...and I'm my own granpa! just kidding, this could get very confusing, but I have learned something I did not know. Thank you Marcia Moore Collins http://www.angelfire.com/ks/windshipgenhelp/ -----Original Message----- From: D. Christian <daledana@flash.net> To: GenTips-L@rootsweb.com <GenTips-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Thursday, June 18, 1998 9:47 AM Subject: Re: NAMES..AREA'S OR ERA? >Imagine living in an era of high mortality when people traditionally named children to honor relatives. In Norway, there >were some frequently used names such as Ole and Lars. Now if Ole Larsen married Anna Larsdatter, they could have 2 sons >named Lars Olsen , one to honor each grandfather. They would probably have a son named Ole Olsen, to honor the dad. If >Ole had a brother named Lars Larsen, they could have a son named Lars Olsen, to honor the uncle. If Ole died and Anna >married a man named Lars, they would have a son named Ole Larsen (to honor the dead first husband) and one name Lars >Larsen (to honor the father)! Anna's sons would be Lars Olsen, Lars Olsen, Ole Olsen, Ole Larsen and Lars Larsen!!! >(Worst case scenario). > >Dana > > > >==== GenTips Mailing List ==== >To contact the GenTips list owner, use converse@alltel.net > > > > >

Well folks, at the risk of asking a dumb question, IF you submit a GEDCOM to LDS, Does this, or does this not then allow for them to be baptized or sealed? into the Mormon church. now, the reason I ask this is..I found an ancestral file via the LSD church. There is a date of Baptism into the Church, and the name of the submitted. I have made contact with the submittor, she is NOT Mormon, and had no idea how the sealed, baptized thing happened. ( the ancestor was a Baptist minister) While I am not unduly upset by this, and I do not want this to be a religious debate, the question remains? Who decides when or if a group of ancestors become sealed into the Mormon Church? Marcia -----Original Message----- From: Dolly Ziegler <dsz@mail.bcpl.lib.md.us> To: GenTips-L@rootsweb.com <GenTips-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Thursday, June 18, 1998 9:35 AM Subject: Ancestral File (was: Re: FTM vs. Copyright) >Hello to Linda and the list. Linda, you have hit a hot button with me. >Allow me to orate from the soapbox for a minute. I do not like the idea >of turning my research over to a company that is going to package it and >sell it.

I agree that it's absolutely wonderful when folks share and help each other just because they're kind & generous folk. I've had several people go to a lot of trouble copying and mailing me information, some which wasn't even requested!! How thoughtful! . Not one person mentioned fees-before or after. Even so, I make it a point to send them at least enough to cover postage and copying costs (I figure 10 cents a copy) maybe a little to spare. I don't have of lot of money to throw around but I think it's only fair. After all, if they're kind enough to help you out they're probably helping others, as well. A little good will goes a long way. Of course, that's just my opinion. Linda

Marcia, I've had great success getting the forms when I've written a letter. However, there's now a way to request them by E-mail. Ther following is a copy of an article I wrote and published in the Genealogy Forum on AOL. GFS Karen there gave me the tip. I hope this is of use to everyone on the list who is looking for forms to order record copies from the National Archives (NARA). You can now order forms from the National Archives via E-mail. Yes, you can now order the Request forms that you need for obtaining information from the National Archives. George Morgan ****************************************************************** You may submit a request for up to 10 of each of the forms listed below. Here's how to do it: To order Request forms 1. Address your E-mail to inquire@arch2.nara.gov 2. Put the word "form" in the subject line of your E-mail * 3. In the text of your message, include your mailing address (Not an E-mail address) 4. Indicate the number of the forms from the following list: - GIL #7 (brochure for Military Service Records) - Form 80 (Military service and pension records prior to WW1, including the Revolutionary War, the War of 1812 , the U.S. Civil War, and the Spanish American War ) - Form 81 (Passenger Arrivals) - Form 82 (Copies of Census Records) - Form 83 (Eastern Cherokee Applications) - Form 180 (Military service records World War I and later) 5. Indicate the quantity you wish to receive of each form. * Requests which do not contain the word "form" in the subject line get routed differently and take more time to process. GFS Karen [here] in the Genealogy Forum ordered forms via E-mail on a Saturday and received them the following Tuesday. Each form contains detailed instructions for completion. You have a variety of payment options for the search and for the copying of records. What a great way to order these forms! ****************************************************************** marcia collins wrote: > > I have twice sent for the from 80 I need to order the civil war records I am > interested in. It has been at least 5 weeks since I received verification > that I had ordered the forms, The letter stated they would be mailed within > 3 business days. I still have not received them. Has anyone else had > problems getting these form? > > Thank you > Marcia Moore Collins > http://www.angelfire.com/ks/windshipgenhelp/ > > ==== GenTips Mailing List ==== > To contact the GenTips list owner, use converse@alltel.net

