died. > > Karen > > ==== GenTips Mailing List ==== > If you need to unsubscribe to GenTips email the command: > unsubscribe > To: > GenTips-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com > DON'T send it to GenTips-L that won't work!

I have twice sent for the from 80 I need to order the civil war records I am interested in. It has been at least 5 weeks since I received verification that I had ordered the forms, The letter stated they would be mailed within 3 business days. I still have not received them. Has anyone else had problems getting these form? Thank you Marcia Moore Collins http://www.angelfire.com/ks/windshipgenhelp/

I received the same message. I have subscribed to Missing Links, by the same two ladies, and have enjoyed it very much. Myra Vanderpool Gormley, CG is a reputable genealogist and her work appears in many genealogy publications. This is how/where they got your name, and others, to send the message to. >The initial list of subscribers consists of those we know have >used RootsWeb or are subscribers to "Missing Links," CJ _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

Hello Everyone, Thank all of you who wrote to reassure me that the Rootsweb msg. is legitimate. Someone even reminded me that a while back these two ladies has sent out a query asking if I wanted to be included on the mailing list and that I must have said "yes". Unfortunately, my mind is slowing going (although it seems to be escalating here lately) and I have to concede that this must be true. For those of you who wrote to tell me that they already have my address so not to worry, I did understand that part. However, I do know that many folk will ask you to reply to confirm that your address is still active when they have purchased such from lists. Again, thank each of you for taking the time to reply. I really do appreciate it. LCranston

I was wondering if someone happens to know more of naming convictions than I ? That would not be hard! Here is what I am observing. I see several names come through that do not seem to be in use much now, I wonder if there were names that were used more in a certain area than in another, one example is DOCIE and DICIE, also DOVIE seems to be used fairly often in my family, I had thot it to be a nickname, but I see it in other families also. Rosa Bell is another name I see pop up at times. My family has run me ragged as so many use the middle name , but when signing a document, I.e. land patent, it has been signed with the full name. How were children names?, was it usually for the father's father for sons? , was it usual for the wife's maiden name to be given as a middle name..if so, this could be a clue. I appreciate your thots on this Thank you Marcia Moore Collins http://www.angelfire.com/ks/windshipgenhelp/

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I did receive it, and some of the people are pretty heavy-weight in the genealogical field. I think I will probably enjoy it, but then I don't have limitations on the size of my mail. For those who do, the newsletter may present a problem. Elaine theshadow wrote: > Hi Folks, > Did anyone else get this msg. along with a 10 pg. block of info > from these folks? I know I could just "unsubscribe", but am leery of > sending out my address to just anyone who somehow or another has > access to my address and appears to be using it to promote information > I may or may not want. This is quite a bit of info generated into > mailboxes without prior approval of the recipents---and, you have to > "unsubscribe". If you do nothing, you will continue to receive this > info. Not sure I like this, but haven't quite decided why not yet. > What's your opinion? > LCranston > > ROOTSWEB REVIEW: Genealogical Data Cooperative Weekly News > Vol. 1, No. 1, 17 June 1998 > Copyright (c) 1998 RootsWeb Genealogical Data Cooperative > > Editors: Julia M. Case and Myra Vanderpool Gormley, CG > > This is the premier issue of the RootsWeb Review, a weekly e-zine > with news about RootsWeb happenings, new mailing lists and Web > sites, a continuing tutorial on using RootsWeb's resources, > <snip>

Hi Folks, Did anyone else get this msg. along with a 10 pg. block of info from these folks? I know I could just "unsubscribe", but am leery of sending out my address to just anyone who somehow or another has access to my address and appears to be using it to promote information I may or may not want. This is quite a bit of info generated into mailboxes without prior approval of the recipents---and, you have to "unsubscribe". If you do nothing, you will continue to receive this info. Not sure I like this, but haven't quite decided why not yet. What's your opinion? LCranston ROOTSWEB REVIEW: Genealogical Data Cooperative Weekly News Vol. 1, No. 1, 17 June 1998 Copyright (c) 1998 RootsWeb Genealogical Data Cooperative Editors: Julia M. Case and Myra Vanderpool Gormley, CG This is the premier issue of the RootsWeb Review, a weekly e-zine with news about RootsWeb happenings, new mailing lists and Web sites, a continuing tutorial on using RootsWeb's resources, monthly statistics, news from major hosted activities such as USGenWeb, USGenWeb Archives, WorldGenWeb, and Cyndi's List, schedules for IIGS/RootsWeb IRC, and other information of interest to RootsWeb users and the genealogical community. The initial list of subscribers consists of those we know have used RootsWeb or are subscribers to "Missing Links," which has just moved to RootsWeb. To continue to receive RootsWeb Review, do nothing. However, if you would prefer not to receive future issues of RootsWeb Review, just send a message to RootsWeb-Review-L-request@rootsweb.com and put the word "unsubscribe" (omit the quotation marks) in the subject line and in the body of the message. Please remember to turn off your signature file before sending the message.