Marcia, Your point is well made. I, too, have used a researcher in Salt Lake with great success. Without the information provided by him I wouldn't be where I am in my search. I wish you well in your family search. Elaine marcia collins wrote: > Hello all, > The help I have received from this list is immeasurable, I have met some of > the kindest, and wittiest people here. I enjoy it immensely.! > > I have been able to knock down HUGE brick walls with y'alls help. I don't > know how I can ever thank you enough.... > > However, I have now come to the place where It is in my best interest to > have a professional help me. <snip>

There are two ways to submit data to the LDS Family History Center. One is to submit a GEDCOM to Ancestral File which goes just to Ancestral File...where others can access it. While you & I can't purchase it (at least right now) for home use, AF CDRoms can be purchased by libraries as well as the FHC. (Our local library has it.) Anybody can access the data, and some may use it for eventual temple work--or it may have had the temple work done from another source. The other way to send it is to send it specifically for temple work...where it eventually ends up on the IGI. Generally only members send for temple work, it's a different process to prepare a GEDCOM for that, although I've known a couple of folks who haven't been members who insisted that they wanted their people listed on the IGI, whatever the religious significance to those who believed. Karen

The Form 80 form can be obtained through email at this site. I have never tried obtaining the form, but believe others have been successful. Good luck. http://www.outfitters.com/illinois/history/civil/natf.html George Basden wrote: > Marcia: if you want to e-mail me privately, I will provide you with my > snail mail address. Just send me a self addressed business size letter and > I will mail you a copy. I can get one from work. > > George > gebasden@worldnet.att.net > http://www.basden.com > > ---------- > > From: marcia collins <mcollins@sfths.sft434.k12.ks.us> > > To: GenTips-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: form 80 military records > > Date: Thursday, June 18, 1998 1:19 PM > > > > I have twice sent for the from 80 I need to order the civil war records I > am > > interested in. It has been at least 5 weeks since I received verification > > that I had ordered the forms, The letter stated they would be mailed > within > > 3 business days. I still have not received them. Has anyone else had > > problems getting these form? > > > > Thank you > > Marcia Moore Collins > > http://www.angelfire.com/ks/windshipgenhelp/ > > > > > > ==== GenTips Mailing List ==== > > To contact the GenTips list owner, use converse@alltel.net > > > > > > > > ==== GenTips Mailing List ==== > Support online research! Donate to the RootsWeb Genealogical Project! See more information at: > http://www.rootsweb.com

I used the e-mail address and it only took a week or so to receive the forms. I think you can ask for maybe 5 at a time. Ken Coolidge

Date: 6/18/98 From: Skirby6119@aol.com Does anyone recall back in February or March seeing a note about the "Homespun Cookbook" which was being sold to assist one of the gen webs? I forgot to save the address and I have not received the book yet? I am thinking it was supposed to come out about now. Have I been had?

Date: 6/18/98 From: SKirby6119@aol.com A few there were a number of articles about Ellis Island and immigration which I found most informative and enjoyable. Thank you to the writers. I am trying to find out about immigration before about 1810. I know the shipping companies owned the passenger lists and many of them have been destroyed. Did the persons coming off the ships have to make any declarations here or register in any way? Or did they just get off and walk away? Did towns on the coasts require any kind of town registration? I am interested in anything about this; most of the ancestors I have seem to have com prior to 1810 and, of course, I would like to find out wwhere and when they came. Celai

Barb it is fun to help people. I know someone who is getting paid for helping and they want others to do the work. Even worst than that, they are giving a good sounding report, but it is not accurate. When the person attempted to get me to help them and I discovered what they were doing, I just stop helping that person. I just hope that person caught on. \o/ \o/ \o/ ---TRHALSTEAD@aol.com wrote: > > Hi Everyone: > > Just a comment about Barb Thomas being billed for receiving help. > If the person or persons sending out something expects pay for it, > that should be stated before sending it out. > > This, to me, is one of the big enjoyments of this, and that is to > share things with each other, without cost. I have received help > on email and smail, and money was not mentioned. > > Helping each other comes from the heart, not the billfold. I, too, > am retired, but if I can't afford to take part in helping and receiving, > then I will get off line. Free help is worth more than what the > cost could be. > > I am looking for help on the following names in West Virginia: > > Halstead > Taylor > Adkins > Atkins > Radford > > I have over 3500 names and will share. > Someone sent me a download a few months ago, and I damaged > it trying to download it. Now I have learnt how to do it, and would > like for that person to send it to me again. I even messed up the > person that sent it to me. > > Barb, HANG IN THERE!!! > > Ted Halstead > > > ==== GenTips Mailing List ==== > Support online research! Donate to the RootsWeb Genealogical Project! See more information at: > http://www.rootsweb.com > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

Linda: here is my opinion. If I give my info to FTM (which I have done) without compensation, then I can freely provide it to another individual. I have given my info to about 12 newly discovered cousins this year. I do not have a problem with providing them my info and they in turn using it to put on CDs and selling it to other researchers. In fact, a couple of cousins have "discovered" me because of that. George gebasden@worldnet.att.net http://www.basden.com ---------- > From: Linda <hill@ctelcom.net> > To: GenTips-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: FTM vs. Copyright > Date: Thursday, June 18, 1998 8:53 AM > > I would like my fellow genealogist advice. I have FTM 4.0, I have > researched (8) brarnches of my family line, witch include a little over > 6,000 names and documents in my database. As you know this is a lot of > time, work and expense. > My FTM program keeps asking me to submit my work. However, I have noticed, > that if I do submit to them, they claim the copyright to what I submitted. > At this point I can't bring myself to give up the copyright to years of > expensive, hard work. I fell like their going to put my work on a disk and > sell it to others. When I would gladly give copies of my work to interested > parties. > Does it mean that my work is no longer mine? > Am I missing the point? > Linda hill@ctelcom.net > > > ==== GenTips Mailing List ==== > To contact the GenTips list owner, use converse@alltel.net > > >

I ve got one for you. My g.g.grandfather and his 2nd wife named their first daughter Laura. The name of his 1st wife,my g.g.grandmother. OTEE

Imagine living in an era of high mortality when people traditionally named children to honor relatives. In Norway, there were some frequently used names such as Ole and Lars. Now if Ole Larsen married Anna Larsdatter, they could have 2 sons named Lars Olsen , one to honor each grandfather. They would probably have a son named Ole Olsen, to honor the dad. If Ole had a brother named Lars Larsen, they could have a son named Lars Olsen, to honor the uncle. If Ole died and Anna married a man named Lars, they would have a son named Ole Larsen (to honor the dead first husband) and one name Lars Larsen (to honor the father)! Anna's sons would be Lars Olsen, Lars Olsen, Ole Olsen, Ole Larsen and Lars Larsen!!! (Worst case scenario). Dana

Hello, LCranston. In my (humble) opinion, Julia Case and Myra Gormley are widely respected researchers, completely on the up-and-up. I also am a subscriber to their excellent newsletter "Missing Links." I am looking forward to reading "RootsWeb Review." Their message does say (2nd paragraph) that recipients' addresses came from RootsWeb or from "Missing Links." As to whether they erred in sending "RootsWeb Review" out without asking first, I reckon I reserve comment. But I'm glad to have it. Cheers, Dolly in Maryland On Thu, 18 Jun 1998, theshadow wrote: > Hi Folks, > Did anyone else get this msg. along with a 10 pg. block of info > from these folks? I know I could just "unsubscribe", but am leery of > sending out my address to just anyone who somehow or another has > access to my address and appears to be using it to promote information > I may or may not want. This is quite a bit of info generated into > mailboxes without prior approval of the recipents---and, you have to > "unsubscribe". If you do nothing, you will continue to receive this > info. Not sure I like this, but haven't quite decided why not yet. > What's your opinion? > LCranston > > ROOTSWEB REVIEW: Genealogical Data Cooperative Weekly News > Vol. 1, No. 1, 17 June 1998 > Copyright (c) 1998 RootsWeb Genealogical Data Cooperative > > Editors: Julia M. Case and Myra Vanderpool Gormley, CG > > This is the premier issue of the RootsWeb Review, a weekly e-zine > with news about RootsWeb happenings, new mailing lists and Web > sites, a continuing tutorial on using RootsWeb's resources, > monthly statistics, news from major hosted activities such as > USGenWeb, USGenWeb Archives, WorldGenWeb, and Cyndi's List, > schedules for IIGS/RootsWeb IRC, and other information of > interest to RootsWeb users and the genealogical community. > > The initial list of subscribers consists of those we know have > used RootsWeb or are subscribers to "Missing Links," which has > just moved to RootsWeb. To continue to receive RootsWeb Review, > do nothing. However, if you would prefer not to receive future > issues of RootsWeb Review, just send a message to > > RootsWeb-Review-L-request@rootsweb.com > > and put the word "unsubscribe" (omit the quotation marks) in the > subject line and in the body of the message. Please remember to > turn off your signature file before sending the message.