I would like my fellow genealogist advice. I have FTM 4.0, I have researched (8) brarnches of my family line, witch include a little over 6,000 names and documents in my database. As you know this is a lot of time, work and expense. My FTM program keeps asking me to submit my work. However, I have noticed, that if I do submit to them, they claim the copyright to what I submitted. At this point I can't bring myself to give up the copyright to years of expensive, hard work. I fell like their going to put my work on a disk and sell it to others. When I would gladly give copies of my work to interested parties. Does it mean that my work is no longer mine? Am I missing the point? Linda hill@ctelcom.net

Eric, I have been looking around for information on World War II just because it interests me. I have these web sites in my heart file and thought you might be interest in them. Sandra Mathis Gaither Brown County Indiana Sjg5911@aol.com <A HREF="http://www.euronet.nl/users/wilfried/ww2/second.htm"> WWII: The World at War other WW II sites</A> <A HREF="http://www.teleport.com/~jgriffin/">OM-IM Association</A> <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/dadswar/index.htm#milsites">Dad's War: Finding and Telling Your Father's ...</A> <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/troopship/index.htm">World War II Troop Ship Crossings</A>

When my email is received, Outlook Express automatically sorts my genealogy email to various folders: Names, Locations (cities, states, immigration), General, etc.  I am subscribed to almost 20 lists.  Before scanning over my messages, I sort them in subject order.  By doing this, I noticed that everyday I get two types of duplicate messages.  Mostly I get messages that someone posted to multiple groups (SCRoots,NCSCRoots, MarionSCRoots, etc.) That is just someone expecting to find information on a person in South Carolina.  However, occasionally, I receive exact duplicates of a message from the same group.  I found two causes for that.  One is that my isp server times out after a short while.  When I receive a large number of messages, the ISP times out and does not delete the received messages.  When I call back, I get a second copy of the same messages.  (Why it doesn't time out the second time is a mystery to me.) However, last week I did get duplicates from one or more listservers, but only one day.  This is not the norm.  I seldom get duplicates from the list, but it occurred about the time this thread began or shortly thereafter. If you are having problems, check with your ISP and let them monitor the situation for a while and they can tell you if the problem is theirs or the listservers. Hope this helps, Buck -----Original Message----- From: Elaine Maddox <elainetm@worldnet.att.net> To: GenTips-L@rootsweb.com <GenTips-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Wednesday, June 17, 1998 11:22 PM Subject: Re: Repeated messages >> Ref: Receipt more than once >> >> I have also received a number of messages doubled and even once or thice >> tripled. Have not taken the time to try to determine if there is any >> pattern to them or not. At this point they just seem to be randomly >> multiplied. >> >> Don Tate >> dtate@metrolink.net

Naming customs may depend on the ethnic group doing the naming. Some have very specific patterns that are usually followed (there are always some that don't follow tradition). When they get to the US, however, many times these naming customs die out in a generation or two. Just as now, there are names that tend to become popular, and then die out again. Some names tend to be very heavily regional. Some folks give their children the nickname version of the name, others give them the full name, then call them by the nickname. Just to give you an ethnic naming pattern, the one that was the typical pattern in Scotland: 1st son: dad's father 2nd son: mom's father 3rd son: dad, unless dad were named after his father. 1st daughter: mom's mother 2nd daughter: dad's mother 3rd daughter: mom While it isn't a 100% guarantee, it often gives good solid clues about the possible identity of the next generation back. Worth looking at--just in case. Usually, but not always, a second child in the family with the same name as an earlier child meant that the first child had died. Some families, especially Catholic German families, reused the same Saint's name as first name for all of their children and called their children by the middle name. Also, the German naming practice is quite similar to the Scots. A Czech researcher told me of a family that named all their boys "Johan Friedrich". The when the Austrian emperor's recruiter came along asking to draft Johan Friedrich, they said quite honestly: "Johan Friedrich is already in the army," thus diverting attention from the rest of their sons named Johan Friedrich. Learn your family's ethnic background & find out the naming customs. Look at known family members to look for naming trends. (Some do a lot of naming for other relatives.) Look at their religion and check out typical naming customs if any. Then look around the neighborhood--check out the census, to see what folks are naming their kids. Some names that show up a lot in New England rarely show up in the South, for example, during the same time period. Lastly, there are a few books out on names & naming customs. (Most name books are for naming babies, but even those will sometimes give you suggestions for nicknames for names so shouldn't be totally ruled out as a possible resource.) Names are fun & interesting. Good luck, Karen

I experience the same thing, can't something be done about it? Lois

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On three separate occasions I have received duplicates of messages. The duplication occurred with my own ISP. I also understand that recently Rootsweb had some problems, but I did not experience duplicates at that time. Good luck. Elaine Don Tate wrote: > Ref: Receipt more than once > > I have also received a number of messages doubled and even once or thice > tripled. Have not taken the time to try to determine if there is any > pattern to them or not. At this point they just seem to be randomly > multiplied. > > Don Tate > dtate@metrolink.net > >

Thanks to everyone who sent information on how to deal with unsolicited mail. I Promise I copied it all off this time! Thanks again! Shirley