Marcia: if you want to e-mail me privately, I will provide you with my snail mail address. Just send me a self addressed business size letter and I will mail you a copy. I can get one from work. George gebasden@worldnet.att.net http://www.basden.com ---------- > From: marcia collins <mcollins@sfths.sft434.k12.ks.us> > To: GenTips-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: form 80 military records > Date: Thursday, June 18, 1998 1:19 PM > > I have twice sent for the from 80 I need to order the civil war records I am > interested in. It has been at least 5 weeks since I received verification > that I had ordered the forms, The letter stated they would be mailed within > 3 business days. I still have not received them. Has anyone else had > problems getting these form? > > Thank you > Marcia Moore Collins > http://www.angelfire.com/ks/windshipgenhelp/ > > > ==== GenTips Mailing List ==== > To contact the GenTips list owner, use converse@alltel.net > > >

Hello to Linda and the list. Linda, you have hit a hot button with me. Allow me to orate from the soapbox for a minute. I do not like the idea of turning my research over to a company that is going to package it and sell it. (I know some people don't agree with that view. That is their right.) I am going to submit my research to the Ancestral File of the LDS Church. No cost except the disk and postage to send it in, and they will make it available FREE to anyone researching at any Family History Center-- more than 2800 FHCs last I heard. That's pretty widely available! And no, I'm not Mormon. But I have benefited for many years from the facilities of the Family History Centers and the research of others. There is a four-page leaflet with detailed instructions for submitting a GEDCOM to Ancestral File. Cheers, Dolly in Maryland On Thu, 18 Jun 1998, Linda wrote: > I would like my fellow genealogist advice. I have FTM 4.0, I have > researched (8) brarnches of my family line, witch include a little over > 6,000 names and documents in my database. As you know this is a lot of > time, work and expense. > My FTM program keeps asking me to submit my work. However, I have noticed, > that if I do submit to them, they claim the copyright to what I submitted. > At this point I can't bring myself to give up the copyright to years of > expensive, hard work. I fell like their going to put my work on a disk and > sell it to others. When I would gladly give copies of my work to interested > parties. > Does it mean that my work is no longer mine? > Am I missing the point? > Linda hill@ctelcom.net

My understanding of this is that Mormon's "seal" their families together for eternity. I came across some of my family in the IGI that were sealed by a Mormon relative back in the 1960's, even though they weren't of the Mormon faith. It sort of made me mad because I thought this very presumptuous of that relative to include families in their faith practice who might not and probably did not want that done. I sure don't want it done with me because (without getting into a religious debate here) I don't believe in this doctrine. --------------------------------------------------------- >My mother seemed to think that the Mormons believed that they >could pray dead relatives into heaven, and that's why they put all of their >relatives in the IGI even the ones that were not Mormon. I don't know if this >is right, but it seems logical to me that if you are a Mormon, and you are >putting together your family tree, you would list all of your relatives. Even >the Baptists and Lutherans, or else they would have big gaps in their family

Does anyone out there know of a cookbook/genealogy program, I read about one in a book, but have not been able to locate any one that knows the name of a program or where I could obtain one. Here's hoping that someone out there knows where I can obtain one. Thanks, Lynda McCARN BREEDING

Is it possible to get the email address of the family that contributes to the World Family Tree Project? or telephone number? I have found several sources of possible links with my line but I only have the post office address of the contributors and that is a slow process. Thanks! Lee